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Very Large Telescope Captures New 27-Megapixel Deep Field

xyz writes "European Southern Observatory's Very Large Telescope has captured the deepest ground based U-band image of the universe yet. The image contains more than 27 million pixels and is the result of 55 hours of observations with the VIMOS instrument. 'Galaxies were detected that are a billion times fainter than the unaided eye can see and over a range of colours not directly observable by the eye. This deep image has been essential to the discovery of a large number of new galaxies that are so far away that they are seen as they were when the Universe was only 2 billion years old.'"

131 comments

  1. Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh my god. It's full of pixels!

    1. Re:Hmm... by phillips321 · · Score: 2, Informative

      and if you want to see the pixels in the full glory http://www.eso.org/public/outreach/press-rel/pr-2008/images/phot-39-08-fullres.tif
      not all at once, 78.6MB file could cause the slashdot effect :D

    2. Re:Hmm... by Snaller · · Score: 1

      I'd mod you up if i could :)

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    3. Re:Hmm... by Smivs · · Score: 1

      Why? There's no point. See sig.

    4. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he meant that first post should be modded up for the sake of visibility?

      It's not only about the karma, you know :P

    5. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? There's no point. See sig.

      Funny mods have never earned any karma, so I'm afraid your "excellent" karma has nothing to do with your wit. This isn't a new development.

      In fact, when you see posts that are clearly jokes modded "informative" or "insightful" that's because the moderator wanted the poster to get karma.

      To be fair, the slashdot FAQ is right when they say that karma doesn't matter. The point of modding somebody up (especially an anonymous coward like the grandparent was going to mod up--who wasn't going to get any karma anyway) is to make sure other readers don't miss the post--it's very rare when I'm in the mood to read at -1...or even at 2. You should feel privileged that I read your post.

      Basically, if you're not trolling, your karma will eventually be excellent, and as long as it's not too low to interfere with your posting, who cares about anything else? If you want something to bitch about, bitch about the fact that on articles with a large number of posts, you don't get to see all the posts unless you click the "more" button several times. Default should be load all (at least for registered users), and then the user should have the option in his preferences to limit the number of posts to speed up loading.

    6. Re:Hmm... by X0563511 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What's the deal with TIFF anyways? I convert that 80mb file losslessly to PNG, and it brings it down to 47mb. Almost 50%!

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    7. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should feel privileged that I read your post

      fag.

    8. Re:Hmm... by Mozk · · Score: 1

      http://www.bash.org/?2999

      Heh, I've always loved that quote.

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    9. Re:Hmm... by Neuticle · · Score: 1

      2999? That's almost 3000!

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  2. Shortages? by jrq · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hard to believe, looking at this, that there could ever be a shortage of anything.

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    1. Re:Shortages? by 4D6963 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem being, how do we get it where we need it, in time.

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    2. Re:Shortages? by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hard to believe, looking at this, that there could ever be a shortage of anything.

      It's the same principle as ever, when awestruck in the face of beauty: "you can look, but you cannot touch".

  3. 80 MB TIFF by owlstead · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously, Slashdot, pointing to an article that contains a link to the 80 MB TIFF image at full resolution. Feeling a bit sadistic today, are we? Oh well, I'm rather early so I clicked it nonetheless. Feeling like a bit of a egocentric sadist myself today.

    It works without a hitch in the AlternaTIFF TIFF Image Viewer. You can clearly see the galaxies, but otherwise it is a large sheet of colored dots (as expected I suppose).

    1. Re:80 MB TIFF by v1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      don't feel sorry for them... feel sorry for the poor schmucks that actually CLICK on the image link and expect their browser to render it before the wheels grind to a halt.

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    2. Re:80 MB TIFF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fullres JPG works like a charm in Firefox 1.5. The image probably takes 4239*6480*3 = 82 MB uncompressed in the browser, but who doesn't have that much free RAM.

    3. Re:80 MB TIFF by Kagura · · Score: 1

      I've only got 640k RAM, you intransitive clod!

