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FreeBSD LiveCD 1.1 Ready For Download

Posted by timothy on from the best-way-to-sample dept.

An anonymous reader writes "It's my pleasure to announce FreeSBIE 1.1, a LiveCD based on FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE. Some of the innovations since 1.0 include: A renewed series of scripts to support power users; An installer to let users install FreeSBIE 1.1 on their hard drives, thus having a powerful operating system such as FreeBSD, but with all the personalizations FreeSBIE 1.1 carries; and the presence of the best open source software, chosen and personalized, such as X.Org 6.7, XFCE 4.2RC1, Firefox 1.0 and Thunderbird 0.9.2. Moreover, many bugs were solved thanks also to the help of numerous beta testers which we are honoured to thank. For more information visit FreeSBIE.org"

106 comments

  1. Fast torrent by Piquan · · Score: 1

    As soon as I started the torrent it hit 129 KB/s... get on it while it's hot!

    1. Re:Fast torrent by nocomment · · Score: 3

      Easy torrent access here.

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    2. Re:Fast torrent by someonehasmyname · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm getting 300+ kB/s...

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      Common sense is not so common.
    3. Re:Fast torrent by apachetoolbox · · Score: 1

      i'm getting 600k/sec :o

      i'll leave the torrent open :)

  2. ...FreeBSD Live... by ArsonSmith · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    I thought BSD was dead?

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    Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
    1. Re:...FreeBSD Live... by vitalogy · · Score: 2

      I think not, especially with a mascot like this!

      http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html/

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      I know I was born and I know that I'll die, the in between is mine.
    2. Re:...FreeBSD Live... by brilinux · · Score: 2, Funny
      Since that 404s, with the "/" at the end:

      http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html

    3. Re:...FreeBSD Live... by curious.corn · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with you guys?! Why on earth do you ALWAYS have to wear bloody snickers all the time! A good pair of red leather high heels would've done a world of difference to that chick (she is a bit heavy on the thigh and heels do wonders on womens' legs) sheesh!

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  3. While live cd's are an interesting idea by chroot_james · · Score: 1

    How many people use them and what do you use them for? I understand the idea, I just haven't found many situations where I'd want a live cd instead of just installing the full OS...

    --
    Reality is nothing but a collective hunch.
    1. Re:While live cd's are an interesting idea by KevinKnSC · · Score: 4, Informative

      LiveCDs are an easy way to "try out" an operating system without commiting to anything. You can pop one of these in the drive, play with a bit, and still have your regular operating system intact when you're done. The one I use the most, though, is the System Rescue CD. I used that with all of the Windows machines I unofficially support, and now whenever one of them goes bad I can stick that CD in and restore the drive image from the network in about 45 minutes. No more spending days getting everything reinstalled and tweaked just right.

    2. Re:While live cd's are an interesting idea by ScaryTall · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I use mine when I'm working either with a machine having some sort of OS problem or an old machine I have no intention of using, but from which I need to recover some data. I can pop in the Live CD and boot to an always-working OS. From there I can either access/transfer my data or restore the disk image. It's not unlike the system restore boot disks that have come with systems for years. These are just more robust. I always have one in my desk or bag.

      It's also a great way to evaluate a new or updated OS without the danger of trashing my system, though that probably falls under the Completely Obvious category.

    3. Re:While live cd's are an interesting idea by molnarcs · · Score: 1
      This is a metoo post. Like others said above, its good for system diagnosis. Many times I'm called to 'repair' a windows machine for "there is no internet" (lol). An easy way to see whether its hardware or software issue (if it isn't immediately obvious) is to pop in the cd, boot, put proper ip address + gw in /etc/rc.conf, do an "/etc/rc.d/netif restart" and lynx somewhere.

      Also, FreeSBIE made a very nice fluxbox desktop (I learned about torsmo and idesk through it) and now I use it as a template for creating a light-weight, yet nice looking fluxdesktop for lower end machines. Also, another nice thing was that TVcard worked out of the box (just had to give the proper chanlist in motv, and in a minute after boot up I could watch TV on the machine of my roommate (winxp box).

      Here is a must have screenshot of a FreeSBIE-like screenshot.

    4. Re:While live cd's are an interesting idea by archen · · Score: 1

      Well I'm pretty new to FreeBSD since I was using it on and off for a year, then switched to using it full time 2 years ago, and in all honesty I don't find the rescue disks to be all that useful. Apparently I'm missing something because whenever I go into recovery mode, the root partition is always mounted as READ ONLY. Hard to fix a problem in /etc when you can't write to fucking files! Likewise the rescue disk has enough to get by with, but not much more.

