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China to Launch Solar Telescope

Dirak writes "China plans to launch the world's largest and most advanced space solar telescope (SST) into 735-kilometre-high earth synchronous orbit in 2008. Japan and the United States are also jointly developing an SST, coded as SOLAR-B, now scheduled for launch in the September of 2005. But with a diameter of 0.5 metre, SOLAR-B has half capability in optical resolution than that of the Chinese-made solar telescope."

33 comments

  1. My Eyes! by Thrymm · · Score: 1

    My eyes my eyes! 100% to 0% vision in less than 3 seconds!

    1. Re:My Eyes! by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 2, Funny

      don't be silly, surely they're smart enough to only point it towards the sun at night...

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    2. Re:My Eyes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +5 Funny

  2. The US is starting to lose... by jessecurry · · Score: 1

    ...I thought that the US was supposed to be the most technologically advanced country...what happened :D

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    1. Re:The US is starting to lose... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who gives a shit about space? It's up to private industry now, and hopefully will stay that way.

      The americans subsidized NASA to beat the russians, and well we know what happened there...

      Good riddance to E.T. Pork spending.

    2. Re:The US is starting to lose... by chris_mahan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It still is.

      When the Chinese can fly their own SR-71, we'll talk again.

      Or scramjet.

      And one day, they might actually have an aircraft carrier.

      On the other hand, research from multiple countries in space exploration is good to foster views from different angles and with different motives (the chinese solar telescope will certainly not be the "baby" of the US Air Force).

      Anyway, this post is full of doo, so I'll go back to sipping on my brew.

      Coffee--brew. Jees.

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    3. Re:The US is starting to lose... by ravenspear · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Science projects like this have taken a back seat to "Bush's dream for Mars."

      Don't get me wrong, going to Mars would be a great achievement and I think it should get support, but it is highly unlikely that it will occur anytime in the next 20-25 years. We shouldn't slack off in all unmanned science in space until that point.

    4. Re:The US is starting to lose... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or slack off in all manned space flight. The fact is, "Bush's dream for Mars" is a sleight of hand, a decision to "wait for the technologies to develop" rather than pursue them. Bush's dream for Mars is a nightmare.

    5. Re:The US is starting to lose... by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      The fact is, "Bush's dream for Mars" is a sleight of hand, a decision to "wait for the technologies to develop" rather than pursue them.

      Well NASA had that problem even before Bush. Just look at what happened with the X-33.

    6. Re:The US is starting to lose... by sfjoe · · Score: 2, Interesting


      While it is true that the US is is still the leader in technological developments, there are some trends that make it a distinct possibility that this will not be the case for much longer.
      The dual trends of cutting school budgets and funding only scientific projects that are 'christian-approved", can quickly destroy the academic infrastructure that got us the lead in the first place. Americans are NOT genetically more intelligent than other people.

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    7. Re:The US is starting to lose... by smurf975 · · Score: 1

      Was the US the most technologically advanced country? Or just the country that made the most use and made the most money of these technological advancements?

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    8. Re:The US is starting to lose... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing has changed. This is nothing more than the Chinese Communist government shooting off their mouth so everyone will think their third-world dictatorship is actually something to be taken seriously. Expect this to amount to nothing just like the supposed Moon base and Mars missions.

    9. Re:The US is starting to lose... by jessecurry · · Score: 1

      it was really more of a tongue in cheek comments, sorry I didn't make my sarcasm a little more evident

      --Jesse

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    10. Re:The US is starting to lose... by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "I thought that the US was supposed to be the most technologically advanced country"

      When the Chinese are able to put their solar observatory at a libration (a/k/a "LaGrange") point like where SOHO is, then we can start asking this question. Until then, it sounds like they'll have a solar observatory that won't be able to look at the sun for parts of the year.

    11. Re:The US is starting to lose... by Goeland86 · · Score: 1

      They already HAVE an Aircraft carrier. Only one, but they do! The following countries have AC's: ordered by number of AC's, I don't have the precise numbers, but I know it's in that order. USA UK France Russia China Just thought I'd let you in on that.

