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Next-Gen Mars Rover Mission Delayed 2 Years, To 2011

Riding with Robots writes "NASA announced today that the Mars Science Laboratory, the agency's next Mars rover mission, is now slated to launch in 2011 instead of next year. 'We've reached the point where we can not condense the schedule further without compromising vital testing,' said NASA's director for Mars exploration. The length of the delay is driven by the fact that the orbits of Earth and Mars only provide a favorable flight window every two years."

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  1. Other missions in the works, too by sighted · · Score: 1

    I meant to mention that NASA is not the only agency planning future Mars rovers. The European Space Agency is planning the ExoMars mission. (It's facing its own delays, until 2016 in this case.)

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  2. Again... by wdconinc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Delays and ballooning expenses: some reform at NASA is in order...

    1. Re:Again... by cupofjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Delays and ballooning expenses: some reform at NASA is in order...

      Well, your comment is undoubtedly going to be a common one.

      I was almost inspired to begin "Oh, please...", but I have to admit: I'm a technocrat at heart, and it's just a knee-jerk reaction.

      Regarding Stern's Op-Ed, note that he was in SMD (Science Mission Directorate), a portion of NASA that routinely suffers cutbacks that reward "...the guilty" and punish "...the innocent," to borrow his phraseology, mostly in favor of the Manned Space Program.

      The issue facing MSL is, indeed, endemic within the ranks of advanced "marquee" missions; furthermore, one cannot ignore the fact that it is easily the most advanced planetary surface mission conceived to date. It's likely some mismatch of management and planning has occurred.

      The action to delay MSL's launch until the 2011 window, though, is a choice between following through on a bad bet vs. saving an good investment. It must be seen in light of what it represents: a decision to maximize a return on an already large investment of spent money instead of wasting it unwisely on unnecessary risk.

      Just 0.02.

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    2. Re:Again... by amliebsch · · Score: 2, Funny

      Balooning expenses? What, are they using laboratory-grade helium or something?

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    3. Re:Again... by FTWinston · · Score: 1

      Au contraire, when Griffin came on board, for a while it looked like MSL was going to launch reasonably on-time, despite Ares/Orion ... so they needed to reform to get back to the tried & tested method of delays & ballooning expenses!

  3. Silver Lining by Prysorra · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Looking back, one thing that scientists wish they had is the imaging technology of the 90's...or even now.....back when they first launched Voyager in the 70's. Heck, computers too.

    Now I'm NOT playing the "what if" game, but it helps keep our chins up when things look down.

    They now have 2 years to make it better, faster, more efficient, etc.

    Except cheaper. Too late lol.

    1. Re:Silver Lining by RabidMoose · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good, fast, cheap. Pick two.

    2. Re:Silver Lining by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      We didn't with computers

    3. Re:Silver Lining by clone53421 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're mistaking "fast" meaning performance (i.e. this falls under "good") with "fast" meaning development (and it's taken decades to develop computers as good as the ones we have today).

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    4. Re:Silver Lining by jemtallon · · Score: 1

      That's true - we didn't seem to pick any of those, did we

    5. Re:Silver Lining by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Informative

      They now have 2 years to make it better, faster, more efficient, etc.

      Nope. This late in the game (even with a two year delay) all the hardware is either already built or nearing completion. Redoing major hardware for minor improvements just isn't in the cards. (Most of the hardware is already at 90's standards - where it isn't at 21st century standards.)

  4. Late-Breaking News: Infiltrator Squads Revealed! by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Informative

    The most Illustrious Council of Elders has issued an update concerning the recent lack of activity from the Blue World. K'Breel, Speaker for the Council, spake thus:

    It can now be revealed that our highly-classified programmes in genetic engineering have borne fruit. The thick miasma of nitrogen, oxygen, and water vapor that enrobes the Blue World is no longer an obstacle to us!

    Years ago, dozens of volunteers committed to making the supreme sacrifice, agreeing to genetic modifications that would turn their gelsacs inside-out, that they might be able to breathe the Blue Worlders' toxic soup. Highly-trained, and knowing that theirs was a one-way trip, our infiltrator squads have lived among the Blue Worlders for many years, seeking out employment in the very hearts of their terror labs, and today it can be revealed that they have struck yet another blow against our foe.

    It is no longer necessary for our infiltrators to covertly fiddle with their units of measurement in order to achieve victory *after* launch; the presence of so many infiltrator squads on their homeworld now enables us to overtly delay their launches by a full year or longer!

    Citizens, REJOICE!

    When a dissident journalist suggested that recently-deciphered transmissions suggesting that a combination of economic instability and general technological backwardness among the blue worlders might also account for the observed lack of activity from the enemy homeworld, K'Breel thanked the journalist for his great courage in volunteering for the next infiltrator mission, and had him sent to the nearest genetic re-engineering facility, where the process of gelsac inversion would begin.

  5. Why Mars again? by B5_geek · · Score: 1

    In recent months NASA has proven that there are glaciers of water-ice just sitting under a thin layer of soil. Water-Ice is/was the #1 reason to go looking there. (Yes looking for signs of past life is a big % too, but bear with me.)

