Slashdot Mirror


FCC's New Broadband Plan Prioritizes Competition

adeelarshad82 writes "The Federal Communications Commission has released an outline of what might be included in its upcoming national broadband plan, and encouraging competition was a top priority. The FCC statement said 'Competition drives innovation and provides consumer choice. Finding ways to better use existing assets, including Universal Service, rights-of-way, spectrum, and others, will be essential to the success of the plan. The limited government funding that is available for broadband would be best used when leveraged with the private sector.' The stimulus plan provided $7.2 billion in broadband grants and $350 million for a broadband mapping program, but also directed the FCC to deliver a national broadband plan to Congress by February 17, 2010."

71 comments

  1. Re:no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Cause she might show you her tits?

  2. Right. by bmo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Didn't we do this in the 90's, throw a lot of money at the providers and all they did was give it out to the shareholders?

    If we do this there had better be significant strings attached.

    --
    BMO

    1. Re:Right. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ideally to the necks of those responsible...

    2. Re:Right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't we do this in the 90's, throw a lot of money at the providers and all they did was give it out to the shareholders?

      If we do this there had better be significant strings attached.

      --
      BMO

      Oh come on man! We need another financial bubble to get the economy going. What better way than to repeat the 90s. AND, it'll give those of us a chance to miss out on all the quick buck making a second time around because we don't have any connecitons.

      Why do I have this urge to go and walk the streets muttering "bullshit! it's all bullshit!" to myself?

    3. Re:Right. by AdmiralXyz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Didn't we do this in the 90's, throw a lot of money at the providers and all they did was give it out to the shareholders?

      If we do this there had better be significant strings attached.

      Whoa, whoa, that sounds like socialism. We'll have none of that.

      --
      Dislike the Electoral College? Lobby your state to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.
    4. Re:Right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If we do this there had better be significant strings attached.

      To enforce this, we should only give the money out AFTER the conditions are met. They've been proven untrustworthy, so don't give them anything until they give us something first. Also, that way, anyone can do it, not a single company that gets the contract. Whoever satisfies the requirements first gets paid.

    5. Re:Right. by RobinEggs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Didn't we do this in the 90's? ... If we do this there had better be significant strings attached.

      Right...give them more money but this time put *strings* on it.

      How about the kind of strings where we send every board member and executive, of any of these companies at any time since we gave them the money *last time*, a notice that they can install what we've already paid for or face federal fraud charges?

      Seriously, I'm not usually a litigious, pseudo-populist dickwad, but a lawsuit or some criminal charges seem completely reasonable here.

      And for fuck sake don't give them *more* money, unless you're okay with literally *training them*, like suggestible little puppy dogs, to defraud taxpayers.

    6. Re:Right. by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not socialism when giving money to a corporation. At least that's what I gather.

    7. Re:Right. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Indeed. That's usually seen as a step towards corporatism, which is the economic wing of fascism, which is usually considered as far right, the opposite of socialism, which is on the left. Or in the middle, if the term "socialism" is being used in the context of American politics.

    8. Re:Right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the money involved is public.

      Hence, corporate welfare state. This has recently been called "socialism" by critics of TARP, etc. And I don't mean by the tea-partyers who call everything "socialism" before taking the time to understand it. I mean people on the US center-left have called it that.

    9. Re:Right. by meerling · · Score: 1

      I have to agree, our current crop of company shills have no idea how to actually use the money we (through the government) make available to them unless we give them very specific instructions. Without those instructions, barring any loopholes, they just feather their nests.

      An image of a rabid vulture sitting in a giant pile of down just ran through my mind... Disturbing, yet appropriate...

    10. Re:Right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't we do this in the 90's, throw a lot of money at the providers and all they did was give it out to the shareholders?

      If we do this there had better be significant strings attached.

      Whoa, whoa, that sounds like socialism. We'll have none of that.

      Are you local?

    11. Re:Right. by bendodge · · Score: 2

      I've got my own little theory about economic ideas being a circle. If you go far enough in any direction you'll get something totalitarian that doesn't work.

      --
      The government can't save you.
    12. Re:Right. by Glendale2x · · Score: 1

      How about we just don't give them money this time?

