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Internet Accessible Home Security Systems?

PenguinRadio asks: "I'm about to embark on trip and while the thousands of dollars of computers are protected by a PIX firewall and whatnot from viruses, I'm now kind of wondering about the physical security of my 'server room' that I've built in my house. Basically, an Internet accessible burglar/fire alarm. Has anyone found a good residential security system that can be remotely checked or monitored from the other side of the world? I'd especially like the capability of look in on any security cameras (rather than setting up a simple webcam) and monitor any alarm logs. ADT and Brinks didn't seem to have anything readily visible on their website, and I'm not quite up for an X-10 version of a security system."

54 comments

  1. Why not webcams again? by Tom7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Webcams are usually better quality and cheaper than "security" cameras. They both just take pictures; what's wrong with using them?

    1. Re:Why not webcams again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're talking out of your ass. Webcams are cheap plastic toys with plastic lenses, with plastic bodies mostly optimized for a 'look'. A real security camera works outdoors, has an auto iris, a C-mount, a metal body, several power supply options, standard lens mounts so can change them for a particular field of view, standard camera filters can be used on them and a warranty.
      Unless you want to entrust the security of your house to a 5$ made in China made-from-reject-parts dollar store special, that is.

    2. Re:Why not webcams again? by dbirchall · · Score: 1
      Throw in "pan, tilt and zoom" for most network-capable security cameras nowadays. Oh, and a built-in webserver, and live video through a Java applet, and... :)

      I'm thinking of Axis and comparable netcams.

    3. Re:Why not webcams again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I hope you're glad you paid a lot for those, then.

    4. Re:Why not webcams again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always have to laugh at people who gloat to themselves about a perceived economy. Usually, they change their outlook after their first break-in. It's just too bad that human nature is such that it takes a big wake-up call to get people to realize their smugness is counter-productive. Are you insured, BTW?
      Oh, and did you know that webcams are easily blinded by a handful of high power LEDs? Now you're gonna need a good IR filter on that camera. Oh wait, that 35$ BenQ special doesn't let you do that?

    5. Re:Why not webcams again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they aren't better.

      They can't handle low light

      Webcams are CMOS based and can't "see in the dark" (they aren't sensitive to Infra Red so illumination is pointless).

      Security Cameras on the other hand are based on CCD's (charge coupled devices) which are IR sensitive. Throw around a few banks of IR LED's and you can see in any conditions

      Weather-proofing etc

      Other people have spoken about this, but consider. If you want to place a webcam outside (and for security applications you definitely do - you want to see people before they get inside), you're going to have to find some weatherproof housing and mounting for it. Once you've done that (and figured out how to get rid of the waste heat from the electronics while keeping the moisture and direct sunlight out), you might as well spend $100 or so on the real thing.

      Data transfer

      Face it. All webcams these days use USB, and USB is *not* a suitable transport. You're limited in how long your cables can be without hubs acting as repeaters (about 5 meters) so you'll be putting hubs in all sorts of funny places along with their wall warts (like in the ceiling)

      Second the amount of data from your camera will swamp the poor USB bus once you put more than a couple of cameras on it. Unless you accept quite slow frame rates.

      Analog video really has the edge in this sort of appliction. You can transmit bucketloads of data very easily on video cable. Far more than you can actually capture at any one time. Each of your cameras can transmit at full speed and you can select which one to look at.

      Which brings me to the next thing

      Motion detection

      Security camera setups allow you to use cameras that include motion detectors, so that the cameras drive the view selection, while maintaining high frame rates.

      High quality lenses, auto-focus, etc,etc

      If you need 'em, security cameras have all sorts of options - interchangable lenses so you can tailor the field of view, focusing rings etc. Reproducing all this in software is going to take you a long time, and cost you a fair bit on the hardware side to run it. (Although if you're interested Philip Coombes has a linux based image capture and analysis package aimed at home security at http://www.zoneminder.com. It's pretty good and works with a wide variety of cameras - even webcams ;-))

      Having said all that, current security cameras are broken-by-design in a digital world. They have a digital image capture device (the CCD itself), but then convert that to analog video to put it on the cable, and then you need a multi-channel video capture card to get it back to digital so you can put it on a hard disk (or do motion analysis on it)

      This situation seems to be a result of historical accident - the security industry started with analog technology and have continued.

