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Nano-motors For Microbots

Smivs writes "The BBC are reporting on the development of tiny motors the size of a grain of salt which could power surgical Microbots. Some surgical procedures are hindered by the size or inflexibility of current instruments. For example, the labyrinthine network of blood vessels in the brain prevents the use of catheters threaded through larger blood vessels. Researchers have long envisioned that trends of miniaturisation would lead to tiny robots that could get around easily in the body. The problem until now has been powering them. Conventional electric motors do not perform as well as they are scaled down in size. As they approach millimetre dimensions, they barely have the power to overcome the resistance in their bearings. Now, research reported in the Journal of Micromechanics and Microengineering has demonstrated a motor about 1/4mm wide, about the width of two human hairs."

77 comments

  1. Seriously. by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 3, Funny

    I for one, welcome our new surgical microbot wielding medical overlo--I mean "doctors".

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    1. Re:Seriously. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So that is how the Borg will originally have developed...

    2. Re:Seriously. by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome the first instance of grey goo !
      Tell me, these things will run some software, right ?

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    3. Re:Seriously. by couchslug · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I for one, welcome our new surgical microbot wielding medical overlo--I mean "doctors"."

      Me too. Yessiree.

      They will swim in my brain and they carry knives.... That negates even my nicest tinfoil hat. :(

      I'm thinking compliance is in order.

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    4. Re:Seriously. by Hordeking · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome the first instance of grey goo ! Tell me, these things will run some software, right ?

      Yes. It'll run linux on a beowulf cluster of grey goo.

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    5. Re:Seriously. by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      They run on wetware.

  2. Sizes by Thanshin · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    a motor about 1/4mm wide, about the width of two human hairs."

    Seriously? People are unable to visualize mm?

    Who can pass basic schooling without ever using a ruler?

    Maybe their's was marked in human hairs, however gross that would be. Maybe the next unit was a finger? An eye?

    1. Re:Sizes by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Maybe their's happened to know's the proper's use of apostrophe's.

    2. Re:Sizes by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

      In America they have the imperial system. They wouldn't know what fuck a millimeter is. They call them "Eight hairs".

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    3. Re:Sizes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A hand? A foot? *gasp*

    4. Re:Sizes by sortius_nod · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      If I only had mod points...

    5. Re:Sizes by bronney · · Score: 1

      You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France? :)

    6. Re:Sizes by ya+really · · Score: 4, Informative

      As an American physics student, I'm insulted :p, but this is generally correct for most Americans. Hooray, lets count in base 12 or base 16 or "base whatever feels nice." Base 10 you say? No way that could ever be easier.

      Though I'd like to add at least we stick with a system, the Brits seem to have an identity crisis where they cant seem to decide if they like the Imperial System or Metric. Pint glasses, miles per hour, liters, pounds (and not the monetary kind), etc etc. Now that's pretty crazy.

    7. Re:Sizes by EdibleEchidna · · Score: 1

      "In America they have the imperial system. They wouldn't know what fuck a millimeter is. They call them "Eight hairs"."

      As in "my girlfriend's Brazilian has a millimeter"?

    8. Re:Sizes by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 2, Funny

      A thick human hair is about 0.18 mm, whereas a thin human hair may be as thin as 0.017 mm - , so the thickness of two human hairs may vary by more than a factor of 10 !

      That's like saying, it's the size of a common green pea (about 0.5cm diameter) when in fact it's the size of a medium size citrus lime. That's like comparing Jessica Alba with This unkown person

    9. Re:Sizes by Thanshin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's like saying, it's the size of a common green pea (about 0.5cm diameter) when in fact it's the size of a medium size citrus lime. That's like comparing Jessica Alba with This unkown person

      For some reason, I'd guess one or both links are nsfw.

    10. Re:Sizes by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but Britain they're *traditional*. I'm not sure about Canada, but in Australia we just use the metric system.

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    11. Re:Sizes by e-Flex · · Score: 1

      They (you over there) are apparently using the metric system more and more all the time, like in the restaurants my brother used to work and go to school in.

    12. Re:Sizes by ani23 · · Score: 1

      i didn't know world of warcraft characters had so many customisation options

    13. Re:Sizes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Base 10 = Binary? Or were you talking in Base Ten?

    14. Re:Sizes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the last one.

      I checked for you.

