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Scouts No Longer Allowed To Have Knives On Camping Trips
Scouts in the UK are no longer allowed to bring penknives on camping trips because they have been deemed too dangerous. Traditionally scouts have learned knife safety skills, using them to cut firewood or make tools. Dave Budd, a knife-maker who runs courses training Scouts about the safe use of blades wrote, "Sadly, there is now confusion about when a Scout is allowed to carry a knife. The series of high-profile fatal stabbings [has] highlighted a growing knife culture in the UK. I think it is safest to assume that knives of any sort should not be carried by anybody to a Scout meeting or camp, unless there is likely to be a specific need for one. In that case, they should be kept by the Scout leaders and handed out as required." There is no doubt that soon scouts will get rid of their tents for large sound-proof lucite containers, which will be able to protect the children from the horrors of campfire embers, bug bites and foul language.
Sign me up for one if it can shield me from these I-don't-fucking-care-if-I-annoy-everybody-else-because-I'm-a-lowlife-scum-who-doesn't-respect-anyone 5,000,000 watts boomcars.
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Scouts not allowed to carry knives. What next? Pointed sticks? Bananas? Cherries (black and red)? If the UK now bans all knives, what will they do when the street thugs start beating people to death with their fists? Cut off hands? At some point one would think they need address the underlying problem, and not the inanimate objects used to express it.
Why, without your clothes, you're naked, Miss Dudley!
Break the "growing knife culture" by showing a generation how to use a pocket knife. What's next: kitchen knives banned from culinary schools? It makes me sad to think that MacGyver is the new Mary Whitehouse scapegoat.
note to UK Scouts: Teaching knot tying leads to bondage, teaching sharing leads to communism, and camping trips leads to underage buggery. What crusade will you champion next?
Wouldn't it make more scence to instead of banning knives teach first aid and self defence? That way when the thuggie teenager comes at the boy scout (Who doesn't have a knife because little Willy Whinealot is afraid of them) he will be able to defend himself?
Has anyone been able to confirm this from another source other than the Telegraph? I've already seen cases where they've strung together out-of-context quotes and tenuous threads of half-truths or barely related stories to create a sensationalist article designed to cause outrage. This may turn out to be the misguided direction of a small group that has been blown out of proportion, or maybe missing most of the relevant facts. I'd love to hear from someone who actually reads "Scouting" in the UK to hear the rest of the story. That said, I too would be saddened to hear that such an absurd policy had been instituted, if it is indeed true. A knife is a tool, a very inexpensive, small, lightweight and versatile tool, that when used properly can save lives. Sure, it could also be a weapon, or a danger to its user, but that's what training is about. The real world is dangerous, and people have to... um... "be prepared."
http://scouts.org.uk/news/223/scouting-refutes-knife-ban-claims
Scouts provide unique opportunities for hetrosexual children to empower self sufficiency
Um, yeah. There has never been a gay scout before, and by gummit, there will never be one. Oh, but if they're gay, they're immune to empowerment and self-sufficiency. Is that how it works?
Is that how it works?
first of all, i'd like to apologise for "grammar", and for derailing the discussion. this should really be about stabbing weapons and not about gays.
"how it works" is I was trying to make a deft parallel between this shortsighted knife policy by one Scouts organisation with a shortsighted sexual orientation policy by another Scouts organisation. partly tongue in cheek, and partly to show that these organisations have done some pretty backwards things before. Unfortunately, the discussion turned into mostly knee jerk reactions about how I am such a "hate monger". dont' shoot the messenger; i figured it was covered so extensively that it would be a short stretch for most to make the connection. i know that most of my gay friends would have, and chuckled.
Feel free to pick out all of my grammatical errors; they are legion, and it appears to calm some down.
Frankly, I'm fed up with it. Here in the U.S., firearms enjoy respect because they are considered to be weapons and protected by the Second Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Any attempt to control or reduce the incidence of carrying firearms is met with stiff resistance, and politicians trip all over themselves trying to avoid any suggestion that they might infringe upon this right.
But knives? After boxcutter knives were apparently used in the September 11th hijackings, virtually anything having an edge was banned from the possession of airline travelers, even though no one would ever be to hijack a plane with anything short of a gun or a bomb on September 12, 2001. (Richard Reid proved that.) State legislatures introduced legislation to ban boxcutter knives. A person can't get into a courthouse or even board the ferry to the Statue of Liberty with a common pocket knife with a street-legal 2-1/4" blade. ("No tools or dual-use items", the Statue of Liberty brochure says, somewhat indirectly referring to knives.)
Our right to carry one of the most basic weapons, which Man has been carrying in one form or another for over 10,000 years, is being whittled away because the knife is considered a lowly tool.
So, dammit, I've had enough. This Swiss Army knife here in my pocket is not a tool, it's a weapon, and I insist on my right to carry it under the Second Amendment. The fact that I can also open a bottle of wine or tighten a loose screw is purely incidental.
"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past." -- George Orwell
What happens when a boy scout doesn't carry a knife?
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/mar/31/bobcat-attacks-boy-scout-man-citrus-county/news-breaking/
What happens when a boy scout carries a knife?
http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/2008/09/boy-scout-stabs-kills-pit-bulls.html
What happens when boy scouts spot danger with a knife?
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/01/08/maldives-attack.html?ref=rss
Yeah, we can't have any of that stuff going on.
Criminals are the problem, not guns and knives.
Take the guns and knives away from boy scouts & you have no self defense.
Criminals will still carry unregistered stolen guns... & knives... you can't stop them.
But you can defend yourself, if you are allowed to carry your own gun or knife.
Goodbye, I won't be back.
Life's too short to register with your website just so I can constantly bicker with a bunch of brainless idiots.
Have a nice life.
Get some common sense.