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What's Happened In Mobile Over the Past 10 Years

andylim writes "recombu.com has an article examining what's happened in mobile over the past ten years, including BlackBerry launching its first smart phone in 2002, Motorola launching the Razr in 2004 and Apple launching the iPhone in 2007. As a commenter points out, the first camera phone (Sharp J-SH04), which was released in 2000, featured a 110,000-pixel (0.11MP) CMOS image sensor, and a 256-colour (8 bit) display."

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  1. In other news... by djupedal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What's happened is that countries without legacy copper and overbearing telcos have leapfrogged the US in terms of, well....pretty much everything mobile.

    1. Re:In other news... by 2stein · · Score: 1, Interesting

      What's happened is that countries without legacy copper and overbearing telcos have leapfrogged the US in terms of, well....pretty much everything mobile.

      Indeed they may have. And it made a decent communication infrastructure available to them at a fraction of the cost. So it's also a decade of giving millions of people access to a phone. TFA does not mention this, but this might actually be more disruptive than packing a bazillion-pixel-camera into a feature-packed phone-crossbreed.

    2. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      What's happened is that countries without legacy copper and overbearing telcos have leapfrogged the US in terms of, well....pretty much everything mobile.

      It is fucking ridiculous that the internet and most telecommunications technologies were invented here in the USA, yet we have some of the world's worst connectivity measured in bang-for-buck. In my opinion, our mobile phone companies are colluding and need to be smacked down HARD by the government, why else is there not one of them who doesn't gouge for text messages? What is it, something like a thousand text messages equal the bandwidth consumed by one minute of voice? Fucking nuts. Where's my fiber to the door? Why do I have such a low connection speed compared to Japan and most places in Europe with similar population densities? Yet we tolerate this.

    3. Re:In other news... by Lord+Byron+II · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oddly enough, the "bazillion-pixel camera" still takes crappy, "cell phone"-quality pictures.

    4. Re:In other news... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, the nice thing about mobile technologies is that they've got a relatively low infrastructure cost compared to wired technologies. The spiderweb of cable needed is significantly less dense, and it can piggy-back on existing data telcom lines.

      Cellular tech also benefited in much of the world because they didn't have the initial 'heavy' cellular infrastructure to contend with - the legacy analog cellular crap. They also had fiber optics at their disposal, making the line cost significantly lower if anything did need to be laid.

      And most countries, particularly much of the European ones, have the advantage of having higher population density and smaller area. Even in countries like Albania (which I doubt has much for any connectivity) getting the whole country covered with modern data cellular would be much easier.

      Even still, it's possible to get a cellular connection of one sort or another pretty much anywhere in the US. I'm in one of the least sparsely covered parts of the US (from all carriers), which also happens to be one of the least populated. I can be tens of miles from the nearest person (forgive the hyperbole, but 1+ miles) or 30+ miles from the nearest town over 500 people and still get an SMS (or maybe a phone call) out. That's impressive.

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    5. Re:In other news... by segin · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, what can you expect with a camera with a single fixed aperture and speed? Almost every cell phone camera out there is f/2.8, although if you are (un)lucky, you might get one with f/5.6. Whatever the aperture is, however, is what you are stuck with, for the most part (unless you are a super-wiz hardware hacker and can replace most of the camera...).

      The second factor in determining image quality is shutter speed, but since in this day and age, there is no physical shutter, "shutter speed" refers to how long the image sensor senses for image data; 1/400 shutter speed on a cell phone means that, actually, the sensor is only "looking" at the world for 1/400 of a second. While this is quite similar to a real camera, the fact that the sensor is "always exposed" means that it is always at odds with the world, in terms of lighting (being left camera-side up on a sunny day is not good for the phone's camera at all)

      So yes, megapixels don't mean shit. A decent camera with an adjustable aperture and shutter speed (possibly even a real shutter) makes for a better picture.

    6. Re:In other news... by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's happened is that countries without legacy copper and overbearing telcos have leapfrogged the US in terms of, well....pretty much everything mobile.

      But it's difficult to keep up with the mobile market, it's such a moving target !

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    7. Re:In other news... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Informative

      Megapixels won't make up for crappy optics. And by "crappy" I mean the best the manufacturers can manage in such a tiny space. Under good conditions, modern phones actually make decent pictures.

      There's a bit more choice these days as well, with a few companies (at least SonyEricsson...) offering phones with better optics, making the device thicker but resulting in picture quality that comes pretty close to that of compact happysnap cameras... good for people who like to always have a decent camera on them.

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    8. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tip: those telecommunication technologies were developed by the monopoly formerly known as AT&T which puts the current mobile phone oligopoly to shame.

    9. Re:In other news... by Fred_A · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, what can you expect with a camera with a single fixed aperture and speed? Almost every cell phone camera out there is f/2.8, although if you are (un)lucky, you might get one with f/5.6.

      But whatever their so called aperture, the physical aperture is still a pinhole lens that is a couple millimetre across. My proper f./2.8 lens have a diameter of 77mm (and can close to f./22). Which actually lets some light in.

      There's probably a physical limit under which you cannot go and still have a reasonably decent lens (not super studio high-end flawless quality, just decent). At a guess from the various compacts I've seen, I'd say it's around 1.5cm. Maybe a wee bit less.

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    10. Re:In other news... by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 4, Informative

      And most countries, particularly much of the European ones, have the advantage of having higher population density and smaller area. Even in countries like Albania (which I doubt has much for any connectivity) getting the whole country covered with modern data cellular would be much easier.

      Worth mentioning is that the countries in Europe furthest ahead in cellular technology, the Scandinavian countries, have very low population density even when compared to the US. And still they have coverage in pretty much all of the country. (Including many remote mountainous regions)

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    11. Re:In other news... by obarthelemy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not quite true: I leave in France, where, when Al Gore invented the Internets, we where in a rather worse situation, telecoms-wise: single, nationally-owned carrier, high prices, quite good service, though.

      What they did, as in much of the EU I think, is force deregulation by
      - selling 3 nationwide GSM licenses, so there was competition right from the start
      - forcing standardization and interoperability by enforcing the GSM standard for all carriers, which helped with coverage and provider switching
      - Carriers also had to commit to cover an increasing percentage of the population, which is admittedly easier to do than in the US (France is a bit smaller than Texas, but has more than twice the population).
      - later, forcing number portability (you can switch provider and keep the same number)
      - above all, agreeing that the caller pays for calls, with mobile numbers set apart by a different prefix (06 = mobile, 01 = Paris, 04 = south east...). You used to be able to figure out which carrier someone was using by looking at the second couple of digits, but with number portability that is no longer 100% true.

      The one remaining issue, apart from Texts pricing, is pricing legibility: telcos are free to set up there tariffs as they wish, so it's very hard to come up with an apples-to-apples comparison.

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    12. Re:In other news... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Informative
      And also worth mentioning that their population is highly concentrated in a few areas. Like Alaska - very low density (very few people for a massive place), but 95% of the population is concentrated in Fairbanks, Anchorage, and Juneau. Much easier to roll out a technology.

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      For example, Finland. Just over 5 million people in that very large country, but 25% of them live in Helsinki urban area. Or Sweden, with 9.2 million people in that massive land area, but 30% of them in Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmo urban areas.

      Looking at just strict density over the entire country isn't very applicable; you need to look at the percentage of population that lives in the large cities. You'll find that in Europe the effective density is much higher than in the US; a large percentage of the total population of most European countries live in a relatively small area and in the cases of the Scandinavian nations large areas of their country are essentially uninhabited.

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    13. Re:In other news... by gullevek · · Score: 1

      Well, depends. Actually my phones takes surprisingly good photos. And the next generation has even an almost proper flash built in. Of course they all have auto focus, macro, etc settings.

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    14. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lens cap wouldn't seem too expensive either.

    15. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Density of US Cities

      Helsinki Stats

      I picked on Helsinki and the data is a bit old, but any similar city with more current stats should do to get the point across. Helsinki has +7k/ sq mi of density. There are 125 cities in the US with a fraction of the land and +10k/sq mi of density! Just hitting a few cities and their suburbs (Philly, New York, NJ state, Boston, Chicago, LA, San Fran, and Miami) will cover the majority on that list.

