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Amazon Enters Gaming Market

eldavojohn writes "Ars brings us news of Amazon's entrance into the casual gaming market after purchasing Reflexive last year. Amazon identifies this sort of gaming as a good start for its demographic of customers and is certainly making competitors in the field nervous. There is a lot of evidence that Amazon is testing the waters to see how these small time games go as a prerequisite to something bigger, although they aren't talking. From Ars, 'For the first week, visitors will even be able to grab three games for free: Jewel Quest 2, Build a Lot, and The Scruffs. That, along with the ability to try every game before you buy, should be enough to entice fans of casual gaming to check out Amazon's offerings. It also looks like this could be Amazon's first step into the world of digital distribution for video games.' Do you think this trial will go well for Amazon?"

52 comments

  1. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do think it will.

    1. Re:Yes by StingRay02 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know how much I'll use the service later on, but I've already grabbed the free games. Incidentally, there's a fourth free game available; Big Kahuna Reef. It's not advertised, as far as I can tell, so I don't know if there might be more hiding in the pages.

    2. Re:Yes by illumastorm · · Score: 1

      I do have have one tiny issue with being required to use a download manager that I do not want or need. You can uninstall the manager and the games run fine. I just grabbed a couple free games and I don't plan to use this service again.

    3. Re:Yes by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Me too.

      Who says Slashdot isn't a site for informed debate:)

  2. Damn you slashdot by afidel · · Score: 3, Funny

    You've broken Amazon, good job! I went to checkout with Jewel Quest and there was an unknown error.

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    1. Re:Damn you slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why we cannot have good things!

  3. Fail by longacre · · Score: 0, Redundant

    All the titles on there are Windows only. Any plans to expand to other platforms?

    1. Re:Fail by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Plans as in "We'll say that we have plans just so the Mac/Linux types will shut the hell up" or actual ones? Yes on the former, no on the latter.

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    2. Re:Fail by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      Sources tell me they would have launched with a copy of "Frozen Bubble" but were so afraid of getting their servers slashdotted by the huge demand from the linux gaming community that they decided to hold off a few weeks...

    3. Re:Fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod that reply up. Seriously. People complain about stores not selling games for Linux but when you look around for games for Linux there just are not that many compared to other platforms. Free stuff - yeah. Commercial quality hits? Hardly ever.

    4. Re:Fail by WilliamTS99 · · Score: 1

      I used the Amazon download program to download and install the free game Big Kahuna Reef using WINE that is in the Ubuntu 8.10 repositories.

  4. Windows only by psergiu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The games there are windows-only. Please tag as "windowsonly" so the Linux, BSD & Mac OS loving fellow slashdotters will know that they should skip this slashvertisment.

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    1. Re:Windows only by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good point, since so many other games run on Linux, BSD and Mac.

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    2. Re:Windows only by martinw89 · · Score: 1

      Yeah:
      Frozen Bubble, Neverball, Neverputt, Pingus...

      Those are just high quality casual games that were off the top of my head.

    3. Re:Windows only by slackbheep · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think they were talking about games people are willing to pay for.

    4. Re:Windows only by not+flu · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately I feel I must inform you that those are not, in fact, particularly high quality casual games. The only reason anybody cares about a single one of them is that they are free as in freedom.

    5. Re:Windows only by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      The games there are windows-only. Please tag as "windowsonly" so the Linux, BSD & Mac OS loving fellow slashdotters will know that they should skip this slashvertisment.

      Here are the Linux games:
      http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Systems-Games/b/qid=1233752310/ref=sr_tc_img_2_0?ie=UTF8&node=290573

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    6. Re:Windows only by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

      Why not tag "USAonly" also, since they're only downloadable by people with a US billing address?

      Then the rest of the world (the little bit that stretches beyond US borders) can skip the slashvertisement too.

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    7. Re:Windows only by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      TF2 mouse pad I love that game

    8. Re:Windows only by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      They tagged it as "games." That should have been enough to tip off the Linux, BSD, and Mac OS crowd that it was not for them.

    9. Re:Windows only by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      Y'know, I used "Frozen Bubble" as a punchline in my post above, but you're here taking it seriously.

      That's pretty scary...

    10. Re:Windows only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The company Amazon acquired to provide these games (Reflexive Entertainment) has a Mac portal so it seems reasonable to assume that a Mac offering is in the future.

    11. Re:Windows only by I+cant+believe+its+n · · Score: 1

      Y'know, I used "Frozen Bubble" as a punchline in my post above, but you're here taking it seriously.

      That's pretty scary...

      Nobody puts "Frozen Bubble" in a corner!

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    12. Re:Windows only by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Only the good ones.

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  5. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The games are US only too - your IP is tested as well to confirm your location.

    Proxy.