      However, I fear that if they were to go digital they'd use USB (and here I might be tempted to start an anti-USB rant - the most broken excuse for a serial communications technology ever invented - but I won't)

  2. Why not X10? by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 4, Funny

    At least if nothing's happening while you're gone, you can scope the scantily clad chicks with the hidden "security" cameras :).

    1. Re:Why not X10? by Seek_1 · · Score: 1

      While the X10 cameras might do what the poster (and myself) are looking for, it'll be a *Very* cold day before I support a company that uses/used popup/under by buying their products.

    2. Re:Why not X10? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      That's for sure- and the camera alone wouldn't do it anyway, you'd need a bunch of powerflash modules connected to standard security sensors to turn on and off the cameras.

      My "Why Not X10" question is, Why Not an A10 Sexurity System with a CM-10 connected to MisterHouse (Linux) or HomeSeer (Windows)? Both of these are incredibly easy to set up, include webservers, so punch a hole in your firewall, and go. Both ADT and Brinks offer A10 (X10 with reporting NOT done by X10 "company", that's just the protocol used for the Power Line Control of the sensors and security system) interfaces to their standard security systems that can report over powerline to your server. If you really want to, you can even assign a different computer than your server to be the X10 monitoring device, and write PHP to mirror the X10 webserver behind the firewall.

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  3. Whippee! by BortQ · · Score: 3, Interesting
    While it might be cool to have, I don't really see how it would be helpful. What could you do if you logged in and saw something amiss?

    A burglar alarm that alerts the police or a security company would seem to offer better protection. And it would be hack-proof (unless you can get the ability to patch your internet-accessible system remotely).

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    1. Re:Whippee! by Nasarius · · Score: 1
      (unless you can get the ability to patch your internet-accessible system remotely).

      Um, sure. It's called ssh, best friend of Unix admins everywhere.

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    2. Re:Whippee! by BortQ · · Score: 1

      Yes, ssh can get you into the box, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you will be able to patch some jury-rigged system you have set up.

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    3. Re:Whippee! by netringer · · Score: 3, Insightful
      What could you do if you logged in and saw something amiss? A burglar alarm that alerts the police or a security company would seem to offer better protection
      Erm....You could call the police, which is what the security company would do.
      You could then call a trusted neighbor or relative to check out your place (also what the security company does.)
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    4. Re:Whippee! by Nasarius · · Score: 1
      Yes, ssh can get you into the box, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you will be able to patch some jury-rigged system you have set up.

      Well, you can do pretty much anything you could as if you were sitting down at the computer. I don't see how patching or shutting off such a system would be any more difficult, unless you were very stupid in designing it.

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    5. Re:Whippee! by Dark+Nexus · · Score: 1

      "Oh, I spotted a blind spot!"

      When you're sitting at the computer, you can get up, walk over to the camera and re-position it.

      SSH only helps for software maintenance, not hardware.

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    6. Re:Whippee! by Nasarius · · Score: 1

      Of course. I thought software-only was implied with the word "patching".

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    7. Re:Whippee! by Dark+Nexus · · Score: 1

      The term can also be applied to wiring.

      Or, slightly off topic, anything made of fabric.

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    8. Re:Whippee! by zero_offset · · Score: 1

      A burglar alarm that alerts the police or a security company would seem to offer better protection.

      In virtually everywhere in the US, it is illegal to operate a security system which automatically contacts the police or other emergency services. In some places the fine can be quite large.

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    9. Re:Whippee! by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      An option might be to have one of the alarm sensors hooked up to your computer system. Or some how share sensors with a standard alarm. By attaching a sensor to the computers you could allow your computer to set off the alarm. Or by having the computer to share the sensors with the alarm you could have some automation functions that the alarm system lacks. Like turning on a light near the sensor that was tripped and activationg a video recorder.