      BUT, I am sure that the phone service in Helsinki is far better and costs less than it does in ANY of those cities. These cities shouldn't even be on celluar! They should have 2-3 WiMax towers and the cells should provide unlimited minutes to 60 countries via those for like $30 a month (Vonage)!

      The real reason we are basically dead last in the telecom arena is because our telcos are bloated, bureaucratic, lazy, and too risk averse to even spell innovation. The only innovating our telcos do is in ads, and lobbying.

    16. Re:In other news... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      The one thing that is very, very different between Europe and the US is the total area covered by each company. Densities, as have been pointed out, are quite low in parts of Scandinavia that nonetheless have service (cue all the posts about remote mountains in Norway having 4 bars), and major-city coverage is apparently much better in Europe than in the US. But there is no Europe-wide operator that will sell you an unlimited voice, data, and text plan that works from Moscow to Lisbon with no roaming charges, while T-Mobile will sell you that plan for $80/mo, Sprint will do it for $100/mo, and AT&T and Verizon will do it for $150/mo.

      It's worth noting that smaller operators like US Cellular, Cricket, MetroPCS, Cellular South, Cincinnati Bell, and the like provide lower prices and fewer restrictions than the majors, but also have smaller coverage areas.

    17. Re:In other news... by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      f./22

      That's "f/.22" thank you very much ;)

    18. Re:In other news... by PyroMosh · · Score: 1

      To be fair, the reasons we are lagging behind now *did* give us connectivity half a century before most of the rest of the world.

      We didn't spend bajillions of dollars through the 1900s to set up a nation wide telco infrastructure just so we could avoid setting up a 12G cell network in the early 2000s.

      Relax.

      The U.S. is slightly behind the rest of the world, because we were so far ahead for so long that now that they are investing in infrastructure, they're getting new *all* and shiny, because they had nothing prior. We need to be content with piecemeal upgrades because we've got a LOT to replace and it's not feasible to do so quickly and economically.

      This doesn't address the pricing concerns you cite, of course.

    19. Re:In other news... by jonwil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Here in Australia, I have relatives on a sheep station half a days drive away from the nearest town and they can get a stable HSPA data connection through Telstra NextG (with an external antenna) and if they stand in the right place, they can even get a call out with a NextG handset.

      If Telstra can get service to somewhere with so little population density, there is NO excuse for the poor state of cellular service in the US.

    20. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "and in the cases of the Scandinavian nations large areas of their country are essentially uninhabited." ...yet you will get a signal "out there"...

    21. Re:In other news... by Rob+Simpson · · Score: 1

      You did read what the poster before you wrote about "still they have coverage in pretty much all of the country" and "including many remote mountainous regions", right? Not just the most concentrated areas.

    22. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but there is still extraordinary coverage in the middle of nowhere. Around 5 years ago, I went visiting some family in the middle of nowhere in Sweden (around 100 km from the nearest city with more than a few thousand citizens), and I had 3G coverage all the time driving there.

    23. Re:In other news... by lamapper · · Score: 2, Informative

      Read liked your posts and that was a bad car analogy, but all this is off topic...more on topic per your quote:

      We didn't spend bajillions of dollars through the 1900s to set up a nation wide telco infrastructure just so we could avoid setting up a 12G cell network in the early 2000s.

      That's not entirely accurate...

      We, you, your parents, their parents, all of us have give American telcos more than $200 Billion in tax money (out right cash + additional taxes and additional fees; all of which was approved by our elected leaders) since 1990; for their promise to Americans to provide Fiber To The Home FTTH; over the last mile, not just to our neighborhood, but to our house/apartment.

      Not only is it economical and feasible, but instead of honoring their promises, they lobby our elected officials at the rate of $1.8 Million per week to not give us fiber, to not give us net neutrality, to not give us high speed broadband.

      I pay over $50 per month for 16,000 Kbps down and 2,000 Kbps up stream bandwidth. They do not even give me that. I see it and sometimes during the Speed Test, but as soon as the Speed Test finishes, my cable (100% of Cable users experience this) broadband is throttled back to lower than the FCC definition of broadband. The FCC definition is 768Kbps, however I do not see above 400Kbps down or above 120 Kbps up stream bandwidth.

      The US is not slightly behind the rest of the world, we are way behind the rest of the industrialized world. Thanks to putting in Fiber infrastructure (and density is relative as it costs more then anyone admits to dig up infrastructure in a large city where in rural areas they can lay miles of fiber in short periods of time) In 2007, we were 13th in the world.

      In 2000, Japan had 100Mbps / 100Mbps bi-directional synchronous fiber broadband service for less than $55 per month. In 2006, thanks to Fiber, all the Japanese had to do was switch out the customer's modem and they could give them 1 Gbps / 1 Gbps bandwidth for less than $53 per month. Yes competition drove the price down. Their market is working, the US market has not worked for well over two decades.

      I read about a Fiber / laser router that could multiplex a single strand of fiber from 1X to 1024X back in 2004. That is a 1024 bandwidth increase over a single strand of fiber...still think bandwidth scarcity is anything but a myth.

      Why? simple, follow the money. The telcos want you to believe bandwidth is scarce. The bandwidth scarcity myth is well a myth. (Proof is in their statements to stock analysts, especially in the light of current economic realities) A lie to keep their failed tiered pricing strategy. Their goal to drive all customers up to $150 per month. However it is back firing on them and for the very reasons that I mentioned above. Once you realize you are throttled and they are not delivering you a fraction of the bandwidth you are paying for; you will quickly discover that a DSL line providing you 1,500Kbps down and 384Kbps up stream is well over 3X faster than Cable Modem Internet access. And DSL service costs you between $20 - $30 per month. In fact for the price of one Cable Internet access you could have 2 DSL providers (redundancy and increased bandwidth). And remember 1 DSL line is 3X faster than a single throttled coaxial cable access. Ignore what they say you will get as they will never give you or me 12Mbps down or 2Mbps up. Just will never happen.

      I do not mean to get on your case, I like your posts, but whenever I see another American acting as a Shill for the industry while getting screwed in the process, well some learning is in order.

      Consider this: In 2006, a Telco executive said in the future the average household will consume at least 300GB of bandwidth per month. I would suggest to you that by 2010, you will need much more than 300 GB per household, just auto updating for most people will ap

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    24. Re:In other news... by skrolle2 · · Score: 1

      It's been ten years, and people on Slashdot still trot out this stupid apologetic drivel. It goes like this, every time:

      "The US is not #1 in mobile/broadband"
      "But the US is so large, it's harder to build infrastructure here!"
      "But do it better, and they have even lower population density."
      "Yeah, but all those countries have a highly concentrated population!"
      "No, are less urbane than the US and still do it better."
      "But..."
      "No, I'm sorry, the US is not #1 when it comes to this technology because your telcos aren't actually competing."
      "But it's the free market, it must be better!"

      Every single fucking time. It's so tiresome. It is understandable though, the big national lie in the US is that it is #1 in everything. It is the world leader in many things, but as soon as you point out one thing it is not, you get the apologetic hordes storming in to the rescue.

    25. Re:In other news... by skrolle2 · · Score: 1

      But <list of countries> do it better

      No, <list of countries> are less urbane

      ...stupid me not previewing it properly...

    26. Re:In other news... by skrolle2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The cross-country roaming charges are going to disappear though. There is absolutely no technical reason for them to be there, it suddenly doesn't cost 10 times more to transfer data just because you hit a country border, and it doesn't cost anything to switch providers either, they only need to keep track of actual usage. The roaming charges are there because it's a huge cash-cow for the telcos, and there will soon be EU-wide legislation to remove them, or reduce them to their actual cost.

      That said, some companies have already started to remove their roaming charges voluntarily, on a smaller scale, because they, SURPRISE!, found out that you can attract all the roaming customers if you do.

    27. Re:In other news... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the info. Any of those companies offer prepaid SIM cards that a tourist might pick up?

    28. Re:In other news... by Jazzbunny · · Score: 1

      And also worth mentioning that their population is highly concentrated in a few areas. Like Alaska - very low density (very few people for a massive place), but 95% of the population is concentrated in Fairbanks, Anchorage, and Juneau. Much easier to roll out a technology.

      . For example, Finland. Just over 5 million people in that very large country, but 25% of them live in Helsinki urban area. Or Sweden, with 9.2 million people in that massive land area, but 30% of them in Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmo urban areas.