    Why continue to send probes there (unless they are the terraforming type) when we could/should be sending probes to Europa or Titan to look for living life in the water under the ice.

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    1. Re:Why Mars again? by amliebsch · · Score: 1

      Why continue to send probes there (unless they are the terraforming type)

      Agreed, send men instead.
      Why I hope there's no life on Mars

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    2. Re:Why Mars again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, that's it? We found water, time to move on?

      There is plenty to discover and learn about Mars, more than what we've gleaned from several landers. And I'm sure there *are* missions being planned to have landers on other planetary bodies.

    3. Re:Why Mars again? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Because you can't just cut through miles of ice to get to the oceans of Europa.

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    4. Re:Why Mars again? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Because you can't just cut through miles of ice to get to the oceans of Europa.

      Sure you can. Deploy a lander with Earth comms equipment connected to a small RTG-powered probe with a metric buttload of fiber optic cable. Let it melt its way down, unreeling fiber as it goes. No need to worry about the ice refreezing above it; in fact, it's a benefit.

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  6. Re:Completely unrelated... by LingNoi · · Score: 1

    More like irrelevant broken link..

  7. Damn those Detroit assholes by gplus · · Score: 1

    A two year delay of a car delivery? What will the Martians think? Those Detroit assholes are an embarrassment to Earth.

    1. Re:Damn those Detroit assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Darn right. And while we're twiddling our thumbs for the next two years the Japanese will just deliver a hybrid Mars rover that gets more miles per gram of isotope.

  8. Re:Late-Breaking News: Infiltrator Squads Revealed by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 1

    How could this possibly be off-topic?

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  9. Clarification on the problem by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

    I was a little worried when I noted in the article that the author was a disguntled ex-NASA employee. Then I realized who the author was: former Science Mission Director administrator Alan Stern. He's the guy who earlier this year was lambasted by NASA higher-ups and Slashdotter's alike for pulling the plug on the ailing Spirit Mars Exploration Rover to save a few million dollars. His decision was forcibly reversed, and being out of favor he resigned. Given my enthusiasm for the rover program, I find my mildly surprised to be sympathetic to his bitterness. He had a limited budget that was too small to support his growing assignments. In a way his decision about Spirit might have been a good thing, because it drew a lot of fast attention to the issue...but he got torpedoed for it and then the attention died away again.

    The problem of delays and ballooning expenses is not an easy one. The mission teams aren't spending their days seeing how far fire extinguishers can propel them down a hallway on an office chair and doing a little bit of development work when it suits them. They're very frequently working their tails off and on overtime, and Homer Simpson walking by wearing Tom Landry's hat isn't going to magically inspire them to greater efficiency.

    The main problem as I see it is that engineers and scientists generally suck at estimating work, and accountants and managers generally suck at understanding technology development to do much better. Add in the fact that cost presented is a big factor in which missions get chosen over all the other candidates, and you've got recipe for severely lowballed estimates.

    Stern is suggesting a really painful fix, and I'm not sure I like it. Cancelling missions that are overbudget or schedule is a hard thing to do. He's right that the "we've spent too much to stop" argument is incomplete, and he's right that supporting wayward projects further encourages poor management, but that's only part of the picture. MSL was originally considered to be worth the $1.4 billion it was approved for. The true sunk-cost argument isn't that we've spent too much to stop now, it's that a mission that was worth $1.4 billion is definitely worth $700 million. We've spent the $1.4 billion, and we can't get it back either way. However, looking at the issue anew, for $700 million we can get a $1.4 billion probe.

    But that's only one mission, it still allows the problem to recur, and it stealthily and unequally replaces the question, "Is this mission worth $2.1 billion?" with two questions, "Is this mission worth $1.4 billion?" and, "Is this mission worth $700 million?"

    I really wish I had a good counterplan to Stern's argument that we should cancel missions that go overbudget and schedule, but I don't. I like to think that an independent NASA auditing group of experienced engineers and bean counters who don't have direct stake in mission selection would result in better initial cost estimates, but I'm not confident of it. Figuring out how much work inventing something new will take is a lot harder than figuring out how much work making something that's been made before like a car will take, and NASA already attempts this to a degree.

    By the same token, I'm not sure Stern's plan will work. It might fail to spur better estimations of scope. Its only accomplishment in that case would be the cancellation of a lot of good projects after a lot of investment with nothing to show for it. The two missions he calls out most deliberately, MSL and the James Webb Space Telescope, are two of the most anticipated, by scientists and civillians alike, science missions on the board for the next 10 years. It would be a shame to kill them and not only fail to get any science return, but fail to fix the problem.

  10. Re:Late-Breaking News: Infiltrator Squads Revealed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    > delay their launches by a full year

    (That's where I soaked the keyboard in beer. One Martian year...) K'Breel and the Council are a /. institution, and so long as someone comes up with something new for them on every Mars thread, the spirit of TripMaster Monkey lives on.

  11. Good Boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now sit rover, wait, wait. Good Satelite!!!

  12. europa Re:Why Mars again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Such things have been proposed. Europa's a pretty darn hostile environment, though, radiation wise. You're talking needing MegaRad hard parts, for instance. And soft landing is no easy matter either.

    It could easily cost a couple gigabucks to do it.