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    10. Re:Whippee! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In virtually everywhere in the US, it is illegal to operate a security system which automatically contacts the police or other emergency services. In some places the fine can be quite large.

      Really? That's strange. I can understand a fine for false alarms, but that is a strange policy.

      My city gives you one freebie, after that they charge $500 per false alarm.

      My house alarm is hooked up to the alarm company and they dispatch the police automatically.

      The chemistry department where I work is hooked in directly to the city fire department. They respond very rapidly (usually less than 5 minutes) given the many hazardous materials in the building.

    11. Re:Whippee! by zero_offset · · Score: 1

      But it's the alarm company that dispatches the police, not the alarm doing it directly. I have a friend with very sophisticated home-built home automation, and he thought it would be great to have the alarm contact the police. It would fax images from every motion-triggered camera and placed a phone call with a pre-recorded message.

      The first time it went off they just gave him a warning (although they did respond, and they did catch the guy). At that time they explained that it's not legal to do this anywhere in the country. Now his system is monitored.

      A few years later I built a home-automation system and when I registered the alarm with the local cops (a requirement in our town, with a fee of course), the paperwork they gave me spelled it out, too.

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  4. PING! by Ieshan · · Score: 3, Funny

    Have one configured to ping a webserver you operate every 30 minutes?

    If someone steals it, it'll stop pinging right quick...

    1. Re:PING! by zorkmid · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually ping works pretty well. I have nagios monitoring my home servers from work (home servers monitor work servers as well). It's set to SMS my cell whenever anything goes wrong.

      A few months ago nagios zotted my cell with system unreachable message. Called home and my GF told me she'd unplugged the power strip to plug in her Synthesizer. She proclaimed me "scary creepy" for knowing what she'd done only moments after she'd yanked the cable.

    2. Re:PING! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If someone steals it, it'll stop pinging right quick...

      It's funny you say that. There was once a theft of many computers from my univeristy department. The time of the theft was determined by when the stolen computers' NFS shares stopped responding.

    3. Re:PING! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may also try a software solution such as Mercury's Sitescope or Siteseer products.

      It really depends on how much you want, but my previous employer used Sitescope to monitor our corporate web (plus our ordering) sites for traffic, availability, etc. That then tied into our Tivoli monitoring system that alerted our NOC.

  5. here you go! by XO · · Score: 4, Informative
    Linksys Wireless-B Internet Video Camera
    • Sends high-quality live video wirelessly to a Web browser anywhere in the world
    • Broadcasts over Wireless-B (802.11b) network or over 10/100Base-T Ethernet cable
    • Built-in stand-alone Web server for remote video viewing from anywhere
    • In security mode, it automatically e-mails an alert with images to your designated addresses
    • Supports up to four users simultaneously
    • Access the camera anywhere in the world via the Internet
    • Dimensions: 3.35x6.1x3.15" (8.5x15.5x8cm) (WHD)
    • Weight: 0.53 lbs. (0.24 kg)
    • Warranty: 1-year
    Specifications:
    • Ports: one 10/100 RJ-45 port, one power port
    • Control: one reset button
    • LEDs: ready, act/link, LAN, wireless
    • Security: user authentication & WEP encryption
    Minimum Requirements:
    • PC with 550MHz or faster processor
    • 64MB RAM memory
    • Microsoft Windows® Internet Explorer® 5.5 or higher for Web viewing and Web-based configuration
    • Cable/DSL connection for Internet viewing
    • CD-ROM drive
    • Windows® Media Player 7 or higher
    • Wired or wireless network adapter with TCP/IP protocol installed
    • Windows 98 SE, Me, 2000, XP
    What's in the Box:
    • Wireless-B Internet video camera
    • Setup CD-ROM with User Guide
    • Quick installation guide
    • Power adapter
    • Ethernet network cable
    • Camera desktop stand
    • Registration cards
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    1. Re:here you go! by sahala · · Score: 1
      Don't get this. It's a piece of junk. I bought this to keep an eye on the pets while at work. It has horrible stability issues and is really sensitive to heat (can't even put it above my fridge because it's too hot). Furthermore, to view the video stream you'll need Internet Explorer, as it uses an ActiveX plugin. It comes witha desktop app client which is functional but isn't great.