    15. Re:Sizes by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      I find it ironic that The US was one of the earliest innovators of simple easy to use base ten money, and we've been unable to convince anyone to use base ten for anything else since.

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    16. Re:Sizes by smoker2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Metric measurements are precise, but not everything has preciseness as it's main aim. In an analogue world, things like half, quarter, eighth, 16th are more easily understood than 0.275, 1.1756 etc etc. You can't divide anything using base 10 for very long before you end up using a decimal point. Real world items don't have decimal points. Divide a loaf of bread between 8 people, do you work out what 0.125 of the loaf is then weigh each piece off or do you just split into halves repeatedly ? Fractions are still useful, take Pi for instance. 22/7 is exact - 3.142 is far from exact. Analogue watches convey the information you need, ie. how long until ... or how long past. Digital watches just give you a figure which you then have to convert into your desired answer.

      In short we don't have a crisis at all. And we don't make the mistake of mixing the two together like some people ... And we can spell litres properly. But then judging by past American localisation, the liter is probably 0.827 of a real litre.

    17. Re:Sizes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      délicieux

    18. Re:Sizes by mangu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Divide a loaf of bread between 8 people, do you work out what 0.125 of the loaf is then weigh each piece off or do you just split into halves repeatedly ?

      That's really useful to know. But one of the guys isn't hungry, how do we split the loaf among seven people?

      take Pi for instance. 22/7 is exact - 3.142 is far from exact

      Huh? Do you live in some state that has legislated the value of pi? In my calculator, (3.142 - pi) equals 0.000407, while (22 / 7 - pi) equals 0.00126, which means the decimal approximation you gave is three times more exact than the fraction.

      Analogue watches convey the information you need, ie. how long until ... or how long past. Digital watches just give you a figure which you then have to convert into your desired answer.

      That's why for some applications analog instruments are better than digital ones. When you are fine tuning an electronic equipment, for instance, it's often better to use an analog multimeter because the movement of a needle gives a better visualization of a peak value than a string of changing digits. But the analog multimeter is calibrated with the exact same scale as the digital equipment.

      Analog vs. digital has nothing to do with decimal vs. arbitrary multiples. A digital watch gives time in the same duodecimal units as the digital watch, which makes it so hard to perform calculations involving time.

      If it takes me twenty minutes to paint a door, how long will it take me to paint twenty three doors? Answer: multiply 20 * 23 = 460 minutes, divide by 60, that's seven, 460 - 7 * 60 = 40, the remainder is minutes, so the answer is seven hours and forty minutes.

      If a board is twenty centimeters wide, how wide are twenty three boards? Answer: multiply 20 * 23 = 460, move the decimal point two digits to get 4.60 meters.

      Why can't you Americans face the simple truth that the arithmetic we use has ten different digits, which means it's much simpler to divide by ten than by any other number?

    19. Re:Sizes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your relation to half with 1/2 is in your head.

      you can be programmed to relate half to .5, quarter to .25, eighth to .125, 16th to .625

      don't confuse simplicity with habit and because you were programmed differently

    20. Re:Sizes by santiagoanders · · Score: 1

      ... 16th to .625

      don't confuse simplicity with habit and because you were programmed differently

      or incorrectly.

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    21. Re:Sizes by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 2, Informative

      take Pi for instance. 22/7 is exact
      Pi is irrational. That means no fraction is exactly correct.

    22. Re:Sizes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on where you work. I just happened to be employed at Large_breast.jpg Incorporated (R).

    23. Re:Sizes by quickOnTheUptake · · Score: 2, Funny

      A 227gramer with cheese?

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    24. Re:Sizes by quickOnTheUptake · · Score: 1

      precise has to do with the measurement. Not the scale. You can be as precise as you need to using imperial units (you just use bigger denominators).
      Also, 22/7 is not exact. It is accurate to 3 significant digits. Since pi is an irrational number, it can't be written as a fraction.
      But I do agree, for many everyday uses fractions tend to be more natural.

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    25. Re:Sizes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pi/1 is exact.

    26. Re:Sizes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My math is a little fuzzy but wouldn't it be a 113 grammer?

    27. Re:Sizes by againjj · · Score: 2

      take Pi for instance. 22/7 is exact - 3.142 is far from exact

      Huh? Do you live in some state that has legislated the value of pi?

      Probably Indiana.

    28. Re:Sizes by fprintf · · Score: 1

      Royale with cheese. And the Dutch, man, they put mayo on their fries!