    4. Re:80 MB TIFF by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Seriously, Slashdot, pointing to an article that contains a link to the 80 MB TIFF image at full resolution. Feeling a bit sadistic today, are we? Oh well, I'm rather early so I clicked it nonetheless. Feeling like a bit of a egocentric sadist myself today.

      At least it would explain the flash located near Munich, Germany.

    5. Re:80 MB TIFF by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      Tubes, not wheels. sheesh.

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    6. Re:80 MB TIFF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't feel sorry for them... feel sorry for the poor schmucks that actually CLICK on the image link and expect their browser to render it before the wheels grind to a halt.

      Ouch... that would outright suck. I doubt that a Web browser would try to display a TIFF image to begin with, and the "smaller" JPEGs on the site aren't too outrageously large... but that 31MB, full-size JPEG would likely be a problem for anyone who attempts to click instead to right-click/save.

      I'm downloading that 78-meg image right now. And yes, I'm a masochist: my 2001-era computer has only 256 megabytes of memory. I need a new one, real bad, since it wouldn't be worth the effort to find (and buy) four 256- or 512-meg chips of memory to bring it up to half or full capacity. Fucking PC800 RD-RAM.

      And even that is weak, compared the the shit-tons of DDR2 memory you can get for cheap these days.

  4. Re:article image by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The second link provides a 78MB TIFF (and a more modest but same-resolution 30MB JPEG) image.

  5. Re:article image by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Informative

    However, it's a dinky low-resolution image one could have captured with a CCTV camera. Come on, you can do better than that.

    I'm sorry, but what? The second link in the story has links to 6480 x 4236 JPGs and TIFs, which calculates to 27MP, the file sizes are 31MB and 79MB, respectively.

    Normally, I would agree that web stories normally fall short with photos and multimedia, but it's just not true here.

  6. Fantastic by Skiron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The mind boggles. How anybody can believe we are here all alone, I don't know.

    1. Re:Fantastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you believe life can spring up anywhere as complex as it exists on Earth then, yes, life can be elsewhere. But life doesn't just spring up from anywhere. You have to be ignorant if you think that the complexity that surrounds and inhabits this planet can be replicated by accident elsewhere, multiple times. Evolution itself has the odds against it and yet you think it can happen again (assuming it occurred once already)? Now my mind is boggled at your assumptions that complex life can occur at random. And by the way, we aren't alone. There are 6 billion people on this planet.

    2. Re:Fantastic by Skiron · · Score: 1

      Oh dear. Billions of galaxies containing billions of stars that probably have planets. You sir, are a TWAT.

    3. Re:Fantastic by Golddess · · Score: 1

      And this is why I believe light pollution is a conspiracy to make the universe appear smaller than it really is in order to make the public more likely to accept the idea that it couldn't be random chance that any of us are here to begin with.

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  7. Re:article image by onlysolution · · Score: 1

    Did you perhaps neglect to click on the thumbnail in the article? Or even click the second link the summary? The 6480 x 4239 full resolution image is readily available as a JPEG and a TIFF.

  8. Re:article image by kimvette · · Score: 1

    Oh cool I didn't see those links

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  9. Re:article image by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If you had clicked on the image in the article, you'd have been taken there automatically. Exactly what the hell is it that you were expecting? A full resolution image above the article text?

  10. Strings of galaxies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looking at the images, anyone else see all the galaxies that are in stringy lines, like semen floating around in your bath water?

    1. Re:Strings of galaxies by Pogue+Mahone · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I wouldn't know - I never take a bath.

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  11. Re:article image by Lachlan+Hunt · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing you missed the link that was included in both the slashdot summary and the article!

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  12. Context vs Hubble Deep Field by chanrobi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This new "picture" is taken in UV for which the Hubble ultra deep field is still the deepest image taken in visible wavelengths. Which provides, if you believe the current age estimate of the universe (13.73 ± 0.12 billion years old) means Hubble is still going back further. 0.73 Billion years vs 2 billion years since the beginning of the universe.

