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CES 2009 Shrinks With Dwindling Economy

nandemoari writes "Not long after we first heard murmurs Microsoft may be ready to lay off as much as 17 per cent of its workforce, the popular Consumer Electronics Show, held every year in Las Vegas, is rumored to be shrinking alongside the global economy. The Consumer Electronics Association, host of the CES, estimates that the numbers of both exhibitors and visitors will be down in 2009. The CEA expects about 130,000 people will attend this year, down 11,000 from last year. And about 2,700 exhibitors are expected to attend, down from 3,000 in 2008."

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  1. i'm suprised it's not more by timmarhy · · Score: 1

    really consumer electronics's is hardly top of most peoples list, shelter and food are more important. expect big cuts in the future.

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    1. Re:i'm suprised it's not more by wisty · · Score: 4, Funny

      You should be more sensitive. We just had a Macworld Keynote with none of the overdue iMacs, minis, or MacPros released, no new LCD, and no new iPhone. And no Steve. Why does food and shelter even matter?

    2. Re:i'm suprised it's not more by airos4 · · Score: 1

      Speaking of important things, I wonder how the AVN Adult Entertainment Expo - running just up the street - will fare this year. Sure, consumer electronics are nice, but as we learn from Avenue Q:

      Trekkie Monster: In volatile market, only stable investment is porn!

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    3. Re:i'm suprised it's not more by wisty · · Score: 1

      I know that lipstick is a good investement in downturns (as women use make-up rather than new clothes to make a statement), as is cheap liquor. I wouldn't be so sure about porn, per say (as the internet undercuts it), but sex "equipment" might see an upsurge. (This is not investement advice.)

    4. Re:i'm suprised it's not more by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      And don't forget; either Steve Jobs died or 4chan hijacked the livestream...

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    5. Re:i'm suprised it's not more by SkyDude · · Score: 0
      Larry Flynt is asking for a bailout from the feds.

      {insert comment here}

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    6. Re:i'm suprised it's not more by internerdj · · Score: 1

      Actually the movies have profitted quite well during the recession. Escapism is a huge deal when you feel like the world is coming down around you. If you are still employeed enough to be able to regularly afford movie tickets it isn't really that much of a stretch to buy a new TV.

    7. Re:i'm suprised it's not more by value_added · · Score: 2, Informative

      In volatile market, only stable investment is porn!

      A member of my family is a big name Hollywood director/producer. I asked him the other day how the economic downturn is affecting his industry. During the Depression the entertainment industry did fairly well, so I expected to hear things were fine.

      Turns out I was wrong. Hollywood is hit as hard as everyone else. I'd expect the porn industry to be the same.

    8. Re:i'm suprised it's not more by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But you've got to remember, if you're seeing the economic slump from inside the US, you're seeing the worst of it by far.
      Canada is sluggish, certainly, but not at all in the virtual free fall that the US seems to be getting. Parts of Europe are the same. The only two countries that really seem to be getting hit hard are the US and UK, although China's taking a bit of a beating, too.

      Let's see...all the surveillance states are getting the worst of the economic fallout. Wonder if that means anything?

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    9. Re:i'm suprised it's not more by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? Steve was over at the biggest release ever for Apple, the Macbook Wheel...

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    10. Re:i'm suprised it's not more by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      FWIW, CE Pro magazine reported that the CE industry is expected to grow by 6% in 2009 (the current CE Pro issue to be found all over the CES right now).

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    11. Re:i'm suprised it's not more by Zebedeu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let's see...all the surveillance states are getting the worst of the economic fallout. Wonder if that means anything?

      That correlation is not causation?

    12. Re:i'm suprised it's not more by jcnnghm · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, we've coughed. You'll catch the flu soon enough.

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    13. Re:i'm suprised it's not more by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you're probably right. It's an interesting coincidence, though. Might be worth a little research into it, even if only to show there's no connection at all.

