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The BBC On RMT

Real Money Transfer (RMT) is a contentious subject among MMOG players, but not something usually addressed by major news organizations. Joystiq has up a post on the BBC's coverage of gold farming in World of Warcraft , with a reporter 'live from Ironforge' addressing the issue. "The BBC has taken a straight look at Chinese gold farmers in the World of Warcraft. We'd fear for our own jobs when MSM begin competently portraying game news — thankfully, gold farming is old news and has already been well documented in the last two years, so we feel relatively safe. The piece takes a look at your typical Chinese gold farming operation, with some nifty use of green-screen by the reporter being magically teleported into the game. At least it wasn't another WoW game addiction piece."

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  1. Notice: Video Link by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you don't watch videos while you slashdot, you're not going to get much out of the link.

    It's nice when the summary says something about a video, although I've been here too long to expect that out of Zonk.

    Personally I'd like to see only videos with transcripts posted on slashdot, but probably that's just me.

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    1. Re:Notice: Video Link by dougmc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Personally I'd like to see only videos with transcripts posted on slashdot, but probably that's just me.
      That would be nice. Though in this case, what set this story apart was not really the story itself (it's nothing we didn't already know) but the green screen work that Zonk mentioned. It's kinda cute seeing the reporter walking around in the WoW world -- clever. I'm surprised I haven't seem more reporters doing that.

      On the plus side, at least it's a video type that plays easily under Linux (x86, granted. And only with a 32 bit browser, blech.) The flash video players really have taken the world by storm -- even msnbc.com uses them now, and now I can even see their movies without switching computers.

    2. Re:Notice: Video Link by malsdavis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the fact that it was a multiplayer gaming story covered by the most watched daily news program in the U.K. is also what sets the story apart. Can you imagine ABC World News reporting on gold farming?

      Its certainly one of the biggest incidences of mainstream press coverage given to a purely on-line gaming story yet. Yet more evidence of societies changing attitudes towards on-line gaming.

  2. Re:Clearly The Solution Is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blizzard has 8 million people paying $15 per month...they lose if MMOs go away.

  3. Re:Clearly The Solution Is... by morari · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nah, they could just put out Diablo III, or a sequel to Rock 'n' Roll Racing. ;)

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  4. Re:Clearly The Solution Is... by faloi · · Score: 4, Funny

    To just make sure MMOs are no longer created or supported, that way the gaming industry can get back to genres that matter and all of the losers that waste their time on WoW can commit suicide.

    Fess up...you got banned for botting, didn't you?

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  5. Re:Clearly The Solution Is... by Tofystedeth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And D3 would be any better than WoW? Different I suppose, but still a grind/collection game with less to go and do than WoW.

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  6. Re:Clearly The Solution Is... by morari · · Score: 1

    No monthly fee or other people to bring down the atmosphere or experience. Oh, and a story, that way you can feel some sense of accomplishment for advancing. Yeah, that'd be cool.

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  7. Goldfarmers by El+Lobo · · Score: 0
    I don't really think that those goldfarmers make a lot of real gold. maybe in China they get some decent money but by western measures, no way José... I am getting spammed a lot while playing WoW these days. Spammers just whisper to everybody the name of a (chinese) site where you can buy 100 WoW gold for about 3 euros.... I have A LOT of WoW contacts and of course nobody use their services. (or nobody that I know anyway).

    the majority of the people realizes that is cool to get the money and items by playing and not by paying... OTOH if this busines exists is because there is a demand for it, but that I will never understand.

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  8. Ban the buyers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Don't go after the gold farmers. They are a hydra. You can't eliminate them, they create new accounts all the time.

    Ban the people who buy from them. They can't create new accounts so easily. They are the source of the money - they are the people who have something to lose. I bet gold farming services wouldn't be so popular if users felt they might lose everything.

    1. Re:Ban the buyers by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      Meh I don't see how its such a problem really. In the end, it comes down to why you are playing the game, and that varies from person to person.

      The problem is that, the real purists. The people who actually WANT to "role play" or see the game model a real "economy in a vaccuume" (where there isn't some unseen force outside that makes things move around... think about it... real money makes for a "supernatural" force making people move in game goods around for reasons that don't make sense in game)... well... guess what... RPers and their ilk are far and few between.

      Alot of people like to casually play. I mean some lvl whatever something or other gets on (Ive played these games but not WoW itself), does it really matter, in the grand scheme of things, whether he got that way by playing for days and days on his own, or bought a char last week?

      The reason I will never pick up another MMORPG is very simple... I am a casual gamer. I am not looking for a relationship damnit! I want to come in, play the game, and then go do something else. I don't care what happens day to day... I don't care who else plays. I enjoy the time I play, and I make the best of it... and then... I want to do something else.

      Hence, I totally understand buying a char. You get to skip all the powerleveleing, skip all of the "job" aspect of the game, and get right into the PvP, which would have been why I bought the god damned game in the first place.

