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Publishing Documentaries on the Internet?

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the if-youtube-can-do-it dept.

gehel asks: "While working in Rwanda as a computer engineer, I've had a discussion with a small NGO that produces video documentaries. Internews produces videos about Rwanda to raise the population awareness on different issues, mainly the Gacaca popular court for reconciliation. Those videos are the shown in public projections all over Rwanda. They would be interested in distributing this content to a larger audience: the internet. They have the rights to their documentaries, and are willing to distribute them under a Creative Common license, so we could use the Internet Archives to host the files, however we'd still have to find a good front end. I have been looking into a couple of solutions. Ourmedia is a bit too complicated to use, the Broadcast Machine doesn't seem ready for prime time, so I'm back to the standard Joomla!. I'm pretty sure there is the perfect solution somewhere, but I cant find it. Could you help me? "The perfect solution would be a Content Management System oriented toward video publishing, that can interact well with the Internet Archives. The ability to create RSS feeds for different media (French/English/Kinyarwanda with high/low quality versions) would be a plus.

Also, if anybody can help us with a good design, then suggestions are welcomed!"

20 comments

  1. YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    or Google Video

  2. Just upload them to the Internet Archive by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative

    Upload them to the Internet Archive and let them do the conversion. They'll generate streamable MPEG4 for you. Upload the best version you can and don't worry about the size; they'll keep the high-res archival version available for people who need it, and generate low-rez versions for viewing.

  3. A good program I recently found by shawn443 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am not sure of the logistics you require but I though I would take the oppurtunity to promote this program I ran across the other day. Its not v1 quality yet but its very promising.

    1. Re:A good program I recently found by gehel · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the answers so far. As I wrote in the article, the problem is not so much the hosting of video files than the front end to put on. We have to integrate it with the NGO's website, put some informations on the videos ... The only suggestion in that direction sofar is getDemocracy, which I dont find really ready for production.

      Anyway, I'll keep looking, and thanks for the help !

  4. Google Video? by Salvance · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why not just upload them to Google Video? There's practically no limit on file size, and you would receive a much broader audience. You would also be able to just embed the videos into your web pages, no need to find a front-end ... although I imagine the quality might be a little lower, and you would have no guarantee that it would stay hosted there.

    Another option may be to host it on the Internet Archive, but then upload a highlight video to Google Videos to raise awareness of the full documentary.

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    1. Re:Google Video? by drac0n1z · · Score: 1

      or youtube, or a torrent site, or name it "debby does dallas.avi" and it will be sure to reach people.

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    2. Re:Google Video? by winnabago · · Score: 1

      and you would have no guarantee that it would stay hosted there.
      Do you know something about Google that I don't? Of all current internet companies, no, of all companies, I would most expect them to be around for the useful lifespan of a documentary. Sure, the wayback machine has a stated goal to archive digital information, but doesn't have the clout of IB....I mean Google.

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    3. Re:Google Video? by Salvance · · Score: 1

      Hehe ... I wish I had inside knowledge about Google, I'd actually be able to start investing in their stock without my hair turning grey from the stress.

      My point was that Google's video offering is a Beta product, like most of Google's products. There's a chance that they might one day decide to start charging for it (at least for longer clips and movies such as documentaries), or just drop it altogether and roll youtube onto the Google homepage. If the documentary writer plans to embed their video and just leave it untouched on the site for months while they go out to film another documentary, Google may not be the best choice ... at least compared with hosting the file somewhere with a permanent file name/location controlled by the author.

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    4. Re:Google Video? by winnabago · · Score: 1

      Good point. I guess it depends if the author is tending toward a viral marketing effort, where search engine hits are very important, or if it needs to be somehow more formal, with sales figures. I don't think I would pay more a than a few bucks for a downloadable video from Google - given the limitations of the GSV (flash) format. From the original submitter's tone, I think they may want a genuine distributor - where quality is higher of a priority.

      GVideo is also known to have removed content through automatic (some believe manual) filtering. It comes up as rejected with no recourse. Documentaries - especially ones about war-stricken areas - have been known to be controversial.

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  5. Documentaries Currently Preach to the Choir by Invidious · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This's something that's always annoyed me about documentaries: people don't get to see them. They show in a very small number of theaters -- I don't care how fantastic it is, I'm not going to travel far out of my way to see one -- and the only people who buy DVDs of the things are the converted Choir, as it were. They're not distributed far enough to make any real impression, to do what they are, by nature, created to do: educate people.

    Documentary filmmakers need to find a way to reach a wider audience. I'd suggest putting them up for DL in limited resolution, but with high quality sound, so that the Documentary stops being an artsy wank-fest and actually becomes a useful tool.