      Yet our mobiles work fine in the backwoods of North Karelia and hills of Lapland. See for example this coverage map and compare it to what ever you like.

    29. Re:In other news... by Verna · · Score: 1

      Over the past ten years a lot has changed as a result of mobiles too: http://thealbatross.ca/2009/12/blackberry-users-discover-that-blackberry-is-also-telephone/

    30. Re:In other news... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      A half a day's drive? How many hours is that? At what speed? Winding roads?

      I've driven (in the US, in the least populated part of the country) on relatively "back roads" (ie not interstates) for 4+ hours and still gotten 3G signal.

      Also, you have to realize that there is a lot more low-density population land out here than there is anywhere in Europe - both as a percentage wrt population as well as overall area.

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    31. Re:In other news... by maccam · · Score: 1

      I think it is about time to retire the "Al Gore invented the Internet" jokes. Al Gore never made that claim; the RNC created that sound bite and released it to the media. Al Gore facilitated the internet by sponsoring the legislation that funded the infrastructure of the internet, and credit for that is the statement made by Gore that the RNC distorted into the famous "invented" quote. Gore deserves credit for having the vision to appreciate the importance of the internet, when other legislators did not. Even the 'the father of the Internet', Vint Cerf, gives Gore that credit.

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    32. Re:In other news... by v.+Konigsmann · · Score: 1

      I'd look into Orange --- from what I understand they don't care for non-residents registering ( though they used to, and may still do, allow an hotel as a valid address ) --- but here is their Camel Pay-As-You-Go sim, if you hit show details you can see the rates for each country which average 15p a minute ( but 6p for the USA ). http://shop.orange.co.uk/mobile-phones/plans/paygSimPlanList.jsp?selectedTariffName=Camel You could prolly get someone in England to post you one, or buy one off Ebay.co.uk. If there was difficulty registering to a non-British credit card ( and that's not a given ), nearly every other damn shop in Britain sells top-ups for all the sim providers. Alternatively, starter packs of sims are sold in stores, but those would not have cheap roaming. Here are a couple of quite recent links discussing this problem: http://www.ricksteves.com/graffiti/graffiti134.html http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10251727-94.html The latter affirms: 'Buying a SIM card when you get to London from a local operator, such as Orange, can offer even better deals. Orange offers a variety of service options for prepaid customers. In general, domestic calls range from 30 cents to 40 cents a minute, depending on the exchange rate. (All calls are billed in local currency.) And texts are about 20 cents to send and receive. With a special international plan, customers can also make international calls for as low as 10 cents a minute. Orange also offers free text messaging for customers when they "top up" or add money to their phones. One plan offers 300 free text messages with a 10-pound top up. And you can get 600 free text messages with a 20-pound top up and a 30-pound top up gets you unlimited text messages until the card expires.'

    33. Re:In other news... by Buelldozer · · Score: 1

      Here in Wyoming, in the United States of America, I can be on a piece of property that's half days drive from the nearest town and get a stable EVDO connection AND make calls WITHOUT an external antenna.

      Apparently the guys over at Verizon are smarter than the ones at Telstra! They've engineered it so I don't have to lug around an external antenna!

      Also, you're talking out of your hat. People piss and moan about cellular service in the USA but it's NOT that bad. You are probably not familiar with Wyoming so here's a wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming . In short the only reason we're not THE lowest population density state is because Alaska is just so damn big.

      Cellular service works here and it works surprisingly well considering how few people we have.

  2. featured a 110,000-pixel (0.11MP) CMOS image senso by homey+of+my+owney · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Which is still more than I need

  3. Smartphones and Flip Format by DG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey, mobile phone hardware designer types:

    The flip format is by far the superior design for a phone, as it allows the phone to halve it's length when not in use and simultaneously protects the screen and user controls.

    As much as I'd like to buy a cool phone like an iPhone or Blackberry, the "brick" format makes it a non-starter.

    Until then, I'm sticking with my RAZR V9.

    (Yes, the Blackberry Pearl is a flip - my wife has one - and that's not a bad phone at all. I *might* just jump at the next gen version of that)

    The other big selling point for me is battery life. Notwithstanding the decent media features on my V9, I never use it as a music player because that chews pretty heavily into the battery, and a phone's primary purpose is communications first. Maybe make a phone that has two batteries, and separates the "phone" functions from the "media" functions...

    DG

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    1. Re:Smartphones and Flip Format by peragrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      hey designers the flip phone is so last century. The brick format is far superior, allowing larger screen size, larger batteries, and larger buttons. not to mention the abaility to push a button to accept a call, not to have to use both hands too open the damned thing.

      flip phone suffer from breakage, and weak points in their overall designs(hinges can break) As much as I like retro old school toys please stop making them.

      Not everyone likes the same things. I have owned several of each style and i always seem to fall back to brick phones.

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    2. Re:Smartphones and Flip Format by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Informative

      Flip phones == more fragile moving parts for hinges and flip sensors or extra LCD on outer clamshell == break in two if dropped while open. Kind of a hassle when you open your phone and it dosen't even know it's open. Meanwhile my ugly slab has a cracked screen but is otherwise fully serviceable and will stay that way for the forseeable future.

      Agree with you 100% on the battery life issue, though.

    3. Re:Smartphones and Flip Format by feepness · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not everyone likes the same things.

      Which is why they should stop making flip phones?

    4. Re:Smartphones and Flip Format by mlts · · Score: 1

      I like both designs. The candy bar style phone is great with a touch screen, large display, and many features. It makes a great work phone.

      However, I don't like being in "work mode" 24/7 unless I am doing a project or I'm on call. I like a basic featured flip phone because it is small, unobtrusive, and fits nicely in a pocket. If the flip phone gets dropped, splashed in water, accidently microwaved, or otherwise trashed, I'm down $15 to $40, the cost of a bubble pack generic GSM "pay as you go" phone. If I'm really unlucky, I'm out a $20 SIM card. That's far better than the $400 my main phone would cost if that got ruined. Plus, unless I'm on call off hours, having no Exchange support or pushed E-mail is just fine with me. I'm still reachable in a bona fide emergency, it just takes the effort of making a call or a text message.

    5. Re:Smartphones and Flip Format by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      There are cheap soap-bar phones too, including some dust and splash resistant ones.

      There's even a really small and cheap one, the one review I saw of it was quite positive:
      http://www.gadgetfolder.com/simvalley-pico-rx-80-phone-credit-card-size-and-only-25.html

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    6. Re:Smartphones and Flip Format by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not to have to use both hands too open the damned thing.

      Captain Kirk never had this problem.

    7. Re:Smartphones and Flip Format by aedan · · Score: 1

      Flips are harder to use when you're on a bike. Ordinary ones I just have to pull out of my pocket and push the green button which I can do with one hand.

    8. Re:Smartphones and Flip Format by tzanger · · Score: 1

      Flip phones are not a superior technology; halving the length at the cost of doubling the thickness? No thanks.

      Some of us prefer a thin phone. You can keep your flip; I'll keep my bars.

    9. Re:Smartphones and Flip Format by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      I agree, and I also own a Razr. I'd love to upgrade, but my carrier doesn't offer any flip-phone style devices at all except for the absolute cheapest entry level devices (the sort of thing that you give to kids for their first phone, all hard plastic and tiny screen).

      My flip phone is much longer, when opened, than a brick making it easy to talk on. It's screen is huge (essentially the full length of the phone), and the screen is miraculously unscratched despite years of heavy use (no small feat for something that lives in the same pocket as my keys).

      No bricks for me, thanks.

    10. Re:Smartphones and Flip Format by peragrin · · Score: 1

      I have one candy bar phone that has been dunked in water three times, and is still running strong enough that my mother uses it now daily. A cheap reliable form comes in multiple styles.

      now I am careful to not dunk my iphone but even that has survived a 12 foot fall onto concrete with only a scratch on the case, okay maybe a slight dent. but no cracked screen.

      Also my iphone isn't the companies but mine, I don't use it to check work related information unless I am actually getting paid by work to be there. the email is my own personal account.

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  4. Fuck the RAZR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Everyone and their mother had to have one of those, and it wasn't even that good.

  5. Hmm by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 5, Informative
    An article? Hah. More like "ten bulletpoints that will take you a good 20-30 seconds to skim, but get us several ad impressions", including "insights" such as:

    2003 The Windows Mobile brand is launched with Windows Mobile 2003. Windows Mobile is widely used by businesses to do work on the move.