      --
      this is my sig
    13. Re:Right. by testadicazzo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm annoyed by the mantra:

      Competition drives innovation and provides consumer choice. Finding ways to better use existing assets, including Universal Service, rights-of-way, spectrum, and others, will be essential to the success of the plan. The limited government funding that is available for broadband would be best used when leveraged with the private sector.'

      Blech. Sometimes free markets and competition are the best way to accomplish a social goal. Sometimes they aren't. In particular, rural and poor neighbourhoods, which would profit most from broadband and are most poorly served under the current system, and I don't see shovelling money at providers doing much for that goal. I'd rather see that money used to address the most poorly served areas of the country, and provide some public competition to private provider plans.

    14. Re:Right. by testadicazzo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      This is a badly moderated post. It's not informative, since everyone knows this by now. I'd moderate it funny and insightful, but not informative.

    15. Re:Right. by lucian1900 · · Score: 1

      I didn't. May have something to do with the fact that I'm not American.

  3. How will Leiberman muck this one up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously. I'm just waiting on it.

  4. Policies can only help competition so far by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When you have an industry with high entry costs due to infrastructure needs, you are going to end up with only a few companies after the shakeout occurs. Therefore, any policy that is designed to enable consumer choice and universal access is only useful to create an environment where competition will briefly flourish before degrading to the same old 2 or 3 dominant companies own the entire market.

    If the government truly wants to encourage competition, they would provide funding to under-performing companies and startups. This would lower the entry costs and provide a balance to the giants who would normally run roughshod over the smaller guys.

    1. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the government truly wants to encourage competition, they would provide funding to under-performing companies and startups.

      Wow. Give money to the companies that perform worst. You know, I'm sure that there's a flaw in that idea somewhere.

      --
      http://www.geoffreylandis.com
    2. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have mod points and was going to mod your post, but I couldn't find the ones that said "idiot" or "silly".

    3. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the government truly wants to encourage competition, they would provide funding to under-performing companies and startups.

      Wow. Give money to the companies that perform worst. You know, I'm sure that there's a flaw in that idea somewhere.

      There is. But that didn't stop the government from handing out free money to the banks did it?

    4. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "you are going to end up with only a few companies after the shakeout occurs. "

      Largely because the US has become conditioned to the idea that big companies are good. Globalization is a "good thing" and we want corporations large enough to compete on a global scale. "World class" is a benchmark we use to judge companies.

      My telco serves 4 counties, I think - maybe a 5th. No one has ever heard of it. But, they are successful, in that they attract investors, and they show a profit every year. Rates are mostly competitive with the big companies. Like the big companies, they have a monopoly in their service area. I've come to like them, because I can talk to real people. And, if I ever feel the need to talk eyeball to eyeball with a service rep, it's a short drive over to Lewisville from my house.

      You're right, of course, but it sucks, IMHO

      --
      "Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
    5. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or just do what a government is supposed to do - build things like infrastructure, which are too big and expensive to be undertaken efficiently by multiple competing private interests.

    6. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by Xacid · · Score: 1

      Yet people on here complain about the big companies having too much control over the market - but then complain when other companies are going to be given a chance?

    7. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      Wow. Give money to the companies that perform worst. You know, I'm sure that there's a flaw in that idea somewhere.

      Well why shouldn't he think it's a great idea - after all, it's what the government did with the auto industry.

      --
      "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." ~Thomas Jefferson
    8. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by meowhous · · Score: 0

      I worked for one of those, but at least we were only bilking I mean milking private investors.

    9. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      More like, you can afford to have the car industry collapse, but the country will be ruined if the financial system collapses

    10. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's not exactly what happened. The government paid these companies debts on their behalf. Not because they felt like being nice to the company, but because their debt holders would have ended up in serious financial trouble. Cascading financial failure was a serious possibility. This is bad. The credit market is the biggest market in the world.

      Meanwhile, a year later, the companies are paying the debt back. While not all the debt has been paid back, does it really make sense to keep complaining about a move that saved the rest of the financial system?