    1. Re:Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit, I just downloaded all three from Germany with an IP resolving to DE.

    2. Re:Anonymous Coward by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The games are US only too - your IP is tested as well to confirm your location.

            Yes because who knows what would happen if these games ended up in Syria, Iran, or in the hands of the Taliban!

            You know, speaking as someone who lives outside the US, these IP checks are a pain - especially when they are poorly implemented. For example, because of my Latin American IP number, I can only buy the "Spanish" version of some software, despite the fact that having been born in Canada and just living here I would still prefer the English version.

            Meh, I guess I should set up a linux box at my US address and just do my surfing through that.

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    3. Re:Anonymous Coward by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Well, if Jack Thompson has taught us anything, it's that video games promote violence. So if Syria, Iran, or the Taliban got their hands on video games, they would become violent.

      (I will not proceed to remove my tongue from my cheek.)

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    4. Re:Anonymous Coward by Rycross · · Score: 1

      And most technical people and a good chunk of the business people would love to just have a single portal servicing the globe. The problem is 1) the people who produce the product like to segment the market and will put pressure on you to do so, and 2) layers and legal restrictions. Do you think Amazon coded up IP checks just for fun? I'm reasonably sure that there quite a few engineers and businesspeople over there that are just as annoyed about having to implement a "worthless" feature as you are.

  6. Some info, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    1) You need an Amazon account with a credit card number. Hitting the download button directs me to sign in and then choose my payment.

    2) Amazon requires you to use their downloader.

    3) From what I'm hearing, Jewelquest2 is time limited to 30mins. Forced Casual? Heh.

    - AJK

  7. Proprietary downloader by Atario · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just tried this.

    They make you download and install their special downloader first. This installs a service and a tray icon that run at startup, and provides no easy way to disable this (short of uninstall). (That is, easier than disabling them with RegEdit and Services console.) The downloader also makes you "name" your machine for its own purposes, and you pick which machine you're downloading to on the download page. I'm guessing this must lock that copy in to that machine (else why ask?).

    Yuck.

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    1. Re:Proprietary downloader by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      It's not terribly different than BigFishGames' service. BFG doesn't require you to name the computer, or specify which one will be downloading, though.

      BFG allows you to download each game you buy on up to 3 computers. I even emailed them, and that's how they responded, so it's not a loophole or anything.

      They also allow you to subscribe for a year and pay only $7 per game, as opposed to the $20 regular price or $10 Amazon price. (You must purchase 12 tokens, 1 per month minimum, while you are subscribed. You can quit early if you get to 12 before 12 months, or you can save your tokens indefinitely. Or give them to other people.)

      Amazon's TOS says that each game's EULA specifies how many times you can download it, but then doesn't provide a way to see that EULA from the site. I assume a Demo will show the EULA, but I don't know that for sure.

      So yes, there's DRM. You're free not to buy these games if you don't like that. It's not invasive 'destroy your hardware' drm like certain others out there.

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    2. Re:Proprietary downloader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=22105
      What about DRM issues with multiple game downloads? "That'll all be driven by the individual publishers rather than by us," Hart says. "They'll have specific rules and the customer will have to [abide by] specific EULAs with their games."

      So DRM options are decided by publishers.

    3. Re:Proprietary downloader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      also they are worse than the porn sites with "age verification by credit card" entry portals- you can't even download their "free" content they tease everyone with unless you file a credit card no. with them. stinks!

    4. Re:Proprietary downloader by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1

      So yes, there's DRM[...]It's not invasive 'destroy your hardware' drm like certain others out there.

      Yet.

    5. Re:Proprietary downloader by acohen1 · · Score: 0

      The installed got as far as making registry entries than just sat there on my Vista SP1 laptop. Had to cntrl-alt-del it since the cancel and x buttons were unresponsive. I wouldnt have bothered if I knew it was going to systray.

    6. Re:Proprietary downloader by kuviaq · · Score: 1

      Bigfishgames amended their policies and now offer "unlimited" activations on as many computers as you like.

    7. Re:Proprietary downloader by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      I just checked and it's apparently '15', not 'unlimited'... But that's still way better than 3. Thanks for the info!

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    8. Re:Proprietary downloader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The downloader also makes you "name" your machine for its own purposes, and you pick which machine you're downloading to on the download page. I'm guessing this must lock that copy in to that machine (else why ask?).

      If this is anything like their other "digital downloads" (books, movies, TV shows), you need to name the machine to tell Amazon which computer should queue up the download (using that "special downloader" service). The Amazon web page and Buy Now button do not actually download anything, but instead send a message to that service. You can, in fact, browse amazon.com at work and tell it to send your downloads to your home computer.

      Also, if it is anything like their VOD movies, you can only install to one machine at a time, but can uninstall and redownload to a different device as many times as you want.

