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CryptoDox: Encyclopedia on Cryptography & Info

xorgb writes "CryptoDox is an online encyclopedia on Cryptography and Information Security. The data is being made available under the GNU Free Documentation License. The site is powered by MediaWiki and in the few months that it has been online it has got some good articles on the basics of cryptography. It is currently looking out for contributors to enhance its database of articles. Check it out!"

47 comments

  1. PGP Decryption key by nih · · Score: 1

    You'll need the PGP public key on page five to read the contents

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    1. Re:PGP Decryption key by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I didn't see a page on cracking the PGP public key. Either this site is not comprehensive, it's encrypted or the government re-re-classified it. What's the FBI doing at my door now?! I'm outta of here!

  2. Bruce Schneier's materials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have the administrators contacted Bruce Schneier yet? His guide Applied Cryptography is one of the friendliest yet at the same time rigorous introductions to the science, and now that 11 years have passed since its publication, perhaps he'd be willing to allow the use of it as the basis of further expansion of the encyclopedia.

    1. Re:Bruce Schneier's materials by WilliamSChips · · Score: 2, Funny

      In addition, his tears can break one-time pads. Except that he's never cried...

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    2. Re:Bruce Schneier's materials by MrZaius · · Score: 1

      May have been published in '95, but it's still actively updated on his website, still in print, and still as part of university curricula.

  3. Wikipedia is much better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wikipedia does not have ads and much more information. Cryptodox is just plain disappointing.

    1. Re:Wikipedia is much better by smilindog2000 · · Score: 1

      The discussion page backs this up. I don't see the need for this site. Wikipedia serves the need (for now).

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  4. Inferior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Summary:

      - too many not found errors
      - slow db query
      - indentical wikipedia article superior
      - only enough information to whet appetite for advertised books
      - lame (as in crippled)

    1. Re:Inferior by Alphax.au · · Score: 1
      lame (as in crippled)

      Subject to US Export restrictions. Funny thing is, they expired a few years ago...

  5. Planning to submit? by GC · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you're planning to submit to crytpography documentation I would recommend you contribute to the already extensive Crytpography Project on Wikipedia: Cryptography WikiProject

    The project in the article is rather limited, conflicts with other worthy projects, and made me feel that I was browsing the amazon cryptography book section, what with all the amazon adverts on it.

    1. Re:Planning to submit? by hpavc · · Score: 1

      Why isn't this just part of Wikipedia

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    2. Re:Planning to submit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The origin of the word cryptology lies in ancient Greek. The word cryptology is made up of two components: kryptos, which means hidden and logos

      I wish I was born with fluent greek, 'hidden words' sounds a lot nicer to the ear than cryptography.

    3. Re:Planning to submit? by K-074512 · · Score: 1

      I agree with that. wiki is one stop info center. It is really helpful ( so do Slashdot ). I don't know to others but it is to me. So...if there is more information in there, it would be great. :- webopedia.com also provides good information as well...

  6. Slashdot is on a rampage today... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...another server bites the dust!

  7. Here's my review of this site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wouldn't wipe my ass with a printout from this site, encrypted or not. Slow, loaded with ads, 404s more frequently than your mom gives me a handjob, need I go on?

    I'd prefer an apology from this site for the 5 minutes of my life it wasted.

  8. Compatible licensing means room for both by Kadin2048 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You make a good point, but in this case I don't think that the other project really detracts too much from Wikipedia in the long run -- they use the same license on their content, so that they could borrow from each other.

    I would hope that the CryptoDox people would at least start by using what's been written in Wikipedia, and that Wikipedians would feel free to borrow back improved content that was worked on at CryptoDox.

    I think this is similar to the greater argument between a totally open, encyclopediac-style information source, and a more specialized source with slightly higher barriers to entry. (Not an 'expert system' per se, but just because it's dedicated to a particular topic, it means that only people interested in that topic will probably join.) I think there's room for both, and by using compatible licenses, both can benefit.

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    1. Re:Compatible licensing means room for both by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The Citizendium, which was recently announced in the slashdot article "Co-founder forks Wikipedia" may stand some change to be an alternative to Wikipedia. There no anonymous editing will be allowed, thus potentially avoiding some problems. It remains to be seen whether stronger controls will lead to better content.
      Cryptodox, however, is not a viable alternative to Wikipedia.

    2. Re:Compatible licensing means room for both by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really don't see the point of having all these wikis, it's kinda stupid in my opinion. Joining the wikipedia cryptography project is much more worthwhile. It is much easier to find information and get data when everything is at one place.

    3. Re:Compatible licensing means room for both by ashridah · · Score: 1

      Of course, because it's impossible to lie about who you are on the net.

    4. Re:Compatible licensing means room for both by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      I really don't see the point of having all these wikis, it's kinda stupid in my opinion. Joining the wikipedia cryptography project is much more worthwhile. It is much easier to find information and get data when everything is at one place./I>

      To the second part of your comment, I agree, and never meant to imply otherwise. Information certainly is easier to access when it's all in one place. However, and what I was questioning earlier, is whether that's the best way for it to be created.

