Shorthand-Aided Rapid Keyboarding

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Shorthand-Aided Rapid Keyboarding

Posted by michael on Thursday October 28, 2004 @02:59AM from the two-finger dept.

An anonymous reader writes "IBM's famous reseach lab for nanotechnology, micoelectronics and exotic science, Almaden Research Center, has released an advanced, efficient, pen-based text input method for mobile computing, that allows you to trace letters on the keyboard to enter a word rather than typing each letter individually. The new technology provides a more fluid, smooth, and natural interaction (see demo ) than tapping on stylus keyboards."

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I would have to try it to know if I would like it. by Anonymous Coward · 2004-10-28 03:07 · Score: 0

but I have to say it looks rather good.
Need to learn to write another language by pipingguy · 2004-10-28 03:14 · Score: 3, Informative

With an acronym like SHARK, it's got to be good!

Also, words like, "mnemonic", "sokgraph", "algorithms" and "morphed" guarantee a high geek-Q.

Unfortunately, another geek/teen-popular word is "random".
Re:I would have to try it to know if I would like by jorenko · 2004-10-28 03:19 · Score: 4, Insightful

Agreed. But no matter how much I do like it it's bound to be better than the current system most PDAs use.

I can't see myself memorizing too many words over 5 letters though, even after repeated use. They tend to just look like random scribbling.
Oh bother... by eviltypeguy · 2004-10-28 03:36 · Score: 3, Funny

I wonder how long it will take this technology to "jump the shark".
Dvorak? by downward+dog · 2004-10-28 04:36 · Score: 1

I have to say, as cool as this is, that I can't see it gaining wide acceptance. Remember the Dvorak keyboard layout? It is clearly better than QWERTY, but very few people use it. People don't want to learn new keyboarding skills.

The only way I could see it gaining widespread use is via Palm-style devices. There you have a market where people are willing to try things other than a QWERTY keyboard. Maybe it could then move from the palmtop platform to the desktop.
1. Re:Dvorak? by mistersooreams · 2004-10-28 14:28 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  I know you're going to get slaughtered for the above, which is a shame because you make a reasonable point but with a bad example. Anyway, I know this is heading offtopic but it comes up a lot on Slashdot. Let me be the first to say:
  
  Dvorak is NOT better than Qwerty.
  
  The original studies that 'proved' the superiority of Dvorak were conducted by none other than Mr Dvorak himself! The tests were repeatedly and ridiculously unfair, in that they compared groups of typists who could never be reasonably compared.
  
  Subsequent fair tests by independent parties have shown that Dvorak is no better once the typist reaches a reasonable degree of experience, and until that point they will perform much worse than on Qwerty if they are transitioning, as would presumably be the case for anyone reading this.
  
  You can read about the total debunking here, and here if you still don't believe me.
  
  Lots of things which are better don't catch on. But like Betamax (vs VHS), Dvorak isn't one of them.
  
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Re:I would have to try it to know if I would like by commonchaos · 2004-10-28 05:06 · Score: 3, Insightful

If you touch type, you already have memorized patterns for many words over 5 letters in length. Every word that I am typing is one that I have typed many times before. I never think of where the keys are anymore . I just... type the words.

That is the beauty of SHARK. You'll eventually be able enter a word pattern, rather than focus on where the letters are.
Re:I would have to try it to know if I would like by pavon · 2004-10-28 05:09 · Score: 4, Interesting

I can't see myself memorizing too many words over 5 letters though, even after repeated use. They tend to just look like random scribbling.

Well, typing just looks like random pecking in a grid. You may never really be able to memorize these intentionally, but the brain and musle memory are much better at learning habits than you would think. It's just a matter of time and repetition.
This looks incredible to me. by LordOfYourPants · 2004-10-28 05:34 · Score: 1

I agree with some other posters that I'd have to try it before deciding if I like it, but from what I see it looks far faster than writing each character by hand.

It also doesn't seem like the layout would mess with your QWERTY skills as your brain as I get the feeling your brain is in a different kind of mode when moving a pen around a display vs moving your fingers around on a keyboard.

Good stuff!
Use it for PDAs? How novel! by Anonymous Coward · 2004-10-28 05:38 · Score: 0

Uhm... this was not intended for the desktop. Here are some clues: 1)The article talks about Stylus Keyboards, 2) The related terms include: mobile devices, tablet PC, and pen gesture, and 3) One of the research articles is titled "In search of effective text interfaces for OFF the desktop computing".

You have a good idea, really, but you need to read the article first before sharing it.
Keyboard still better by barrkel · 2004-10-28 05:44 · Score: 1

I type using the Dvorak layout, and I can type more sensibly than I can speak (since pauses don't look stupid) and faster and more legibly than I can write.