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    14. Re:i'm suprised it's not more by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Maybe we'll just shoot the sick horse. ;)

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    15. Re:i'm suprised it's not more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortunately, unless you're either Russian or Chinese, we already no that collectively, you're too big of a pussy to actually follow through. And if you are Russian or Chinese, that's why we're still developing that missile shield.

  2. Yes, but... by djupedal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dwindle the numbers of exhibitors and visitors all you want, but if you cut back on the booth babes, you've crossed the line...

    1. Re:Yes, but... by troll8901 · · Score: 1

      We'll hire discount babes instead.

    2. Re:Yes, but... by elrous0 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I shudder at the the thought of a 58-year-old Erin Grey in a bikini.

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    3. Re:Yes, but... by minvaren · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Just add hot grits.

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    4. Re:Yes, but... by russotto · · Score: 1

      Dwindle the numbers of exhibitors and visitors all you want, but if you cut back on the booth babes, you've crossed the line...

      It's held in Las Vegas. At the same time as the Adult Entertainment Expo. If the booth babes aren't sufficient, just head down the street.

    5. Re:Yes, but... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Dwindle the numbers of exhibitors and visitors all you want, but if you cut back on the booth babes, you've crossed the line...

      It's held in Las Vegas. At the same time as the Adult Entertainment Expo. If the booth babes aren't sufficient, just head down the street.

      Funny enough, I don't recall a big part of CES being the booth babes - sure they exist, but they never did appear to be a big part of the whole CES experience. Probably this is because you get all sorts of people reporting on CES, and some are from more "family oriented" media. Having a booth babe dancing behind the camera might mean your booth isn't reported at all because they couldn't get "usable" footage.

      OTOH, E3 was well known for their booth babes - probably because E3 appeals to a different audience...

  3. It's much worse than you think by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 3, Funny

    because most of the exhibitors signed up long before the credit crunch started to bite. I'd expect to see a drastically reduced show next year. But at least Apple might attend for a change.

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  4. I hate typing subjects. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The CEA expects about 130,000 people will attend this year, down 11,000 from last year."

    Uh.

    130,000...

    Down from

    11,000...

    That's three significant digits to two significant digits.

    An increase, not a decrease.

    Either this article is wrong, or (more likely, as per usual), the Slashdot editors are asleep. :/

    1. Re:I hate typing subjects. by Smauler · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Down 11000 from last year does not mean down from 11000 last year.

      Either this article is wrong, or (more likely, as per usual), the Slashdot editors are asleep. :/

      I vote the third option!

    2. Re:I hate typing subjects. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did you learn your english? It said "expects about 130,000 people will attend this year, down 11,000 from last year". It did not say "down from 11,000 last year."

      Notice the position of the word "from" AFTER the quantity.

      Bill

  5. News already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't really get this particular piece of "news" or whatever it's supposed to be. It says that they're expecting less than last year, it gives some figures and ... that's it. I doubt that there are no other thing worthy of the front page at this time. This thing should have been news after the event. It would have made some sense to say "they expected this many .., which is .. less than last year and this many .. actually came." Right now I can't see how anyone would be interested in what might happen, as long as that won't influence us directly. A discussion about the expected drop of 10% of exhibitors is completely pointless. Let's wait and see what actually happens and talk about it afterward! This is modern journalism in action: "the popular Consumer Electronics Show, held every year in Las Vegas, is rumored to be shrinking alongside the global economy" Couldn't we just wait a few more days and see if the rumors were true or not and why? It's not like "unemployment will increase by 50% in the next 6 months, let's wait and see if it's true", this is more like "it's rumored tomorrow a famous pigeon will die due to sickness, please share your thoughts regarding this matter, but remember that nobody can do anything about it and we'll only find out what will happen if we wait another awful 24 hours!!1!"