      Having a self contained live CD gives you enough room to get around the system. Generally as long as I have vim,bash,tar, and dd I'm okay, but the rest of the software is handy as well. Basically a Linux live CD won't give you the ability to write to ufs2 partitions, and the FreeBSD rescue/install disk doesn't give you enough to work with. Thus FreeSBIE fills in this gap really well.

      but how come there's python but no ruby?

    5. Re:While live cd's are an interesting idea by jschauma · · Score: 1

      To give one example where a Live CD is incredibly useful: I recently used a custom NetBSD Live CD for a programming contest -- all machines at two locations needed to be absolutely identical and using a Live CD obliterates the hassle of installing a new OS or reconfiguring your current setup in any way -- just pop in the CD, boot, done.
      See this link and this link for details.

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      -- "Tradition is the illusion of permanence."
    6. Re:While live cd's are an interesting idea by VolciMaster · · Score: 1

      I use them as diagnostic tools frequently. Especialy when I need to figure out what's wrong with a Win drive, or recover files off an install that won't boot (before just reformatting).

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      antipaucity
    7. Re:While live cd's are an interesting idea by someonehasmyname · · Score: 3, Informative

      of course it's mounted read only when you boot single user 'rescue' mode. you have to mount it read/write after: /sbin/mount -u /

      turning on swap is a good idea as well: /sbin/swapon -a

      then you can try mounting all the other partitions: /sbin/mount -a -t ufs

      --
      Common sense is not so common.
  4. Requiem for the FUD by AgainstFUD · · Score: 5, Informative
    ... facts are facts. ;)

    FreeBSD:
    FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
    "FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
    Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
    "[FreeBSD] has a secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
    What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
    "FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."

    NetBSD:
    NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
    NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (30 Sep 2004)

    OpenBSD:
    OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
    Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)

    *BSD in general:
    Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
    "The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
    ..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)

    --
    Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

    1. Re:Requiem for the FUD by reverius · · Score: 1

      What exactly is a "Mpps"? I did a search on google and wikipedia and nothing relevant came up...

      I'm assuming (based on standard conventions) that the M is mega, and the ps is per second... but what is the p? Pixels? (Last I checked, pixels don't get routed)...

      Petabytes? Did someone forget that Peta was the amount and not the unit? :)

      You'd think Pbps (petabytes per second) would suffice if that was the case... or an amount a few orders of magnitude larger than Peta for Mega Pbps...

    2. Re:Requiem for the FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the 'p' is for 'packets', buddy

    3. Re:Requiem for the FUD by reverius · · Score: 1

      lol, thanks. good to know. i was just rambling before...

    4. Re:Requiem for the FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      packets

  5. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

    1. Re:Some actual facts by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Quit trying to confuse the issue with facts.

      --
      Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
  6. This one isn't bad either ;) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    (Any kids go to bed. NOW.)
    http://wigen.net/data/bsdmascots/daemonettes/large -BSDiva.gif.php?click

    1. Re:This one isn't bad either ;) by DrSkwid · · Score: 1


      it's fucking awful

      I'm embarrassed to be a FBSD if that's anything to do with it

      --
      There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
    2. Re:This one isn't bad either ;) by ulib · · Score: 1
      >it's fucking awful

      Give me a break.
      But to tell the truth, I had always seen these two versions (they're screenshots), and to me they look *much* better than the original.
      And besides that, my fav is still the daemonette by Bellamy.
      But to say "it's awful"... Come on.


      ok.. enough with soft-porn. ;)

      --
      Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

    3. Re:This one isn't bad either ;) by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

      the concept, not the skill of illustration

      boring sexist rubbish

      i like porn, but that just isn't even erotic (to me)

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      There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
  7. The installer is the dragonfly installer... by CoolVibe · · Score: 5, Informative
    As seen on bsdinstaller.org, written by DragonFlyBSD developers.

    The article poster might at least have mentioned that, but here it is, in a comment.

    The DragonFly installer team really deserve kudos for this thing. Especially for making it so generic. I heard someone even made an OpenBSD installer from this. It really is that flexible and easy to muck with.

    The first revisions of this relied on CAPS, which is the new IPC framework in DragonFly. Later on, other ways of IPC were added (sockets etc.) which makes this possible. Also, kudos to GeekGod of livebsd.com for sending the patches to the FreeSBIE team.