      The thing that irks me the most is that there is no way to grab a frame (jpg format, whatever), and there's no way to save the video stream without using the desktop app.

  6. ahoy! (needed a subject) by Hadlock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    as for the firewall bit, I just turn my computer off and unplug it from the wall while i'm gone for more than a day. no point in paying for electricity wasted.

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    1. Re:ahoy! (needed a subject) by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 2, Funny

      But you're wasting your precious uptime statistics.

      You can atone for your sins if you'll promise to put Slackware on an unused 486 box, leave it in the corner running, and report once in awhile what it's uptime had gotten to.

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    2. Re:ahoy! (needed a subject) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You can atone for your sins if you'll promise to put Slackware on an unused 486 box, leave it in the corner running, and report once in awhile what it's uptime had gotten to.

      Bah. A machine that's just left in the corner running isn't an impressive uptime. My company's Slackware web server, which gets a lot of traffic, is currently showing an uptime of 111 days. That's after it zeroed out after 497 days - so that's 608 days.

  7. avermedia linux pvr by adamshelley · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Re:avermedia linux pvr by adamshelley · · Score: 2, Informative

      oh yeah, and some cool stuff from here. You'd have to program it tho.

    2. Re:avermedia linux pvr by dhenne · · Score: 1

      Well I don't have the software yet but I have put together the items that could be used for monitoring a room.

      Take a look here

      www.Phidgets.com

  8. I'm happy to help out . . . by Mordant · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just give me your home address, and I'll be happy to swing by and check out^H^H^H ^H^H^H^H^H check on those thousands of dollars of servers and PIXes you have lying around. ;>

  9. motion by �berhund · · Score: 3, Informative

    The first thing that comes to mind is the "motion" project. It's a nice motion detection program for webcams. Saves drive space by only saving frames where something seems to be moving. You can also have it make movies of the motion frames, which makes it really easy to "check the logs".

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  10. Update messages by Tyreth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have the security system know everything is ok by sending regular update messages. This way you can send out an error when it detects an intrudor. However, if the intruder cuts off your internet somehow before they enter then you will still know something is wrong because you no longer receive regular update messages.

    Provides a small problem in blackouts though ;)

  11. oxymorons by ralphus · · Score: 1

    Military Intelligence Accurate Horoscope Jumbo Shrimp Hollow Point Ice Water ... Internet Accessible Security Systems

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    1. Re:oxymorons by zcat_NZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I used to have 6 'webcams' around my house, a little hardware circuit that would switch between them, and a script that constantly scanned them all and sent the images via my dialup connection back to a webserver. It managed to scan and upload all 6 cameras every 10 seconds, which was fast enough that it didn't miss much. Nobody ever broke in and stole my computer, but quite a few times I did phone home and tell the kids to stop bouncing on the couch, etc.

      That was all done with a P200 from a dumpster, a BT848 card and some cheap cameras I got off an auction site.. If you actually wanted to spend money you could probably do a lot better.

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    2. Re:oxymorons by Lordrashmi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Did your kids not call you dad, but instead called you "Brother"? Perhaps "Big Brother"? :-)

    3. Re:oxymorons by Nutria · · Score: 0

      Did your kids not call you dad, but instead called you "Brother"? Perhaps "Big Brother"? :-)

      But seriously, that is a parent's job....

      Now if the TV only had a little telnet daemon that would spit back what channel was being displayed at that moment, life would be good.

      A built-in, out-facing webcam would be great! "Bobby! Stop whacking off to Red Shoe Diaries and go to sleep!!".

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  12. Insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are worried about what might happen while you are out of town, you might as well just get whatever ADT/Brinks has to offer(motion sensors for each room, door/window sensors, a siren, and police contact) and get a decent home owners insurance policy.

