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The Cult of the NeoPet

Wired is running an article examining the ups and downs of the Neopet Addiction. The overly cute online 'game' mostly consists of teaching kids to look at ads, but somehow has developed a large following online. From the article: "A generation agrees. Neopets has a staggering 25 million members worldwide. It has been translated into 10 languages and gets more than 2.2 billion pageviews per month. These dedicated Neopians spend an average of 6 hours and 15 minutes per month on the site. That makes Neopets the second-stickiest site on the Internet - ahead of Yahoo!, MSN, AOL, and eBay, according to Media Metrix. What's more, its demographics are the stuff of marketers' dreams: Four out of five Neopians are under age 18, and two out of five are under 13." Relatedly, Kotaku has a quick blurb about the Scientology backdrop against which this cuteness is projected. Update: 12/09 19:14 GMT by Z : Fixed broken link. There's a bug there, methinks.

40 comments

  1. One good thing about this by denverradiosucks · · Score: 1

    At least Neopets don't poop on your furniture and scratch the carpet.

    1. Re:One good thing about this by Eightyford · · Score: 1

      You pooped in the refrigerator? And you ate the whole... wheel of cheese? How'd you do that? Heck, I'm not even mad; that's amazing!

  2. Just say no! by fishybell · · Score: 1
    This is your brain: :)

    This is your brain on neopets: :(

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    1. Re:Just say no! by idonthack · · Score: 1

      This is your brain on Slashdot: >
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    2. Re:Just say no! by idonthack · · Score: 1

      This is your brain on Slashdot: ><));>
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  3. correct link by EddieBurkett · · Score: 2, Informative

    The link in the story is wrong. Go to http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.12/neopets.h tml

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  4. Not exactly a dream by afabbro · · Score: 1
    What's more, its demographics are the stuff of marketers' dreams: Four out of five Neopians are under age 18, and two out of five are under 13.

    That is not exactly a marketer's dream. Mid-20s with high income is a marketer's dream. They're happy to settle for middle-class under-30. Under 18 and there is usually a limit to how much you can milk kids for, in terms of their weekly disposable income (above which there is the parental filter) vs. the disposable income of post-college people.

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    1. Re:Not exactly a dream by Luyseyal · · Score: 1

      True, but with the average age of parents increasing year after year -- translating into more disposable income on average -- Kids have more and more spending power available on average each year.

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  5. Neopets Founders? by daviddennis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone know what happened to the founders? They were strangely silent in the Wired article, even though they apparently still work for the company.

    The Scientology angle's pretty interesting, and the echos of Scientology-speak with their management were positively eerie. I've come close to crossing swords with that group in the past, and I must say I'm not keen on doing so in the future.

    I have to say, it's a very clever concept. It's worth visiting just to look at the bizarre creatures they've created. You don't need to sign up and sacrifice your body thetans to them in order to take a look.

    Fortunately.

    D

    (I ran an anti-Scientology site until I found that dealing with the anti-cult was almost as life absorbing as actually being in Scientology :-( ).

    1. Re:Neopets Founders? by Otter · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I've come close to crossing swords with that group in the past, and I must say I'm not keen on doing so in the future.

      Given that there's nothing Scientology-related about the NeoPets game, that the internal work practices there seem to be at worst weird and that the Scientology angle only came up from someone looking to (mildly) badmouth the company -- I don't see any need to "cross swords" with people who are minding their own business and certainly not harming you.

    2. Re:Neopets Founders? by Cheapy · · Score: 1

      I hear the next Neopet monster is gonna look like Xenu.

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  6. Is it really that surprising? by Iriel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Neopets combines a lot of the known elements that can make a website 'sticky'. As a web designer, I'm pretty aware of why. Just look at how successful things like Pokemon and Tamogachi pets were. However, these don't require you to take your save card or deck everywhere, you don't need to have some stupidly large object dangling from your keychain, and you can access them almost anywhere. This is just to start (concerning the convenience of them) off.

    Not only that, but in schools, I read a lot of school studies about kids getting in trouble for playing Yahoo games or AOL games in classes with computers in front of them. With Neopets, you get all those games with a new skin and it appears to give you rewards for them as well. Even if kids end up buying the merchandise later, a big reason that Neopets does so well is because they have so many things that appear to reward you for using their web services with no fees up front. And their so damn cute!

