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Plastic Logic E-Newspaper

Ostracus writes with news of another contender for a next-gen device suitable for displaying a newspaper page. It's very thin but weighs a bit more than a Kindle. "Plastic Logic, a spin-off company from the Cambridge University's Cavendish Laboratory, has recently released its design of a future electronic newspaper reader. This lightweight plastic screen copies the appearance, but not the feel, of a printed newspaper. This electronic paper technology was pioneered by the E-Ink Corporation and is used in the current generation Sony eReader and Amazon.com's Kindle. Plastic Logic's device, yet to be named, has a highly legible black-and-white display and a screen more than twice as large compared to current versions available on the market."

75 comments

  1. Already dead... by Darundal · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...before the first 10 posts.

    1. Re:Already dead... by nizo · · Score: 3, Informative

      The alternative link listed in the article is working at the moment.

  2. Nice form factor but... by haystor · · Score: 1

    They keep emphasizing the form factor is the size of a piece of paper. But a piece of paper has a display size equal to a piece of paper, this doesn't.

    No mention of the display size.

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    1. Re:Nice form factor but... by nizo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      And what about cost? Seriously, if this thing is $500, I don't care how great it looks; for me (and I am guessing, the average slob) that would be too expensive.

    2. Re:Nice form factor but... by mikael · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From the article:

      Plastic Logic's new device has an A4 sized display, can be continually updated via a wireless link, and can store and display hundreds of pages of newspapers, books, and documents. Richard Archuleta, the chief executive of Plastic Logic, said the display was sufficiently large enough to match a newspaper's layout. "Even though we have positioned this for business documents, newspapers are what everyone asks for," said Archuleta.

      The device has the display size of an A4 sheet of paper. This is the size size as office documents, technical reports, and white papers, or a newspaper folded up to read on the train.

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    3. Re:Nice form factor but... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They couldn't sell it at that price. A newspaper costs less than $1. So to be value for money this has to outlast 500 newspapers... at one a day that means it'll be about a year and a half.

      If the newspaper costs 50c then double that.

      It also has to be as light as a newspaper, be simple to read when commuting and fold up into pocket sized otherwise it's doomed.

    4. Re:Nice form factor but... by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the problem is while the older generations still like news in dead tree format for the younger generations that time has past. Walking across the college campus I don't think I have ever seen a student actually reading a paper. What I see everywhere is little netbooks that let them read their news online AND watch Youtube AND do some document editing. So why on earth would anyone want to pay MORE than a netbook for this thing which does less?

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    5. Re:Nice form factor but... by EsJay · · Score: 1

      No mention of the display size.

      2nd paragraph says, "A4 sized display"

    6. Re:Nice form factor but... by peragrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      exactly. while I read the newspaper every day at work, when i am not at work i get my news from other sources. there are so many choices and I have found that if i really want to know what is going on in the US especially with the US military I turn to the BBC first. CNn isn't normally too bad, but the rest of them are so damn slow unless it is the latest celebrity that it just isn't worth it.

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    7. Re:Nice form factor but... by baxissimo · · Score: 2

      Maybe they actually want to be able to read what's on the screen while walking across the college campus under the bright noon-day sun.

      I'd really like to get one of these e-ink things, but it still just feels like its too early. The current devices remind me of that MP3 player I bought with 32MB of compact flash memory and a crappy little 1-line red LED display. The e-ink readers are still very pricey and lacking in basic features like that. Crappy support for viewing PDFs, inability to display multiple languages, super-slow refresh rates.

    8. Re:Nice form factor but... by rolfwind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That thinking is limited. This isn't a 'newspaper' reader. It reads pretty much anything. What would it have been worth to have all your heavy schoolbooks in this instead of lugging around some heavy bag? And reference guides? I got a lot of free (legally) books off the web to learn computer languages, etc. The small ereaders are not useful for for such things (they are more fiction writing oriented), but this size screen works.