    The cool thing about the bsdinstaller is that the interface is decoupled from the back end which does the actual partitioning/copying/etc. There is even a CGI front-end available. Do your installs from a web browser! :) Oh, and an X-based installer (both Qt and GTK) is in the works.

    1. Re:The installer is the dragonfly installer... by ulib · · Score: 3
      Thanks for the info, and Kudos to the DragonFly developers!

      DragonFly's a promising OS that often goes unnoticed because it's still in its infancy, but BSD users surely have great expectations about it - and when you're an OS that people don't know yet, a nice piece of software like this installer is surely a *very* good way of introducing yourself. :)
      --
      Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

    2. Re:The installer is the dragonfly installer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The question is: is this live-CD fully FreeBSD 5.3 compatible once installed?

      I know about Knoppix being "sold" by some people as an easy way to start running a Debian, but due to the numerous custom Knoppix packages, it is a pain in the ass to maintain once installed.

    3. Re:The installer is the dragonfly installer... by endx7 · · Score: 1

      There's been talk of replacing sysinstall with the dfinstaller (aka bsdinstaller).

      Of course, there's been talk of replacing sysinstall for years...

    4. Re:The installer is the dragonfly installer... by setagllib · · Score: 1

      I think DragonFly's biggest problem is that most ports don't build yet, and keeping the ports and overrides tree in synch is a lot of work that they don't have the man power for. This will all go away when pkgsrc gets testing on DragonFly (if you look at the blog, it should bootstrap there already), but that also halves the number of packages available.

      I'd probably be running DragonFly now if I could actually get anything but the base system compiled. Shame having to go back to running Gentoo Linux just to get all the software up without hassle; but I'll admit overall it's really not that bad. The moment DFly takes a firm stand in package management, I'll try it again :)

      --
      Sam ty sig.
    5. Re:The installer is the dragonfly installer... by molnarcs · · Score: 1
      I believe it is, because once you have network running and cvsup installed, it is all about synchronizing your ports and src tree.

      In other words, you can have an 5.3-STABLE (warning, that is still a development branch, but as the name suggests, it's pretty stable) system or 5.3-RELEASE, or even 6-CURRENT if you want - depending how you set your standard-supfile.In short, you'll have a fully functional FreeBSD system, you can even decide which version you want.

      Cvsup, ports/src tree ... these might sound alien if you never used FreeBSD, but the concepts are really easy to pick up (me came to FreeBSD from a mandrake background, and their documentation is so excellent, that I picked up the basics in a few days). In fact, I believe that FreeBSD is the easiest unix system a non-techie person can learn! Also, the community is very newbie friendly and helpful (on bsdforums.org). You can read the Handbook on their homepage.

  8. Coping with loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Of course you mourn the demise of *BSD. It's only natural. Dealing with the death of an operating system close to you can be one of the most traumatic experiences of your life, and you're bound to go through a range of emotions. While you may be able to work through those feelings on your own, it's often helpful to talk to a friend, a family member, or a counselor. You might also seek out a support group for people who are grieving.

    Grieving is a process, and it's totally normal to go through feelings of shock, sadness, anger even guilt. The healing process is different for everyone. It might take you six weeks to move on, or it might take you six years. Don't beat yourself up because you're not "over it" yet. It takes time to heal wounds.

    So what else can you do to feel better? It might sound corny, but try writing a letter, making a collage, or planting a tree in memory of the operating system you've lost. Remembering and celebrating all the good things *BSD brought to your life might help give you some closure, and having a keepsake to honor *BSD may help you get through some tough times in the future when you'll be missing it.

    It's true that life won't be the same without *BSD around. It may seem like you'll never feel better, but eventually you will. Take some comfort in the old saying, "Time heals all wounds," and remember that *BSD will always be with you in your heart.

  9. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 0, Redundant

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  10. google suggest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Go to the new google suggest and type "FreeBSD is"
    The only suggestion is FreeBSD is dying

    Away from the bad joke, the live CD works great and you can install it to the hd and cvsup it to FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE if you want

  11. FreeBSD is Dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    It is now official. Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: FreeBSD is dead

  12. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 0, Redundant

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  13. This is the result of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ..*years* of FUD.

    Luckily, it hasn't been that effective.
    ;)

  14. The bar is raised again for /stand/sysinstall by Crusty+Oldman · · Score: 2, Funny

    The bar is raised once again. And the writers of /stand/sysinstall will NEVER catch up.