    I should know, I've seen people kicked out of computer labs in college for playing on Neopets when people were trying to finish their finals. Its rather creepy.

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    1. Re:Is it really that surprising? by Shad_the_protector · · Score: 1

      I should know, I've seen people kicked out of computer labs in college for playing on Neopets when people were trying to finish their finals. Its rather creepy. I never got kicked out, put yes I played a lot on school comp. And being in computer science tech, we had admin rights on our account, so it was hard to block us any site or game.

  7. If I get just a few more neopoints, by Errandboy+of+Doom · · Score: 1

    I can finally buy that Xenu Space Plane I've had my eye on.

  8. "Relatedly" is a perfectly cromulent word. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    "Relatedly"? I don't mean to hop on the Zonk-busting bandwagon, but that's not a word, man. See also: "irregardless", "Zonk-busting".

    1. Re:"Relatedly" is a perfectly cromulent word. by Kelson · · Score: 1

      related+ly = in a related manner.

      Standard word formation using a normal suffix. Sorry to break it to you, but English does that.

      ("Irregardless," on the other hand, is using the prefix improperly, as "regardless" itself already means "without regard," so "without without regard" makes no sense.)

    2. Re:"Relatedly" is a perfectly cromulent word. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Standard word formation using a normal suffix. Sorry to break it to you, but English does that.
      Well, I'm going to break it to you hatedly, then. English may have some spectactularly loose rules for forming neologisms; but that hardly excuses an editor of a popular media outlet from approving/allowing words that do not ~yet~ exist.

      Asidely, do you think Zonk needs your help?

    3. Re:"Relatedly" is a perfectly cromulent word. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone thinks it is:

      http://www.answers.com/topic/related

      Following the definition of "related" are variants:
      relatedly, adv.
      relatedness, n.

    4. Re:"Relatedly" is a perfectly cromulent word. by porcupine8 · · Score: 1
      From m-w.com:

      related
      One entry found for related.
      Main Entry: related
      Function: adjective
      1 : connected by reason of an established or discoverable relation
      2 : connected by common ancestry or sometimes by marriage
      3 : having close harmonic connection -- used of tones, chords, or tonalities
      - relatedly adverb
      - relatedness noun

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  9. SCIENTOLOGY by Eightyford · · Score: 0, Flamebait


    From the kotaku link:
    "Adam and Donna are nice people, in and of themselves.
    The negative aspects of NeoPets, all came from the side
    of Scientology-Oriented business structure/psyche. From
    the very get-go, any employee who applies for a job,
    will be faced with a couple of personality screening
    tests. I shit you not, I had a more comfortable time
    with my SAT's in high school! A lot of people make fun
    of Scientologists in an ignorant sort of way; they don't
    really know what goes on behind the curtains, but I
    assure you, it's not pretty. In hindsight, it's a little
    ironic that many of the execs are part of the cult, and
    many fledglings didn;t seem to get promoted to that
    level without first converting (this was the case while
    I was there). A mere observation, more than anything
    else. Unfortunately, many businesses that visit/partner
    up with these guys will look at the architecture of this
    successful business, and will be inclined to adopt it
    for themselves. It is for this reason alone that I want
    to see NeoPets fail."


    Scientology scares me... I mean praise L-RON!!!

    1. Re:SCIENTOLOGY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In response to Kotaku:

      Many companies use standardized testing to screen their employees. It's not a Scientology thing. And the tests used by Neopets and some other Scientologist-owned businesses are pretty ordinary. There's an IQ Test, an Aptitude Test, and a Personality Test. Any employer would benefit from knowing the intelligence level, aptitude, and personality traits of new hires. This isn't weird at all. I've taken these tests and wasn't the least bit uncomfortable with them. The SAT's were far more stressful. Kotaku is just trying to make Scientology seem weird by putting a negative spin on something very ordinary and harmless.

      Kotaku also says that "a lot of people criticize Scientology in an ignorant sort of way and don't know what really goes on behind the curtain." This is certainly true. But Kotaku goes on to say, "I assure you it's not pretty." Where are the facts to back up this judgemental statement? I read a lot of criticism of Scientology on the web and 98% of it is just cynical accusation unsupported by any facts. And, who is Kotaku to be in a position to "assure" anyone of what really goes on behind Scientology's "curtain"? Does Kotaku think that working for Neopets put her "behind Scientology's curtain"? It certainly didn't.