      If you also figure Americans (for one) move every seven years - what would it be worth to just have everything on this device and a few memory cards rather than boxes and boxes of books - most left unread past the first chapter anyway statistically? (I'm the type to digitize everything - cds, movies, etc for such convenience).

      The price will have to (and will anyway) come down for mass acceptance, but this technology is not mature enough for that stage yet anyway. It's still with the early adopters, most of whom of professionals with disposable income and gadget freaks.

    9. Re:Nice form factor but... by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

      > So to be value for money this has to outlast 500 newspapers... at one a day that means it'll be about a year and a half.

      Assuming it is so locked it only replaces the newspaper. If it also displays eBooks and PDF technical documents the value proposition gets a little better, But I know I won't be buying into a ebook reader until I can buy something that at can at least display an entire 8 1/2 x 11 page at at least fax 196dpi resolution, be able to work with stock PDF files stuck into an SD slot (it can do DRM crap too) and not set me back more than $100 without a monthly contract.

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    10. Re:Nice form factor but... by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One problem that acceptance has is that there is religion around books and TV. It is this magical thing where if you read it in a book, you are somehow magically turned into a smart person, and if you see it on TV, you are somehow magically turned dumb. In the eternal struggle between good and evil, books are a force of good and TV is a force of evil. See previous story for a perfect example of people trying to prove this.

      The problem for e-readers is that most people perceive them as falling into the TV category because the picture can change. They see them as TVs with REALLY slow refresh rates. Thus they are tools of the dark forces and will make you dumb by touching them. Since there is no hope of convincing these people that books and TV are not devices of good and evil, the only hope for e-readers is to distance themselves from TVs and its younger brother the computer.

    11. Re:Nice form factor but... by davolfman · · Score: 1

      Somebody mod this man up!

    12. Re:Nice form factor but... by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      Seriously? You've met people that believe that?

      So far, all the people that I've met who read books but reject ebooks claim to like the feel of a book in their hand. Personally, I think that's bullshit. For me, the worst part of a book is the ability to lose my place. With physical books, this happened to me a -lot-. With ebooks, it does happen once in a while, but not nearly as often. Compare once a week to once a year.

      I attribute their rejection to resistance to change, rather than actual preference. I'm sure some of them do prefer paper, but most just can't stand the though of change.

      I long for the day we have data slates like Star Trek (the newer shows) has had for years. For now, I settle for a PDA.

      I considered a Kindle, but they are freaking hideous and a lot of the size of the thing is the keyboard. Horrid idea. This one is almost all screen, and perfect for reading. Especially if you can turn it portrait or landscape.

      Of course, this is just a market hype. The final product probably won't look like that... And we'll have to wait forever, and deal with 80 slashvertisements before it is released.

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    13. Re:Nice form factor but... by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      worst part of a book is the ability to lose my place. With physical books, this happened to me a -lot-. With ebooks, it does happen once in a while, but not nearly as often. Compare once a week to once a year.

      Bookmarks?

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    14. Re:Nice form factor but... by mikael · · Score: 1

      Maybe you need to understand where their prejudices come from before you can convince them to change their ways.

      This probably comes from the fact that many people born in Europe and the USA during the late 1880's didn't get a chance to learn to read or write (their parents were too poor to afford to educate all their children). These were the grandparents of people born in the 1940's (who are in their 60's now). They still remember the humiliation of their grandparents not being able to read a newspaper or book, and having to have everything from prescriptions to department stores catalogs explained to them in spoken word, and how their grandparents could only sign legal documents with a big X. So, being able to read a book or newspaper became a status symbol of an education.

      Perhaps the solution to this, is to allow the e-readers to have a touch-sensitive screen so that they can do "intelligent" things like solve crosswords, Sudoku, anagram type games, and use the wireless connection
      to enter their answers into online competitions. Presumably the E-reader would be able to support a virtual keyboard?