    Oh, did I forget to mention that it blames what might happen in a few days on the economy? There's no doubt about it, I suppose it's true, but nobody knows what impact this will have and nobody cares right now. Will I be disappointed if I get to see only 2700 exhibitors instead of 3000? How the hell should I know, I can't even visit yet and I have to wait a few more days!!! Oh, the pain, the agony, what will happen will clearly change the fate of human kind forever and there's no way we can let that happen, can we? Let's all talk about it, with no reliable sources, because everything is rumored. That will surely do something.

    Simply brilliant front-page article, full of useful information which I will need when I go there.(sarcasm)

    I'm feeling much better now, thank you!

    ~flame~

  6. ... In inverse proportion to Homeland Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm a U.S. citizen who has been residing abroad for the last several years. One thing I have noticed, in speaking with friends from all over the world, is how much more difficult it is to attend family ad professional functions in the US. People have to apply for transit visas, they have to get fingerprinted, have more and more data entered into federal databases. More and more people seem to being denied entry, too. I've heard of nominees for the Latin Grammies who were denied entry because they were coming from Cuba, Europeans who were denied entry because they overstayed a visa a decade ago by two days. Other governments are getting more hostile to travellers, too; please don't get me wrong. (rant=on)However, the US goes a magnitude beyond most other Western governments. The UK seems to be the only other western country that treats business persons, shoppers, etc., whose only fault is being born on the wrong side of an arbitrary line in the sand, like criminals.
    Of course because non-citizens can't vote, it's next to impossible to get this reported in media in the US, and policy will not loosen anytime soon. Of course, policymakers don't realize how much this hurts trade relations, tourism, etc.

    1. Re:... In inverse proportion to Homeland Security by Builder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't let it worry you - I used to put GBP30,000 per annum into the US economy through business and pleasure visits. After getting detained by the idiot gestapo for actually following the rules, I stopped doing that. The business money now generates far more return, and my vacations have taken me to more diverse places as a result.

      Sure, the US economy and its victims have lost over $100,000 from me, but at least I'll never have to deal with the TSA again :)

      To clarify why I was stopped and separated from my wife on her birthday, then kept away from her for several hours while she was not told anything, read on... I applied for a new passport because the US visa waiver programme requires that you have at least 6 months validity on your password on the date of entry. Mine would have had just under 6 months validity left for this trip, so 2 months before travelling I applied for a new passport.

      When I finally got someone from the SS to talk to me about why they were detaining me, we cleared it up pretty quickly:

      Hitler: Why did you apply for a new passport when your old one was still valid?
      Me: Huh?
      Hiter: Your previous visits were on a different passport. That one would still have been valid. Why did you get a new one? What are you trying to hide?
      Me: Uh, the old one would have only had 5 and a bit months left on it. Your visa programme says it has to be valid for at least 6 months
      Hitler: What?
      Me: Well, my old one wouldn't have enough months left valid to qualify for the visa waiver programme
      Hitler: fx: looks at papers and wanders off

      About 30 minutes later they finally cut me loose. And that's how the US economy lost $100,000 to date.

    2. Re:... In inverse proportion to Homeland Security by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Of course because non-citizens can't vote, it's next to impossible to get this reported in media in the US, and policy will not loosen anytime soon. Of course, policymakers don't realize how much this hurts trade relations, tourism, etc.

      Well, just because they can't vote for their rights in the country they're visiting doesn't mean they can't get any rights, or any influence. The idea is that citizens will look at them as human beings, and stand up for their basic rights (even if the right to vote isn't among them). Plus I believe most democracies have signed the odd human rights treaty or two.

      The problem is that most people are scared of other people. Screw trade relations, tourism, etc. What's the point in maintaining them when we can't feel safe in our own country?

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    3. Re:... In inverse proportion to Homeland Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You are absolutely right. I'm European residing in US. Getting a VISA was an extremely humiliating process despite that I came here to do science phd. And they can still refuse my entrance at the borders carrying a valid visa! (without any reason.) I'm and my wife are not allowed to get SSN and without it they treat you as a piece of meat, not a human being. I even can't buy a not-prepaid mobile phone! So I will leave asap. This is not the country of possibilities as it was centuries before.
      So the so-called 'brain-drain' seems to be stopped. And this will ruin the country, while no americans do phd in the field of science and engineering. US will loose control of its world-leading research soon, and as a corollary its world leading position...