      I also see why people hate it... but honestly... who are they going to cater to?

      What interests me more is the possibilities for money laundering. Think about it... there is now a total virtual economy. If I wanted to give you a million dollars and obscure where it came from, and was willing to pay the associated "fees" (differences in buying and selling exchange rates basically would be amounting to a fee), I could just transfer you gold and things in game until you had enough to trade for the amount of money I was trying to give you.

      Hell if we do it right, it should be damned hard to trace whats really going on, it could be made to either look legit or at least hard to figure out.

      Maybe this isn't robust enough for signifigant laundering... but... as these sorts of economies flourish, I do have to wonder.....

      -Steve

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    2. Re:Ban the buyers by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      If PvP is what you're after, why would you buy an RPG anyway? That's like buying a set of pokemon cards because you enjoy paintball.

      I do however see a point you've made that Blizzard hadn't addressed, and won't address: Most of the game isn't really very much fun. If it were, people wouldn't be paying good money to avoid it.

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    3. Re:Ban the buyers by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Exactly, did I not say that I wont pick up another one? :)

      My current dru^H^H^Hgame of choice is BF2142. In theory I really like the idea of MMORPGs, and even the RP aspects could be fun. In practice though, I just like playing against other people and want to game in a casual manner. I really don't want to have to keep up with the joneses, and thats a big aspect of those games. I don't like playing for hours every night, for weeks on end, just to find out no....i still have not powerleveld enough to play.

      At least in BF even if I start a new char, the base level char can have an effect in the game and be effective. So I can game casually and the ranks give me new bonuses and new things to shoot for in the game... but its still damned fun even as a "recruit"

      Its much like my attitude in other areas of life. Sure, sometimes I see the allure of a "relationship" but overall... I want something casual, something fun. If it turns out to be something I devote a lot to, thats fine.... but I am not looking for something that I HAVE to devote lots to if I want to get anything out of it at all. And much like the analogy I am using, I have learned that its best to be honest and upfront about that, both with myself and the "games" I choose.

      I may play for weeks and weeks and end up devoting the rest of my life to a game... but if its all or nothing, I am not going to play at all. And generally, I am no early adopter either. I like to know a game has been around and gotten a lot of play before I start with it....wait... what was I talking about?

      -Steve

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    4. Re:Ban the buyers by razorh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A lot of people like to casually play. I mean some lvl whatever something or other gets on (I've played these games but not WoW itself), does it really matter, in the grand scheme of things, whether he got that way by playing for days and days on his own, or bought a char last week?

      To many people who have played these games extensively, yes, it matters quite a bit actually. Someone who puts time in to level a char up from scratch and puts in hundreds of hours of real game play is generally (not always) going to be a much better player and have a much better idea of how their char/class should be played. People who buy or power level their way up without taking the time to really learn what they are doing don't have the understanding, skill, and discipline required to tackle many of the higher level encounters. These games were not meant to be 'casual games' and can't really be lumped into the same class as your typical FPS or 1 player rpg. If you have put in the time to acquire the knowledge needed to play well, yes there are shortcuts. If you've maxed out 2 or 3 char's the hard way... absolutely it's acceptable to take a shortcut here and there. If you are just a 'casual' player, pay for gold/plat, and power level your first char up, you will miss much of what others have learned through hours of play. Fortunately, players like this are generally pretty easy to spot and can be avoided as they tend to make mistakes that regularly cost much time and frustration to more seasoned players.

    5. Re:Ban the buyers by lessthan · · Score: 1

      I play WOW and I don't think there is anything more annoying than a high lvl char asking where Darn (a major city) is. Especially when they have better gear than I do.

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    6. Re:Ban the buyers by C0rinthian · · Score: 1

      What if you want pvp in some genre besides FPS? (shocking, I know) MMO's are really your only choice.

    7. Re:Ban the buyers by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      I understand your frustration. Though, there is a difference between something causing frustration and something being "wrong". Its like, going back to my own analogies, a casual lover who gets upset when they found out their fuckbuddy is seeing other people.

      Its quite understandable. People get attached. That doesn't mean you have some real entitlement to stop them. It doesn't mean they have done anything wrong because they hurt your feelings.

      Your annoyed.... why? Cuz they didn't enjoy the early stages of the game and paid to skip it? You feel somehow entitled because you got there by playing yourself?

      How do you FEEL when you are standing in line at the airport and the guy who bought first class tickets strolls past you to a VIP line and checks in in under 5 mins when you are stuck in the line for coach?

      Not that I am saying your feelings are invalid, or I don't understand them, just that you know... Blizzard are the only people with the right to make them stop.

      -Steve

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  9. Re:Clearly The Solution Is... by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So.. blizzard should trade millions of people paying over a hundred dollars a year (that's right, with 8 million subscribers, they can gross a billion dollars a year. That's more revenue than some countries.)