    Just to give a sense of perspective in case you read the title and went so what?

    1. Re:Context vs Hubble Deep Field by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

      Maybe so, but the Hubble is an ST and as I understand that's Space based, not ground based.

    2. Re:Context vs Hubble Deep Field by raynet · · Score: 0

      Also this 27Mpix image is very blurry, they could probably taken it at 10Mpix and still have the same amount of information.

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    3. Re:Context vs Hubble Deep Field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Correctly sampling the PSF is important.

    4. Re:Context vs Hubble Deep Field by Prof+Dodecahedron · · Score: 1

      Something I've always wondered is that since we supposedly know how far the farthest recorded star is, and supposedly know the age of the universe, how fast are we moving away from the farthest star? And how fast are we moving relative to the source of the big bang? If there's 10 lightyears from us to that star, the most conservative guess (the slowest speed) would put the big bang starting directly between us and the other star, putting the big bang somewhere else would mean we're moving faster. Does anyone know how to do the math to calculate either of these? I know its definitely not 10 billion ly / 14 bln y, we'd have to take in to account relativistic speeds, and the movement of the light from the other star, etc. It seems like we must really be moving pretty damn fast away from the other star if we're seeing it in the position it was 2 billion years after the big bang, and the light from there to here traveled 10 billion lightyears.

    5. Re:Context vs Hubble Deep Field by syntaxglitch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And how fast are we moving relative to the source of the big bang?

      All points equally in the entire universe are "the source of the big bang". The big bang isn't just the origin point for all matter, it's the origin point for the entire universe and all space and time. If you want to "see" the big bang, or as close as we can see, look at the CMB.

  13. Re:looking 'out there' ignoring here & now by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

    My suggestion to the Slashdot administrators : add "yOUR" to your lameness filter. Problem solved.

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  14. countless life factories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is my new favorite image. Thank you ESO and the VLT staff.

  15. Sales people trick us into MORE MEGAPIXELS by nulled · · Score: 1

    Don't let them trick you into thinking you need MORE megapixels. It's all a feature bloat trick, sales people love to use to make the devices more expensive. No really, I love the deep field/space research. Amazing imagines. I thought Hubble was broken again? I guess they fixed it.

    1. Re:Sales people trick us into MORE MEGAPIXELS by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Yes, they fixed it. But this article is not about Hubble.

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  16. Only 27 megapixels? by tmosley · · Score: 1

    Maybe I missed something, but how is this impressive?

    Considering that there are commercial cameras on the market that have resolutions of 50+ megapixels for "just" $40,000 (not much for professional scientists or astronomers). It seems like a fairly simple thing to modify for use in the UV spectrum (maybe that's the part we are supposed to be impressed with?).

    Perhaps they meant gigapixels?

    1. Re:Only 27 megapixels? by Mprx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The optics are the limiting factor here. Increasing pixel count wouldn't add any more detail.

    2. Re:Only 27 megapixels? by dwater · · Score: 1

      then one has to wonder why they bothered mentioning it...is there no way to measure the capability of optics, if that is what is important?

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    3. Re:Only 27 megapixels? by E-Lad · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're making a bad assumption here, here's why: As another respondent indicated, optics are one of the limiting factors here. The other major factor is the imaging device itself and the size of the individual pixels on the sensor. The amount of photons a individual pixel can collect is governed by the size of that pixel. The larger the pixel, the more photons it can gather. The more photons, the more light-sensitive it is. Now the sensor used on everything from your pocket P&S camera to a imaging device such as this are of a certain, finite size. You can fit only so many pixels on in its surface area.... the more pixels, the smaller they have to be in order to fit. Fewer pixels allows each pixel to occupy more space and gather more light. See the trade-off? With more pixels comes higher resolution at a cost of lower sensitivity, generally speaking. The capability of the optics is a moderator here as it has its own resolution limit. Given this optical limit, a point is reached where the addition of more pixels on the sensor becomes, essentially, a useless exercise with no return in terms of resolution and a definite loss in overall per-pixel sensitivity.