    4. Re:... In inverse proportion to Homeland Security by guilliamo · · Score: 1

      Hope you hit U.S. soil within the last seven years. My understanding is if you don't you will lose your citizenship.

    5. Re:... In inverse proportion to Homeland Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After 9/11 I seem to recall it being a popular meme, pushed by the right, that non-citizens don't qualify for civil liberties while in the US. That the US can do all sorts of things to non-citizens and the constitution need not apply. They openly claimed this. And a lot of people, since they hear something repeated from some authoritative-sounding source (your local news, perhaps), they won't question it. So it didn't get challenged.

      I would say that this is also worsened by the fact that the US news media is an echo chamber for the status quo. The minute some information presents itself to challenge it, they spring into action to dismiss and discredit. Kind of reminds me of what I've read about CIA's "MKULTRA", in which (IIRC) the US looked into drugging people to make them look foolish so that no one would buy into their political ideas. I think what happens today is probably a bit more subtle than that, but the idea is similar: if somebody publicly challenges US policy in a few areas, they're radical, unpatriotic, a conspiracy theorist, or worse.

    6. Re:... In inverse proportion to Homeland Security by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      Hah! I also stopped visiting the U.S.A. completely a couple of years ago. I was getting the extra 30 minutes processing in every airport in the U.S., even when going on a domestic flight. I was pulled out of every check-in line for extra questions, then pulled out of the departure lounge for extra questions, and often taken to a small room while my passport was taken elsewhere, before finally being allowed on the plane. No reason was ever given, but it happened more than 20 times; every flight, in fact. FYI, I'm middle-aged with typical north european features, as English a name as you could imagine, an EU passport, and an utterly clean record.

      I have a beard (neatly trimmed, usually), but it can't have been just that...

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    7. Re:... In inverse proportion to Homeland Security by Builder · · Score: 1

      Somebody should start one of those financial countdown clocks...

      "How many 100's of 1000's of $$s have the TSA and US Immigration cost YOU!"

      But obviously with a snappier title :)

  7. So what? by MikeUW · · Score: 4, Informative

    The lack of unabated growth in everything we do is not necessarily a sign of some impending doom.

    Our culture seems to have this mentality that it's a bad thing whenever something isn't consumed more, or more popular this year than the last. But at some point in the long run, if it doesn't stop, things will be far worse. It's okay if fewer people don't go to CES this year...there's still next year. Plus can't people keep up-to-date online? Isn't that what the digital age is all about?

    If you need a reality check re. growth, watch this professor's summary of how continuing growth is ultimately going to hurt us (as most of us at least recognize in an arms-length, academic way): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY

    The video is 8 parts (sorry) and mostly focused on energy/economy, but it's pretty interesting/eye-opening. Most people already recognize these issues, but mostly at an arms-length, academic level. This video really brings reality of our future into focus.

    1. Re:So what? by Aladrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People have that attitude because it has almost always heralded the downfall of the thing that has ceased to grow. Face it, our society is all about 'progress' and that means newer and better goods. If a company stops producing better goods, it'll have fewer customers. It's all downhill from there. Very few companies manage to recover after that.

      As for the 'media' attention and craziness about it, I'm sick of it, too. I don't need journalists or bloggers telling me what I can already see. They seem to have forgotten that their job is to bring new information to people, not just talk about obvious information constantly. (Journalists, that is. Bloggers have always existed just to talk about themselves incessantly.)

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    2. Re:So what? by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      epic fail in economics. less people at CES isn't the end, obviously, but it's an indicator that yet another sector is about to crumble.

