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What Would Google Decide?

Gary Stock, the guy who invented the Googlewhack, tried a bit of Google election predicting last night. Using a methodology that is entirely indefensible, and which he does not try to defend, Stock asked Google to call the results on Michigan's five referendum questions. The result: Google's answers to two questions were spot-on, two questions were answered correctly but underrepresented the 'yes' vote, and one question was reversed. An 80% accuracy rate has got to beat any number of the pollsters and pundits who have been shouting at us since last August, no?

40 comments

  1. yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And monkeys can throw darts at stock picks and do better than analysts. It means nothing.

  2. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An 80% accuracy rate has got to beat any number of the pollsters and pundits who have been shouting at us since last August, no?

    No!

  3. Voting in the e-age by east+coast · · Score: 5, Funny

    The electronic voting machine I used just yesterday had a "I feel lucky" button on it... Google's influence is far and wide.

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  4. No surprise... by parvenu74 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If Google can find password files and the source code to Diebold's voting machines, they can surely find the pre-determined results to yesterday's vote.

    What -- you thought the election was fair and square and only determined when the ballots were counted last night?

    1. Re:No surprise... by parvenu74 · · Score: 1

      And if you don't think the elections in this country are rigged, then don't take my word for it... watch the documentary evidence of it on Google Video.

    2. Re:No surprise... by MindStalker · · Score: 3, Informative

      They didn't "find" anything, this was determined by hit rate. If 8000 people make webpages supporting an amendment and 4000 people make pages against it, that amendment will likely pass 2/1

    3. Re:No surprise... by iabervon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Shouldn't elections be determined when the ballots are cast, not when they're counted? Or maybe when voters decide how they're going to vote?

    4. Re:No surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What -- you thought the election was fair and square and only determined when the ballots were counted last night?

      There are only voting "irregularities" when Republicans win.

      Didn't you get the memo?

  5. What is whack... by russfeld · · Score: 1

    What is (google)whack, and why are we always out of it?

  6. I tried it for Massachusetts' questions by milgr · · Score: 1

    And googlewhack had a 33% acuracy. I tried my questions in the form:
        "vote yes on question 1" 2006 massachusetts

    as here in Massachusetts, that is how we refer to ballot initiatives.

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  7. Brilliant idea by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People who care enough to blog, care enough to vote. The real answer to this is that he's found a way to construct a poll made up entirely of likely voters, and NO non-voters. I suspect that this 80% accuracy rate will get better as time goes on (and the older Luddites die). I also suspect his accuracy rate would have been somewhat less say, had he used this technique in the 2004 Presidential election (because federal country-wide elections would beat the signal to noise ratio).

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    1. Re:Brilliant idea by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

      . . .the older Luddites die. . .

      Damn kid Luddites these days. Get off my lawnmower!

      KFG

    2. Re:Brilliant idea by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I was just pointing out that people like my Father-in-law, who is afraid to get Comcast Internet service lest his computer make him sick (he's heard too much about these damned computer viruses, and doesn't understand the difference between cyberspace and real space) will *also* never be polled by this method. But 20 years from now they'll all be dead.

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    3. Re:Brilliant idea by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

      I fully understood what you were talking about.

      And boy, are you going to be in for a rude awakening when the new longevity therapies come out. I got lucky, my Father-in-law is already dead. He was computer technology savvy, but caught a bad case of Luddite technology.

      Fireplace poker upside the head. Sometimes the old ways are very effective.

      KFG

    4. Re:Brilliant idea by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Just wanted to make sure. This is, after all, an autistic medium, stripping the emotion out of the writing as it is transmitted.

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    5. Re:Brilliant idea by kfg · · Score: 1

      There's an aspie in there somewhere, but I think I'll leave it alone, lest it get taken literally.

      KFG

    6. Re:Brilliant idea by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1
      I got lucky, my Father-in-law is already dead. He was computer technology savvy, but caught a bad case of Luddite technology.
      You haven't heard of the Sarcophagus, have you? :)
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    7. Re:Brilliant idea by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      He's in there because he's taken. Literally.

