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DoD Sharing Threat Data With Critical Industries
Hugh Pickens writes "The Washington Post reports that for the past two years, the Defense Department has been collaborating with critical industries to stem the loss of important defense industry data — by some estimates at least $100 billion worth over that time. The Pentagon is considering ways to share its threat data with other industries including telecommunications and Internet service providers, led by the DoD's Cyber Crime Center, the clearinghouse for threat data from the NSA, military agencies, the DHS, and industry. The Pentagon's trial program with industry illuminates the promise and the pitfalls of such partnerships: a reluctance of intelligence and law enforcement agencies to release threat data they consider classified, and the companies' fear of losing control over personal or proprietary information. 'This isn't just about national security,' says Barbara Fast, vice president of Boeing Cyber Solutions. 'It's about the economic well-being of the United States.'"
Send it with my bailout check soon please.
"It's about the economic well-being of the United States."
It's about my stock options damn it!
I am the lawn!
'This isn't just about national security,' says Barbara Fast, vice president of Boeing Cyber Solutions. 'It's about the economic well-being of the United States.'
Of course. How is the CIA supposed to sell military tech to 3rd world despots and dictators, if the bastards keep stealing it for free ?
national security...It's about the economic well-being of the United States
As Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, Americas most highly decorated Marine by the time of his death pointed out in his short book War is a racket; all military/spy agency has ever been is about "economic well-being" for a select few, and was _never_ about National Security. Using his unmatched experience "protecting" the US around the world, he went on to explain why economic well being and real National Security are apposing goals.
The Air force shut down their Cyber command. The NSA (which is probably better equipped than any of the armed forces to technical issues) said "Hey, not us"
"Cyber" should be a dirty word.
Sorry, but how is this going to affect the always praised market?
If one company has good contacts with the military, then how on earth is a small start-up going to compete for new contracts?
In my humble opinion, the best way to achieve a safe industry is to nationalize it completely... permanently destroy all competition, and assign some big shot military guy as CEO of the company. Especially defense industry only has the government as customer, so why not make it a national (non-profit, and very safe) industry?
And then proceed to claim to the rest of the world that the Soviets had it all wrong :D
(sorry - of course it should be the other way around: you should privatize the government instead of nationalizing industry).
This isn't a military-industrial complex conspiracy issue, nor exploiting the rest of the world.
It highlights that 'national security' of any country is much more complicated than days gone by. The 'military' can no longer guarantee security by having lots of ships and planes etc. A hacker taking out the electrical grid certainly is a threat to national security, but not a threat that can be fended off by the military.
Why not? Because as most here would know, to do that would require military 'jurisdiction' over every network node and server and firewall defending something deemed 'important'.
Since despite general cynicism on the topic, the US still is one of the most free societies on the planet, they clearly would despise such an option. So instead working together as a team makes just way too much sense.
The concerning side is valid as well... giving the same dingbats that can't secure a basic firewall the responsibility for securing -actual- classified intelligence should worry us all as well.
Of course the answer is halfway, companies need to beef up their controls and the government then needs to share. We're all in this together. And yes, in this 'new' global economy, I mean everyone, but just those pesky Americans...
Stop doing what made you a target in the first place. This means, inconveniently, undoing:
Good luck.
you had me at #!
If I am defense contractor XYZ and I produced a military solution that cost the government $5 billion - what happens when one, or perhaps a small group of, individual(s) is able to steal this data?
What if it is nation sponsored espionage?
What if a nation steals what it can and funds the rest (effectively increasing their R&D by %X)?
You can essentially leapfrog technologically, if your efforts are fruitful. Now take it out of a military context and put it in to an economic context (if we can steal military R&D, you bet we are going to get industrial data too!)
The Pentagon is considering ways to share its threat data with other industries including telecommunications and Internet service providers, led by the DoD's Cyber Crime Center...
Certainly the military should be protecting their own infrastructure, but civilian infrastructure should be handled by DHS. There's no justification for mission creep when there are agencies with the charter and authority to address those issues.
We have the CIA, FBI, NSA and Homeland Security. Isn't that enough? Why isn't DoD working through one of them?
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
'This isn't just about national security,' says Barbara Fast, vice president of Boeing Cyber Solutions. 'It's about the economic well-being of the United States.'
How long until the RIAA finds someone in the chain of command to convince that it's in an economic imperative that music pirates need to be stopped, and get a direct DoD data feed of P2P IP data?
They can obviously detect threats; every time a supposedly-secure DoD computer gets hacked by a worm, they can just publish the results...
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
obtained by Echelon
obtained by Root Boot Trojans.
now DoD says openly what they did since more than a decade
... the DoD is working with critical industries to secure defense industry data. And then Boeing is mentioned.
It sounds to me like the DoD is stepping into 'help' them clean up security holes. 'Help' is a nice way of saying that they'll get be getting their asses kicked.
Have gnu, will travel.
... Because they got the nukes to stop music piracy !
--- I am known for the ones who want to find me on the net. Is that a privacy risk or a privilege? One might wonder..
If you thought the no-fly list was bad, wait until you end up on the no-programmer-jobs list...
How long before they decide that if your surname is Hyaka, that that sounds like hacker and ban you from working for anyone who supplies the government.
A long time ago I lost a job based on the fact that I hadn't completed my degree. My employer knew that I didn't have it, but they had a contract to develop software for the US DoD who noticed and threatened to pull all of their contracts if they didn't get rid of any non-degree'ed programmers.
And I wasn't even going to be working on their contracts!
The employer did it's best to accommodate me, but the short story is that the roadblock wasn't worth working around so I went in another direction and became a hardware developer for a different company.
There's no point in appealing to their common sense, because in this case the DoD doesn't seem to have any.
GrpA
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It is hilarious to me that we have this big DoD initiative to protect "defense" secrets, but in the name of profit we ship silicon wafer manufacturing technology and all kinds of advanced robotics anywhere labor rates are lower than America's.
Just how stupid do you have to be to believe that nobody can translate the guts - the design - of a pick-and-place robot that operates in four dimensions while putting circuit boards and PCs together into a missile guidance system? Or to assume that you cannot use a super-computer sold to predict weather for an Olympics to model thermonuclear design and detonation?
We make me laugh.
Orwell: "In a Time of Universal Deceit, telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act"
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That's a hell of a funny mod option - "Score -1, Informative". Fitting, actually, but someone better fix ASAP.
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