    Wow. Or:

    2005 Sony Ericsson launches a superb new camera phone called the K750i and a great music phone called the W800i. These two handsets establish Sony Ericsson as a serious consumer player.

    Awesome. Just awesome. If you think there's more depth than this, there's not. That is the sum total of the analysis of those two years.

    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Its like a few random factoids up to 2007 and then its *OMG THE IPHONE, THE IPHONE 3GS, ANDROID!!* colourful playthings and disposable gimmicks galore! Omg, soldered in batteries enforcing planned obsolescense! who came up with this wonderful idea?

    2. Re:Hmm by Karganeth · · Score: 2, Funny

      I own a K750i you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:Hmm by andyjb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      yes, petty poor in terms of insight. also a bit US centric really. I'm pretty sure Nokia released a product before 2006, and that they've been more than just an entry level phone manufacturer before and since (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nokia_products). Of course this was before they seemed to stop bothering, or got stuck chasing apples tail depending on your point of view. IMO windows has never released a noteworthy phone either.

    4. Re:Hmm by hitmark · · Score: 1

      technically windows, or rather microsoft, have never released a phone on its own. Instead its all third party, including companies like samsung and HTC (especially the latter).

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    5. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The iPhone has a fixed battery, but every Android device I've come across has a removable battery. If the battery dies on my Android device, I order another and drop it in.

    6. Re:Hmm by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      also a bit US centric really.

      A strange accusation, given that the article (such as it was) appears to have come from a British website. What are the odds they'd knock together a "US-centric" article?

      (Then again, complaints of this nature seem rather common here, so I shouldn't be surprised. You might want to get your knee looked at; if it's not jerking, it's at least twitching.)

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    7. Re:Hmm by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Save your comments for the next article, "What's happened to web pages over the past 10 years", the primary thing being splitting a three-paragraph article into 10 pages, each with two sentences and none times as much filler around it. Sad indeed.

  6. Notable hardware by ickleberry · · Score: 4, Informative

    This deserves a mention, the legendary Nokia 6310i still has a thriving refurb market to this day. That thing is probably the highest quality mainstream phone ever made. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/12/20/nokia_breakthrough_phone/

    3G (UMTS) turned out to be a bit of a disappointment with the required cell density there are only a few 3G-only networks in densely populated places like South Korea, 2G GSM is likely to stay around well into the LTE era.

    Satellite phone networks have also come a long way since the initial bankruptcies and unreliable services. There are now at least 4 Geosynchronous orbit satellite phone networks with handheld phones and the two LEO networks that went bankrupt both recovered and are planning to launch new satellites. The phones themselves also not half the size they used to be.

    1. Re:Notable hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never used the 6310i, but personally I loved the 3210 (which was the first phone I owned). It is easily the most comfortable phone I've ever used and the keypad was just out of this world compared to any other phone I've used since.

    2. Re:Notable hardware by hitmark · · Score: 1

      it kinda helps that one can do, on theory at least, handover from UMTS to GSM. And with EDGE, data transmissions over GSM at least is acceptable unless one tries to do real time streaming or similar (and i understand there is a update in the works that will bump the speed even more).

      all in all, GSM, ones it got GPRS, have shown itself remarkably adaptable. I have recently learned that i can even pull of something similar to UMTS's data and voice at the same time, by diving its time between the data and voice traffic.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Packet_Radio_Service#Hardware

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  7. Only Mobile? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    What about Montgomery, Birmingham, or Huntsville?

  8. I'll tell you what happened. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the same thing that happened with the cable (isp) company.

  9. Nokia N9000. by Luarvic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They missed the most important event of the year: launch of Nokia N900.

    1. Re:Nokia N9000. by kurt555gs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Interesting isn't it. I have been a fone geek since my my first in the trunk 3 watt analog radio shack branded Car phone. I have had at least one of every important cell phone as technology advanced. I never (before the N900) had one that would truly free me from a laptop.

      The N900 IS the most advanced (mobile computer that also has cell and viop phone functions) of the decade.

      I really do not understand why I am not seeing more about it.

      The reviews I do see are done by iPhone fanbois that can't get past the capacitive screen multi-touch which is not all that great for everything.

      I have chatted with many N900 users that after a month or so, are still finding new things.

      And, the N900 has one thing you can't find any where else. Real freedom. /rant off

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    2. Re:Nokia N9000. by geekd · · Score: 1

      No carrier subsidy = $571 (Amazon.com). THAT's why no one has it.

    3. Re:Nokia N9000. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      But a cheaper monthly rate than many, so if you plan to keep it 2 years, ultimately cheaper than the iphone.

    4. Re:Nokia N9000. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The N900 may be important this year but over the decade I think the most important was the first phone with WiFi. This isn't mentioned in the article and tbh I'm not sure which phone it is. I know HTC had WiFi phones around 2005 (Tornado and Universal) but I'm not sure if they were the first to include both GSM and WiFi in the same device. These were the start of the proper smartphone market and you mightn't have a N900 or iPhone without these type of phones.

    5. Re:Nokia N9000. by fm6 · · Score: 1

      I have been a fone geek since my my first in the trunk 3 watt analog radio shack branded Car phone.

      Was that the one the was essentially a two-way radio that only connected you to a phone operator? You do go back!

      I never (before the N900) had one that would truly free me from a laptop.

      That's a pretty subjective criterion. No palm-size device will every free most of us from a laptop. On the other hand, I've known people who claimed their Palm Vs did just that. OK, no networking. But upgrade to a Palm with a MMC slot (the V+ was the last Palm not to have one) and stick a bluetooth card in it...

      The N900 IS the most advanced (mobile computer that also has cell and viop phone functions) of the decade.

      If you want a truly hackable phone, yea, it's pretty important. Most consumers will give it a big yawn. And calling it a "computer" is pure marketspeak — I must own a dozen cheap gadgets that would qualify as a "computer" if you looked at them the right way.

      Which is not to trash the N900. It's pretty damn sexy. I'd run out right now and buy one if $400 wasn't such a nasty dent in my budget.

      I really do not understand why I am not seeing more about it.

      Shouldn't be hard to understand. Most people equate "smart phone" with "iPhone". (This is the product that took "app" from programmer slang to household word.) If you're a serious geek you're maybe into Android (mainly because Google is perceived as less fascist to developers and users than Apple). WebOS trails behind, and the older platforms (Windows Mobile, PalmOS, Symbian) still have some following.

      Even to the smallest of these, Maemo is tiny upstart. So far it's only been the basis for 3 devices, only one of which is a phone. Nokia's going to have to push this platform very hard if it's going to gain any traction. And from what I can see, Maemo is the poor stepbrother to Symbian in Nokia's product strategy.

      That's how established businesses kill new technologies, even when it's clear that those new technologies are what the company needs to adapt and grow. Folks loyal to the old technologies starve the new guys of resources (marketing, R&D, sales priorities) because they're in control. I speak from experience here, having worked in the x64 server branch of Sun.

      I have chatted with many N900 users that after a month or so, are still finding new things.

      Which is why I want one. But I'm not going to plunk down that much cash until I know this platform has a future. So far, I've seen little to convince me it does.

      Then again, the Great Recession might end next month and I'll go back to having too much disposable cash....

    6. Re:Nokia N9000. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny how the wealthiest nation on Earth relies almost entirey on subsidized phones, whereas elsewhere people pay happily the full cost in order to get the best gadgets.

      When the best features of a device can only be reached by doing something that is called "jailbreak" and may brick the device after next SW update, something must be wrong...

    7. Re:Nokia N9000. by lamapper · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No carrier subsidy = $571 (Amazon.com). THAT's why no one has it.

      Or go radical, ditch cellular and go 100% WiFi. I did and I have some friends that did. One friend of mine did this prior to the first WiFi phones after two different cellular companies tried to stick him with additional illegal charges over more than 10 years. He switched to VoIP and Skype. Back in the day he was paying over $150 per month for cellular so reducing his yearly costs to around $60 per month saved him almost $2,000 per year.

      Today you can get cellular service by either Metro PCS or TMobile for approx $50 per month. Skype costs you $5 per month. So based on Amazon's price, that $571 phone cost could be recouped in just over 1 year ($571 / $45 = 12.68 months) No contracts, no tethering, the only limitation might be no cellular, unless you purchase the N900 which gives you cellular as well. And the next year, you would be free and clear except for the $60 fee to Skype.