    4. Re:Only 27 megapixels? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > Given this optical limit, a point is reached where the addition of more pixels on the sensor becomes, essentially, a useless exercise [...]

      Except for marketing, of course. :-)

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  17. Time by TheLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Shortage of time.

    And here I am wasting it on Slashdot :).

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      And linking to youtube videos of dolphins.

      Well, at least it's not goatse or a rickroll.

      Points for creativity, but you'll spend them all entering into the WTF Awards contest.

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  18. Filament-like structures by art6217 · · Score: 1

    I know a man can see various things in a random set of dots that are not really there, but what about these `filaments' of galaxies?
    What are these?

    1. Re:Filament-like structures by art6217 · · Score: 1

      I have just found something about them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_filament

    2. Re:Filament-like structures by art6217 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You may have a better vision. I can only see the cow.

    3. Re:Filament-like structures by xaositects · · Score: 1

      what about these `filaments' of galaxies?

      those are strings of individual atoms composing the strand of dust that just dropped into the field of view of the microscope being used by the scientist who is looking at our solar system right now.

    4. Re:Filament-like structures by jpatters · · Score: 1

      What you need is a fatty-boom-batty blunt, and I guarantee you'll be seeing a sailboat, an ocean, and maybe even some of those big-titted mermaids doing some of that lesbian shit. Look at me, look at me, you sloppy bitch!

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  19. Naw, not big enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    still can't use this as my desktop background without tiling.

  20. How much area does this cover? by superid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yeah, I know..... a lot....

    What I mean is, if I look up in the sky, how big of a patch of the sky does this picture cover? The size of the full moon? Bigger? Smaller than a grain of sand at arms length?

    1. Re:How much area does this cover? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's about the size of... 100,000 emails a month.

    2. Re:How much area does this cover? by Falkkin · · Score: 4, Informative

      The image is 14.1 x 26.1 arcminutes according to ESO website. For reference, the moon is about 30 arcminutes.

    3. Re:How much area does this cover? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Hubble deep field was said to cover the same area as Roosevelt's eye on a dime held at arms length.

      When they take these images, they point to a spot in the sky that has no stars visible and then let the exposure take a gazillion seconds. Assuming all the stars in the Milky way are visible (might be a bad assumption), that would mean a spot in the sky without stars could only contain galaxies.

      What this means, is that everything in the picture is a galaxy, not a star.

      At least the famous Hubble deep field picture was. This one there are some point light sources that have some optical aberrations that make them look like stars.

    4. Re:How much area does this cover? by Tinlad · · Score: 1

      According to Wikipedia, the VIMOS has a 14 x 14 arcminute field of view. If my Sunday afternoon trigonometry is correct, that's equivalent to a 3mm square held at arm's length (~70cm). Under half the diameter of the full moon. Hope that helps to put it into context - it's a tiny area of the sky.

    5. Re:How much area does this cover? by viruswatts · · Score: 1

      If my Sunday afternoon trigonometry is correct, that's equivalent to a 3mm square held at arm's length (~70cm). Under half the diameter of the full moon. Hope that helps to put it into context - it's a tiny area of the sky.

      I don't know about you, but if I held 3 mm up at arms length, it isn't going to come close to covering the moon. Perhaps you meant 3 cm.

    6. Re:How much area does this cover? by Tinlad · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think you, like a lot of people, have wildly overestimated the angular diameter of the full moon. It's about 30 arcminutes (0.5 degrees). It's a lot smaller than you think. It's one of the first things we were told in my astrophysics lectures, and it's stuck with me.

      An angle of 0.5 degrees at arms length (~70cm) gives you approximately 70cm * tan(0.5 degrees) = 6.1mm (i.e. a circle of paper 6.1mm in diameter held 70cm from your eye would 'cover' the full moon). Try it.

      3cm at arms length equates to an angle of about 2.5 degrees.