      Kotaku also reports that many Neopet execs are "part of the cult." This is more negative spin doctoring. By labelling Scientology a cult, and doing so in an offhanded "everyone knows" sort of way, a negative emotional attitude can be created in the reader, which, again, is not based on any facts. The vast majority of Scientologists are regular people who participate in Scientology courses and counselling for the very real benefits they receive from it -- benefits that most people would like to have, such as increased ability, awareness, intelligence, emotional stability, etc. For these people, the idea that Scientology is a cult is ridiculous.

      Now it's also true that there is a more elite group of Scientologists who are lifetime staff members, totally dedicated to "spreading the word." Well, how is this any different from Christian monks and nuns? Is Christianity a cult? Is Buddhism a cult? When someone calls Scientology a cult, all they're really saying is that it's new and different from what they're used to. Christianity was widely viewed as a cult in the first 200 years after Christ. It was reviled as a socially dangerous movement. Scientology, like Christianity before it, is a new major religion just going through the normal difficulties of getting accepted in a world populated by human beings who act based on human nature, which contains both good and evil.

      As for Scientology scaring Kotaku, he/she should relax. Scientology's purpose is to help people. The fact of the matter is that very, very few people who enter Scientology for the good purpose of becoming more able and aware and helping others to do the same, have any major trouble with the organization. People are people everywhere, so negative spin doctors can certainly find imperfections to harp on in any organization. But the good Scientology has done for the vast majority of its members is monumentally greater than any mistakes that may have been made along the way.

      And, by the way, something that readers of blogs on Scientology really need to know is that most of the negative stories about Scientology that circulate on the web were actually first put there by people who were kicked out for being the perpetrators of the same kind of negative behavior they're now trying to pin on the Scientology organization as a whole. As these bad apples have been methodically weeded out of the organization, conditions have gotten better and better for the remaining members.

      However, people who enter Scientology with less than pure intentions do still get treated in a pretty uncompromising way, which is entirely proper. What organization anywhere would long put up with members out of agreement with the standards of the group they were pretending to be pa

  10. Virual pets are still around?!? by Kelson · · Score: 1

    I have to admit, I assumed that virtual pets were a fad that would vanish. But Neopets, Nintendogs, etc. seem to be going strong. I guess the genre must have an appeal of its own beyond novelty.

  11. Sticky? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Second stickiest site" begs the question: what's the stickiest site? (So many wrong answers to that question come to mind!)

    1. Re:Sticky? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the submitter was a Don Adams fan.

    2. Re:Sticky? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      google maybe?

    3. Re:Sticky? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hit google all the time, but I don't stick around. Well, I leave Gmail open but there aren't that many Gmail users out there. Yet.

    4. Re:Sticky? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That surprised me, too. Everything I've read said they're the stickiest. If someone did pass them, it was recent. I wonder if it's true/who it was?

  12. No time by spx · · Score: 1

    I dont have time for pets on my computer, I have a dog that needs train', an adult male cat thats bugging me right now to go outside running around the house meowing like hes bored, and another cat that just gave us early gifts (kittens) for Xmas, anyone want some kittens?

    1. Re:No time by Rev+Wally · · Score: 1
      anyone want some kittens?

      Sure. Can you mail one to Maine?

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    2. Re:No time by spx · · Score: 1

      hehe I told people I would poke holes in the boxes, but I dont think the postal service would like that this time of year. :) Their way cute though, and just need a home for the last one. The two dark ones are staying with us, and one gray is going to a cousin of the family, so if you were closer, or will be in the area in afew months, stop by and get em. http://pengi.org/pb/ They are 10 days old today, and before she was pregy the momma cat would allow our older male to beat her up, but now shes not taking any shit from him.

    3. Re:No time by porcupine8 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should buy yourself a nice spay for Christmas.