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    29. Re:Sizes by quickOnTheUptake · · Score: 1

      yes

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    30. Re:Sizes by AmericanInKiev · · Score: 1

      sure divide in base 10 by 3.
      go on i'll wait.
      meanwhile a third of a foot is 4 inches,
      a third of a circle is 120 degrees,

      number systems which are easy to divide enable builders to complete building faster than non-divisible counting systems.
      I suppose the base10 crowd divides circles into 1000 degrees?

    31. Re:Sizes by Detritus · · Score: 1

      I know what 5.56 mm is. Say hello to my little friend.

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  3. What would be awesome by Centurix · · Score: 5, Funny

    "tiny motors the size of a grain of salt which could power surgical Microbots"

    Or, they could power grains of salt. Hours of fun at the dinner table.

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    1. Re:What would be awesome by ByteSlicer · · Score: 4, Funny

      I predict that within 100 years, these motors will be twice as powerful, ten thousand times larger, and so expensive that only the five richest kings of Europe will own them.

  4. Tiny balls by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1

    I'd be impressed to see the bearings of a millimeter-sized engine.

    1. Re:Tiny balls by jank1887 · · Score: 2, Informative
  5. bloodwork by Iamthecheese · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can I finally have my artery-clearing, cancer-attacking, medicine-carrying, and blood-clotting robots that will imediately improve my lifespan, quality of life, and allow me to eat all the cheese potato chips I like?

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    1. Re:bloodwork by master5o1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Until the robots shutdown inside your arteries and become artificial-cholesterol.

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    2. Re:bloodwork by sholsinger · · Score: 1

      Speaker: That is when we send in the nano-sized repair bots. Who repair and/or disassemble the defective units...
      [Enter aide, stage left] An aide walks briskly into the room and heads for the speaker.
      Aide: (whispering)
      Speaker: Oh...
      Aide: (whispering)
      Speaker: ...Hmm...
      [Exit aide, stage left] The aide leaves.
      Speaker: ... nevermind.

    3. Re:bloodwork by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 1

      My guess is they'd end up as a death machine network first, and cure for heart disease later. And it will be patented. But the bootleg version from china will be available for less and include an FM radio.

  6. Gumbercules! by NoobixCube · · Score: 3, Funny

    Am I the only one who can't help but think of the parasites Fry got from the sandwich?

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    1. Re:Gumbercules! by eltaco · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking rather of the outer limits episode, where a guy who was sick had his scientist buddy inject him with nanites to heal him. in the beginning it all went well and the formerly sick guy was feeling better and better. then he started to mutate; cross-ribs, eyes in the back of his head, etc etc. apparently the nanites didn't just decide what was dead or diseased tissue, they actually decided how they could make the host "better".

      it's basically a reiteration of the whole advanced / self-replicating / conscious / self aware AI thingy so popular in sci-fi, but still..

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  7. Worlds smallest singing bass fish by schwillis · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now they can make the worlds smallest animatronic singing bass fish.

    1. Re:Worlds smallest singing bass fish by RuBLed · · Score: 1

      Is it ill-tempered?

  8. Then this proves that... by RuBLed · · Score: 3, Funny

    (bearing) resistance is futile.

    1. Re:Then this proves that... by ya+really · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I forsee it as one step closer to my nanobot army and gray goo everywhere.

    2. Re:Then this proves that... by Manuel+M · · Score: 1

      Taking into consideration that these people are thinking about using {micro, nano}bots precisely to explore our brains, and keeping the whatcouldpossiblygowrong mindset, this article gives a whole new meaning to gray goo everywhere.

    3. Re:Then this proves that... by larpon · · Score: 1

      just Slap the Goo(n) then :)

    4. Re:Then this proves that... by Hordeking · · Score: 1

      static or sliding friction? Specifics, people!

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  9. That's no nano-motor boy, no nano-motor! by EdZ · · Score: 4, Informative

    0.25mm is hardly nanoscale. It's not even milli-scale!

    1. Re:That's no nano-motor boy, no nano-motor! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    2. Re:That's no nano-motor boy, no nano-motor! by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      0.25mm is hardly nanoscale. It's not even milli-scale!
      True, but it's small enough for an awful lot of surgical purposes. It could be enough to remove (in very small pieces) a lot of previously inoperable tumors, for instance.