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  8. Not Surprising by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This surprises me not at all. Usually the vote follows wherever the majority of marketing money is spent. Marketing works, that's why people spend so much money on it. Google results probably mirror the amount of marketing pretty well, although if one group ignored online marketing or concentrated on one other form, it might be off.

    I'm actually very discouraged by the Michigan elections, not because I think all the votes went the wrong way, but because 99% of the people I talked to about an issue could repeat what they heard in a television ad, but had obviously not thought the issue through at all beyond that. I was 100% right in my predictions of the election, based simply on the TV ads.

    1. Re:Not Surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if I agree. I live in Michigan too (Ann Arbor, specifically) and I saw all the same commercials. Dick DeVos spent a LOT more than Jennifer Granholm on his ad campaign, and lost by a fairly large margin; I also saw many more commercials against the MCRI (the amendment to ban affirmative action by the state, for you non-Michiganders) and that passed by an even stronger margin.

      I'd say that ads have a fairly large influence on elections, because too many people rely on them for their information - but they don't change people's basic minds or attitudes, and that limits their influence to the uninformed and the undecided.

    2. Re:Not Surprising by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Dick DeVos spent a LOT more than Jennifer Granholm on his ad campaign, and lost by a fairly large margin...

      Do you have numbers on this? Do they include the $150 million of state funds Granholm basically handed to Ford as a PR move?

      I also saw many more commercials against the MCRI (the amendment to ban affirmative action by the state, for you non-Michiganders) and that passed by an even stronger margin.

      Again, I'm not sure of the numbers on this one, but I saw quite a few ads in both directions with regard to that amendment. I suppose it depends upon what TV a person watches.

      I'd say that ads have a fairly large influence on elections, because too many people rely on them for their information - but they don't change people's basic minds or attitudes, and that limits their influence to the uninformed and the undecided.

      I disagree with this. Ads shape the debate in the minds of many. I heard a dozen people argue for banning dove hunting, for example and while factually they believed hunting doves was already illegal (it had been legal for 4 years) I also heard every argument revolve around the ethics of killing doves, not the ethics of taking that decision away from individuals and having the government choose for everyone. Look at the abortion debate's "pro-choice" (not pro abortion) discussions for a parallel. Most people never even considered the freedom of choice aspect, which was the important part of the issue.

  9. "Better Know A District" predicted it by kurtmckee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > An 80% accuracy rate has got to beat any number of the pollsters and pundits who have been shouting at us since last August, no?

    No. Stephen Colbert noted last night that everyone who was featured on his segment "Better Know A District" won last night. I think a humorous 100% is better than an indefensible 80%.

    1. Re:"Better Know A District" predicted it by Dionysus · · Score: 1

      I think he mentioned that one of his interview subjects lost. Still did very well, though :-)

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    2. Re:"Better Know A District" predicted it by CorSci81 · · Score: 1

      All of the incumbents in the districts he featured were re-elected, but not everyone he interviewed. Sometimes, as in the case of Waxman (my rep), he interviewed the "challenger" because the incumbent couldn't be bothered to interview. ;) Basically none of the districts he chose were in any way truly competitive.

    3. Re:"Better Know A District" predicted it by alienmole · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Sometimes, as in the case of Waxman (my rep), he interviewed the "challenger" because the incumbent couldn't be bothered to interview. ;)
      "Couldn't be bothered" is not an accurate characterization. Many politicians are afraid to go on Stephen Colbert. Nancy Pelosi has advised Democrats not to appear. Similar admonitions have gone out on the Republican side. These people don't really understand the show, or the younger-than-them generations which watch it, so all they see is people being made fun of and they can't understand how that could possible help a candidate. So a better characterization would be "chicken" or maybe "shit-scared".
    4. Re:"Better Know A District" predicted it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      These people don't really understand the show, or the younger-than-them generations which watch it, so all they see is people being made fun of and they can't understand how that could possible help a candidate. So a better characterization would be "chicken" or maybe "shit-scared".
      Actually, I can't understand how it would help a candidate, either. I watch the show, laugh along, etc., but I would never make a decision based on anything I watched on it. The interviews are over the top, which is funny, but often don't actually address any real issues.

