Mandrakesoft Launches New 'Move' LiveCD

joestar writes "Mandrakesoft has released the new version of Move, a Linux system on liveCD + USB key which handles configuration data and personal data. The new version is based on Mandrakelinux 10.0, comes with Linux 2.6, KDE 3.2 and OpenOffice.org 1.1. Mandrakesoft claims that with Move, 'Linux becomes a viable option to millions of first-time Linux users'. My experience with former Mandrakemove has been excellent, especially because it had everything I need for internet/multimedia/office, and because of the transparent USB key management. The new Move is available earlier for download for Mandrakeclub Members, and may be purchased as a pack."

Comments

Hmm

[Anonymous Coward]

Turn your convention gift bag into a portable linux system?

Better than Knoppix?

[Futurepower(R)]

I'll try this. The Knoppix CD is a little complicated to configure for flash memory access; it seemed that more could be done in software. I hope this one is easier.

A CD like this is essential when using cyber cafes in poor countries especially. Booting from the CD eliminates one vulnerability to spying.

--
When Saudis attack, invade Iraq?

Re:Better than Knoppix?

[sandyb]

I fell they tried to squeez a little to much into knoppix.

But it is a little more "open" than Mandrake. Although "Move" with M/stick is very nice.

Locking people out of your knoweledge base who are not "Financial Members" is not a good marketing move, perhaps Mandrake will positively resolve this soon.

How long I wonder untill M/S enter this field?

S.

Re:Better than Knoppix?

[yahwotqa]

I've had only good experience with previous Mandrake Move livecds. It JustWorks(tm) and choice of software is quite useful.

Re:Better than Knoppix?

[sepluv]

I agree with the sentiments, but I cannot get the (old) version of Move working on all the PCs I've tried it on at all. Even if you can get it working you'll probs want to stick with Knoppix or a derivative of that (e.g.: Morphix, home-grown) as it is rock solid and has better software on it.

OT: When is a full downloadable Knoppix DVD-version Iso9660 file coming out (with, like, probs all of Debian free)? That would rock.

OT: I think it would be really useful to have something in-between Knoppix and Debian proper (sharing code from both) which you could put on a writable removable storage device (e.g.: USB mass-storage-device HDD) and would be a full Debian OS (preferably actually an option when installing Debian proper and developed by the Debian project) which you can change all the config/installed progs for, but that also changes all hardware-dependent settings on startup (in the OS and any installed software) using hardware-detection routines. Obviously this could not really be used across major architectures (e.g.: i386) so you would not be able to run the same OS install on a Mac and then a PC--that would be asking too much and is probably practically impossible (but we can dream). I don't know how difficult this would be, but I'd imagine not too so as the hardware autodection routines from Knoppix could probs be canabilised. This could be a real USP (if another is needed) of GNU over MSW--carry your entire OS with you everywhere you go--its like having a laptop but without the practical (and finiancial) difficulties they tend to carry with them.

Re:Better than Knoppix?

[sepluv]

>>How long I wonder untill M/S enter this field? They would have to re-design MSW totally from scratch ,because it is so badly organised & designed internally that it has to be run off re-writable media and usually an installation will not work on different (even minor) hardware setups.

Re:Better than Knoppix?

[sepluv]

Woops!

>>How long I wonder untill M/S enter this field?

They would have to re-design MSW totally from scratch, because it is so badly organised & designed internally that it has to be run off re-writable media (it writes everything to disk all the time) and usually an installation will not work on different (even minor) hardware setups.

Re:Better than Knoppix?

[Anonymous Coward]

uh, PE Environment?

Re:Better than Knoppix?

[sandyb]

uh, PE Environment? [Q]

That's a beginning but, currently you must be a m/s licensed person to legally use said, and it is only a PRE.

As opposed to a fully fleged general use, portable stick, disk, go deal.

S.

Re:Better than Knoppix?

[sandyb]

They would have to re-design MSW totally from scratch, because it is so badly organised & designed internally that it has to be run off re-writable media (it writes everything to disk all the time) and
Ect [Q]

Joe,

At the end of the day, that is what M/S need's.

Hence could end up being a very good thing for M/S and the world.

Don't let them see this thread they'll come get us.

S.

Re:Better than Knoppix?

[sepluv]

>>Don't let them see this thread they'll come get us.

Umm...actually...probably not, as we are giving them good ideas for how to increase their profits by giving them a USP for their products. Aaaaghhh....let's hope they don't read /. ;-)

Firefox package not included

[scupper]

I notice that Mozilla Firefox is not included with this release or earlier versions of Move. Are more Linux distros going to include Firefox after v1.0's release?