    11. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by DJRumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      IMO, If they want to truly encourage competition, they need to separate content providers from access providers. That will free up access providers to do what they should be doing best. Competing for business at the lowest rate possible. It would also remove some of the political bullshit and insane antics that new entry's in the market have to go through just to be able to drop a single line.

    12. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by LBt1st · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How long till your telco is bought out by one of the big ones and becomes the local monopoly with horrible rates and service?

    13. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      but the country will be ruined if the financial system collapses

      It already has collapsed. We just haven't realized it yet. Take a look at the deficits we are running and the amount of money the Fed is creating. Citi and Bank of America won't really matter much when the greenback winds up being shoved into wood stoves to heat our homes.

      --
      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    14. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow. Give money to the companies that perform worst.

      Replace 'companies' with 'schools' and you've just described our public education system.

      --
      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    15. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Or just do what a government is supposed to do - build things like infrastructure, which are too big and expensive to be undertaken efficiently by multiple competing private interests.

      Because if there's anything government is known for it's efficiency.

      --
      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    16. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      If they're anything like my cable co, never.

      My cable co has been here longer than I've been alive, they serve 3 counties, provide the highest level of service i've ever had, anywhere i've ever lived. their rates are among the most reasonable i've ever encountered, and i've come to know several people, on all levels of the company, on a personal level.

      Over 30 years, they're not going anywhere. They turn a decent profit every quarter, are constantly expanding their service offerings, increasing broadband speeds, adding more digital and (non-overcompressed) HD, and still offer a decent analog selection.

      I don't think my county would let them sell, even if they sold their networks in the other two counties they service in Ohio; they just have too good of an offering and do a decent amount of good in the community.

      --
      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
    17. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by BronsCon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they stuck to what they're supposed to be doing, and quit doing all this extra shit that's really not in anyone's interest, they'd be pretty fucking efficient.

      --
      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
    18. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Have you ever had a major problem with your water supply? How fast was it fixed? I'm willing to bet the government provides this utility. As it should be with roads, power, and net access and all critical infrastructure. Let the government lay the tubes and have it managed by a nonprofit organisation. This should include the last mile. This organisation should put excess income into a pot for future maintainance and upgrades. Have ISP's lease the bandwith and sell it to end users. Users can freely switch provides based on price and service level withouth worrying if wether the ISP operates in the area.

    19. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way everyone wins is if the government controls the infrastructure and the individual companies just lease it as resellers - that way services to remote areas can be secured and one one or two massive corporations can have an effective monopoly in any area because someone smaller, faster and more efficient can always come along and eat their pie.

    20. Re:Policies can only help competition so far by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fair question, I suppose. I really can't answer that. I can tell you, Walnut Hill was here when my father in law's parents had their first telephone installed. Things were kinda wild back in those days - three miles from the Oklahoma border, the various tribes would have a few people go off the reservations, Arkinda was a booming border town with killings every other weekend, an occasional bank robbery, so on and so forth. The big companies provided telephone service to Texarkana, but couldn't see the point in buying all the wire necessary to put in lines to Foreman, Wallace, Arkinda, Winthrop, and other backwoods little holes in the wall, scattered along the rail lines.

      So, some relatively wealthy people got together, sold some bonds, and came up with the money necessary to start stringing wire, and buy a few switchboards.

      They haven't sold out YET!! And, from what I understand, AT&T and Ma Bell tried really, really hard to get this market several times.

      That situation reminds me of something - what could that be? Oh yeah - that infamous last freaking mile that the big telcos are so incapable of providing to rural America. Same deal. They won't invest in the country, they just want the tax breaks, the monopolies, and your money. I can't see people around here approving of a big telco buying away what they are used to.

      --
      "Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
  5. Re:no by dagamer34 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow, tax & spend? What is this 1992-2000 when the government was fiscally responsible?!?! In the new millenium, the government is all SPEND SPEND SPEND. You best check yo'self!

  6. According to Public Knowledge, this isn't enough.. by langelgjm · · Score: 4, Informative

    Their president has said, "Nothing in the outline presented this morning would increase competition. Reforming universal service and supporting municipal networks are worthwhile goals, but they would do nothing to reverse the slide caused by eight years of misbegotten telecommunications policies that have crippled most meaningful broadband competition for consumers. There was no discussion of opening telecommunications networks to competitors. There was no discussion of structural separations of carriers into wholesale and retail components. These are the factors that Harvard’s Berkman Center told the FCC in a study a mere two months ago were the reasons other countries have surpassed ours – they are using policies we discarded."