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    15. Re:Nice form factor but... by JohnBailey · · Score: 1

      Read the article again. The display is about twice the sizr of the current e-ink displays, so 12 inches diagonal.

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    16. Re:Nice form factor but... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      This doesn't explain why this attitude is so prevalent in the 20 to 40 year old demographic. Plus none of those 1800's folks were illiterate because of TV. Putting 'intellectual' content on the units is not going to change anyone's religion any more than the extremely high quantity and quality of content on TV has gotten them to stop seeing TV as a boogyman.

    17. Re:Nice form factor but... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I have met people like that. They won't say it out loud that they believe it is some magic force, but they stop just short of it. I have honest to goodness offended people with the statement "Books are not inherently better than TV." I don't mean I've met people who disagree with that statement (which I have, and they are just as religious). I mean that they covered their mouth as it dropped open and said "You can't really mean that." with the same tone of voice they would have used if I said that crushing kitten heads was a great way to spend the holidays. In this area at least (Northern California) it is a down right common.

    18. Re:Nice form factor but... by mikael · · Score: 1

      That's strange - just about everyone now I see on public transport is using either touchscreen Blackberry's or mobile phones, especially among this demographic. Being able to view street-maps is the biggest advertised application. Though, it is the van drivers who are the ones who stop and ask passer-bys for directions - they "can't read maps" and just ask for a direction to head towards.

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    19. Re:Nice form factor but... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      If you want to read in the noonday sun then get an OLPC. Hell even with their shitty "buy two get one" forced charity you'd still get a better machine for less than they want for one of these turkeys. But most folks I've seen don't WANT to stand out under the noonday sun,which is why we have those nice shady benches everywhere.

      I predict this will end up DOA just like those electronic books they tried to push on us in the mid '90s. It will have lousy format support,be proprietary as hell,lousy specs,and probably really crappy battery life to boot. And isn't most of the formats that folks use for text like PDF and Doc encumbered with all kinds of patents and copyrights? Boy I wouldn't want to try to traverse THAT minefield if I was a new company. And it still seems kind of pointless when you see nice netbooks with 1Gb of RAM and 1.6GHz Atom CPUs in the $300 range and Asus is talking about releasing a $200 netbook next year,which will of course allow you to read text AND watch Youtube AND email your friends AND do a little document editing on the go.

      So this idea IMHO is simply too little too late. Maybe if they could sell them for $50 or less,MAYBE. But even then I would rather carry a $200 netbook and surf my news at one of the bazillion free WiFi hookups around town.

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    20. Re:Nice form factor but... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      .. and usable as emergency toilet paper in case you didn't noticed you had ran out.

    21. Re:Nice form factor but... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Because reading on a screen suck? This may have more comfortable contrast, higher resolution, don't heat up your lap to 80 degrees while sitting in the bed, is probably silent, don't distract you from your reading, ...

    22. Re:Nice form factor but... by AJolly_2000 · · Score: 1

      Ironically, I find that it is easier for me to find the specific information I'm looking for in a book than by using my e-book reader. (Irex Iliad).

      The current downside for an e-book reader is the extremely slow refresh rate, as it makes it impossible to just "flip" through a book.

      That being said, I would not give up my Iliad for anything. I love it, and it was one of the best purchases Ive made.

    23. Re:Nice form factor but... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The big market for this kind of thing is probably commuters. If you're spending an hour on a subway / train a day then you've got a lot of time you could spend reading. eInk is vastly better for reading from than a TFT and a eBook reader is more convenient than a newspaper. Load it up from a variety of sources before you leave home and you've got something to read on the way. You can also load it up with reports or novels, without increasing the amount you need to carry.

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    24. Re:Nice form factor but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't bother with newspapers, or even TV anymore.

      But having a device dedicated to ebook's would be great for me, reading off a netbook isn't the same.

      Although I already use my netbook for all my book reading now, but I have been doing that since I got a programmable watch with a tiny tiny display so I not normal, upgraded through iPod>NDS>PSP then finally eeepc).