      I think that information is often created when there aren't too many cooks in the same kitchen, so to speak. Perhaps the best way to get the highest-quality finished product (in Wikipedia) is to let people who are really interested in the subject matter develop the content in side projects, and then bring that information back into the main Wikipedia periodically, so that the public can access it.

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  9. Neal wouldn't let them use 'Cryptonomicon'? by Speare · · Score: 1

    I wonder why they didn't go for the obvious coinage-- the fictional Cryptonomicon was supposed to be a collection of crypto wisdom, much as the Necronomicon was supposedly Lovecraft's book of occult and death.

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    1. Re:Neal wouldn't let them use 'Cryptonomicon'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be cool. Of course they would have to have areas for hardware things like the doorway electromagnet that wipes your data when your place gets raided...

      ? does Neal plan a sequel?

    2. Re:Neal wouldn't let them use 'Cryptonomicon'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His Baroque Cycle is a prequel, sort of. It's comprised of "Quicksilver", "The Confusion", and "System of the World", each of which is about as big as "Cryptonomicon".

  10. Always made me wonder... by bigattichouse · · Score: 1

    I've always kind of wondered if you could use cryptographic principles to enhance communication with a wider audience. Sort of anti-cryptography. Or is there some sort of entropy sort of thing - that you can decrease the understandability of a message, but you can't increase it.

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    1. Re:Always made me wonder... by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

      I've always kind of wondered if you could use cryptographic principles to enhance communication with a wider audience. Sort of anti-cryptography. Or is there some sort of entropy sort of thing - that you can decrease the understandability of a message, but you can't increase it.

      Cryptographic hashes and public key signatures do exactly that. Hashes ensure the integrity of messages, and signatures authenticate them.

    2. Re:Always made me wonder... by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Glad you could think of a coherent answer to that, because I certainly couldn't. If you were able to answer it, you'll probably also know what the guestion consisted of. Could you please post it here? I think it would be very interesting (or at least funny) for the original poster to comment on that as well.

    3. Re:Always made me wonder... by bigattichouse · · Score: 1

      Wasn't much of a question, I suppose. I guess I was thinking along some shaky logic - If cryptography is a tool designed to obfuscate a message, is it possible to create a tool that can make a message more readily understandable.... I suppose my fallacy is that cryptography is a tool to validate the origin of a message, and not necessarily a tool to "scramble" meaning. The answer, which actually got to the point when I didn't, is that my logic was flawed. Cryptography is a tool of validation, so can be used to provide assurance of trust for many in a PKI implementation with the same stroke.

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  11. Forbidden Information by torxic · · Score: 0

    Forbidden
    You don't have permission to access / on this server.

  12. Security implies access by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 2, Funny

    Guess it isn't secure, as proven by its inability to withstand access by slashdoters.

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  13. Did anybody bother to check that link? by causality · · Score: 1
    Forbidden
    You don't have permission to access / on this server.
    This is the result of visiting http://www.cryptodox.com/ which is the link given in the article. Either none of you who are commenting have bothered to check that site (big surprise huh), or the site has just recently decided to pull its index page, perhaps as a result of being slashdotted.

    Either way, I find it hard to believe that no one else has noticed this.
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    1. Re:Did anybody bother to check that link? by Dh2000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was pulled (not defaced, sadly). I loaded a few pages right after it was posted, and it worked. But all links give that message now.

    2. Re:Did anybody bother to check that link? by storem · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Did anybody bother to check that link? by 87C751 · · Score: 1
      MirrorDot - Solving the Slashdot Effect:
      One page at a time.
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    4. Re:Did anybody bother to check that link? by NotQuiteInsane · · Score: 1

      The Coral Cache version still works though: http://www.cryptodox.com.nyud.net:8080/

  14. Must...ban...info...arrgh! by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    You can hear the cries of frustration now coming from washington ( and a few other governments in the world )

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  15. wikis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very similar to www.wikistc.org

  16. 403 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm getting 403

  17. Why Is This Article On Slashdot? by tqbf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Last week we had advisories from the OpenSSL project and the Mozilla team that the two most popular open-source implementations of RSA, probably accounting for the majority of all deployed RSA code, were so badly broken that an arbitrary attacker could generate a valid SSL certificate for Wells Fargo offline and sell it.

    This got no coverage on Slashdot. Ok, fine. Maybe it's a bit esoteric.

    Today, an amateur wiki site on cryptography, with (apparently) fewer articles than even the Wikipedia crypto collection, does get coverage.

    What am I missing here?

    1. Re:Why Is This Article On Slashdot? by causality · · Score: 1

      What must be even more annoying is when someone submits a given article, it is rejected, and then at a later time another person submits the exact same article and it is accepted and put on Slashdot's main page.

      I think these are just signs that Slashdot has grown to where the left hand knows not what the right hand is doing.

      Now sit back and watch while both of us are modded "Offtopic" into oblivion, even though there is no other place to discuss these things.