    Not with ACME installation boosters strapped to their backs! Not with Vulcan mind-melds of Stephen Hawking channeling Alan Turing! Not with Bert Rutan sending them into space! Not with Anthony Schumacher delivering a laptop down the quarter mile in under four and a half seconds! Not with Bret Favre throwing them across the Gates of Hell. Not with...

    1. Re:The bar is raised again for /stand/sysinstall by setagllib · · Score: 1

      I for one quite like /stand/sysinstall. It gives new and exciting challenges in circular interface design, undocumented features, misleading procedures (X* distribution acting like base system, installing like package), and being completely incapable of sensible disklabeling... these things make the perfect installer for any masochist.

      DragonFly's installer is basically a more abstract and flexible brother to NetBSD 2's installer, though I'm not sure if they had that in mind. But the partitioning (BSD partitioning, no real DOS partitioning yet) is almost identical, just less functional. It's definitely got plenty of potential and once they get all the features ready will [hopefully] replace the others.

      Maybe someone will even wrap a Gentoo distribution it so that finally has a good installation procedure. I swear, whoever thinks that installing a smaller package at the start is better for resulting performance is an idiot.

      --
      Sam ty sig.
    2. Re:The bar is raised again for /stand/sysinstall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they put dancing penguins or a puppy wagging its tail with a bubble that says "Hunting for the next .cab" in the next version, would THAT make ya happy?

      (at least sysinstall recovers from missing files. Last time RedHat was missing a file (7.0 or 7.1 A Japaneese font) the install just hung. On FreeBSD it said 'can't find file' and eventually I got back to the main menu.)

    3. Re:The bar is raised again for /stand/sysinstall by sirket · · Score: 3, Insightful

      /stand/sysinstall may not have every bell and whistle in the world but damned if it doesn't do everything I need to and very quickly. I can go from sysinstall coming up to the OS starting to be installed with the options and partitioning I want in under 2 minutes. I haven't found another installer that comes close. I have a netboot image which installs a complete version of FreeBSD customized with the packages I want including partitioning and formatting in under 7 minutes from the time I boot the computer to the point at which it reboots and is ready for use.

      As for installation size, well- I am not sure what you are talking about. FreeBSD has a number of preset system types which include certain packages. I do minimal installs as a starting point for my own embedded work. Other times I do complete installs. Do I want apache installed as part of my base system? Ye gods no. I prefer to install just a few small packages on my system and do not want 34 hidden packages installed for every one I select in an installer. I would like to know exact version numbers and specific compile time options. You may not care. I do.

      As for the package problems- why is X part of the base system and yet installed as a package? Probably so that FreeBSD can move the whole base system into a series of packages to make it more modular. I don't know that for sure but it certainly makes sense.

      -sirket

    4. Re:The bar is raised again for /stand/sysinstall by setagllib · · Score: 1

      Nobody's complaing about its 'speed' of installation, it'd be really depressing if the number of menus made it take more than 10 minutes to install a rig; but the design really puts people off. I didn't really see it (having gotten used to it after a couple of rounds) but when I showed my friends the system they all agreed that it was clearly made by someone who is either hazardously stupid or just hates people and wants them to die.

      Here's how to install only a boot loader, folks:
      Go into a custom setup, start partitioning. Don't change anything.
      Press 'w' (this is the secret they don't want you to know)
      When prompted, pretend you know what you're doing. For some reason there's a difference in partitioning between installation and configuration
      Select the mode of boot loader you want, or none at all (in which case you wasted your time)
      It will fail if anything is 'special' about your drive. Care to argue?

      This HOWTO from the "in any other system it'd be a one-liner" department.

      --
      Sam ty sig.
  15. Grim future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    The number one problem facing Freebsd now is loss of marketshare. Week after week Freebsd keeps slipping lower in the marketshare surveys. There is only one way to interpret these results: Freebsd is dying. It is dying the death of a thousand cuts. Loss of marketshare means loss of ISV support. Loss of ISV support means loss of marketshare. And so it goes, into a downward spiral. Without marketshare, without ISV support, there can be only one outcome: OS extinction. This is the path on which Freebsd is headed.

  16. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 0, Redundant

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  17. FreeBSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Elegy For *BSD

    I am a *BSD user
    and I try hard to be brave
    That is a tall order
    *BSD's foot is in the grave.

    I tap at my toy keyboard
    and whistle a happy tune
    but keeping happy's so hard,
    *BSD died so soon.