    25. Re:Nice form factor but... by JohnBailey · · Score: 1

      .. and usable as emergency toilet paper in case you didn't noticed you had ran out.

      Well.. they are usually pretty thin. A scraper perhaps?

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    26. Re:Nice form factor but... by Jens+Egon · · Score: 1

      Yes, I have met people like that. They won't say it out loud that they believe it is some magic force, but they stop just short of it. I have honest to goodness offended people with the statement "Books are not inherently better than TV." I don't mean I've met people who disagree with that statement (which I have, and they are just as religious). I mean that they covered their mouth as it dropped open and said "You can't really mean that." with the same tone of voice they would have used if I said that crushing kitten heads was a great way to spend the holidays. In this area at least (Northern California) it is a down right common.

      TV is not nearly as bad inherently as it is actualized.

      The easiest (re)producible media of any era, gets (by far) the largest amount of crap content of the era.

      Pulp in the early 1900's. "Reality" shows on TV now. Tomorrow Web 3.11

    27. Re:Nice form factor but... by haystor · · Score: 1

      8.5"x11" and A4 display would imply to me printing edge to edge. But I look at the picture and there appears to be large areas on top, bottom and both sides that don't print.

      The plastic logic site itself mentions over and again the form factor size but has no mention of the actual screen size. They seem to be glossing over the actual size. It's not that hard and screen size is an expected stat for something that is a viewing device.

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    28. Re:Nice form factor but... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Introducing the Amazon Kindle 2.0 - Now with emergency scraper!

      After having introduced the Amazon Kindle we noticed a huge demand for ...

    29. Re:Nice form factor but... by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, when I drop a book, the bookmark almost always pops out. Very, very annoying. At one point I ended up buying one of those clip bookmarks that clips on the back of the book and has an arm over the pages to keep your place. That worked pretty well, except on large books. And I managed to pop one of them off a few times, too.

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    30. Re:Nice form factor but... by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      I think books lend themselves to good stories better, but video lends itself to detail better. It's a bit of a tradeoff...

      I can read a book that takes me many, many hours to finish (Atlas Shrugged!) but if a video takes more than 3 hours, it's interminable. On the other hand, if a book tries to put the detail of a movie in, it's really boring.

      So really, 'inherently better' is a personal opinion, and not a fact that can be argued.

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    31. Re:Nice form factor but... by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      It depends on the 'ebook reader'. I have used PDAs for nearly a decade now, and I find them plenty fast. My current Nokia N800 sometimes responds slowly, but most of the time it's nearly instant.

      I know the e-ink ones are really slow, and that's what has stopped me from buying one so far... But having the big screen size might be enough to offset that for me.

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  3. Alternative uses for newspaper by troll8901 · · Score: 1

    Darn, now I'd have to think of other ways, when I'm stuck in the toilet, out of toilet paper!

    Obligatory FoxTrot reference (something about swatting someone with a "Rolled up Internet").

    1. Re:Alternative uses for newspaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You could do something really crazy and apparently anti-American, like planning ahead and anticipating problems before they happen. Something like "hey, I'm running low on toilet paper, maybe I should get some more before I run out!" It's really difficult shit, I know, but if you try your hardest and refuse to give up NO MATTER WHAT, then I think you can pull it off. I believe in you, man.

    2. Re:Alternative uses for newspaper by troll8901 · · Score: 1

      Thank you, you've made my day.

    3. Re:Alternative uses for newspaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha. Somebody who can take a joke is a rare and wonderful experience. You, sir, are a respectable man. This has made my day as well.

  4. Looks really nice but... by Timmmm · · Score: 1

    It looks really really nice. This would be amazing for reading scientific papers, sheet music, newspapers & books. Unlike the kindle it has a decent sized screen, can show PDFs and doesn't look like shit.

    On the other hand, I've yet to see what the UI is like (they haven't shown it in any videos), and in all the videos I've seen it takes almost 2 seconds to turn the page. That could get really annoying.