    3. Re:That's no nano-motor boy, no nano-motor! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article doesn't call them nano, it's just classic Slashdot exaggeration (aka crappy editing).

  10. Still gonna get stuck? by JakartaDean · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't that still too big to get through a capillary? Eventually they'll still get stuck somewhere, I'd imagine, and then you get a little tiny blood clot in a capillary. Maybe that's not a problem in the brain, I don't know. I still don't think you'd want millions of them blocking random capillaries and killing random nerve cells.

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    1. Re:Still gonna get stuck? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not with it's nano-progressive-knife it won't.
      Then again, it may not actually cure you...

    2. Re:Still gonna get stuck? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speak for yourself.

  11. ... reading TFA makes better jokes by troll8901 · · Score: 4, Funny

    You, Sir, have obviously read TFA, and thus is far superior to the rest of Slash... I mean, Collective.

    You will be assimilated to serve as a bridge between the hairless apes and the overlords.

    You will be named "Rublecutus of Borg".

  12. No change in 50 years??! by AaronLawrence · · Score: 2, Informative

    From TFA:

    Take a look however at the motors, and there are few changes from the motors available in the 1950s.

    Er, maybe the basic design is similar, but motors are extraordinarily smaller (such as the 5mm wide specimens used in radio control kits nowadays) and there are new designs as well, such as stepper motors.

    I think this article slightly exaggerates to make this seem more exciting...

    Another random thought: this article assumes that a rotating motor is still needed, but why? If bacteria and other things move around by other means, maybe the only efficient methods of movement at small scales are NOT rotating?

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  13. Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just send a second brain robot, to clear away the first. It's like the financial crisis really, when you get into problems due to loose lending, lend more money to get out of the crisis. An absolute no brainer.

  14. Nanosoft Windows by anonymous+donor · · Score: 1
    New hardware found!

    Insert disk with drivers for SuperAwesome nanomotor and press a key to continue.

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  15. Nano? by Hardtrance · · Score: 1

    I am not a molecular technologist. However I'm fair sure that "grain of salt" does not equal "nano"

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    1. Re:Nano? by db10 · · Score: 1

      Well you should take things you read with a grain of salt.

  16. RFID by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

    Just power them like RFID. Put some wire coils on the back and induce current in the coils with EM flux.

    If my underwear has this technology, surely these medical researchers can get a hold of it.

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  17. Other uses by i+am+calliope · · Score: 1

    As a person in psychology, I think these advances could yield different and/or more precise diagnostic tests for people suffering from psychological illnesses. It may lead to a better understanding of how the brain works. It could lead to many exciting studies in the neuro-psychological field. Now the questions are, what will be done with them and once we are done doing whatever it is we are doing with the microbots, how do we get them out?

  18. Do the (dismal) math by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you do the math, the prospects for tiny motors is supremely dismal.

    You see there's a basic problem-- the torque goes down as the cube of the motor's length, while the friction goes down as the square. In addition magnetics don't work well when you get down to the size of magnetic domains.

    By the time you get down to the grain of salt size, motors can just barely overcome friction. Any smaller and they can't even turn over. You might notice in TFA there's no clear indication they've gotten one to rotate at all. Not surprising.

    I would not bet any agricultural properties on this.

  19. Feynman says.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is plenty of room at the bottom.

  20. All your bases... by MickLinux · · Score: 1

    No. You could as easily say it was octal or hexadecimal.

    Clearly, Base 10 obviously refers to the identity theorem. It means you use whatever base is convenient.

    Just, before you do, you have to declare...

    "All your bases are belong to 10...."

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  21. "Expert" speaks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm one of the 'experts' from QinetiQ who was asked to comment on this.

    For those who are interested in the technical detail, the motor comprises an off the shelf piece of PZT (piezoelectric), which is glued to a specially shaped (by EDM if you are interested) helical piece of metal, shaped such that when it's excited axially, it will also tend to rotate (as you would expect from a helix). The up and down, coupled with a rotating backwards and forwards makes things move if you get the relative phases right. Bit like a USM motor you might find in a camera lense.

    It was tested by balancing a small ball bearing on the end, and measuring the rotation of the ball under drive. It went respectably fast (sorry, I forget exactly how quick).

    What the article doesn't mention is that to run something like this you need drive electronics, and as always - power. These two are likely to increase the practical system volume by an order of magnitude.