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    4. Re:No time by spx · · Score: 1

      Thats already being planned out. Cats can become pregnant within months of giving birth (so she is now an inside cat). Although a cat can be spayed at any point, it is best to wait until the litter of kittens is weaned. The mammary glands and uterus will be much small then, making the spay easier and safer. Specifically, six to ten weeks after giving birth your cat can be spayed. This is her first and only litter, when we got her, she was not properly weaned from her mother, so we took into her being the 'baby', and now she has her own. Since the birth she has become abit more independant, so we hope all works out for the better, and the 'baby' can become an 'adult' cat soon enough.

  13. Freaking Scientologists... by Schezar · · Score: 3, Funny

    If there's one organization on this Earth that I can't stand, it's the Cult of Scientology. I make a point of harrassing them every chance I get.

    We actually did a bit about this story last night on GeekNights.

    They typically have their people sitting at little tables in the subways of NYC offering "free stress tests" and copies of Dianetics, hoping to get new converts. Every time I pass them, I take the time to stop and explain to the people they've ensnared that it's a cult. It's scary how many people don't know.

    Typical example:

    Me: Scientology is a cult. "You know that, right? They believe in an ancient alien named Xenu who exploded the souls of other murdered aliens with H-Bombs billions of years ago. They take your money."

    Prospective Scientologist: "What? Wow... Thanks for the warning." -leaves-

    Scientologst Asshole: "Hey! You can't say things like that! I'll call the fucking police! Leave NOW or I'll call the police! We're not a cult! It's slander to say we're a cult!"

    Me: "The police, eh? Yes, why don't you call them? I'll stick around and wait."

    They never actually call the police, but I wish they would sometime. I'd love to see these geniuses attempt to explain to a cop just what illegal act I was committing. "He was telling people about us!" "He says Scientology is a cult!"

    So do a good deed. Spread the word about scientology.

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  14. Teaching kids to look at ads? by InsaneLampshade · · Score: 1

    "The overly cute online 'game' mostly consists of teaching kids to look at ads"

    I don't remember there being any ads when i first signed up, but then that was a while back.

    1. Re:Teaching kids to look at ads? by Yaotzin · · Score: 1

      When I first signed up I remember being offered go and visit a lot of websites in exchange for Neopoints.
      That must've been at least 5 years ago.

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    2. Re:Teaching kids to look at ads? by Deltaspectre · · Score: 0

      Yup, and now there are even more sponsored games like the McDonald's challenge...

      Hell, there is even a McDonalds in Neopia (I think)

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  15. I annoint thee by sixteeninchdrilldo · · Score: 0, Troll

    forever thousands of
    Irrelevant comments are added to this site and and should be
    removed as soon as possible
    to allow for more effeicant use of server space
    penises are getting shorter and shorter
    orofices should be plugged
    shiza should drip from your mouth
    tart

  16. Neopets: for kids and college students alike. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neopets is pretty big with college-aged people, since is it has over 100 games that you can play for free! They have some multiplayer games, but even in single player games you can set up a challenge against other people for neopoints or items. Also each month they reset the high scores and you can win a trophy if you are in the top 10 high-score for those games. If you arn't that ambitious, you can still play a game 3 times a day and, based on your score, earn a small amount of neopoints. Two other areas of the site that attract college students are the battledome (where you can challenge other people's pets to a fight), and the social aspect of the site (guilds, forums, etc)

    as for kids, my nephew (who is 4 years old) just started playing neopets after McDonalds gave out stuffed neopets in their happy meals. he can't play alot of the games, but he has fun playing some of the kids games, as well as feeding his pet, and doing his 'dailies' (like trying his luck at the Fruit Machine, or the advent calander they do every december. Every day in December you can visit the calander and get a prize.)

    Just thought I'd share some info I knew about Neopets.

  17. Owned and operated by Scientologists. by FFFish · · Score: 0

    I wouldn't trust a Scientologist as far as I could throw him, let alone trust him with my child's entertainment.

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  18. Wow by GammaKitsune · · Score: 1

    You know, I was one of the first people on Neopets, way back before anyone in the world seemed to know about them. There weren't really any ads at that point, there were far fewer pets, and the pets they had were often a lot stranger. The one thing that had me interested was an early plan to explore and interact with some sort of real-time map, sort of like an MMO. Your pet would be able to move around on this map, learn skills... The concept, even at that point, was vague.

    They never did get that feature up, and thus I quickly lost interest.

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