    If they fix that I'd gladly pay the £300+ they're probably asking...

    (Sidenote: fix your character encoding slashdot!)

    1. Re:Looks really nice but... by yog · · Score: 1

      Honestly I don't understand the point of these rudimentary attempts at book and newspaper replacements. Until they can COMPLETELY REPLICATE the look and feel of a book or newspaper in its flexibility, durability, persistence (won't die when the battery dies), and cost, there's little point.

      Today anyone can buy a basic laptop for $300, or even cheaper, that provides all the news and information one could ask for. Amazon with their kindle product, and this company, and several others out there have a lot of work to do. Why should I buy a Kindle when I have a perfectly good laptop and a palmtop or two (phone, PDA) that have basically the same technology?

      Why have yet another device to learn to use, recharge, and replace when it breaks? We are now in the software age. The hardware platforms out there are pretty well established and are advancing very quickly. Niche efforts like this that attempt to create a specialized hardware platform are wide of the mark. I'm all for saving trees, but the replacement has to be approximately as good to succeed.

      LCD displays are extremely sharp and clear today and the prices have really tumbled. I would expect in a couple of years to see standard LCD 20" displays well under $100, and premium displays costing what the mediocre ones cost today. CPU power to drive those displays is also increasing. Sorry but this laptop-like creation is just not a promising place to invest one's money. Better to build the economic and technical infrastructure for downloading books and articles that will make it worthwhile to the writers and the consumers alike. Ultimately it's all about software.

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    2. Re:Looks really nice but... by Timmmm · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Why should I buy a Kindle when I have a perfectly good laptop and a palmtop or two (phone, PDA) that have basically the same technology?"

      They don't have the same technology though. The advantages over LCD are that they are much much nicer to read, the battery lasts (apparently) for weeks and they are (at least in plastic logic's case) considerably more light-weight.

      The advantage over actual paper is that they can store many more pages, and they don't waste paper.

      They will succeed even if they aren't quite as nice as paper simply because you can carry your entire collection of books/papers/sheet music around with you. You might say 'Why do I need that?' but then why do you need to carry your entire music collection with you?

    3. Re:Looks really nice but... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sit in the middle of the park on a sunny day with your $300 laptop reading the screen and then tell me it's as good as an eInk display. I spent a lot of this summer reading papers in the park on my iLiad. I could sit anywhere from shaded areas to the noonday sun and still read the screen easily. With my laptop I can only just see it in the shade and it's completely invisible in direct sunlight. The battery life is also a lot better than the laptop too - I can read the iLiad for a transatlantic flight, while my laptop battery will run out sometime in the middle.

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  5. Not just newspapers, I hope by openfrog · · Score: 1

    I was shown an early prototype of that when I visited the Cavendish Laboratory in 1990 and I was most impressed. I wish Plastic Logic the best of luck. Although an E-newspaper is an obvious application, I hope that they quickly move to computer screens. After having worked on back-lit screens for years, which causes considerable eye-strain, limiting my productivity (if not sometimes my very ability to work at all), there is not a day I have not been hoping for this technology to reach the market and I will be one of the early adopter when it comes out. I suspect that I am not alone in this situation.

    1. Re:Not just newspapers, I hope by ScaryMonkey · · Score: 1

      Amen. The portable newspaper idea is nice and all, but the day I can buy a monitor that doesn't slowly burn out my retinas will be the happiest day of my life.

    2. Re:Not just newspapers, I hope by jc66 · · Score: 1

      Take note of the date, 1990. I've been hearing about this company around Cambridge for ever. They are a classic case of a good idea fucked up by useless managers. They actually had a working B+W unit about 10 year ago till the idiots in control decidced they had to have colour before selling it. Meanwhile they burnt through their cash on expensive managing directors and golden handshakes and parachutees and god knows what else. Most of the origional good people have left (I supervises one doing his PhD after he left) and it seems to be little more than a marketing scam there now.

