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World's First Massively Multiplayer Forecast Game?

krou writes "The Institute of the Future will soon be launching what it calls the first massively multiplayer forecast game, billed as The Superstruct Game. According to the game's FAQ, the idea is to 'imagine how we might solve the problems we'll face.' Interestingly, the game itself is meant to be played 'on forums, blogs, videos, wikis, and other familiar online spaces.' From the IFTF website's sneak peak, the game is set in the year 2019, where the Global Extinction Awareness System (GEAS) has forecast the possibility of human extinction by the year 2042 as the result of five simultaneous 'super-threats': Quarantine, which is a result from 'declining health and pandemic disease'; Ravenous, which relates to the global collapse of the world food system; Power Struggle, related to the flux of power 'as nations fight for energy supremacy and the world searches for alternative energy solutions'; Outlaw Planet, covering increased surveillance and loss of liberties; and, lastly, Generation Exile, which covers the massive increase in refugees."

39 comments

  1. Lame by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Just what we need, propaganda games. I bet the conditions for winning are based in their political ideology.

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    1. Re:Lame by moderatorrater · · Score: 1

      They had an awful summary of Outlaw Planet, since that's the one I'm most interested in seeing discussions on (preferably without '1984' references - think for yourself, please*). Instead, it's how governments are struggling to deal with the increase in hacking, spam, etc online, which has reached epidemic proportions!!!!1!11!! Haxors are hacking banks and getting the money to buy World of Starcraft credits online! (I'm not making this up)

      Hackers cannot and will never be able to strike anywhere and everywhere with impunity. There's a limit to the number of exploits, and if it really reached the proportions they were talking about in their promo video, they would do the unthinkable and *gasp* stop making those systems available to the internet! Tsunami sensors giving false hits because of spam? That's ridiculous, and anyone who would allow something like that to happen should be shot.

      Hacking, spam, and the ease of exploiting online resources are things that should be discussed, but this takes them to extremes and provides viewpoints that are skewed. They leave out some of the more interesting possibilities of a government that's out of control with surveillance on their populace and the hacker underground that fights them.

      *1984 was a good book, and George Orwell was a good writer. Unfortunately, every time the slightest comparison can be made to 1984, people quote it like it's scripture and a bunch of people throw their hands into the air and yell, "Amen!" George Orwell was a man, not a prophet. Make an intelligent argument or none at all, please.

    2. Re:Lame by Nasajin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they should just stick to non-ideological games. Like Army of Two.

    3. Re:Lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same with World of Warcraft. Damned Alliance...

    4. Re:Lame by ewanm89 · · Score: 1

      Tsunami data stop moving because someone finds a very successful BIND attack and the worlds DNS goes down is more likely.

    5. Re:Lame by wickedsteve · · Score: 1

      Maybe instead of basing it on ideology they should run simulations on a supercomputer to find likely real world threats. Oops did I spoil TFA for you?

    6. Re:Lame by ramon_omar · · Score: 1

      I clearly am in the minority on this one--on /. and in general I suppose--in that i find the concept fascinating. After reading the summaries and FAQ I'm not sure there are "winning conditions" as we commonly think of them. Call me a naive leftist, but it sound highly intriguing.

    7. Re:Lame by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      Call me skeptical, but all games have to have rules and conditions for winning. The people who develop the game determine the rules, goals, and conditions for winning/success.

      Here is a simplistic example:

      If one starts with the beliefs:

      • The only way to save the planet is to reduce our carbon footprint
      • Gas powered cars are the cause of big carbon footprints
      • Electric cars have little to no carbon footprint

      If one sets the goal/winning condition of the game to be "Save the planet", then one of the rules will be "If the ration of gas powered cars to electric cars is greater than X then one can not reduce the carbon foot print enough to win". And, it completely ignores the increased need to increase electric capacity and infrastructure to support the electric cars, not to mention the pollution from making and disposing of the batteries.

      The beliefs of the designers and developers determine the rules of how the game works. Even with a nebulous goal, the rules guide the solution.

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  2. haha... post rapture forecasts.. by marcushnk · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd love to see this run as a Post Rapture forecast game... how much more interesting and less populated the world would be "post rapture"

    heh...

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    1. Re:haha... post rapture forecasts.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always thought rapture was about space colonisation. Turns out it's about people being airlifted by devine magic.

      I felt so silly when I found out.

    2. Re:haha... post rapture forecasts.. by Walkingshark · · Score: 1

      What most people don't realize is, the Rapture already happened. It was in 1987, and unfortunately only one person qualified, a rather reclusive gentleman from Newark who only left the house to collect his social security check or go to church.