    --
    "Anyone who [rips a CD] is probably engaging in copyright infringement." - David O. Carson
  7. Does this by jaryd · · Score: 1

    remind anyone of a bailout?

  8. Competitors...?! by scorpivs · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see private individuals -- the everyday people who share their wi-fi with their neighborhood -- included among those qualifying for these government-funded 'subsidies.'

    Oops.

    Fixed that for ya.

    --
    There is nothing to FEAR but NOTHING itself; and I fear there is a whole lot of nothing going on. --scorpivs
  9. CLECs need lines by TopSpin · · Score: 1

    It's very simple: open the lines back up to CLECs. They've been hurt by being shut out for the last decade, but they're still around. They'd be happy to pick up where they left off and resume reselling lines successfully.

    Dumping money on politically important municipalities for "wireless", or something, isn't competition. Competing carriers is competition.

    --
    Lurking at the bottom of the gravity well, getting old
    1. Re:CLECs need lines by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      Not sure how it worked elsewhere, but in Illinois it was very simple. The state mandated the prices that could be charged for lines. Didn't matter that the cost of maintaining the equipment and lines was several times the rate mandated by the state.

      Ameritech, before being bought by SBC had a very simple policy. Since they could not afford to have the lines used at that rate, there were no possibilities of installing third-party equipment. None. Therefore the lines were never utilized at below-oost rates.

      I believe this was the situation in most states. The CLECs could either get a below-cost rate or nothing, so mostly they got nothing. The various regulations that enabled this nonsense were finally repealed and everyone got on with business.

      I am sure we can return to an environment where the ILEC has to provide services to other companies below cost. What is needed is sufficient regulation to ensure that there is no cost-shifting, that there is a minimum number of customers that must be served through this and there are no fees that can be charged to offset the loss. This will force the ILECs out of business pretty quickly. And under those terms, nobody is going to want to pick it up.

  10. Gigaom has a better article by jonsmirl · · Score: 4, Informative

    FCC Takes on Cable But Not Carriers With National Broadband Plan

    The actual presentation from the meeting is included in the article.

    I am anxiously awaiting for this to be approved: "Mandate a home gateway device. Require MVPDs to provide a small, low-cost device whose functionality is to bridge the proprietary MVPD network elements (conditional access, tuning & reception functions) to common, open standard, widely used in home communications interfaces; enables a retail navigation device to operate on all MVPD platforms."

    I'm hoping that means unencrypted channel streams in-house over Ethernet.

    1. Re:Gigaom has a better article by Alien+Being · · Score: 2

      What this means is that Comcast has bought the FCC along with NBC/Universal and, in Hollywood style, they're going to put on a show for us while they steal our money.

      Screw Comcast and screw the US gov.

  11. Re:According to Public Knowledge, this isn't enoug by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 0

    And of course it was only the evil Republicans that kept broadband out of the hands of their largest supporters in the rural parts of America where even the cable companies fear to tread for lack of money making ventures. If the govt. wants broadband everywhere, then they need to pony up the money and build the damn lines themselves. The phone companies have consistently shown that they will not do it, no matter how much money we send their way. Now that's a stimulus package I could support, one where real American will be put to real work to help spread broadband everywhere. Stop giving my tax money to people that only want a profit. I pay them enough money every month for broadband and cell phones. I don't need to give them money out of my tax money too.

  12. Re:no by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    Oh don't you worry. The TAX TAX TAX part is coming. Just you wait!

    --
    Life is not for the lazy.
  13. Re:According to Public Knowledge, this isn't enoug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why -1

  14. Re:no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad the CUT CUT CUT part will never come.

    Also the real issue is the people who own the lines are the same ones who 'use' the lines. It needs to be 2 different companies. The company who owns the wires and rent them out to anyone. Then the ISPs compete on price and service. Then the company who owns the wires is insensitived to build better wires to sell higher service. The companies who sell the actual connections to the consumers are insensitived to sell at a competitive price. This will never happen like my first statement.