  6. First time something nice by Lispy · · Score: 1

    This is the first time I actually see something that might just work. It's nice. Has a decent formfactor and could really work for me. Finally something that doesn't make you look like an idiot while communting on the bus and reading LOTR.

  7. Summary isn't quite right by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Plastic Logic's device, yet to be named, has a highly legible black-and-white display and a screen more than twice as large compared to current versions available on the market."

    That's not quite right, the iLiad DR1000S is on the market right now (and the wifi capable DR1000SW in soon) and they both have similiar sized screens (an A4 sized piece of paper sans normal margins). The difference is that these screens are traditional e-ink screens with glass (?) prone to cracking/breaking while Plastic Logic's is flexible.

    There are other drawbacks to both. This is Plastic Logic's first device. 1st Generation devices can really suck, not to mention 1st one ever out of a company. iRex's pushed out previous ereaders (iliad) but they all suffer from a battery problem: as I understand it the CPU never really goes to "sleep" - draining the thing in a day. One of the point of e-ink was that it takes no energy once the display is rendered. So obviously this is a drawback. Also, since the battery is non-user changeable it will cost that much more to replace more frequently. They promised to fix it soon, but what are promises worth?

    OTOH, iRex recently opensourced much of their software system with more soon to come. Which is a major plus. Also, it has a wacom enabled screen - allowing you to annotate your texts and take notes on it. The problem with all e-ink displays right now is that there will be lag from your writing and it being rendered.

    In reality, we're in the opening stages of the e-ink revolution (much like cell phones in the 80's) and that means we won't have a truly GOOD device for many years. Kindle helped really kickstart it. Hopefully we will see color soon, although that is really one of the lower priority things considered.

    IMHO, this is a niche that a competent software/hardware company (Apple) could really exploit much like they did in previous 'established' niches when the time comes. Just set up a book section in iTunes and they'd have half the market already.

    1. Re:Summary isn't quite right by rolfwind · · Score: 0, Redundant

      What I wanted to add was that e-ink readers could be incredibly useful beyond the instant newspaper/book, library in your hand idea: especially if they would ever combine it with things something like a stylus version (doesn't exist) of the Livescribe Pulse Smartpen (released this year). The pen has few button, rather relying on 'special' paper that really just has some prearranded dots to orient the pen as well as some functions on the bottom of the sheet for the pen to do it's thing. Since that company also lets you print your own paper, this as an ereader stylus could be combined into something incredible useful. IMO, that would be the future of such things:

      http://www.amazon.com/Livescribe-2GB-Pulse-Smartpen-APA-00002/dp/B001AAN4PW

    2. Re:Summary isn't quite right by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

      > IMHO, this is a niche that a competent software/hardware company (Apple) could really exploit much
      > like they did in previous 'established' niches when the time comes.

      And they will. They will let everyone else perfect the technology first, then swoop in with their superior marketing skills and their cult of followers to form a firm base set of customers. In an emerging market that is a big advantage. Look how it worked out with the iPod. At the time the portable player market was small enough that their million or so "we buy anything with an Apple logo" followers allowed Apple to dry up the venture capital market for everyone else by creating an 'overnight sensation'. Note that now only self financed ventures like Sandisk, Chineese production powerhouses and established consumer electronics brands who now even try to compete.

      Expect the same thing to happen to eBooks. Amazon and a few early adopter tech companies will expend the resources to perfect the tech and establish a market. Then Apple will swoop in with something even more DRM infested and tied to a subscription model (if that is possible) than the Kindle, Steve will hold it forth and the tech press will instantly declare it 'insanely great', the faithful will buy a million in the first week and everyone else's cash supply will dry up. Hopefully in this case Sony at least will have the resources and willpower to survive that year and after the hype dies down a bit fight back for marketshare.