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    2. Re:Why Is This Article On Slashdot? by clap_hands · · Score: 1

      I agree, neither Wikipedia's crypto stuff or CryptoDox are particularly newsworthy at this point. Or ever.

      I'd just like to point out that when you said, "with (apparently) fewer articles than even the Wikipedia crypto collection", that pretty much every comparable work has fewer articles than the Wikipedia crypto collection; Wikipedia has over a thousand articles on the subject. Now, I'll grant you that the majority are pretty poor, but that's twice as much any other crypto encyclopedia (not that there's a huge choice!)

  18. Short answer: Yes by jd · · Score: 1
    Long answer: Sort-of.


    Even longer answer: There is a mathematical problem, called "The Byzantine General's Problem", which asks a similarish question: "If there are N people in a group, and M of them corrupt any communication that takes place, what is the smallest ratio of honest people to corrupt people that would allow accurate communication to take place?" This is very closely related to crytography and secure comunications. A variant of this problem is used to describe how you would divide a key into fragments, such that if parts of the key are revealed, the message remains secure, and if parts are destroyed, you can still read the message.


    Methods along these lines are used by NASA to make messages from deep space probes "more readable". They don't contain more information, per se, but the message can be damaged in transit by noise and still be perfectly readable. This form of "more readable" certainly therefore exists.


    Now, what about other forms of "more readable"? Well, you're stuck with the semantic information in the original. There's nothing you can do about that, as there are no meaningful semantic parsers for computers at this time. You've a few trivial syntax parsers, but that's it. You can't therefore enhance the meaning, but you MIGHT be able to enhance the delivery. However, this would not be by means of encryption (which is a mathematical process) but by the application of standard rules.


    What about images? Images and sounds are a special case, because these are processed very directly by sensors that can be described mathematically. Unlike a word, which may be processed by the same senses but is then REprocessed by the linguistic centers of the brain, what you see and what you hear goes through a process that is much easier to understand. I do not know if anybody has actually tried the experiment, but I can see no reason why you could not "uncrypt" such data in a way that provides the brain with less noise and more of the key features it is looking for. This would arguably be enhanced from the perspective of understanding, but without experimental data, I don't think anyone could tell you by how much.


    A variant on that theme, which MAY under certain circumstances be possible, would be to both encrypt AND uncrypt. All singal processing is subject to a glitch called aliasing, where two or more distinct inputs produce identical outputs. There is no guarantee that two brains will share an identical set of aliases. In consequence, it should be possible to produce an image comprised entirely of such aliases as exist for the intended recipient. The intended recipient will see the intended image, but nobody who does not share those aliases will. This is encryption, in that we are applying a well-defined reversible mathematical function with a well-defined data set and well-defined key. It merely happens that the key used is biologically stored over a bunch of neural circuitry in the brain. This does have one major strength - duplicating the key is going to be a very very hard problem. It also has one major weakness - your recipient had better not walk into any walls, drink strong liquor or otherwise change their neural key. Make that two weaknesses - nobody has a friggin' clue how to do this kind of stuff.

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  19. WikiProject Cryptography by clap_hands · · Score: 3, Informative

    Disclaimer: I started the English Wikipedia's Cryptography Project page:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject _Cryptography

    CryptoDox seems to be doing the same thing: creating an encyclopedia about cryptography using MediaWiki. To be honest, I don't really understand why this guy wants to do it outside of Wikipedia -- I've asked him, but he's never given any reason for it . Still, he's quite welcome to do what he likes, of course, and since he's now using the GFDL (he was using Creative Commons Non-Commercial last week), we can copy material back and forth between Wikipedia and CryptoDox. So, if you're into crypto and fancy helping out, feel free get involved with either project -- it's a win for both.

    1. Re:WikiProject Cryptography by xsonofagunx · · Score: 1

      That's probably why he's doing it... if you were interested in books by an author, would [normal people, not necessarily you] go to wikipedia to read about them, or would you look for a website about the author/a certain book they've published?

      It's the same case here - if you're looking for info on cryptography, and weren't already knowledgeable that wikipedia had a good crypto project going, you'd probably look for a website that was specifically about disseminating info about cryptography. It's important that it would be included back into the original wikipedia article (and vice versa), because the different sites may have different audiences. It's all about getting the most information out to the greatest amount of people. I know I wouldn't think to go to wikipedia for info on cryptography either - I would now, but that's because I know about the project. In any case, I just want a very detailed, example plagued, 'talking to a drunk retarded 4-year-old' explanation of the Euclidean algorithm [and extended variant] and an example of implementation, because I'll be damned if I can figure it out.

    2. Re:WikiProject Cryptography by clap_hands · · Score: 1

      "you'd probably look for a website that was specifically about disseminating info about cryptography."

      Sure, but most people would start with a Google search:

            http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=cryptograph y

      First result is a Wikipedia article.

      I'm all for getting information out to the greatest amount of people, I just don't think that rebuilding a section of Wikipedia in a separate location (and from scratch) is a particularly good way of doing that.