      For me Skype VoIP is the killer app of the decade, quickly followed by the Linux operating system. It gave me freedom, choice and options, which is better than FREE!

      Actually ditching cellular is not that radical, it used to be considered bad business to allow your work to be interrupted by constant phone calls. When driving a car, in many states its illegal to talk on the cell phone without a hands free device. Back in olden land line telephone days, if someone called you when you were not home, they left a message and you called them back when it was convenient for you. (I remember when very few people had answering machines, if they did it was reel to reel tape on a unit the size of a desktop IBM PC) If a company wanted you to be on call, they provided a beeper and paid you extra for the privilege of interrupting your after hours life and being on call. A much more logical, simpiler time.

      I consider not being connected to the Internet the same as not being home in the past. If someone calls, my Skype VoIP service allows them to record a message and I choose when to call them back based on what is going on in my life.

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    8. Re:Nokia N9000. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you have installment plans? In Finland most home electronics stores advertise "pay x euros a month for y months", which ultimately costs more than the original price, but lets you pay monthly instead of one big lump sum.

    9. Re:Nokia N9000. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      But, but, but... I'm just getting used to my N900 and you want me to buy a N9000!

      Aaargh!

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    10. Re:Nokia N9000. by lamapper · · Score: 1

      The N900 may be important this year but over the decade I think the most important was the first phone with WiFi.

      I too noticed this slight when I read the article referenced in the post above and left a comment there as well. The Nokia N770 came out in 2005; in 2006, the Nokia N800 was released. I think the N810 was released in 2008. These devices had GPS modules, extra cost + monthly service, so that would technically classify them as mobile devices. They just were NOT cellular.

      I agree with you, WiFi + VoIP was the killer app for the decade. The next decade will be Fiber and virtual reality, at least that is my guess. 3G and cellular simply will not have the bandwidth of Fiber. And while the telcos have been able to take our money and lobby to suppress Fiber deployment for well over two decades; they simply can not keep this up if for no other reason then it is hurting the GNP of the United States and costing Americans jobs.

      I would suggest to you that without job creation we are going to be in the recession/depression longer.

      Smart communities will put in City wide WiFi connected to Fiber backbones. Perhaps we will see a technology that I first read about in 2000, it was a communication spectrum with a wave length so long that it could deeply penetrate buildings and other normal blockages of signals. It also could travel farther distances. A small company in Canada had invented the technology. The router like device basically could break apart a communication (as TCP/IP packets are done now via the Internet) and put pieces on different parts of the spectrum. The spectrum's bandwidth was virtually unlimited and made existing FCC licenses for Wireless spectrum obsolete. In fact that was one of the biggest stumbling blocks to acceptance, adoption and deployment; the fees received on FCC licenses. They would all be worthless as soon as the technology was released and rolled out. The packets could be encrypted and sent on different parts of the spectrum which would make eavesdropping on communication practically impossible. That was expected to be a concern to the various security agencies that want to know what everyone is saying, with or without a court order.

      The Nokia N770 was out in 2005 and the Nokia N800 was out in 2006. They were/are great Linux computer / hand helds / VoIP smart phones / GPS + so much more. The Nokia N800 is still the standard by which I measure all other devices. No point in taking a step backwards technologically. And I do not give a rats about cellular. Weened myself many years back from that hole in the ethers to dump money in.

      What are the two happiest days in the life of a cellular customer, the day they purchase their cell phone/service and the day the purchase a Linux hand held + VoIP + WiFi and churn/dump cellular! (N800, N810, N900, in 2010 Google Android)

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  10. Nokia N900, I mean. by Luarvic · · Score: 2

    Sorry, the wrong subject. I mean, Nokia N900.

    1. Re:Nokia N900, I mean. by blackpig · · Score: 1

      And how sweet it is!

    2. Re:Nokia N900, I mean. by quenda · · Score: 1

      The ultimate geek phone!
      if you want to see your call log, just fire up Xterminal, get a root shell,
      and run the SQL client. Take THAT iPhone!

      Nokia-N900-42-11:~# sqlite3 /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db
      SQLite version 3.6.14
      Enter ".help" for instructions
      Enter SQL statements terminated with a ";"
      sqlite> select * from events order by id;
      1|1|2|1260931699|1260931698|0|0|0|0|0|ring/tel/ring||333|||
      2|1|2|1260932190|1260932189|0|0|0|0|0|ring/tel/ring||041XXXXXX|||
      3|1|1|1260934518|1260934512|0|0|0|0|0|sofiasip/sip/_30XXXXX_40sip01_2emynetfone_2ecom_2eau0||sip:089XXXXXXX@125.213.160.81:5060|||

      It has mobile, SIP, skype, SMS all in the one table.

      Of course sooner or later, some namby pamby spoilsport will write a GUI front-end for it.

  11. Don't underestimate the difficulty involved by LockeOnLogic · · Score: 0

    The holdbacks you mention are definitely true. But many of the comparisons made with other countries fail to point out just how huge a country america is. Covering that much area is quite a difficult task and involves greater expense. And it isn't just covering blank areas of the map between urban centers. Our cities also have tons of urban sprawl to make the job harder. Don't get me wrong, it's a task that can be accomplished if the telecoms stop their massive massive fail/theft. But the problem to overcome in the states is harder than europe/south korea/japan ect...

    1. Re:Don't underestimate the difficulty involved by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I lost the links, but not too long ago I found information showing that the US had only marginally more towers than Germany did back in 2006.

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    2. Re:Don't underestimate the difficulty involved by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      I think the main problem is the fact that there is nearly no real competition among the big cell phone providers. Look at AT&T, yeah, they are willing to do smear ad campaigns against Verizon and Verizon is willing to do the same to AT&T yet both seem more hell-bent to screw their customers more than actually change anything. Verizon seems to insist on castrating their phones, yeah, things have gotten better, yeah, they got the Droid which is perhaps one of the best phones of the year and one of the most open phones, but at the same time they screw their BlackBerry customers by trying to integrate Bing in there rather than whatever search provider the customer wants ( see http://jkontherun.com/2009/12/17/verizon-bing-make-google-go-boom-on-blackberry/ )

      If a single telecom could get A) Amazing coverage B) Fast networks C) Good phones D) Openness it would be great. But instead we get AT&T the overpriced carrier with good coverage, a fast 3G network and decent phones. Verizon, another overpriced network with good coverage, a -huge- 3G network, and phones that are castrated. T-Mobile which has good support (look at how they supported unlocked iPhones http://www.ismashphone.com/2009/05/tmobile-tech-support-hearts-unlocked-iphones.html ), open phones, but has a tiny 3G network and generally spotty coverage. And Sprint which is nice and cheap and has unlimited plans, has decent phones, but coverage just isn't quite there yet.

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    3. Re:Don't underestimate the difficulty involved by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      If a single telecom could get A) Amazing coverage B) Fast networks C) Good phones D) Openness it would be great.

      In many countries, they are single provider (or at least started that way). One company does the towers. They get the service for everyone. The carriers compete on price, features, phones, whatever, but everyone is on one and only one network that it is in the interests of all carriers to keep up and keep open.

      The US gave away spectrum to the local companies, never expecting mobile phones to be "national" and then had one other set of frequencies to sell to the highest bidder. It has changed since then, but it is still one where the providers are happy when the other's networks go down. Where areas are covered poorly, and no one cares because at least they own frequencies to lock others out. And you lock your stuff to your network (illegal in much of the world) and try to harm your users with monopolistic practices.

      Turn over the frequencies to a single company who makes and supports the network, then charges for time on it, make it illegal to lock phones to a network, and you'll see a massive improvement in the US network in a very short time.

      But that's socialist, so we'll get our "optimal" capitalism that leaves us paying more for less.

    4. Re:Don't underestimate the difficulty involved by orlanz · · Score: 1

      We could also turn over the network to a LOT of companies, put down regulations on frequency usages and open networks. Then we separate out the bandwidth and network maintenance provider from the service provider. Worst case, we have to have the government run the network cause it isn't profitable for the private sector.

  12. The inevitable Slashdot response... by jregel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Whenever mobile phones are mentioned on Slashdot, something akin to the following comment will inevitably appear:

    'All I want is a phone that makes calls.'