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  8. I don't know; nostalgia maybe. by uassholes · · Score: 1
    Next time I'm driving my car I'm sure I'll want something that copies the appearance, but not the feel, of a buggy whip.

    copies the appearance, but not the feel, of a printed newspaper

  9. Getting there... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a little more like it.

    I've recently seen a similar new product for musicians and teachers. It's a display like this one except mounted on a standard music stand. It's got a monochrome display, a SD card slot and a USB port (I believe there's a wireless option, too) and is made to display pages of sheet music. The pages are "turned" by a foot pedal. It can hold scanned sheet music as well as connect to music publishers. There are already several "fake books" (something working musicians use to enhance their repertoires) available in this device's native format. It can also display PDFs and the native format of some of the sheet music editing/publishing applications on the market, such as Sibelius Forte.

    As someone who teaches music a bit and has tons of printed music, I can see this (or the less expensive version which is sure to come soon) making my life a lot easier.

    Oh yeah, I think there's even a touch screen for making annotations or for input of musical calligraphy.

    We've been waiting for products like this - e-readers, etc - to hit the mainstream market for what seems like an awful long time now. I think it might finally be here (I hope).

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    1. Re:Getting there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing about it turning with a foot pedal is that it's not feasible for all musicians -- drummers, especially. I, for one, will forgo buying any such device until it allows me to input a certain BPM that it then calculates through the music and turns the pages that way. I want my reader to be DYNAMIC and interact with my playing style, not try and rule over it.

    2. Re:Getting there... by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      That sounds great, but I think it would be even better if you could play back music with it as well. e.g. backing or accompaniment. Adding a basic MP3 player and MIDI synthesizer to it probably wouldn't increase the price significantly, given how ubiquitous the technology is.

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    3. Re:Getting there... by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      Cool, I guess you will refuse to use regular sheet music too.

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    4. Re:Getting there... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Who knew drummers read music?

      Most of the drummers I know can barely make it through a comic book without moving their lips.

      Live and learn...

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  10. Plastic Thinking by rpp3po · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    How great. A company takes a e-ink panel and wants to put it into a very small enclosing. There's no product yet, but this "innovative" and "great" idea, that only the geniuses at "Plastic Logic" could have.

    There was no breakthrough in engineering, no battery issues or lag problems solved, no improvements in robustness - just the idea of putting a panel into a small case. Look at the promotion video on their website. Even the promotion model can't display its pages without massive horizontal errors. Page flipping is still slow as hell. No plan how they want secure electronic parts from bending. Nothing to see here, just a company thinking plastic logic. In my opinion a marketing stunt by a Cambridge drop-off to attract venture capital to spill out some good earnings for their initial staff.

    1. Re:Plastic Thinking by cathector · · Score: 1

      no kidding. the Suit's explanation didn't exactly wow me either: "it works by taking uh anything that you would normally print out or read on paper, like a newspaper or magazine, and transfers them from either computer or wirelessly, you know, to the device, so that you can, read them."

    2. Re:Plastic Thinking by Timmmm · · Score: 1

      Sorry but you're wrong. While the 'frontplane' - the e-ink display is the same, the 'backplane' - i.e. the drive electronics is different.

      Plastic logic use some kind of plastic circuitry that allows them to make the device so thin (apparently).

      Fair point about the refresh rate & row/column defects though. Hopefully they'll fix those for the production version.

    3. Re:Plastic Thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this modded flamebait? You mods got a brain malfunction? I agree with the post and will add of course that there's no mention of price at all while they have attempted to frame the thing as "business documents". That's fishy and smells like expensive. Yet another pointless eink product.

  11. Marshall McLuhan by Simonetta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    " This lightweight plastic screen copies the appearance, but not the feel, of a printed newspaper. "

    I'm reminded of Marshall McLuhan's observation that any new medium will have as its first content the form of the previous medium.

        Why would anyone want to reproduce the format of the front page of a printed daily newspaper if you have a completely new medium available? Will the new medium be of such slow speed that the contents can only be renewed on the screen once a day (like the front page of a newspaper)? Do the various print topics have to be arranged in blocks like a newspaper? Will advertising really be necessary?