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  10. Both sides of mouth by Randym · · Score: 2, Funny
    I was quite amused to see that the *first two ads* (via googlesyndication) at the top of the page were for *gold farming*:

    WoW Gold - Quick Delivery

    Low Prices on All Servers! Quick & Safe Delivery 24/7

    www.XXXXXX.com

    Cheapest WoW Gold

    Buy Gold Directly from Gamers Prices as Low as $0.69/Units!

    XXXXXX.com

    (actual sites X'd out by me)

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  11. Re:Clearly The Solution Is... by MontyApollo · · Score: 1

    Nah, they could just put out Diablo III, or a sequel to Rock 'n' Roll Racing...

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    1. Re:Win Slashdot Cheap! by xerxesVII · · Score: 1

      Sad thing is, on a certain level I'm intrigued.

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  13. Re:Clearly The Solution Is... by morari · · Score: 1

    Mmhm. I'm glad we're on the same page with this. Would you care to sign my petition for WoW's end?

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  14. Re:Clearly The Solution Is... by MontyApollo · · Score: 1

    >>Would you care to sign my petition for WoW's end?

    I would be torn...it might mean Starcraft 2 would arrive sooner, but all those WoW people would move to LOTRO and clog up the chat with their whining that LOTRO is not as good as WoW.

  15. Re:Clearly The Solution Is... by Rakarra · · Score: 2, Insightful
    (that's right, with 8 million subscribers, they can gross a billion dollars a year.

    Except they aren't. You're making the incorrect assumption of 8billion * $15. What you need to do is take the number of American subscribers, subtract from that the number of accounts that are merely free trial accounts (a great number of which are used by the gold sellers to spam), and you get the amount of money brought in in America. Then, for each market, figure out how it's priced (China is a huge market and they pay nowhere close to $15/month). We hear a lot about how many subscribers WoW has, but the actual amount of income is another matter.

  16. Agreed by pslam · · Score: 1
    We don't need people that that kind of mentality in the game at all. They are the problem.


    There are people who understand how gold sellers are BAD for the game, and there are those who either use them or don't play the game. It's always like that - supporters are either somebody writing a template essay at school on the matter (and do the usual inconclusive style essay that schools love), or they're active users.

    The problem is that people who use gold sellers aren't actually playing the game. Most of the time they aren't any good at the game, ironically because they bought their way to their status rather than earned it through their own achievements. I shudder to think what these people must be like in real life.

  17. National News coverage on the important issue by malsdavis · · Score: 1

    I was really surprised to see this on the national news, especially since BBC news is by far and above the most popular nightly news program in the UK (undoubtedly due to its lack of commercials).

    It was kind of amusing, the studio news readers (and probably most the country) didn't really understand the report, although the guy actually presenting the report thankfully obviously knew what he was talking about.

  18. Shame it's a rubbish report by pslam · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Sadly the report didn't really understand the issues either. This is a typical shitty "fair two sided report" you get from the BBC these days. Someone must have told them a while ago that all reports must be fair and impartial, but these days all the second rate journalists take that to stupid extremes.

    This gives far too much credibility to the arguments gold sellers and gold buyers make. They are so, so easy to counter and refute, but did you see how much air time they gave the Blizzard rep? 15 seconds.

    Did you see the shitty argument the "Gamer" called "Ryan" made? He has a full time job, and therefore he can't complete. Oh my god, you aren't a gamer, Ryan, you're just a delusional loser with an inadequacy complex. Then the BBC report bought the whole argument and went with it...

    The whole "job vs gold" argument is a false dichotomy invented by the people that buy and sell gold. It doesn't exist. You can play the game perfectly well along side a full time job, still have a social life, and still "compete" (as the "gamer" "ryan" puts it). Some people suffer from an inadequacy complex more than others, I guess.

    1. Re:Shame it's a rubbish report by pslam · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Not to mention that for 3 minutes of the 3:17 clip, they go on about the whole thing as if it's actually something allowed by the game. It isn't. Blizzard invented the game, they invented the rules, and they say it's cheating, so by definition it's cheating.

      Again, they only give 15 seconds of the damn report to that. They give no time to mention the hideous pay and conditions the gold farmers have to work under either...

    2. Re:Shame it's a rubbish report by malsdavis · · Score: 1

      I think the report made it fairly clear that the process is banned and it mentioned how many accounts are frequently deleted because of it.

      You have to remember that the report was on national news so a large proportion of the report really had to be spent introducing not just gold farming, but the entire game and its format (i.e. what a MMORPG is) etc. as most people watching probably had no idea what WoW is, let alone gold farming.

    3. Re:Shame it's a rubbish report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a typical shitty "fair two sided report" you get from the BBC these days

      Still, it's better than the usual "lets twist the facts of every story to suit our target viewers' particular political ideology" that most U.S. national news organizations have started doing lately.

      I'd rather hear both sides even when it's obvious one side is wrong, than have the TV station always decide which side is right or wrong for me!