This continuous drift towards 'alternative' input methods on the part of the OS vendors (read: Microsoft) seems mistaken from my desktop-bound existence.

Don't even get me started on Microsoft's MixedUp keyboards. The moment any keyboard manufacturer starts playing with the function block (Insert / Delete and friends), they lose my business for one.
Re:I would have to try it to know if I would like by lphuberdeau · 2004-10-28 06:23 · Score: 3, Interesting

It looks great to me. The only thing is that the 'keyboard' map they used is really oriented towards english and is different from the good old qwerty everyone is used to. As a native french speaker, I really wonder how quick it is to use for common words.

It sure looks faster than current grafiti on palms and it has visual feedback. I'm just bad at hand writing, and slow on a palm. This might be what I need.

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Re:I would have to try it to know if I would like by pipingguy · 2004-10-28 06:53 · Score: 1

So, like, I could just use the word, "crappy" as a 6-letter adjective rather than, say, "superfluous"? Saves letters, time and thought, must be good!

Always remember and never forget: eschew obfuscation.
Balloon by Meiyo+Neko · 2004-10-28 08:09 · Score: 1

How would one write a word that has the same letter appearing twice in a row in the middle of a word? I would assume that you could just double tap the letter, but then again when you lift the stylus doesn't it finish the word?
1. Re:Balloon by Asicath · 2004-10-28 10:12 · Score: 1
  
  I would imagine they have the stylus make a loop inside the letter's hex to draw a repeat character.
  
  The same situation would come up in the case of a word like "can" where all three letters are in a line. How would it know to pick up the letter "a" in the middle? Perhaps it runs the letters selected vs a word database, translating "cn" into "can".
2. Re:Balloon by absurdhero · 2004-10-28 12:26 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  The sensible thing to do would be to not worry about the extra letter, and translate the stroke for b-a-l-o-n to balloon in the dictionary subsystem. Ambigous entries aren't really any more of a problem with this since it looks like they already have them and have dealt with them with the drop-down correction box.
3. Re:Balloon by workman161 · 2004-10-28 13:13 · Score: 1
  
  http://qdb.us/40668
  
  It isn't always reliable, as obviously stated above. But then again, if you are such a geek to use this, would you even have a female relationship as such?
Re:I would have to try it to know if I would like by pkhuong · 2004-10-28 09:33 · Score: 1

Try qwerty or ATOMIK touch keyboard hacks for Palms. SHARK hasn't been ported to Palm (or PPC), unless they now have real JVMs - maybe the Zauruses do? It doesn't seem like it would be extremely hard to do, except for graphical feedback, but it _is_ a completely different beast from the usual touch keyboard. In the meantime, there's a Libre hack (can't find it, sorry), and a couple shareware ones, that allow you to use qwerty, ATOMIK or arbitrary layouts if you prefer azerty, etc - the last time i checked the author was still working on OS 5 support. I find that qwerty was faster than graffiti, even though i have to tap each letter, and, on non pure english tasks, better than ATOMIK. I can easily see how i should type words on qwerty without any reference, so obviously the layout worked well for me. A con is that you have to look at the graffiti area when inputting data, but i find that i have to when using graffiti too, anyway.

Now, I just keep it in ink on my Tablet, but if the demo works well, I shall be a happy man. (No, HWR does not deal very well with programming or shell commands :)

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Dictionary=Bad by smug_lisp_weenie · 2004-10-28 12:48 · Score: 2, Interesting

If you look at the video carefully you will see that this system uses a dictionary to work: Certain motions on the keyboard are ambiguous, requiring the system to compare it against the dictionary (pay special attention to the popup menu half-way through the video).

ream ember tea probe lamb with the Apple Newton?

Dictionary systems always look great in a demo, but the great advantage of Grafitti-like systems like on the Palms is that you can type anything and it works even if its not in the dictionary!
1. Re:Dictionary=Bad by pkhuong · 2004-10-28 14:38 · Score: 1
  
  You can always tap. The ATOMIK layout was created to be used a virtual/tap keyboard. QWERTY was better for me as a tap keyboard because i was much more used to it, but, in conjnunction with SHARK, i prefer ATOMIK. I think I'll learn ATOMIK well enough after a couple weeks.
  
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Re:I would have to try it to know if I would like by scribblej · 2004-10-29 02:56 · Score: 1

I can't see myself memorizing too many words over 5 letters though, even after repeated use. They tend to just look like random scribbling.
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Dvorak = less pain by Anonymous Coward · 2004-10-30 08:27 · Score: 0

I've been using Dv for ~3 mo now and I switch back and forth depending on which computer I'm at, so I am still slower than with Qw.

Ymmv, but I get much less wrist pain with Dv. I figure over the short term (longer sessions) and over the next 50 years, Dv may pay off.