    1. Re:Documentaries Currently Preach to the Choir by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      The problem is more of a catch 22: The documentaries which try to make money are the ones the general public enjoys seeing, the ones which don't try to make money are usually of poor quality, and so don't get seen despite being free.

      Loose change managed to hit the sweet spot where the documentary is of good enough quality to be watchable (but because of the grainy pictures it felt more like a slideshow, and don't get me started on the content). I think the software used to create the documentary, and the archive of free media which can be included in the documentary, is more important for free documentaries than the distribution method.
      As Loose Change showed; if a free documentary is good enough it spreads via word of mouth.

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  6. Netflix by bhima · · Score: 2, Informative

    Of course uploading it to Youtube or Google Video is a good start.

    But I think the real way to do it is come up with some sort of agreement with Rental by Post companies such as Netflix...

    When you say documentary I think Netflix because they have the largest selection on the planet.

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  7. Boring.... by dintech · · Score: 1

    Who wants to watch a documentary about Publishing anyway? :)

  8. my two cents.... by Daytona955i · · Score: 1

    A customized CMS system is what you're looking for, or if you have the knowledge (or people who do) using a web framework like django to build your own isn't as painful as it may first seem.

    I'd like to second google video/uTube as another option to the internet archive, either way, the space for the documentaries shouldn't be a problem.

    As for the design, I'd like to recommend looking at Open Source Web Design. There are a number of great designs on there.

  9. Brightcove by Wheel+Of+Fish · · Score: 1

    How about Brightcove? Also not quite done, but it's already being used by Discovery and MTV. Great front and back end, and the basic account (which sounds like it covers the needs stated) promises to remain free.

  10. cms gvideo youtube and torrents by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 1

    If you are looking for tips on site design or a CMS, I don't have any. You can choose whichever popular (probably PHP based) CMS you are familiar with or whichever one's style appeals to you.

    As for video hosting, I think the Internet Archive is a good start. However, they have been known to censor videos in the past, so you might want to have on site backups that you could quickly switch to. I would also recommend google video because of it's searchability, support for many video formats, and lack of a file size limit. Don't use youtube. Youtube doesn't support many media formats, has ads, and forces you to split up your video into tens of little clips. It's impossible to watch a feature length documentary on youtube. Youtube got popular because it appealed to kids on myspace with ADD who enjoyed watching ten second clips of people getting kicked in the nuts (although there is some useful content if you wade through the crap). The Internet Archive or google video is a much better choice for a serious, hour+ long project.

    You might also want to host a torrent and post links to it on a few of the popular torrent search sites. The big name sites like http://isohunt.com/ and http://thepiratebay.org/ are good. A socio-politically oriented torrent site like http://www.chomskytorrents.org/ might obtain viewers for you as well.

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  11. Make it Ogg by joeljkp · · Score: 1

    Just one suggestion: can you make an Ogg Vorbis/Theora version? It would be a shame to create a documentary, then leave the format subject to patents, etc.

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    1. Re:Make it Ogg by DeanPentcheff · · Score: 1

      But realize that making an Ogg version is a political statement, not a useful video format. Yes, I know that all good nerds have invested the hours of codec shuffling it takes for them to be able to view Ogg, but normal people don't do that. And won't.

      Make sure the content is available in the form your viewers can view.

    2. Re:Make it Ogg by cr0sh · · Score: 1
      Then it should be at least made available in some mpeg format - yes, these are patent protected as well (although IIRC, mpeg-1 isn't anymore?), but I think what the original poster cares about is portability and viewing on a wide range of platforms, and not just Windows (this would mean DVD-R and CD-R burns as well on DVD players, for instance). On this front, mpeg is the obvious choice. Unfortunately, you can't easily apply DRM or other "rights manglement" to it - but for something from an NGO wanting to distribute information far and wide, wouldn't you want it to go to the widest audience possible?


      In the end, it doesn't matter - they will likely go with quicktime or real video (and we can pray that we can read them using mplayer and the "illicit" codec DLLs package)...

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  12. Self serving, yet helpful comment. by jeremy_hogan · · Score: 1

    Try out Lulu TV for doing short videos/trailers/webisodes and Lulu.com for DVD sales. Lulu TV converts to Flash for browser viewing, MP4 for iPod/PSP and 3GP for phones. We support OGG uploads, and will support the Gnash player when it releases. You also get your own RSS feeds, etc.

    I work there, so I could just be a shill. But it's free, so you've nothing to lose by trying.

    We have a guy using Lulu TV for webisodes of a documentary he's filming to raise funds and drive awareness. It's also a good place for all the footage he can't use for the film. He sells the DVDs of another documentary via Lulu.com:

    http://www.lulu.tv/vlog/robhill
    http://www.lulu.com/fortfisherhermit