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Search Sites Unveil Privacy Plans

Klaidas sends us word of BBC coverage of action on privacy by the top four search sites. Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, and Ask have introduced plans to reduce the data they store and how long they store it. From the article: "The rush to improve privacy policies was started by Google in March when it announced it would start deleting the final parts of the individual address it collects from each user's computer after 18 months... Microsoft is expected to make a similar announcement to separate the identifying address and other data from searches after 18 months. The information will be held for longer if users request it. Yahoo said it would delete identifying addresses and cookies after 13 months... Ask is taking the most radical step by unveiling plans for a tool called AskEraser which, it claims, will let people tune whether data is gathered about them on a search-by-search basis."

34 comments

  1. Wasn't it the EU? by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The rush to improve privacy policies was started by Google in March when it announced it would start deleting the final parts of the individual address it collects from each user's computer after 18 months..."
    Umm, wasn't it because the EU forced Google to change their policies?

    I certainly hope the AskEraser turns out to be solid as I would switch for good, but I'm prepared to be disappointed.
    1. Re:Wasn't it the EU? by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I certainly hope the AskEraser turns out to be solid as I would switch for good, but I'm prepared to be disappointed. AskEraser seems like the only one that will actually accomplish its goal.

      They're really going to throw away your search information, not just 'anonymize' it.

      Everyone else is hedging their bet with weasel words like "legally compelled to do so." Which means the government can wave some legal papers around and your data is retained indefinitely.
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    2. Re:Wasn't it the EU? by ushering05401 · · Score: 1

      "Which means the government can wave some legal papers around and your data is retained indefinitely."

      No paper waving required... Wording and default settings are all that is needed to confuse most users.

      Wording example: Would you like your search results optimized to your preferences = you agreed to let us have the data forever.

      Default example: Any user can choose not to request their data be stored by clicking a box on a settings screen indicating that they are NOT requesting the search company to store their data.

      Regards.

    3. Re:Wasn't it the EU? by bdjacobson · · Score: 1

      Well, it already is, as I learned recently. So this means nothing to me. What I'm interested in now is 100% encrypted communication between search servers. If they did that, and then allowed me to 100% anonymize my search data (using a freely viewiable, verifiably applied to all servers open source solution), then that would be an act of good faith sufficient for me to say "ok, keep the data, I can see with my own eyes that it is truly anonymized; any company willing to go that far can keep it in my book".

      Until then, isn't it jolly we're all up in arms over entirely the wrong thing? I.E., the threat here from Google's non-anonymized search data is much less than AT&T's reacharound with the NSA.

    4. Re:Wasn't it the EU? by bombastinator · · Score: 1

      I'm in agreement. If ask implements this and it works as described it is going to become my new desktop accessory. Right now you can do the job with www.scroogle.com, but it has some small disadvantages.

    5. Re:Wasn't it the EU? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The rush to improve privacy policies was started by Google in March when it announced it would start deleting the final parts of the individual address it collects from each user's computer after 18 months..."

      Umm, wasn't it because the EU forced Google to change their policies?

      Yes, but remember that for true fans Google is the first to do everything because they can do no evil. It's like all the Firefox fans who think Firefox invented tabbed browsing, or MS fans who think .Net is something new.

      The sad part is that the Slashdot editors didn't mention EU in the summary... but it doesn't sound so good to say: "The rush to improve privacy policies was involuntarily started by Google in March under pressure from EU"
    6. Re:Wasn't it the EU? by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's not the EU, maybe it's just that they're sick of catering to the US government's "privacy" policy.

  2. Kudos to ask.... by xednieht · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Internet begins with I, and I want to choose how long any of them would be able to save identifying data.

    Well... at least 1 of the 4 got it right.

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    1. Re:Kudos to ask.... by sinkemlow · · Score: 1

      The sad part is this concept is described as "radical" in the summary.

    2. Re:Kudos to ask.... by AlHunt · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      ixquick.com claims they only store data for 2 weeks. Set Firefox to delete all cookies every time it shuts down. It's the best I've come up with quick and easy.