    9. Re:Proprietary downloader by f_raze13 · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, if you're running StartupMonitor or any similar program, or have even a basic ability to use msconfig, you may simply close the downloader, and it will never open again until you need it again.

      I do agree that the DRM on it is rather bogus, though.

  8. Why must I 'pay' you for something free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Click the link for a 'free' game and it asks for credit card information. Forget that! Yeah -- uhm... Usenet doesn't do that when I download free games.

  9. If this is the same Amazon Video, then am out... by freedom_india · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Amazon has a great reputation as a hard goods shipper. Excellent site, and great shipping. BUT it sucks in areas where Apple is King.
    Video downloads was a disastrous service by Amazon.
    First of all they have this crazy DRM fear so much that they rape your PC installing their downloader.
    Second, they limit you to US by IP address...
    I mean they ship their DVDs worldwide, but can't let me download a video outside of US???
    Stardock got it right with their downloadable games option. Download from anywhere, even outside of US, and play anywhere without screwing up your PC.
    Of course some of their games are lame, but i expect to see more 3rd parties coming in their way.
    As a frequent traveller out of US, i strictly limit myself to Amazon for buying ONLY DVDs and Books. Rest all, i get locally.
    Games? I would rather buy a DVD at a local store or download from Stardock or buy from independent producers (Democracy 2 anyone) instead of going to Amazon.

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  10. Jewel Quest 2 = Wild Tangent = Spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Total garbage. You don't get something for nothing. This is like some cheesy pop up that offers a free cell phone.
    If you're stupid enough to download it I guess they figure you deserve it.

  11. Nice move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Must admit, if you're into those simple puzzle and seek'n'find type games, Reflexive and BigFish have the market sown up. Sounds like a nice little sideline earner for the big A!

  12. SpAmazon strikes again by osgeek · · Score: 1

    I guess that explains the spam I received this morning on my Amazon-only email alias.

    Very annoying.

  13. Re:If this is the same Amazon Video, then am out.. by Aladrin · · Score: 1

    Sounds like it isn't for you, then.

    This is definitely DRM'd and you have to register individual computers with the DRM service.

    They do limit you by area... It says right on the page you must be in the US and have a US credit card.

    On the other hand, the price is half that of what these games normally are. For some, that's enough. Personally, I just want to play the game... As long as it doesn't harm my computer, I'm okay with DRM when I get a discount. It's not like the full versions have no DRM anyhow.

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  14. Familiar... by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

    I would swear I've seen most of these as Flash/Shockwave games on Miniclip, Armor Games, Kongregate, and others. If I can play for free in a browser, why would I spend $10 to download them?

    1. Re:Familiar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would be wrong. Only a small handle of those titles have limited, scaled down Flash DEMOS. The download versions are much more polished and feature-complete.

  15. Crimsonland by Reapy · · Score: 1

    Crimsonland ... Reflexive, are they the same publisher for this game? If you haven't seen it, i highly suggest it, it is a pretty amazingly addictive small game. I don't usually purchase small games like this but after about 10 minutes with it the guy had my 20 dollars.

    I wonder if with some bigger backing there might be another version of this game, which could only be a good thing.

  16. Re:If this is the same Amazon Video, then am out.. by DeskLazer · · Score: 1

    I'm not defending amazon, but a lot of places do the US restriction thing because if you live outside of the US, copying/sharing files aren't necessarily prosecuted in your country [see TPB, as of so far], so they want you to not distribute the material to pirates. arrrr.

  17. The untold story here is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The untold details here are:

    1. Amazon purchased Reflexive Entertainment.

    2. The offerings by Amazon represent about 45% of Reflexive's library.

    3. The games used to be priced $19.95 but for some reason Amazon thinks it's a good idea to chop that down to $9.99 and in many cases even $6.99

  18. Re:If this is the same Amazon Video, then am out.. by freedom_india · · Score: 1

    The problem with larger corporates is that they treat every broadband user as a criminal.
    Every single one.
    Smaller game companies or indie producers do not do the same.
    Take Democracy 2 for instance.
    I paid for the PC version BECAUSE:
    1) It was not DRM'ed.
    2) I got the Mac version too!
    If i buy AoM from MSFT, i need to pay twice: Mac & Windows.
    Why can't RIAA/MPAA/BSA make a deal something like this:
    I buy a license to see/play/listen directly from their websites or partners.
    I can then download it from official/unofficial torrents, RS or ML or damn anywhere else.
    In any format i choose, and play it anywhere i like!
    Why do they restrict us to a media and then DRM it BUT license it and not sell it?
    All they need is money. They care shit about media.
    If i buy a license, their distribution costs can be halved/zeroed.
    Iam free to download it from anywhere else.

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