        It's too bad that McLuhan died right when the digital communications era was beginning (1976 I believe). He would have had some significant insights for us.

        One thing that I've noticed is that any new digital medium will ALWAYS reproduce its content in an inferior way to its corresponding analog medium. But, the new digital medium allows the content to be used in ways that so astonishingly different from the analog medium that it comes to surplant the original analog medium. The analog medium becomes a specialized subsystem of the new digital medium.
        For example, consider music synthesizers. Press the cheap plastic keys on a cheap $50 plastic keyboard in BestBuy and you change the instrument being played by the keyboard. None of the instruments being sounded by the keyboard sound as good as the original instruments in orchestral form. But if you play piano, you don't need to spend ten years learning trumpet or violin to get the sound of a trumpet or violin for your music. You just press the digital button on the cheap plastic keyboard. Real trumpets and violin playing becomes a speciality and limited skill as a result of the original analog medium (instrument) being transformed by an inferior digital medium.

    1. Re:Marshall McLuhan by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Not that weird that something trying to be something else may fail. Just look at synths instead, which gives much better music than that acoustic resonance stuff ;) ... or transvestites! :D

    2. Re:Marshall McLuhan by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1
      Durr...we're humans and we always copy what's come before. That, and we have no idea what to put on a new medium, so we put what came before, and then get feedback and revise it. Not too hard to understand.

      Oh yeah and trumpet playing has always been a specialized skill...I don't think marching bands will be replacing their trumpet lines with casio keyboards anytime soon.

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    3. Re:Marshall McLuhan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is a "printed newspaper" anyway?

  12. Meh by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

    The main advantage of e-ink displays, apart from low power and high resolution, is that they're flexible and can be rolled up.

    Like a newspaper for example. Would you buy a newspaper that you can't fold or roll up?
    If I can't stick it in a pocket I won't buy it.

    1. Re:Meh by Timmmm · · Score: 1

      No the main advantage is that you can store all your books/papers/other printed material electronically on one device, and read it comfortably (i.e. not like an LCD).

      And have you never heard of hard-back books?

  13. weird, and here i thought by nimbius · · Score: 1

    all the newspapers had died...well this is great news, now i have a chance to get that shitty advertisement pack in e-form now.

    i only wonder how well e-newspaper does at composting and lighting my charcoal grill?

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  14. Link to engadget article with video by JerryP · · Score: 1
  15. Now How Do I Train My Dog? by DougF · · Score: 1

    Seems a pretty expensive way to housebreak the pooch, let alone get the water out of my soccer boots...

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  16. wrong target marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I think they are aiming wrong with these. they should try marketing them towards college students. even used some of my books are over a hundred. so the price isnt so much of a big deal compared to newspapers. It would be great just not to have to carry all those books around every day.

  17. Color isn't quite right by Ostracus · · Score: 1

    "In reality, we're in the opening stages of the e-ink revolution (much like cell phones in the 80's) and that means we won't have a truly GOOD device for many years. Kindle helped really kickstart it. Hopefully we will see color soon, although that is really one of the lower priority things considered."

    If you follow one of the links in the story. The future of things talks about the technology behind different kinds of E-ink. Including one which I linked to in the past that does color.

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  18. Re:Blonking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give it up, asshole. The post was a racist troll and so are you.

  19. missing the concept by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

    It seems to me people that don't understand the desire for this tech are missing the concept. While they use MP3 players and understand that it makes their music portable they totally miss the fact that this tech makes it possible to make reading material just as portable. Yes. You can open a laptop, connect to a network, connect to a web site, read and article. You can do that for music too. However, how portable are you. Really? How portable is an MP3 player. Add music, plug in ear phones, go jogging. With a reader you can add a book, walk to the park, and have 2 chapters read before someone mugs you for your portable reader.

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