      This IS the tribulation. Fun, isn't it?

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  3. Not the first... by cmdean · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I play the stockmarket.

    1. Re:Not the first... by suso · · Score: 1

      Hehe, exactly. And it was online before all others really.

  4. So... by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

    Lets make another game! Lets call it a political MMORPG. You predict what the US will be in 2 years when Obama/McCain or another president becomes in charge. Oh, never mind the fact that unless you say that the world would be a wonderful place if whoever I want to win the election, you lose.

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    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's too easy. Just say stuff that both sides agree with. "A McCain administration would be just as successful, glorious, and divinely-inspired as the Bush administration."

  5. World of Weathercraft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Woohoo, I just predicted a hurricane will attack land later tonight!

  6. This actually looks really fun by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

    I'd play it. Good way to take out my frustration at the ignorant ignoring and frustrating solution of the real issues of the world today:-(

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    1. Re:This actually looks really fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about being part of the answer instead of waiting for others to legislate the answer. your kind of thinking is the same kind of thinking that brought about stuff like the patriot act and the dmca.

    2. Re:This actually looks really fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree - playing fictional post-apocalyptic games is a good way to voice your dissent and interest in global issues.

  7. What's up with the preview? by SL+Baur · · Score: 1

    I click on the buttons and Nothing Happens. Slashdotted?

  8. Did it already by DriedClexler · · Score: 2, Informative

    I guess InTrade wasn't good enough?

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    1. Re:Did it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I guess InTrade wasn't good enough?

      Well, you see, InTrade did it right, by making people put their money where their mouth is.

      What this game will do is allow people to game the forecasts since it won't cost them nearly as much to be wrong. Then they can go proclaim those forecasts as gospel and, say, pump-and-dump stocks with it.

      In short, InTrade converges to truth, whereas this game will converge to truthiness.

    2. Re:Did it already by kalirion · · Score: 1

      I don't know, what odds does InTrade give of civilization collapsing by 2042? And how does a pessimist collect when they win?

  9. Hey, it's like all those... by Kingrames · · Score: 1

    It's just like all those post-apocalyptic games we used to play, only before the apocalypse, and in real life.
    :(

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  10. How to win. by GrpA · · Score: 1

    It's basically about being greedy. Screw the human race, just concentrate on being the person who scientists will say the human species originated from in 5000 years time.

    All you need to do is be as greedy as possible and do everything for yourself while nothing for everyone else.

    While avoiding being killed by those who resent you for doing it, or by people who see you as a threat to their own greed.

    The sad thing is that it isn't a game and people play for keeps.

    Most of them are politicians, but some are lawyers or even managers.

    Oh, and cheating is encouraged. :)

    GrpA

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  11. Not to mention the Unix Epoch rollover!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To take place in 2042 too.

  12. Their first puzzle! (Spoiler) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their first puzzle is how to make this game profitable!

    Zing!

  13. Exit Mundi by Bieeanda · · Score: 1

    So it's this site crossed up with an Alternate Reality Game. Whoopee.

  14. Let's just call it what it really is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Skynet"

  15. Dharma by bky1701 · · Score: 1
    Am I the only one here getting flashes of the Dharma initiative after reading this?

    This part in particular got me:

    The Superthreats

    GEAS has identified five superthreats and given them memorable names as a way of encouraging discussion and awareness:

    * Quarantine covers the global response to declining health and pandemic disease, including the current Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ReDS) crisis.
    * Ravenous focuses on the imminent collapse of the global food system, as well as debates over industrial vs. ecological agricultural models, and basic issues of access, energy, and carbon.
    * Power Struggle tracks the results of energy resource peaks and the shifts in international power as nations fight for energy supremacy and the world searches for alternative energy solutions.
    * Outlaw Planet embodies the volatile mix of new forms of surveillance, transparency, civil rights, and access to information as people work out new rules for human security.
    * Generation Exile follows the massive "diaspora of diasporas" underway globally, as the number of refugees and migrants skyrockets in the face of climate change, economic disruption, and war.

    I can't seem to find a link now, but there are 6 variables in the Valenzetti Equation, and a few of them align directly to the "superthreats".

    Interesting coincidence? Do I watch too much TV?

  16. not the first by khallow · · Score: 1

    The market is the first massively multiplayer forecast game. And it's a lot cooler than the disaster scenario of the month games listed above. None of the "super-threats" can cause extinction. If there's not enough food, then people starve to death until there's more food than people. None of the scenarios can break a developed world country with the exception of "outlaw planet". Further, all of this is based on the assumption that global health, food production, etc are getting worse. I don't see that.