    I've never quite got my head around a tech site like Slashdot, where the demographic is almost certainly interested in new technology having such a negative response to technological advances in what our phones can do. You rarely [never?] hear this with other technology on this site:

    'I wish Windows 7 had less features. All I want is the ability to write a letter'
    'This 4Ghz Core 2 Due Hyperfighting Special Edition is too fast for me. I want a 68030 at 25Mhz'... instead we get 'Imagine a Beowulf cluster of...'

    Is it because the non-techie crowd have embraced mobile tech, in some instances more than us (given that some teenagers seem to text more than they speak) and we've been out done? Are the non-techies better at mobile tech than us?

    (Yes, I know that Slashdot doesn't speak with one voice, but I bet the comment appears somewhere in this article).

    1. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by oberondarksoul · · Score: 2, Interesting

      'I wish Windows 7 had less features. All I want is the ability to write a letter'

      I actually do feel like this at times. When I need to get down to work, to write something without distraction, the modern desktop can actually be an overawing place. A stark white screen with black text focuses the mind wonderfully.

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    2. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by loshwomp · · Score: 1

      I've never quite got my head around a tech site like Slashdot, where the demographic is almost certainly interested in new technology having such a negative response to technological advances in what our phones can do.

      It's not that. New features are fine when added to a solid core feature set, but when bells and whistles come at *the expense* of basics like durability, call quality, ergonomics, and a whole host of human factors, then that's shitty.

      The transition from land lines to mobiles marked a significant regression in both call reliability and call quality. Similarly, the "race to the bottom" for cheap mobile phones packed with bells and whistles has left quality behind. It's become acceptable to have telephones that lock up and reset periodically. My Western Electric model 2500 telephone was designed to last a lifetime (or several lifetimes), and to be *serviceable* in the unlikely event something broke. Almost all modern mobile phones are designed to take up space in the landfill two years after purchase.

    3. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      For me it's the opposite. I make frequent use of many of my phone's features: the browser, navigation, calendar/todo/notebook features, email, and so on... but I actually don't make calls all that often. Can they make me a cell phone without the phone (but with mobile data)?

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    4. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by vadim_t · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On my part, I used to be of the "All I want is a phone that makes calls" kind, but since then dropped that attitude.

      Years back, a phone could have a web browser, and a camera, but it was very likely that both things were going to be very half assed. So you'd get an expensive phone with bad battery life that'd be a pain to do web browsing on, and which would make really horrible photos. Also they were quite closed, and often the only option you had is to use the included crappy software or nothing at all.

      These days though, phones are shifting towards being a mini computer that just happens to make calls, such as the N900 for instance. And that is cool, and I'm looking forward to getting one. The ability of being whatever I want to do with it, including using skype is a huge advantage, and couldn't be had at any price just a few years back.

    5. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by hitmark · · Score: 1

      could be that the commenter is neck deep in sysadmin tasks, and dreads a phone with the complexity of a desktop computer, and as such will need the same level of care and maintenance.

      then there is the case that a phone have become something of a lifeline. It allows the summoning of all kinds of services. As such, one may not want some random feature to drain the battery while the phone is on standby in one pocket or bag, while on a extended outing away from a power grid socket, or some other source.

      personally, i do not buy the "just a phone" request, tho i would love to see android, maemo or some other platform show up on cheaper phones that i would not worry about having the funds to replace if broken. Until then i go for a two device strategy, one phone and one other that can do the web and similar on a somewhat larger but still portable screen. But then i live in a nation where the operators no longer care about separating tethering from on device data access. To them, data is data, and i can use any random phone to tether a second device, as long as they can interface somehow.

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    6. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      These days though, phones are shifting towards being a mini computer that just happens to make calls, such as the N900 for instance.

      That remark would be worth mod points if I had any left to spend. And for a very long time, that is something that a few companies, most notably Nokia, just didn't get when they designed their line of smartphones. It was as if they started with a mobile phone and added PDA-like features to it. The better smart phones started with a PDA and added phone functionality to that (which, if you already have a PDA, isn't all that much). Even Windows Mobile phones did far better in that respect than Nokia, for a good while.

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    7. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      Whenever mobile phones are mentioned on Slashdot, something akin to the following comment will inevitably appear:

      'All I want is a phone that makes calls.'

      I've never quite got my head around a tech site like Slashdot, where the demographic is almost certainly interested in new technology having such a negative response to technological advances in what our phones can do. You rarely [never?] hear this with other technology on this site:

      Before the iPhone, I used to echo this luddite-sounding sentiment as well. It wasn't because I was scared of new features, but because the new features often compromised the primary function of the phone itself. Giving them keyboards often made the number keys beyond tiny making it hard to dial in a number, the browsers and internet capability were micky mouse and often sucked battery life, it had a camera but besides poor pictures, it was hard to share them (often more work than it was worth), etcetera.

      And there are still people that just want a phone. Perhaps their workplace doesn't allow phones with cameras. Maybe they want to be reachable but without all the temptation and distractions. There are legitimate reasons to want less in a device besides battery life but it's probably borne out of frustration that so few manufacturers are willing to provide something very basic that works well rather than actual bitching about the specific device itself.

    8. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by supernova_hq · · Score: 1

      Try the n810.

    9. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by awyeah · · Score: 1

      RIM (the people who make BlackBerry) already had that covered. BlackBerrys were connected PDAs without phones at first. See the RIM 957.

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    10. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by Penguin+Programmer · · Score: 1

      The slashdot crowd sits in front of a computer. All day. Every day. Why have a phone that does stuff other than making calls when you have a computer in front of you all the time?

    11. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by Spad · · Score: 1

      "Proper" smart phones aren't a problem, it's the phones that try to offer the features of smartphones and end up with the worst of both worlds. You get crappy internet access (WAP) a crappy email substitute (MMS) a crappy camera, a crappy media player and to top it all off you get shitty battery life because of all these "features".

      If I want a smartphone I'll buy a smartphone, but if I don't buy a smartphone then I just want something that makes calls, handles text messages, has an alarm clock and has a decent battery life. My old Nokia 8910 would last almost a week between charges, my Samsung D900 lasts about 3 days if I don't make too many calls, most phones these days *aim* to survive one working day between charges and it's really not good enough (for my uses, at least).

    12. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by selven · · Score: 1

      The problem is that without phones that just make calls, if you already have your all-in-one entertainment and productivity center (eg. a netbook) and don't need a duplicate you would still have to spend $500 on all those features.

    13. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by rec9140 · · Score: 0, Troll

      'All I want is a phone that makes calls.'

      Its a phone.. what more does it need to do? ? ?

      My favorite and would still be in use if the CMDA version was more widely released, the Original Motoroal 8000UH Brick phone. Thats what all phones should be made like, to this day.

      If I need to send an email I will use the device for that,a COMPUTER. A computer equipped with a wireless data card of some sort.

      The correct device for the activity at hand, so a phone for a phone, a computer for a computer task.

      The more you add to a "phone" the more you get away from its core operation and need and its inability to keep up with that task.

      How I use a cell phone.

      1) As a phone. GASP! The horror, and "oh the humanity of it!"
      2) As a alpha pager. SMS has pretty much run most of the paging carriers out of business except in some of the rural regions I go to where a POCSAG pager on 152.480 is all that will cut it, as even a cell phone is useless.

      Any thing else I will pull out the correct device

      1) Laptop with wireless data card for web, email, etc..
      2) 2 Way radio for the various radio networks from analog conventional simplex to digital encrypted trunked.
      3) 9mm Sig
      4) 12 gauge S&W

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    14. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      We may be geeks with PC's and gadgets but the issues with smartphones are excess physical size, weight, cost and so on.
      I bet most people saying they don't want a camera on their phone have a 'proper' camera - hence the comments.
      For many many years I didn't want a damn camera on my phone, they weren't worth a crap. Then I got an iphone 3G - still kinda crap, upgraded to a 3GS and now I finally have a camera which is at least 'acceptable' and doesn't protrude from the rear, making it .5 -> 2mm thicker, unlike many other phones.

      Some /.'ers probably have a good mp3 player too and don't need mp3 playback - they just want a good, reliable, high quality phone with good signal strength and long battery life. Frankly I don't know where to turn anymore if I wanted such a thing, I don't know if it exists anymore.