      Leave the comedy to the comedians. Politicians invariably suck at making jokes. I'm sure we all remember Dubya trying to be funny on Letterman. If you want to have a serious discussion about policy, you're not going to get with the sound bite format of the Colbert Report. And just being skewered doesn't make you any more popular with young people, who hardly vote anyway; they're laughing at you, not with you.

      Politicians have made bigger fools of themselves. But there has to be a payoff. I haven't seen anything on the Colbert Report's interviews that would actually sway voters in a positive way. It's just chuckles. "Oh, look at that stupid politician getting grilled, ha ha ha." (Ignoring that none of us would probably do any better against slick editing and aggressive interview techniques. I guess that makes it more an indictment of the media, particularly the Fox News wing of it.)
  10. Way to cook up a new t-shirt catchphrase... by skuzzlebutt · · Score: 1

    Hm...how should I vote on initiative 7? Well, WWGD?

    (shudders and skulks off into dark corner to tie socks into noose)

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  11. Errata: by kfg · · Score: 1

    ". . .aspie joke. . ."

    There's a dyslexia joke in there somewhere; and I'm it.

    KFG

    1. Re:Errata: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember a very important lesson: LOLJEWS - Wolf Bearclaw

  12. I'm an old-fashioned kind of guy by davidwr · · Score: 1

    I use an 8-ball to help me vote.

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    1. Re:I'm an old-fashioned kind of guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee, that seems like an awful waste of perfectly good cocaine...

  13. Not really by parvenu74 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You're assuming everyone votes on the day of the election. Some states offer "early voting" up to a couple weeks before the voting date, and all of them offer absentee ballots.

    Personally, I think voting shouldn't be a single day but should last for eleven days; for example: from the first Friday in November until the end of the Monday eleven days hence, with "the count so far" results being published at noon on days 4 (Monday), 7 (Thursday), and 10 (Sunday), with final (as much as possible, anyway) number announced at noon the day following the close of the polls (Tuesday, day 12). This would provide a whole lot more incentive for folks who haven't voted yet to get off their lazy buts when the preliminary numbers are published and their candidate/issue is behind. I bet we'll get 80+ percent turnout on most elections this way.

    1. Re:Not really by Associate · · Score: 1

      I don't think results should be published or released until all votes are in. This helps get rid of strategic voting and more accurately reflects the publics wishes.

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    2. Re:Not really by Ninjaesque+One · · Score: 1

      Personally, I think we should pull an Australia and slap $5,000 dollar fines to people who don't vote.

      99.99% voting rate, here we come!

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  14. Re: Monkey Dart Stocks by santiago · · Score: 1

    Actually, it means that humans are so bad at predicting a system as complex as the stock market and trying to play catch up to past trends that a random selection of stocks typically outperforms even ostensible experts, so just go invest in some index funds already.

  15. Re: Monkey Dart Stocks by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

    but but but, index funds have non-random selections of stocks! I'm ready to follow your investment advice, but I can't!

    I could always throw darts at a stock-ticker but how will I know if that's random enough?

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  16. Probability that 4 out of 5 is random guessing by tangent3 · · Score: 1
  17. favor betting markets by khallow · · Score: 1

    I favor betting markets like TradeSports, the Iowa Election Markets, or the Foresight Exchange. But they don't cover everything and they can be just as wrong as anything else. For example, the markets were predicting a 75% or so chance in the not so distant past that the Republicans would keep a majority in the Senate. That didn't happen, of course.

  18. Only in a dictatorship... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only in a dictatorship is everyone required to vote.

    Then again, you were talking about Austrailia, which is run by lap dogs for the new world order.