  13. Oops. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first line of security is obfuscation...if they don't know what it is, where it is, and how much of it is there, it's that much harder for someone to target. You just wiped out your first line of defense by broadcasting the fact that you will be away from home for an extended period of time, and there is valuable equipment there without supervision. Also, a burglar will now know that you will possibly have automated alerting and video cameras in the house: so they'll wear a mask and cut the power before walking in. Great going, genius!

  14. and in addition by TheDarkRogue · · Score: 2, Funny

    go to home depot, lowes, what ever, get a bunch of peices of wood, and a shitload of nails. put the nails through the wood and make spike boards and put them under your ground level accessable windows, so that if they break in though a window, you'll fuck them up and slow them down abit if they try to make off with anything.

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    1. Re:and in addition by {8_8} · · Score: 1

      After doing that, be prepared for the burglar to sue you for the injuries you cause.

    2. Re:and in addition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only in the USA. 8-P

      What if I put up signs on all my windows that say, "Breaking and Entering will be hazardous to your health." Would I be able to do that, then?

    3. Re:and in addition by TheDarkRogue · · Score: 1

      Yea, it would be like a 'Wet Floor' sign in a hallway, if it's visible and noticable, there not responsible if you decided to walk accross it.

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    4. Re:and in addition by {8_8} · · Score: 1

      There was a US tort case involving some rather painful defenses along the lines of the parent post. In that case, I believe that the holding was regardless of how much warning you give a person, there is a point at which you're using unnecessary force and you're liable for injuries. See, for example, the Restatements of Tort Law here. Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule. Check the case law in your jurisdiction for what your liability would be.

  15. commercial solutions by 8up · · Score: 1

    check out http://www.polarisusa.com/ - they have a nice listing of internet monitoring solutions such as cameras with built in servers and such. My brother did the site for them as well :)

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  16. Build One. Don't Buy One. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As any 'physical security' expert will tell you, custom-built alarm and security systems are safer to use than factory-built systems.

    Factory-produced alarm systems, like it or not, will always have loopholes that professional hackers/criminals can discover. Shop service manuals, schematics, etc.

    Better, instead, to build your own system, entirely custom, using components available to you. Get a Mini-ITX box, set it up with its own power supplies/battery, USB camera's, and some judicious software, and you've got a cheap solution which is not so easy to intrude.

    Spy agencies have pretty much every alarm system shop manual in existence. Build your own, they have to go and look at it before they can work it out ...

  17. First Lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the best things you could do to increase your home security is to avoid advertising (on Slashdot) that you are leaving the house vacant.

  18. Monitoring Alarm System by timbos · · Score: 2, Informative
    My alarm system has the ability to add a remote kepad, which offers a display of the alarms status and the possibility of looking through the last 50 events.

    My plan is to hook the 4 lines (2 in/2 out) into the serial port of my server and then hack up some sort of program to send the required pulses back to the alarm system.
    It might not be a particularly pretty solution, but I think that it could be rather useful.

    Another possibility is using the control for the autodialler to get the network to warn me by email/SMS that it has been activated.

  19. Wording is important by rev.cpb · · Score: 1

    What you're looking for is an access control system (re: intruision detection etc).

    There is a basic kit I know of that's like 500 bucks cdn which should
    do the trick and more (re: access control, however I forget what its
    called).

    Problem is you can only get it through security system dealers.

    What's your budget? If you expanded it to the rest of your house you
    would probably be able to increase your budget efficiency.

    I work for an access control/integrated security company in Vancouver.
    I could be your channel for acquisition, the problem is installation.

    Where do you live? I could probably source out an access control
    installer in your area.

    At the least, if you are interested I could get a list of products and
    prices. So you have something to work off of.

  20. go1984 by Chilling_Silence · · Score: 1

    Why not use Go1984 - Wouldnt be without it! Ftp uploading of images taken, ICQ messaging when it detects movement. You can also set the movement threshold so you dont get alerted when the cat walks through the room, but do when anythin human does!

  21. Cut lines first by spleck · · Score: 1

    I've always wondered how often those systems are polled for OK status. If I were to find a house with an ADT sign out front, and I were to cut the phone line and then trip the mains, how much time do I have?