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    3. Re:So what? by MikeUW · · Score: 3, Informative

      You should maybe watch the video then...growth (in its various forms) has more implications on our future than just economics (i.e., survival). Economics has little purpose if the day comes around that we have no oil or energy left without sufficient alternatives (leaving us with severly limited productivity/mobility), no food to feed billions, and/or no safe climate to live in.

      I've minored economics...it's a great subject, but as a predictor of the future, it's no better than a weather forecast...that is, it's only moderately accurate in the short term. What I think economics does best is fill-in blanks to explain past trends and observations (e.g., by allocating fictional/hypothetical values like 'opportunity cost' to explain why people make one choice over another), with the hopes of modelling what might happen in the future.

      I wouldn't argue that we shouldn't take indicators into account in our decisions. But lets say this was the last CES, or the tech sector were to 'crumble'. If that happens, something else will take its place - unless we all collectively decide to sit around on our asses moping about the situation.

    4. Re:So what? by jlarocco · · Score: 1, Informative

      Wow, thanks. Very interesting videos.

    5. Re:So what? by value_added · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The lack of unabated growth in everything we do is not necessarily a sign of some impending doom.

      It often is for publically traded companies.

      If a company announces a 10% drop in earnings, you think the investors won't expect that to be made up by cost cutting (i.e., layoffs)? Management can't afford their share price to drop, so they're only too happy to accommodate.

      What's more problematic is that investors demand ever-increasing numbers. If a company's performance is flat, investors are only too happy to take their money elsewhere.

      That last point, incidentally, is one of the fundamental problems in the newspaper industry. Most newspapers have had (and continue to have) regular and respectable earnings. That's fine if the company is privately held, or owned and run by an enlightened and wealthy family, but it isn't good enough for Wall Street. Those newspapers that decided to go public have since discovered that painful truth.

      So while you see no impending doom, others may. And if you don't think a drop of just a few points is no cause for worry, consider how you'd react if your boss decided to meet his budget by cutting your paycheck a few points every quarter and said, "No worries, mate. You're still employed and making money."

    6. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People will always replace broken items, and buy new devices. Just because the masses appear to be becoming less bling or must-have-latest orientated, doesn't translate to everything grinding to a halt. Most people aren't Apple zealots, and won't act like them when new-item appears. People have stopped falling for the "I can't afford it, but I can get it on credit" marketing ploy, so of course things are going to slow down. But all those crappy CRTs will be replaced with naff low-end LCDs panels over the next few years. Portable media devices will still be replaced as the internal batteries grind a slow death, or the screen fscks up, and there'll always be those with high disposable incomes that buy anything because they can.

      Manufacturers have been caught with their pants down. They assumed their boom would continue, so pointlessly removed feature from new devices only to add them back on higher end models at a higher price. Oops, people aren't that dumb and take their custom elsewhere, or simply want for the next iteration of CES and similar shows.

  8. It's the price of success by Kupfernigk · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Consumer electronics nowadays basically do everything consumers want, in an affordable way. As far as I can see there are currently something like 4 breakthrough technologies needed to change that, and they didn't happen last year:
    • Roughly a doubling of battery capacity for the present size
    • Affordable large panel OLED or equivalent displays
    • Cheap A4/USL size electronic paper
    • a really cheap and effective universal home automation system

    Apple releasing a large laptop with a non-user-replaceable battery is a sign of desperation on the battery front, not success. LED backlighting is no longer an expensive technology and has found its way into netbooks, so a new technology is needed there to create significant improvement. And e-readers are just too small. Everything else really works well enough. Consumer electronics is getting to be like plumbing, or refrigerators, or cookers. You don't have Whirlpool fanboys or people who endless post on the Internet on the virtues of push fit versus compression joints. Perhaps it's a sign of maturity of the industry.

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    1. Re:It's the price of success by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      Consumer electronics nowadays basically do everything consumers want, in an affordable way

      Where's my robot maid that cleans and robot servant that empties the gutters and takes out the trash?