      I mean I am happy with my iphone but I went from a 7 year old Sony Ericsson T-630 to an iphone, I skipped many many phones to do this, there was a lot of crap inbetween, that's likely what they are referring to.

    15. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      'All I want is a phone that makes calls.'

      That kind of mirrors the Unix philosophy: do one thing and do it well. Are you surprised to hear that sentiment on Slashdot? Like others have mentioned, until recently, multi-function cell phones pretty well sucked at everything. Even if I never get an iPhone, I'm glad that they elevated the public's expectation of how a cell phone should work. Contrast with my old RAZR where the browser was a complete freakin' joke and all the extra half-assed features only served to clutter up the menus so that it was harder to get to the stuff I actually wanted to use.

      Even today, a top-of-the-line phone is much worse than a decent netbook for many things. If I already have my music and pictures on the netbook in my bag, why duplicate so much of the functionality (poorly) on my phone?

      I'm not a Luddite, and the iPhone and Droid are looking pretty attractive. I can definitely understand the "just a phone" sentiment, though, and it has nothing to do with a fear of technology.

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    16. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by Pederson · · Score: 0

      You have absolutely no idea what you're saying. "If I need to do something, I'd prefer to do it the most ineffective way I can. For no reason at all but because I'm stuck in non-progressive ways and stubborn for no reason."

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    17. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by rantingkitten · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A stark white screen with black text focuses the mind wonderfully.

      Almost. But it's also like staring into a light bulb.

      I kind of miss those ancient word processors with white or green text on a black background that ran on old DOS machines. Great for just writing something with a bit of formatting thrown in, and fools the world over had no way to crap up their documents with fifty different font sizes, colors, and faces.

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    18. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      Whenever mobile phones are mentioned on Slashdot, something akin to the following comment will inevitably appear:

      'All I want is a phone that makes calls.'

      I've never quite got my head around a tech site like Slashdot, where the demographic is almost certainly interested in new technology having such a negative response to technological advances in what our phones can do. You rarely [never?] hear this with other technology on this site:

      'I wish Windows 7 had less features. All I want is the ability to write a letter'
      'This 4Ghz Core 2 Due Hyperfighting Special Edition is too fast for me. I want a 68030 at 25Mhz'... instead we get 'Imagine a Beowulf cluster of...'

      Is it because the non-techie crowd have embraced mobile tech, in some instances more than us (given that some teenagers seem to text more than they speak) and we've been out done? Are the non-techies better at mobile tech than us?

      (Yes, I know that Slashdot doesn't speak with one voice, but I bet the comment appears somewhere in this article).

      Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping? I don't need a whole damned OS like EMACS. Dammit, all I want is a text editor that lets me edit text.

      Who the hell thought all this useless visual bling was a good idea? You shouldn't need a video card with pixel shader support just to boot a bloody OS without missing out on the standard display mode. Installing Vista was a mistake, I just want an OS that I can use to run my apps.

      Reliance on Flash harms the web. You can't index it properly, you can't use it with text to speech easily. I just want a web page that lets me read some text.

      Many people on slashdot do love shiny new things at any cost. Many others see enormous inherent value in something simple, sensible and reliable which embraces the UNIX Way of doing one thing well. Personally, I edit in vi, my newest Windows box runs XP, and... Oh, I just got my shiny new Nokia n900 a few days ago.

      But, until I got the n900, I used an ancient little phone that worked great, had a black and white screen, and let me make phone calls. At least my phone does run vi.

    19. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not have the best of both worlds? This is a problem that is easily solved with a GSM based network, and two phone lines. You have your usual phone that can do everything on one line. Then on the other line, you have a dirt cheap phone. I picked up a Nokia 1661 for $15 which is a phone that can do four things: Use a LED on the top as a flashlight, play a FM radio on attached earphones with a 2.5mm connector, do calls, and do text messages. The phone is very well built for a cheapie, and it does all I need when I don't feel like taking my Android phone (say when outdoors or taking a weekend sabbatical.) The only thing notable about the 1661 is that nobody has been able to crack its unlock algorithm yet, so you won't be finding unlocked versions of these.

      Low end phones are well made. Other than incremental UI improvements, there isn't much that can be done with them, improvement wise.

    20. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've never quite got my head around a tech site like Slashdot, where the demographic is almost certainly interested in new technology having such a negative response to technological advances in what our phones can do. You rarely [never?] hear this with other technology on this site:

      The moderation system is largely responsible for this sort of noise. Lots of people raise popular-beat-to-death issues or post contrarian views just to get that +5 Insightful next to their name.

      I know this because I'm guilty of it.

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    21. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by thePsychologist · · Score: 1

      Before the very recent N900 and some other fringe phones, mobile phones were like Windows, only worse: locked and you really can't do anything with them, and half the features cost an arm and a leg when they should be free. Hence, most people don't want them. Imagine if all phones were unlocked, texts, caller ID, and other features which don't cost the phone company any money were free. I think phones would have more positive rep then.

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    22. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by Rick17JJ · · Score: 1

      I only make about one call per week with my cell phone and do not use it enough to even remember how to adjust the volume. All I want is a cell phone to make calls. Any unnecessary complexity just gets in the way of my remembering how to just make a call or adjust the volume.

      I have memorized the several of my most commonly used phone numbers, which saves me from needing to know how to look up a telephone number in the cell phone. I keep a few other less commonly used telephone numbers on a card in my wallet.

      I usually do not bring my reading glasses along when hiking or working outside, so I am then unable to see the menus or labels on the buttons. So when I forget which button does what, I have difficulty using the phone. As for the alternative of using voice activated commands when outdoors, I do not use the cell phone enough to ever remember how to use that feature either.

      Despite being somewhat of a Luddite about some technology, I have built several of my own desktop computers for use at home over the years, and installed Linux on each of them. I even prefer to do many ordinary tasks such as moving files from the command line instead of using the built-in point-and-click GUI alternatives. But, I was once told by a computer expert, that Linux is too difficult for the average computer user. I have never managed to learn how to properly operate my cell phone, but I have had no building a computer and installing and using Linux. I also managed to easily setup my DSL modem and its firewall, even though the installation CD was not designed to run under Linux. But, using an ordinary cell phone is a much more difficult task which is too complicated for me.

      By the way, all that advertising on TV about the minutes used in a plan, is as irrelevant to me as extra cell phone features, since I only use a total of several minutes per month. Cell phone are not designed or marketed towards customers like me.

    23. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by houghi · · Score: 1

      I am a person who only wants phone and sms. Those I mostly use to make an apointment with people so we see each other in person soewhere. I do not want a computer with me all the time. I detest blackberry people who are online all the time. If iother people are more interesting then I am, please go to them. Do not come to me and then chat with them.

      I rather plan my day around what I need to do. Not sitting at a PC and having actual contact with real people is very intersting. It is like live chat, but you can actually hear, see and feel the person.

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    24. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by vlm · · Score: 1

      I only use a total of several minutes per month. Cell phone are not designed or marketed towards customers like me.

      Same here. You're looking at the wrong marketing. Check out the "prepaid" providers like virginmobile. I went from paying Verizon around fifty dollars per month to paying virginmobile about ten dollars per month.

      Now, realize virgin mobile marketing material is heavily and exclusively oriented toward the "young ignorant urban minority poor" demographic group, so most other demographics (such as my own, being roughly the exact opposite) will find their marketing campaign to be repulsive if not downright offensive. But that has nothing to do with the phone hardware, or their billing system, both of which work quite well.

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    25. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by skrolle2 · · Score: 1

      It's because the consumer electronics race causes manufacturers to fill their products with CRAP so that they get more feature bulletpoints or larger numbers they can use in their sales material, because stupid consumers think that more feature and larger numbers are better. That's why we have the megapixel race on compact cameras, even though more megapixels may in many cases produce worse images given that everything else is the same. What really matters is the quality of the optics and the quality and size of the CCD, but you can't put a nice number on that, so manufacturers don't bother.

      With phones, and especially smartphones, it's all about feature bulletpoints and cramming as much shit into the phone as possible, and who the fuck cares about processor power or battery life, eh? The result is shit phones that are slow, and crashing, and that run out of batteries really fast. What use is a phone if you can't actually make calls on it? If you can send a text message? If it takes a few seconds between each keypress for it to register, the phone is fucking broken. I don't care that is has a bajillion apps and features and browsers and data transfer and internet connectivity and word document readers when I can't make or receive a call.