    7. Re:How much area does this cover? by Kleen13 · · Score: 1

      Bah, bad click, meant Informative

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    8. Re:How much area does this cover? by YttriumOxide · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I just tried it by holding a ruler at arms length up at the moon. The moon isn't quite full tonight, but it's pretty close, so I can guesstimate where the rest of it is from the curvature of what's there.
      I found the moon to be about 1.2cm with the ruler held at arms length - about twice what you're suggesting. Perhaps I have very short arms?

      I don't dispute your maths, but I would like to know where the discrepancy in my experimental evidence is coming from...

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    9. Re:How much area does this cover? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      From wiki: "The average centre-to-centre distance from the Earth to the Moon is 384,403 km, about thirty times the diameter of the Earth. The Moon's diameter is 3,474 km"

      Roughly 1 in 100. So at 70 cm the moon would appear .7 cm.

      I would check the measurement on your arm.

    10. Re:How much area does this cover? by Tinlad · · Score: 1

      Atmospheric lensing? I haven't a clue to be honest. Where I live the moon's just peeked out from behind the clouds so I gave it a go - it was about 6 or 7mm, so my observations seem to fit the theory.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  22. Re:article image by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The standard cue for a clickable image is a 2-pixel-wide blue border around it. Why would they go through the pain of overriding the default but still make it clickable? It's just not practical to mouse over every image on every website to know if they're a link of not.

  23. Wallpaper by f1vlad · · Score: 1

    Nice time for new wallpaper on my laptop :)

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    1. Re:Wallpaper by Butterspoon · · Score: 1

      Sadly, it's no use as a wallpaper as it's a portrait image. They really should have thought more carefully about that one.

      </troll>

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    2. Re:Wallpaper by f1vlad · · Score: 1

      Photoshop :)

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  24. Google Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can someone throw together a google maps mashup?

    1. Re:Google Maps by Kagura · · Score: 2, Informative

      Use Google Earth, and click the "sky" button. It's like Google Earth, but for the sky. Many different sources are mosaic-ed into it, and you can see how big some of these cosmic objects are from our vantage point, such as how much of an area of the sky this Deep Field image took in.

  25. "Very Large Telescope" by RevWaldo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Excellent name - simple and straightforward. They should have a contest for naming the next model. Put me down for "Amazing Freaking Ginormous Wonderscope"

    1. Re:"Very Large Telescope" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost. Next generation telescope is "ELT", short for "Extremely Large Telescope".
      http://www.eso.org/sci/facilities/eelt/

    2. Re:"Very Large Telescope" by dwater · · Score: 1

      At least they didn't follow the Wisker's cat food advert and call it the 'largest *ever* telescope'.

      Yeah, short-sighted names bug me too.

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    3. Re:"Very Large Telescope" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      doublepluslarge telescope? although I doubt Ingsoc would have any use for it...

    4. Re:"Very Large Telescope" by EdibleEchidna · · Score: 1

      I favour the name FLT.

    5. Re:"Very Large Telescope" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the first name ESO thought about for the next one was
      OWL
      Overwhelmingly Large Telescope.
      Really, it was: 100m diameter.
      ESO has now a more ... modest project, 42m in diameter, called
      European Extremely Large Telescope.

  26. Coverage by Bad Astronomer here by Falkkin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Phil Plait has quite a bit to say about this image:

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/07/voyaging-deep-into-the-universe/

    "Scanning the full-res image is incredible. There's so much to see! Each dot, each smudge, is a full-blown galaxy, a collection of billions of stars. They're very, very far away; some of these galaxies are estimated to be 10 billion light years distant; you're seeing them as they were just a couple of billion years after the Universe itself began, and the faintest are one-billionth as bright as objects you can see with your own eye."

    He also talks quite a bit about his favorite astronomical event - gamma-ray bursts.