    2. Re:It's the price of success by knutkracker · · Score: 2, Informative

      You don't have Whirlpool fanboys or people who endless post on the Internet on the virtues of push fit versus compression joints.

      Welcome to the internet. Please be sure to familiarise yourself with the safety information provided before posting such a silly idea again.

    3. Re:It's the price of success by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Good questions, I don't know perhaps we will have them in the future.

      Snark aside, a robot of humanoid versatility would be nice. We have roombas, and dishwashers and things; but the transition cases(dishes from sink to dishwasher, unsticking stuck roomba) look like they'll be stubbornly human jobs for a while longer.

    4. Re:It's the price of success by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You don't have Whirlpool fanboys

      Obviously, for they are teh suck. But Smeg, now you're talking...

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    5. Re:It's the price of success by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      These are all developments in physics and/or chemistry, really. Consumer electronics companies mostly do that kind of R&D slowly, through schools. CES is about the new n-up preview screen on digital cameras, shit like that. Jerkoff wankfest stuff that doesn't matter. Companies release information on new technologies in press releases, so that they can have the stage to themselves and control the media that goes out (since 99% of it will just be a copy of the PR from some lazy fucks at a "news" organization someplace.)

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    6. Re:It's the price of success by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1
  9. And there was much rejoicing by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

    This is the sort of thing I'd expect to see cut back during an economic slump. Much better to reduce spending on trade shows (including sending people to them to look at booth babes) than to cut salaries and staff.

    Yes, it may mean that some sales that would have been made at the trade show won't happen. Sorry, but when people are worried about how their going to eat they get less excited about mp3 players. Welcome to a cyclical industry.

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  10. Incidentally... by Otter · · Score: 1

    Not long after we first heard murmurs Microsoft may be ready to lay off as much as 17 per cent of its workforce...

    This has been roundly dismissed by many sources at least as credible as the initial "murmurs". (e.g. "The latest to report on the possibility of layoffs at the software giant is the blog Fudzilla, which puts the number of job cuts at 15,000, or nearly 17 percent of Microsoft's worldwide operations.") We'll find out in a week, I guess.

  11. Robots!=consumer electronics by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1
    Well, treating this seriously for a few milliseconds, it's questionable whether robots are consumer electronics. Dishwashers and washing machines do some of the jobs originally done by human servants, but they are classed as "white goods", not electronics, because they mainly depend on motors and pumps for operation. Do you class a car as "consumer electronics"? However, the other answer to the question is, see my point 1 (batteries are a major stumbling block.) And the cost of motors, gears, servos, hydraulics etc. haven't really come down to consumer equipment levels.

    It's like the flying car: it happened but it turned out to be too expensive, hard to fly and dangerous for public use (helicopter). Robots work fine in a controlled industrial environment where the overall costs jusrtify them, but not in a normal house.

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  12. Trade shows are less relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at E3 and MacWorld as another examples. If it demonstrates anything, it's that companies are getting smarter and less willing to throw away money for something that doesn't generate equitable results. It's just another advertising venue, and paying for a few people to have a party isn't the best way to spend those promotional dollars. With bloggers, e-zines, and the web in general, you don't need to pay for the privilege of renting floor space and suites to get people to know about your product. It's more relevant if you're a new company without recognition, but if Sony puts out a press release about its new line of HDTVs, everyone who would have written about them at CES would still write about it.

    1. Re:Trade shows are less relevant by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Informative
      This is EXACTLY the correct answer. One of my larger CE clients is forgoing CES and NAMM this year. Why? They got a bigger marketing return from hosting a $300,000 invite-only party at the Hard Rock Hotel in July 2008, than from spending an equivalent amount of money at the 2008 CES and Winter NAMM shows...

      .
      Dollars are still flowing, they're just going to either smaller/up-and-coming shows, or to private/direct shows and efforts. CES has been about 3 times too big for the last 10 years; there is simply too MUCH of CES to make it relevant for most people, dealers, etc.