What is needed: Customized Live CD

[mobiusjava]

I am Mandrake Club Member and love their product. I have demonstrated Linux to many of my friends and colleagues by distributing the Mandrake Move cd. For myself, however, I have found that to make the Move distribution more powerful, what I really need is the live cd and a very very large USB key (> 512 megs) for development tools and FireFox. I know the idea of these live Linux distros is to try and get people to use Linux and do so on any computer, but what I need is very specialized. I would like to be able to take with me only the bits and pieces I need. For now, the only other alternative is to use the Live CD (for booting with Linux), a USB key for storing your home directory and editable files, and another cd for your tools (if the key isn't large enough). Wouldn't it make more sense for these vendors to provide some kind of program fo customizing the Live CD so it contains only the things you need rather than the tools THEY think you need?

Re: Knoppix DVD

[kundor]

You can get DVDs of Knoppix 3.4 here: ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/knoppix-remaste red/
(It's german, so you may want to boot with lang=us)

However, I don't think any DVDs of 3.6 are available.

Re: Knoppix DVD

[sepluv]

Thanks a lot! I'll download that when I get my own PC set up.(Browsing from Lynx on public Uni terminal now--Uni cannot set up XWindows or Mozilla correctly.)

Re: Knoppix DVD

[sandyb]

Joe and others,

Would it not Be possible to partition a dvd. having a boot section and a r/rw section.

Backup data have 2nd copy disk. like having 2 laptops.

You folk, and the Japanese get the new toys before us, any terminals booting from flash drive on usb yet?

That must happen, and change all the rules again.

S.

Re: Knoppix DVD

[sepluv]

>>Would it not Be possible to partition a dvd. having a boot section and a r/rw section.>any terminals booting from flash drive on usb yet? Yes. All recent BIOSes & PCs do that where I am (UK). I've done that--you don't even need a recent one becuase you can boot a kernel from a floppy 1st. The trouble is there is no OS that I know of that you can chage all the OS settings for on the fly (after compiling) (i.e. is not Knoppix)and that runs hardware autodetection (like Knoppix) when it boots. I am suggesting the creation of one whichcould be also be booted from USB memory stick or HDD.

Re:What is needed: Customized Live CD

[kundor]

There are tools to do just that, mostly for making customized versions of knoppix.

Check out http://www.knoppix-std.org/docs/customize.html or any google results for "customize knoppix."

Btw, I use konqueror for all my browsing. Is firefox REALLY necessary? ;-)

Re: Knoppix DVD

[sandyb]

Joe,

Booting straight from stick with Knoppix/Knoppix
like O/s and a r/rw partition would be the way to go, especially for the budget consiuos student.

Backup habits would need to be observed.
The advantages for youth, and the financially disadvantaged are phenomenal.

A born in England Kiwi and a U.K National discussing Tech on a U.S site.

Where the evil ones will steal our Ideas. Maybe Globaliseation does work.

S.

Re: Knoppix DVD

[sepluv]

I think you can do this ATM quite easily. I cannot test it because the USB connector has broken on my drive--I may have to solder it back together.

Also, I would have to remaster Knoppix because it would not fit on my drive--I do have an FSF membership card somewhere though that has a very small Live GNU distro on it.

Re: Knoppix DVD

[sandyb]

joe,

I'm watching/listening there are some 1GB F/d on an ebay equavilent here at the moment not cheap but @150-00 Pounds very rough currency conversion.

If it is not to hard to do and no one else has released it you, could release it under the same lisences as the private Knoppix mods/Clones (Cant remember the name of licence) like cluster Knoppix.

But the catch must be if the pc will boot usb yes?

Using a floppy still gives 2 pices to carry.

S.

Re: Knoppix DVD

[sepluv]

If "1GB F/d" means "1GB floppy disk drive", this is not needed as you can use a Knoppix boot floppy or Smart Boot Manager (a boot mamager that fits into the first sector of a hard or floppy disk) to boot the hard drive if the PC does not boot from USB.

Re: Knoppix DVD

[sandyb]

Joe,

F/D Flash disk, our terminology for memory stick. usb stick.

My bad f/d also floppy, past my bed time not thinking.

S.

Re:What is needed: Customized Live CD

[mobiusjava]

I would say that FireFox is a necessity. I have to design and test with FireFox since it is the browser my clients will be using. I am designing front-ends with XUL and therefore it is VERY necessary. Konqueror is fine for normal browsing, but I definitely think FireFox is worth it. Thanks for the note about the tools. I'll definitely check into them. Cheers.

Re: Knoppix DVD

[sepluv]

Better than a Flash drive would be a portable USB HDD. I have a (designed-for-potability) LaCie 160 GB USB HDD and LaCie do them up to 1TB (but most peeps don't need to carry around *that* much data).

You could adapt your OS to work, or, better still, thanks to the power of Google, I have found that MandrakeSoft sell a ready-made package including LaCie 40 GB drive with a modified Mandrake 10 installed, manual, support, &c called a Globetrotter

Globetrotter

[sepluv]

Here's the /. story.

Re:Globetrotter

[sandyb]

Joe,

Both the usb drive options are good but there can be issues with power supply via USB.

Also this starts to get big again.1 nice little (Size) f/D over 1 GB, done.

no disk, cabeles, hang it round your neck, gone.

Have you seen the watch versions?

S.