    1. Re:Coverage by Bad Astronomer here by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

      It's another excellent analysis by Phil, suitable for all audiences - I shall give that to the wife, I think there's a sporting chance of her actually understanding what is going on (normally keen to show an interest in astronomy but can never fathom out even the basic concepts)

    2. Re:Coverage by Bad Astronomer here by blair1q · · Score: 1

      So we're just a motion-capture system away from the Total Perspective Vortex...

    3. Re:Coverage by Bad Astronomer here by Falkkin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, for perspective, this image is approximately 1/500000th of the sky.

    4. Re:Coverage by Bad Astronomer here by ashitaka · · Score: 1

      OK, understanding that figure and looking at the full-res image is the earthy equivalent of the Total Perspective Vortex.

      "GGGGHHAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH..."

      Hey, I'm still here! I must be the Coolest Guy In The Universe!!
       

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  27. Billion times nothing is..... by need4mospd · · Score: 1
    Galaxies were detected that are a billion times fainter than the unaided eye can see...

    What's a billion times "I can't see shit?"

  28. According to my calculations by dvh.tosomja · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I count galaxies in 1/8 x 1/14 of that image to be 150. In the whole image there are approx. 16800 galaxies. Since this is 14x21 arcminutes and 1 degree is 60minutes, hence this is 0.3 degree of 360 degree sky, I thinkg there are... 6.752*10^9 galaxies in the visible universe!

    1. Re:According to my calculations by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      And, with an average of 40 billion stars in a galaxy (it is conjectured that there are some very small galaxies, making the average much smaller than our own Milky Way), that makes 2.7008*10^20 stars... Ummm... woah.

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  29. Determined nominatively? by Pogue+Mahone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Did anyone notice the name of the press officer?

    Dr. Henri Boffin.

    Nominative determinism in action.

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    1. Re:Determined nominatively? by URADingus2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Many Boffins died to bring us this information

  30. That thought process... by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    Hard to believe, looking at this, that there could ever be a shortage of anything.

    It's exactly that thought process which leads to running out of (or destroying) resources.

  31. 27 Megapixel ? by __aazsst3756 · · Score: 1

    27 megapixels is almost consumer grade today. Why so low?

    1. Re:27 Megapixel ? by viruswatts · · Score: 1

      27 megapixels is almost consumer grade today. Why so low?

      They knew we would Slashdot 270 megapixels into oblivion.

  32. Statistical significance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looking at the full-res picture I was thinking how one could test for the statistical significance of the apparent `filaments'.

    Some of these seem quite amazing, stretching and bending for quite some distance.

  33. Re:article image by GigaHurtsMyRobot · · Score: 1

    Because that blue border is hideous and should always be overridden. They could have included a caption letting you know what clicking it would do, however.

  34. Re:article image by v1 · · Score: 1

    Is it just me or is that 76mb tif sadly lacking in quality? Looks like a lossy jpeg. Here's something off the cuff from my wallpapers folder, redstar that has more detail and is under 1mb.

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  35. Torrent of image by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to do the owner of the website a favor, go to TPB and search for this image if you need/want it in full size, i suppose this will cause less traffic for them.

    (I assume that it is something like public domain anyway)

    1. Re:Torrent of image by Ankur+Dave · · Score: 1
      Here's the link: http://www.torrentportal.com/download/3708521/phot-39-08-fullres.tif.torrent

      Currently giving twice the speed of the server for me.

  36. Re:article image by simaolation · · Score: 1

    Isn't the new Canon Eos dSLR capable of producing 22MP pictures? I'm sorry, bu only gigapixels impress me these days. http://www.gigapxl.org/gallery.htm

  37. That's what they said on Easter Island... by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And that's what most of the world is saying today.

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  38. Re:article image by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If an image is sharp, then you weren't pushing the limits of the instrument in the first place.

  39. Re:article image by Q-Hack! · · Score: 1

    I don't know about your system, but with mine all I have to do is mouse over the pic to see the pointer change into a little hand. Tells me there is a link.

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  40. What SOME may see... by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    Picture-perfect Crystalline Entity in that "Fistful of Data". But, i somehow think we are still quite a way from a lateral sensor array...