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  3. Re:When will they do something useful... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your sig...

    I remember watching this in a vet health course and nearly vomitting...

  4. USA Subsidizing Chinese Space/Military Programs by d102804 · · Score: 0, Troll
    This project by the Chinese to launch a massive space telescope costs millions of dollars. Yet, millions of Chinese live in poverty, and the World Bank continues to provide cheap loans to the Chinese to build their infrasture. We Americans are the principal investors in the World Bank.

    What is the net result? We are subsidizing the expensive Chinese programs to launch satellites and space telescopes and militarize space. While we give more than $40 billion to China for development, the Chinese initiate massive space and space-militarization programs, including nuclear-weapons development.

    We should immediately cut China off of the World Bank lifeline.

    By contrast, when Japan was impoverished in the 1950s, the Japanese spent almost no money on space programs or nuclear weapons. The Chinese are playing Americans for a bunch of fools.

    1. Re:USA Subsidizing Chinese Space/Military Programs by Awestruckin · · Score: 1

      I didn't even know the World Bank existed. Sounds like a pretty good idea from where I stand, and who said it's a space militarization program? It's a solar telescope, designed I presume for studying solar activity? This type of research benefits the "World." So, being funded by the World Bank doesn't sound like too much of a problem to me. As for the priorities of the Chinese... well, most governments priorities will be out of whack until the world is threatened by imminent destruction.

    2. Re:USA Subsidizing Chinese Space/Military Programs by justanyone · · Score: 3, Informative
      IMHO, the truth is more complex.

      Forces on China include:
      • Very rapid urbanization from population migration;
      • Rapid economic growth
      • Poor banking & financials regulations & enforcement
      • Poor government and corporate transparency (enables wise investments), leads to poor use of capital;
      • poor court systems - rapid growth in new commercial lawsuits, no infrastructure;
      • vast environmental damage that won't really hit for 20 years but when it does it will be very, very bad;
      • poor roads and rails infrastructure (political not market driven locations/sizes);
      • little democratic traditions on local levels (feeding county/state/federal governmental structures' elected officials)
      • history of totalitarian regimes - "never underestimate the ability of a country to act the same as it has in the past";
      • strong pressure to limit political change ("those that disallow little peaceful revolutions invite big violent revolutions")
      • unstable authoritarian bordering regimes (North Korea and others);
      • educational systems based on rote learning instead of independent questioning;
      • increasing instability in currency markets from rapid growth & partial convertability of Won to Euro/Dollar/etc.
      • Internet technolgies uncapping info wall keeping electorate in dark about bad government actions without allowing corresponding social networks of interested reformers to push for change legitimately
      Just a couple of items on China's plate right now. Of course, a space program gains prestige. But it also takes the minds of your citizens off the fact that their lives are rapidly changing, and too-rapid change coupled with social dislocation breeds for backlash (examples abound).

      And you wondered about the role of China in the world economy. Their space program is a (possibly helpful) diversion and may be worth the money even if the only thing it does is inspire the kids of 1.x billion people to think about tech change in the engineering terms of 'gradually building on the shoulders of giants' instead of 'fearsome magic wrought at our expense'.

      And all I know is what I read in the Economist. Just think what the World Bank's experts know. Let's hope they know enough to help.
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  5. Tomorrow's Article... by robdeadtech · · Score: 1

    "China to Launch worlds largest Telescope Filter"

    "A giant shutter will close when you do things like point the telescope at Google and Yahoo Headquarters."

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  6. 735-kilometre-high earth synchronous orbit : WTF?! by renehollan · · Score: 1
    A synchronous orbit is one where the revolution of the satellite matches the rotation of the earth, thus appearing to be over one place all the time. This is a useful property for communications satellites, and, in particular those providing satellite television (DirecTV, Dish, Voom (ugh, I hate that name), ExpressVu (which, IIRC, is Dish repackaged for the Canadian market, without the benefit of stacked LNBs and multiswitches). It also limits the number of orbital slots available, since satellites have to remain a certain distance apart.