  17. Emperor of China by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    The classical example showing the error of uncritical reasoning here is the old fable about the height of the Emperor of China. Supposing that each person in China surely knows the height of the Emperor to an accuracy of at least 1 meter; if there are N=1e9 inhabitants, then it seems that we could determine his height to an accuracy at least as good as 1/sqrt(N) = 0.03mm, merely by asking each person's opinion and averaging the results.

    - E.T.Jaynes, "Probability Theory, The Logic of Science"

  18. Slashdot spin? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    Slashdot: Outlaw Planet, covering increased surveillance and loss of liberties

    The site: Outlaw Planet embodies the volatile mix of new forms of surveillance, transparency, civil rights, and access to information as people work out new rules for human security.

    Notice the difference? The GEAS clearly sees Outlaw planet as the struggle to balance civil rights with the need for security and hence accountability. You need openess of goverment but at the same time need secure systems safe from outside influence. How do you balance this?

    Yet /. 'editors' (my apologies to all true editors) only highlight the loss of civil liberties and increased surveillance.

    Not that I agree with GEAS either, we recently did have a huge attack on the finacial markets. 9/11 anyone? Trading suspended for a week? How about the bursting of the bubble, black friday?

    The depression is as close as we got to a 'perfect storm' on the financial front and humanity survived just fine.

    Same with migration, dust bowl anyone? Entire civilizations moved home before and humanity clearly survived by the evidence that we are still here.

    What is odd, is that they miss the greatest threat. What has been the biggest killer so far? Killing millions and causing massive chaos? Intolrance. From the grand-daddy of them all the Holocaust to Rwanda to the latest 'race' riots in South Africa, this is the real killer. One group deciding they don't need to get along with everyone else and that if they upset the peace they can improve their lot.

    All the other problems can be countered by humanity, but when we stop thinking of others as human beings we loose the need to cope with problems that NOW face others but might face us in the future.

    Food shortage is a problem in some areas but not the west. Needless to say that food shortage ain't exactly at the top of the agenda. We are not spending nearly enough to come up with ways to fight food shortage, leaving us with NO soluntions IF/WHEN it hits us.

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  19. Special Advance Mission! by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's the summer of 2019. You're you, but you're a decade older. Where are you having dinner, what are you eating, what are you thinking or talking about?

    (and check out other players' dinner stories in the comments of our Superstruct announcement! http://www.iftf.org/node/2098)

    Soooo... they want us to write essays on the future. Sure I'm eating all my food in pill form and discussing how screwed up the world is. Collate this into your forecast idiots!

    Jonah HEX

  20. What a great social experiment! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Five bucks says this is sponsored by some think-tank group at the top wanting to figure out how would populace react to various emergencies...so they know what response to prepare (to maintain status quo, of course)

  21. It's not Weather Forecasting? by Dripdry · · Score: 4, Funny

    Too bad, I had visions of this: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/20/

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  22. How to win: be a sociopath? by spun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The average human is a social creature, motivated by what is good for the species, not for them as individuals. Modern economic experiments all agree, the selfish actor theory is dead. People are far more motivated by notions of fairness and reciprocity than self interest. People will incur serious harm to themselves to punish perceived unfairness in others, giving up months worth of real salary in recent experiments to punish the greedy players.

    This is the reason that true sociopaths are so uncommon. If people really were selfish, sociopaths would have the advantage, and they would be genetically selected for. They aren't, so there are very few of them.

    They are the real problem, though. People only act selfish when there is no other option. The prediction that people will act selfishly becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. People see selfishness and act selfishly to avoid being taken advantage of. Sociopaths always act selfishly.

    Our society is set up to reward sociopaths. Because of this, society is seen as selfish, and people feel the need to act selfishly in order to survive. If society punishes sociopaths and selfishness, experiments show people will act in a fair and generous fashion.

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  23. Where's 'Thirsty'? by Randym · · Score: 1
    Lack of water is at least as important as any of the 'threats' herein delineated. It comes from three main sources:

    1) Aquifer depletion: overuse of the currently existing resource.

    2) Drought: lack of rain where there once was rain; clearly, this is exacerbated by global warming, as the monsoon belts shift.

    3) Pollution: otherwise potable water is made unusable by waste or commercial contamination.

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    1. Re:Where's 'Thirsty'? by hickory-smoked · · Score: 1

      Refugees fleeing drought zones is covered by "Generation Exile"