      Best to break it in to about 5 different shows: Computers (bring back a real COMDEX), audio/video, telecom (including the 9,000 cell phone accessories guys on the 2nd floor of the convention center), home automation (really belongs at CEDIA anyway), and mobile electronics (which may be a better fit at SEMA).

      When your show takes half the LV Hilton, 1/3rd of the Venetian, the Sands Convention Center, the entire LV Convention Center, and hundreds of additional off-site presentation and demo spaces, it's just too big. Running your own bus system for conventioneers should have been the first clue!

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  13. It's time for this by TimHunter · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Let's see. We spent the last decade or so focusing on consumer electronics and where has that gotten us? We owe China over half a trillion dollars. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt.) We owe our souls to the credit card companies. (http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=6397.) The U.S. lost a half-million jobs in November. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/06/business/economy/06jobs.html.) Maybe it's time to focus on something besides game consoles and big-screen TVs.

    There's plenty of important things that we can be doing with technology. Here's one http://change.gov/newsroom/entry/american_recovery_and_reinvestment:

    To save not only jobs, but money and lives, we will update and computerize our health care system to cut red tape, prevent medical mistakes, and help reduce health care costs by billions of dollars each year.

    Why don't we spend some time and money on something more important than shiny new toys?

    1. Re:It's time for this by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      Why don't we spend some time and money on something more important than shiny new toys?

      You're absolutely right. I think it's time companies go back to matte finishes on things.

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    2. Re:It's time for this by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I somewhat agree but I am shocked just how useful some toys are.
      I got an iPod Touch for Christmas. I had a nano for a long while but I never really used it. I started to look at some of the PodCasts and iPodU.
      I am listening to computer sci classes, podcasts on Linux, BSD, RC Aircraft, Aviation, and foreign relations.
      I also got a Kindle and now I have a lots of books both free and from Amazon.
      While shiny toys can be just shiny toys they do offer a great opportunity for learning.

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    3. Re:It's time for this by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Why don't we spend some time and money on something more important than shiny new toys?

      You are absolutely right, and you can follow the news of the current economic situation so much better on the latest 60" flat screen HDTV just released! You know you'll be more informed with an upgraded picture...

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  14. Re:Thats funny by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

    That it's held every year in Las Vegas?

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    "City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
  15. Re:Thats funny by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    That it's held every year in Las Vegas?

    It could well be .... I just don't want to think about that.

  16. CES = Job Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sooner or later, your boss and your boss' boss are going to figure out how to use Google and Wikipedia (if nothing else, their kids will show them) and then you are going to be hurting for respect. If you take advantage of opportunities like CES to go view products and interact with manufacturers face to face, you have competitive advantage and maybe can evolve (or maintain) your "expert" opinions that the big cheeses are paying you to have. Then there is that whole, getting out of your cage once in a while thing..

    Rooms and Gas are cheap. I smell a Road Trip. See you in Vegas baby.

  17. Re:So what? - What matters is the speed of growth. by mariusc80 · · Score: 1

    The speed of growth matters because companies invest in various goods and they expect that for a grater investment to get greater profit ... to infinity and beyond. It is a mind set ... where companies that don't grow - even if they bring good profit - are seen as sick. That's how the economy was set to run - to expect more in the future.

  18. Re:boycottt slashdot by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

    That's not a troll! That's parody, you dumb shits!

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  19. Is this self-imposed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last I checked, CES had no space available for additional vendors. All booth spaces were booked.

    So one wonders, is vendor attendance down because CES was cautious and imposed limits on itself?

  20. prostitution industry is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as CES is basically an excuse for middle aged fat dudes to get away from home, drink, and engage in sex with prostitutes (and doesn't that just go so well with gadgeteering?) it would mean that any shrinking of the CES will result in major problems for the prostitution industry.

    this mess has no bounds!

  21. Re:Yeah, Goldman Sachs is totally disreputable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, that's impressive. I mean the amount of people who link to twitter's lame submissions is just out of this world.

    Oh wait. Never mind.