    Each day I wake and softly sob
    Nightfall finds me crying
    Not only am I a zit faced slob
    but *BSD is dying.
  18. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 0, Redundant

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  19. If *BSD is dying... by YU+Nicks+NE+Way · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...should it have a Live CD or a Terminally Ill CD?

    1. Re:If *BSD is dying... by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 1

      You should have a DeadCD.

  20. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  21. Emily Dickinson Mourns *BSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Because I could not stop for Death,
    He kindly stopped for *BSD;
    The carriage held but just our bad code
    And Immortality.

    We slowly drove, he knew no haste,
    Passing Linux, we dared salute, a foe superior
    My coding work was but a-waste,
    Doomed OS a triviality.
  22. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 0, Redundant

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  23. Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm faster than NetBSD TCP stack. ;)

  24. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  25. Ouch.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    got the first row cut away. that was

    ---

    < 1 min
    I'm faster than NetBSD TCP stack. ;)

    ---

    I won't be always that fast, of course. Some times it'll take hours. Let's say... some times I'll be more like certain other non-BSD TCP stacks. :p

  26. Roaming Users by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you roam around, you can borrow anyones pc and not effect what they are doing, and have your normal UNIX tools at hand.

    Also works great if you are in a windows shop and cant login to any PC in the area you are at.. just boot the CD and you instantly (normally) have network.. Not that the security people would approve.. But its their fault for leaving the machines 'boot from cdrom' active.

    --
    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    1. Re:Roaming Users by evilviper · · Score: 1
      But its their fault for leaving the machines 'boot from cdrom' active.

      OR it's their fault for not putting a password on the CMOS... Or it's their fault for keeping that password on a post-it. Or their fault that they don't have the case locked so I can't clear the CMOS...
      --
      Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
    2. Re:Roaming Users by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      While I was 1/2 joking, in reality any security team worth its salt WOULD do simple things such as this.

      This would be in conjunction with the network admins to lock down the system's OS afterwards..

      Sure there are always ways in, but you at least lock the doors and close the windows when its your job to secure the house.....

      --
      ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    3. Re:Roaming Users by evilviper · · Score: 1
      While I was 1/2 joking

      As was I.
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      Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
  27. Some actual facts (Other links are trolls) by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132239&cid =11082989

  28. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  29. Some actual facts (Other links are trolls) by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132239&cid =11082989

  30. Some actual facts (Other links are trolls) by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132239&cid =11082989

  31. Some actual facts by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132239&cid =11082989

  32. Some actual facts by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132239&cid =11082989

  33. Some actual facts by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 0, Redundant

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132239&cid =11082989

  34. Some actual facts (Other links are trolls) by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 0, Redundant

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132239&cid =11082989

  35. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  36. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  37. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  38. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  39. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  40. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  41. AgainstFUD & Aga1stFUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...you karma whore(s)!

  42. Some actual whores by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132867&cid =11094025

  43. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  44. Some actual facts by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132867&cid =11094025

  45. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  46. Some actual AgainstFUD by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132867&cid =11094025

  47. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  48. S0me actual facts by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132867&cid =11094025

  49. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  50. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  51. Actual facts some by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132867&cid =11094025

  52. BSD Film Festival Tonite at the Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant
    On the marquee:
    • Flatliners
    • A Kiss Before Dying
    • Night of the Living Dead
    • Dead Poet's Society
    • Faces of Death
    • Four Weddings and a BSD Install
  53. Some actual facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  54. Some actual facts by AgainstTheFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  55. Some actual movies by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132867&cid =11094025

  56. The actual facts cannot be obscured by trolls by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132867&cid =11094025

  57. Some actual facts by AgainstTheFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  58. Some actual facts by AgainstTheFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131228&cid =10982290

  59. Worth replying by ulib · · Score: 1
    Our troll says:
    >The actual facts cannot be obscured by trolls

    Sadly, this isn't true.
    If it were true, FUD wouldn't work. But to a certain extent it does. :(
    --
    Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

  60. [OT] Correction by ulib · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Ok, from now on AgainstFUD won't reply with a +1 message to trolls that are below that threshold.
    Until now it hasn't been like that: I apologize, I'm still experimenting. Let's say, this whole anti-FUD process is still in its beta (or alpha?..) stage. ;)
    --
    Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

  61. Some actual corrections by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 0, Troll
    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132867&cid =11094025

    Alpha? Beta? Just call it a failure. You will never stop the trolls until Slashdot stops carrying stories about a non-existent operating system.