    Now, there is only one altitude at which a synchronous orbit is possible: that where the gravitational attraction matches the centripital force. Recall from high school Newtonian physics: GMm/r^2 = mv^2/r. Solving for v: v = sqrt(GM/r). The orbital velocity is also C/t, where C=2*pi*r. We note that t = 23 hours, 56 minutes, 4.09 seconds or 86164.09 seconds.

    So, you solve for r, where GMt/4/pi^2 = r^3.

    Turns out, this is about 22500 miles, or 37500 km.

    A far cry from 735 km.

    Of course, there is no need for a space telescope to be in synchronous orbit, and this one probably isn't: it would take a lot more energy to get it that much further out of Earth's gravity well. (But, that's a calculation for another day).

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  7. Blame Bush doesn't work here. by kippy · · Score: 1

    First off, keep your pants on. it's been less than a year.

    Second, Bush has leaned on congress and got a funding increase for the Mars push when the Senate approved the NASA budget.

    Thirdly, the Moon/Mars push will primarily take budget from the shuttle and ISS once those are done. Some additional funds will be diverted from other projects but science project stuff like this will continue.

    Don't forget the science that will be obtained from manned Moon and Mars missions. Before you flame me about how robots are cheaper or whatever, ask yourself this: Do you believe mankind should settle other worlds? If so, do you think any number of robots will do if no humans are sent?

  8. Re:735-kilometre-high earth synchronous orbit : WT by renehollan · · Score: 1
    Actually, the orbital speed, or magnitude of the velocity, is C/t. Speed is a scalar quantity, and velocity is a vector quantity (which, in orbit, is always changing, but remains perpendicular to the surface).

    Just thought I'd mention that before some pedant rips my post to shreds.

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  9. Re:735-kilometre-high earth synchronous orbit : WT by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1
    that where the gravitational attraction matches the centripital force

    Nitpicking - this is true of all orbits. A synchronous orbit is one where the orbital period matches the rotational period of the central body.

    You calculated is correctly, mind you, and seem to have a clear understanding of the issue. Except for that one little part of your explanation.

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  10. Re:735-kilometre-high earth synchronous orbit : WT by renehollan · · Score: 1

    Doh! need more coffee. :-)

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  11. Not very smart... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Developing a telescope that can only be used during the day!

  12. Re:735-kilometre-high earth synchronous orbit : WT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely, they meant sun synchronous orbit, which are usually just under 800 km. These orbits follow the sun all day, useful for a solar telescope I'd think.

  13. Crash & Burn by Mynt-E · · Score: 1

    I wonder what they'll end up crashing this one into?

  14. Re:735-kilometre-high earth synchronous orbit : WT by PhuCknuT · · Score: 1

    I'm curious how that would work. An 800km orbit takes 100 minutes, it would circle the earth 14 times a day, and be in shadow half the time. If it was a polar orbit it would get a continuous clear view of the sun for maybe a few months of the year.

    If you want an unobstructed view of the sun you need a much higher orbit, like the moon which is eclipsed at most twice a year IIRC. Or you need to leave earth orbit altogether, like soho which is at the earth-sun L1 point.

  15. Re:735-kilometre-high earth synchronous orbit : WT by renehollan · · Score: 1
    Yes, but the earth revolves around the sun. That's why a mean solar day is 24 hours and the earth rotates on it's axis in 23:56:4.09.

    Dunno if an 800 km orbit can counter the earth's revolution around the sun though (and am too lazy to calculate that right now).

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  16. Sun synchronous orbits by WalksOnDirt · · Score: 1

    Sun synchronous orbits don't get a continous view of the Sun, they are polar orbits that pass over a point on the Earth at the same time each day.

    This could be somewhat usefull for regular communication with the satellite from China, but I don't see why it would be worth the expense of a polar orbit for that.

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  17. Solar Telescope my arus... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. It in a high orbit, but not a sync orbit.
    2. It has a very big mirror.

    My Conclusion:

    It's a giant magnifying glass for frying humans on the ground.