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  41. Re:looking 'out there' ignoring here & now by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

    How about just filtering any post that uses a lot of big words yet has indications of brain damage like abbreviating every other "and" to "&" (or "you" to "u")?

  42. Star photo by melikamp · · Score: 1

    Why do star photos have crosses over bigger stars?

    1. Re:Star photo by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why do star photos have crosses over bigger stars?

      Refraction flares caused by the crystalline pattern of molecules in the glass of the lenses. It only shows up in brighter objects because the flares are too dim for dimmer objects to make an impression. Bright stars simply overwhelm the local optics when you are gathering enough light to expose the dimmer objects.
           

    2. Re:Star photo by Kagura · · Score: 1

      Great explanation, thanks a lot!

    3. Re:Star photo by Ian+Paul+Freeley · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why do star photos have crosses over bigger stars?

      Refraction flares caused by the crystalline pattern of molecules in the glass of the lenses.

      Um, no. The spikes are caused by the diffraction of light around the struts supporting the secondary mirror in the telescope. The wave nature of light ensures that no matter how large you build your telescope, you cannot focues stars to a perfect point.

    4. Re:Star photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus.

    5. Re:Star photo by Clairvoyant · · Score: 1

      No, we need a few more megapixels (or a smaller angle) to get to see him, I guess ;)

    6. Re:Star photo by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Well, it's time to hire Mythbusters to settle this. Maybe its both. If the struts were that big of a problem, then couldn't they use a flat lens-plate(s) to hold the secondary mirror instead?

    7. Re:Star photo by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Glass? Crystalline? I thought glass was an amorphous solid. I had always believed that the cross-shape on stars is caused by light diffracting around the "spider", the struts supporting the secondary mirror.

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    8. Re:Star photo by Ian+Paul+Freeley · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, it's time to hire Mythbusters to settle this. Maybe its both. If the struts were that big of a problem, then couldn't they use a flat lens-plate(s) to hold the secondary mirror instead?

      Astronomers hate putting lenses into their optical systems--there is always some light lost to reflection off the glass surface. The VLT is an 8 meter diameter telescope, so supporting a giant lens above the telescope would be a major engineering issue. This isn't really a problem you can solve by adding a new lens or tweaking the secondary support structure--it's a fundamental feature caused by the wave nature of light. Anytime light passes through an aperture, it creates a diffraction pattern.

    9. Re:Star photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no. it's because baby jesus wants us to remember who we need to pray to every sunday morning.

    10. Re:Star photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. They are diffraction spikes caused by the physical mechanism that holds the secondary in front of the primary. Any telescope with a corrector plate in the front, will not display this effect. Also note that refractors in general will not display this effect. A newtonian reflector will display this effect even though there are NO lenses between the stars and the camera.

    11. Re:Star photo by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Okay, I surrender. I guess you are right. There's no large-scale regular structure in most glass:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorphous_solid
           

  43. Re:article image by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

    6480 x 4236

    Almost as big as my little 14" CRT at 6400 x 4800 running on the old 386. With the tendency for screens to get wider, an aspect ratio of 6400 x 4200 scales nicely from 1600 x 1050 so we can see this picture nicely on an 8 ft monitor. About the same size as the screen in the USS Enterprise?

    If you look closely, there's a little banner in the galaxy 342-HITHR that says "Happy 2000000000th! In 9000000000 years, there will be intelligence that will know what this amount of time means."

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  44. Re:Guide To The Barack Obongo Presidency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Q: What's worse than a racist?

    A: A racist with too damned much time on their hands.
       

  45. Re:article image by Kagura · · Score: 1

    Nothing looks lossy when you put it at 642x516 pixels like the tiny, tiny image you provided. Try it with any deep field photo. You can also take video game screens and make them thumbnail size, and they look real.