  62. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132918&cid =11097565

  63. Some actual facts (other link is a troll) by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132867&cid =11094025

  64. Some actual facts by AgainstFUD · · Score: 1

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132918&cid =11097565

  65. *tsk*.. by ulib · · Score: 1
    No, I don't like it, too much crap around.
    And, there is a better way.

    FWIW: I'm unplugging for (approx) 15 days, Happy Holidays to all the BSDers around the world! :)

    (..and Requiem for the FUD, of course)

    --
    Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

  66. One You Forgot: A *BSD Carol by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: -1, Troll

    "Spirit," said Scrooge, with an interest he had never felt before, "tell me if *BSD will live."

    "I see a vacant seat," replied the Ghost, "in the poor chimney-corner, and a crutch without an owner, carefully preserved. If these shadows remain unaltered by the Future, *BSD will die."

    "No, no," said Scrooge. "Oh, no, kind Spirit! say it will be spared."

    "If these shadows remain unaltered by the Future, none other of my race," returned the Ghost, "will find him here. What then? If it be like to die, it had better do it, and decrease the surplus operating system population."

    Scrooge hung his head to hear his own words quoted by the Spirit, and was overcome with penitence and grief. It was sad to see any operating system die, even one so obviously flawed and useless as *BSD.

    God bless us, every one.

  67. Some actual tsks by Aga1nstFUD · · Score: 0
    http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132867&cid =11094025

    Reading source code is a fundamental freedom, not just a "nice thing."

  68. Lamentations of the Dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    What We Can Learn From BSD
    By Chinese Karma Whore, Version 1.0

    Everyone knows about BSD's failure and imminent demise. As we pore over the history of BSD, we'll uncover a story of fatal mistakes, poor priorities, and personal rivalry, and we'll learn what mistakes to avoid so as to save Linux from a similarly grisly fate.

    Let's not be overly morbid and give BSD credit for its early successes. In the 1970s, Ken Thompson and Bill Joy both made significant contributions to the computing world on the BSD platform. In the 80s, DARPA saw BSD as the premiere open platform, and, after initial successes with the 4.1BSD product, gave the BSD company a 2 year contract.

    These early triumphs would soon be forgotten in a series of internal conflicts that would mar BSD's progress. In 1992, AT&T filed suit against Berkeley Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly violated. In the same year, BSD filed countersuit, reciprocating bad intentions and fueling internal rivalry. While AT&T and Berkeley Software lawyers battled in court, lead developers of various BSD distributions quarreled on Usenet. In 1995, Theo de Raadt, one of the founders of the NetBSD project, formed his own rival distribution, OpenBSD, as the result of a quarrel that he documents on his website. Mr. de Raadt's stubborn arrogance was later seen in his clash with Darren Reed, which resulted in the expulsion of IPF from the OpenBSD distribution.

    As personal rivalries took precedence over a quality product, BSD's codebase became worse and worse. As we all know, incompatibilities between each BSD distribution make code sharing an arduous task. Research conducted at MIT found BSD's filesystem implementation to be "very poorly performing." Even BSD's acclaimed TCP/IP stack has lagged behind, according to this study.

    Problems with BSD's codebase were compounded by fundamental flaws in the BSD design approach. As argued by Eric Raymond in his watershed essay, The Cathedral and the Bazaar, rapid, decentralized development models are inherently superior to slow, centralized ones in software development. BSD developers never heeded Mr. Raymond's lesson and insisted that centralized models lead to 'cleaner code.' Don't believe their hype - BSD's development model has significantly impaired its progress. Any achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by the BSD license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL.

    The failure of BSD culminated in the resignation of Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith from the FreeBSD core team. They both believed that FreeBSD had long lost its earlier vitality. Like an empire in decline, BSD had become bureaucratic and stagnant. As Linux gains market share and as BSD sinks deeper into the mire of decay, their parting addresses will resound as fitting eulogies to BSD's demise.

  69. Don't believe the FUD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    Don't believe this FUD. Read here.

  70. Go Tell It on the Mountain by AgainstFUDD · · Score: 0, Troll

    Go Tell It on the Mountain
    (traditional)

    Go tell it on the mountain
    over the hills
    and everywhere

    Go tell it on the mountain
    that *BSD is dead

  71. NetBSD by ChristTrekker · · Score: 1

    Is there a NetBSD liveCD around for x86?

    --

    Constitutionally Correct

    1. Re:NetBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://linuxiso.org/download.php/457/i386live.iso. bz2