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    3. Re:Kudos to ask.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the 18 months comes from EU regulations. Not sure how Ask and Yahoo are getting around that one... or they're just lying to get good PR.

    4. Re:Kudos to ask.... by AlHunt · · Score: 1

      Really? "Flamebait"? Pray tell, how?

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  3. OK - that's the front end by no-body · · Score: 0, Troll
    Any backdoor data rention deals are not revealed since it would compromise national (US) security.

    Whom do you trust more - or less for that matter:

    • Google
    • Microsoft
    • Yahoo
    • Ask
    (just kidding - they're probably all the same when it comes to those black SUV driving up)
    1. Re:OK - that's the front end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, take a look at which one of them already basically said "fuck you" to the government when they were asked for search results.

      As much as people like to say "OMG Google is killing my privacy!" they're the only ones who have shown that they won't bend over for someone who wants your information.

  4. Poppycock by Eighty7 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Buried as innacurate. Nobody uses Ask.com

    1. Re:Poppycock by Penguinshit · · Score: 3, Funny

      I had to Google them to find out who they were....

    2. Re:Poppycock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that the site that used to be Ask Jeeves? The one with that butler guy?

      Memory grows fuzzy...

    3. Re:Poppycock by Alexpkeaton1010 · · Score: 1

      True, but I will be using them if they implement this feature.

  5. Another layer of security? by transiency · · Score: 1

    Jul 23 19:11:42.637 [notice] Tor v0.1.1.26. This is experimental software. Do not rely on it for strong anonymity. It appears that these new search engine privacy tools will add another layer of security?
  6. New "privacy" policy by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Funny

    1) You didn't have any then
    2) You won't get any now
    3) You'll never know if we keep your stuff or not
    4) Just try and prove anything
    5) You're a sucker if you believe we actually abide by some silly "privacy" policy
    6) Hahahahaha...

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    1. Re:New "privacy" policy by wizzahd · · Score: 2, Funny
      here, I fixed it for you:

      1) You didn't have any then
      2) You won't get any now
      3) You'll never know if we keep your stuff or not
      4) Just try and prove anything
      5) You're a sucker if you believe we actually abide by some silly "privacy" policy
      6) Hahahahaha...
      7) ???
      8) Profit!!
  7. logs about deleting logs about... by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ask is taking the most radical step by unveiling plans for a tool called AskEraser which, it claims, will let people tune whether data is gathered about them on a search-by-search basis."

    AHA! But what happens to the logs from the AskEraser tool?

    *runs for cover*

    (Psst. Serious side note: with AT&T and others happily giving the NSA and others big fat listening tubes, who cares...about the end points? Besides, a 6 month retention policy gives Google plenty of time to do all sorts of analysis. They probably don't need *any* bits of your IP after a few days...)

  8. Out of touch with reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The information will be held for longer if users request it"

    What world are they living on, exactly?

  9. Much ado about nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There will be no privacy until both the server and the client exchange practically all data in an encrypted format and the networks allow that to happen. Anything else is just PR.

  10. Clusty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I started using Clusty search engine http://clusty.com/ intially because of their privacy policy. I honestly thought, quite scepically, that it wouldn't be much good and within a few weeks I would end up going back to Google. That was one year ago. Fact is, Clusty is a superior search engine and I couldn't live without it now. It's the default search on all my browsers. Once you get the concept, that it clusters data into semantic groups, Google seems like a poor second.

  11. This is great. by jez9999 · · Score: 1

    So I presume that, in this new spirit of protecting personal privacy, governments will stop requiring ISPs to retain user data, reduce the number of unnecessary CCTV cameras, stop flaunting US wiretap laws, as well as passing some legislation that gives companies something more than a slap on the wrist for leaking millions of customer credit card records?

  12. Already Dropped Google by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

    And switched to Ask. I dropped Verizon when the news broke about their data habits. People need to start voting with their feet. It's the only regulation we'll ever see of what these companies do.

    1. Re:Already Dropped Google by mdm-adph · · Score: 1

      Too bad that it's simply impossible for a lot of people to switch when there's only one or two providers in your area.

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