  46. Re:article image by mathimus1863 · · Score: 1

    I'm mildly bothered by the 27 megapixel metric, as it tells you nothing about the scope of the image. I can take a 10 MP picture of the sky with my digital camera and half those pixels will be wasted on the trees around me, and the rest won't give us any new information that anyone else can't get. It would be interesting to know the solid angle, or the field-of-view measurement that is associated with the image. If you are taking a 5000x5000 picture of something 1 light year across, from 10 billion light years away, that requires a hell of a tiny field of view. Approximately 100 picoradians of resolution. If you have that type of resolution, the picture could only be 5 megapixels and probably still contain a plethora of interesting stuff.

  47. Re:article image by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

    It's a nice stress test for your browser. I can remember the days when Firefox would crash trying to load such a JPG.

  48. errors in the calculations, and fixes: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some corrections, because the GP confused linear and solid angles:

    14 linear arcminutes * 21 linear arcminutes = 294 sqare arcminutes

    1 square degree = (60 linear arcminutes)^2 = 3600 sqare arcminutes

    294 square arcminutes / 3600 sqare arcminutes ~= .08167 square degrees

    there are ~41253 square degrees in a sphere, only this fraction of a sphere is subtended by the picture:

    (294 square arcminutes) / (41253 square degrees) ~= 1.980*10^-6

    As someone stated elsewhere, this is about 1/500,000 of the sky (i.e. the celestial sphere).

    So we count the number of galaxies encountered in this secion, then divide by the fraction subtended; using GP's estimate:

    16,800 / (1.980*10^-6) gives ~8.49*10^9 galaxies

    However, about 2 orders of magnitude more galaxies are in the field, though only ~16,800 galaxies are detected in this particular image of the field. The number of galaxies in the *observable* universe is at least on the order of 100 billion (10^11), per other, more sensitive surveys with more rigorous counting methods than a quick subsampling as performed by a human examining an image visually.

    Next:

    ...with an average of 40 billion stars in a galaxy...

    This is lower than I've encountered. The average galactic mass is about 100 billion solar masses, and the average stellar mass is about .5 solar masses*, so the the average number of stars in a galaxy is is on the order of 100~200 billion.

    ...it is conjectured that there are some very small galaxies, making the average much smaller than our own Milky Way...

    Actually, it is fairly well established that there are indeed many such "small" galaxies. But though the number of "extremely large" (trillions to tens of trillions, versus hundred billions for the Milky Way) galaxies is small, the contribution to the mean ("average") number of stars per galaxy is disproportionately large because they themselves are disproportionately large. This is the nature of the arithmetic mean: a few highly weighted outliers skew the mean more than the median, and the median more than the mode. That's precisely why the "average" number of stars per galaxy is actually on the order of the Milky Way.

    (* Note that the "average" stellar mass is skewed upward by the few but extremely massive stars just as galactic mass is. A "typical" star is smaller than the .5-solar mass "average" star; the vast majority of stars are smallish red dwarfs, with the sun being more massive than at least ~90% of stars, if only by a little in the range of stellar masses from ~.04 to ~150.)

    So:
    ~(10^11 galaxies) * ~(10^11 stars/galaxy) = ~10^22 stars
    The highest *reasonable* estimates I've seen yield a little over 5*10^22 stars, so on the order of 10^23 stars is still conceivable.

    1. Re:errors in the calculations, and fixes: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my head just exploded 1^infiniti times from reading that!!! amazing!

  49. A very deep wallpaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But with a lot of pixels available to crop and match to your screen resolution. Don't forget to say sorry to all these little green men whose homeworlds wasn't included to your screen.

  50. Ginormous Wonderscope by nwetters · · Score: 1

    Good guess, but no cigar.

  51. Great! by mmwithpeanuts · · Score: 1

    Somehow, I feel like a feeble eyed old man with a cane, putting on me specks to see those faint, distant lights in the fog. Marvelous!

  52. Re:article image by Firehed · · Score: 1

    When you manage to mount a 120,000mm lens on a 1DS MkIII/5D MkII and take a photo that captures an object as it existed eleven billion years ago, please let me know.

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