  15. Hopeless by g0dsp33d · · Score: 1

    I really want this to work out. Unfortunately with the US government, this is an investment opportunity for tube manufacturing and installation.

    --
    lol: You see no door there!
  16. Re:According to Public Knowledge, this isn't enoug by hedwards · · Score: 1

    Well, who was it that demanded less regulation and fewer measures of oversight to the telecoms? I don't seem to recall deregulation of the telecoms as a huge Democratic cause in the last decade. The largest cause of that sort of problem has been the conglomeration of telecoms into ones which only cover areas of the country which are profit rich and to do so in the most minimal fashion possible.

    What you're forgetting is that these same rural voters go crazy for corporatism and for the misguided deregulation that leads them to not have decent access to quality broadband at reasonable prices.

  17. Re:According to Public Knowledge, this isn't enoug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The president of wha....oh, the publication you're quoting. Hmmm. Er, ummmm.... yeah, nope. Not impressed.

  18. Re:According to Public Knowledge, this isn't enoug by Shakrai · · Score: 1

    I don't seem to recall deregulation of the telecoms as a huge Democratic cause in the last decade.

    That's funny because it was a Democratic President that signed the Telecommunications Act of 1996 into law as I recall.......

    --
    I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
    We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
  19. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  20. Re:According to Public Knowledge, this isn't enoug by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 0

    Oh no, that wouldn't be possible. The dems are spending us into oblivion, but they have all the answers for saving America.

  21. "incited" by XanC · · Score: 1

    There's no "insensitived". It's "incited".

    1. Re:"incited" by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      "has incentive"

    2. Re:"incited" by treeves · · Score: 1

      I prefer your construction but the OP meant "incentivized", a silly word much like "enthused".

      --
      ...the future crusty old bastards are already drinking the Kool-Aid.
  22. Where do you get your data for M3? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Last I looked they stopped publishing it.

    For that matter the data I see shows you to be mistaken. M1 up about 21% sense 96, M2 up about 24%.

    Cite: http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/money-supply

    Their guess for M3: up about 40%.

    The real danger is having those same morons in charge when the printing presses get kicked into high gear.

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  23. Re:no by csartanis · · Score: 1

    As long as there is no barrier to anyone else laying lines, they could lay better lines and charge the ISPs less to use them.

  24. National Broadband Plan by dwiget001 · · Score: 1

    What we need is a National Broadband Plan.

    We are going to put the U.S. Government in the ISP business to foster competition by those greedy and money grubbing private ISPs.

    The way it works is, the U.S. Government cuts all broadband traffic down to 80 Kbps and then expand the U.S Government broadband bandwidth to 160 Kbps or more.

    ISPs can only offer 160 Kbps or more bandwidth, if their broadband plans meet certain government criteria. However, unlike the current health care reform bill(s) floating around, the ISPs are authorized to A) disconnect anyone even suspected of illegal file sharing or any other reason, as they see fit, B) cut of any and all access to such hate sites as "www.usconstitution.net" and any other sites the current Administration deems "objectionable" and finally, C) dramatically raise prices to help cover the onerous regulation and reporting requirements that result form the National Broadband Plan. The procedures for determining who gets put onto the "No Net List" are classified and by statute are not subject to FOIA laws.

    Oh, and your excise and any other taxes related to accessing the Internat are all being increased 100 percent, across the boards, to help pay for the program. Yeah, we know, sucks to be you, huh?

    Remember, this is helping our children, you money grubbing capitalist pigs!

  25. Oh, Wonderful Private Sector... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

    ... is there anything you can't do?

    --
    That is all.
  26. Re:According to Public Knowledge, this isn't enoug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't seem to recall deregulation of the telecoms as a huge Democratic cause in the last decade.

    That's funny because it was a Democratic President that signed the Telecommunications Act of 1996 into law as I recall.......

    Clinton signing it doesn't mean that it was an important issue for him, most likely you can say he either didn't disagree with it or his signature was part of some larger political compromise. He certainly didn't make deregulating the telecommunications industry a major part of his campaigning or other political rhetoric.