      And that's why you get the backlash here, because it's the people here that are the early adopters, that buy the promised new cool technology, and it's the people here that discover when it's shit and doesn't work, and make rants about how they "just want a phone that makes calls".

    26. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      'All I want is a phone that makes calls.'

      I've never quite got my head around a tech site like Slashdot, where the demographic is almost certainly interested in new technology having such a negative response to technological advances in what our phones can do. You rarely [never?] hear this with other technology on this site:

      'I wish Windows 7 had less features. All I want is the ability to write a letter'

      I have a Droid, and while I love it (it's actually quite nice), it's a worse phone than my old flip phone. The dialpad isn't accessible, and the face recognition engine (which turns off the screen when an object is near it) means that I time out when going through tech support hell because while it's good at turning off the screen, it sucks at waking back up. I also had close to 20 speed dial settings on my flip phone. On the Droid, the closest you can do is set shortcuts to dial people, which means using up screen real estate, and/or having to flip to the left home screen where I keep all my shortcuts (less than 20, that's for sure) and risking accidentally dialing someone when it interprets a drag as a click. Which happened today, actually.

      Long story short, mobile phones actually are better phones than smartphones. It just comes with the territory. I got a smartphone because I actually need one for my job (I run a small company, and am on the road all the time), not because I thought it's be a good phone.

      As far as Windows 7, yeah I wish it had less features. If it had the XP UI (which you can't enable entirely, only some parts of it) on top of the Win7 internals, I'd buy it. As it is, I'm sticking with XP until something compels me out of it.

    27. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      I don't want to be online all the time either.

      For me it's for easy internet access at any time and any place. It can be handy if I get bored, or want to show somebody a photo I made, or to check product prices online when shopping to make sure I'm getting a reasonable offer.

    28. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by Inda · · Score: 1

      And all those posts just show that people are uneducated and market driven sheep. Cheap phones that only make calls have always been available.

      http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.207-4006.aspx

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    29. Re:The inevitable Slashdot response... by argent · · Score: 1

      1. Things are different in the US.

      In the US, cheap phones that only do "phone stuff" cost *more* than fancier phones, because the major carriers include a "free phone" in their contracts (you pay for the phone whether you want to or not), and arrange their contract terms so that it's cheaper to sign a two year contract (free phone included) than go month-to-month for two years with your own phone.

      Even the low end carriers and PAYG plans include a web browser and usually a camera and mp3 player in THEIR cheapest phones.

      2. Those cheap phone have cheap batteries.

      I want a plain old cellphone not because I'm allergic to features, but because I want a cellphone with decent battery life, like my old Nokia bar phone that could easily go a long weekend on a charge. Not one that needs to be charged every night. But since charge-every-night is the standard, why would a company making phones on minimal margins do any better?

  13. I prefer slider phones by IYagami · · Score: 1

    They are smaller than brick phones and the screen can be bigger.

    Besides, you can answer a call just by sliding the screen.

    1. Re:I prefer slider phones by peragrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      sliders are 30% thicker, and you complexty in the form of the slide mechaism while stronger than flips is still a weak point.

      there is a reason why it is called a brick.

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  14. Still haven't sold me by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

    They still haven't sold me on needing one. I have a work phone, and if I lost use of it tomorrow, I doubt I would replace it. Possibly with the cheapest prepaid phone service I could find if it was guaranteed to work.

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  15. Well, you heard it now. by argent · · Score: 1

    I wish Windows 7 had less features. All I want is the ability to write a letter

    I wish Windows 7 had fewer features. All I want is an OS, not an entertainment center loaded with DRM so that people who want to watch movies on their PC can do it without buying the "entertainment center" version. I don't want Aero Glass and the Sidebar and System Restore and all the other memory- and laptop-battery-wasting CRAP that Windows has accumulated over the years. When I use Windows, I use Windows 2000 or XP.

    I want a phone that just does "phone stuff", so the power that goes to the faster CPU can go to giving me longer standby time, so the space taken up by the large screen and camera and flip-out keyboard can go to a larger battery instead. Because my first cellphone was a dumb bar phone, just a phone, with a battery pack that could go three days without a recharge... and for my current phone I have a charger at home, a charger in my office, and a charger in my car just in case. Text, sure, but leave out the MP3 player and camera and web browser and all the rest of the glitz until battery technology is up to the job.

    Being interested in technology doesn't make one automatically in favor of stupid ideas just because they're shiny.

    1. Re:Well, you heard it now. by awyeah · · Score: 1

      I won't argue with you on the DRM and bloat - although I will say, with all that crap turned on and set to reasonable defaults - long gone are my days of trying to tweak every setting, I just don't have the time and patience for that anymore - my laptop on Windows 7 seems to get better battery life than it did on XP...

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    2. Re:Well, you heard it now. by Pederson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Really? You consider an mp3, camera and browser useless? I don't know about you, but I don't feel like carrying around 4 different pocket sized devices everywhere I go. If I have to charge my battery every night before bed instead of having to charge 4 devices every two or three days while having to carry them around plus their chargers, I'll make that sacrifice. Slashdot is full of old guys whom just won't get with the times because they simply believe 'they're right'. Whatever, you'll be dead soon and we can get on with progress, thanks.

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    3. Re:Well, you heard it now. by Alarindris · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but I don't feel like carrying around 4 different pocket sized devices everywhere I go.

      You don't have to! There's a new technology called leaving it at home.

      I don't know about you, but I don't feel the need to carry around a cellphone/ipod/computer/camera everywhere I go.

      I don't need to listen to music all the time, and I don't need to be in touch with my friends all the time. I also don't need to take pictures of my friends and I all the time either, because they all look the same. My friends and I at a party. Woohoo.

      Kids these days make me sick. Always on their fucking phones yapping away or an ipod in their ears. And I'm only 26.

      There is a world out there you know. You're missing it.

    4. Re:Well, you heard it now. by argent · · Score: 1

      You consider an mp3, camera and browser useless?

      I don't consider them worth the cost in battery life. Having to charge every day means having to be prepared to charge it more often than every day, when you have a high usage day.

      No, I don't carry around "four different pocket sized devices". I consider the ability to make a phone call when I need to more important. Especially after having my first semi-smart phone go dead on me when I was trying to call my insurance company after an accident.

    5. Re:Well, you heard it now. by argent · · Score: 1

      XP already has a bunch of stuff running that it shouldn't. Turning that stuff off and turning it back into Windows 2000 is most of the tweaking I've ever done to it.

      I don't think I've been into "tweaking every setting" since I had an Amiga.

  16. Both hands? by DG · · Score: 1

    Both hands to open? Seriously?

    All you do to open a V9 is kinda slip your thumb in-between the halves and snap it open, like an old-school Trek communicator. Easily done one-handed, and is an automatic muscle-memory for me now.

    And hinge mechanisms can easily be engineered to last; it just takes making hinge robustness a design priority. In fact, all the mil-spec rugged phones I was looking at recently were all flips.

    If you want a brick, hey, more power to you. But I want all those smartphone features in a flip.

    DG

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  17. Pet peeve by vadim_t · · Score: 1

    The quality of a camera isn't measured in megapixels. It depends on the quality of the optics and the sensor. A 10MP camera in a cell phone is only going to give you huge, noisy images.

    1. Re:Pet peeve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 10MP camera in a cell phone is only going to give you huge, noisy images.

      My pet peeve, people who think it's all in the lens. The best lens in the world isn't going to make a poor sensor look good.

  18. UMTS and larger cells by NeuralAbyss · · Score: 1

    There's also predominantly 3G networks in Australia - one of the national mobile carriers has bigger coverage on UMTS/HSPA than on GSM. For a rural example, the 300km stretch from Mildura to Broken Hill has absolutely no GSM or 3G coverage after leaving Mildura, but UMTS works for 2/3 of the way.

    Cell density is required to be high in densely-populated areas with the current public appetite for data, but it doesn't mean that UMTS won't service large cells. People simply don't put the same demands on GSM cells because data throughput is awfully slow.

  19. The cool thing about phone cameras... by DG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...is not quality, but immediacy.

    I don't always have my camera on me, but I ALWAYS have my phone. The ability to grab a quick snapshot or video clip when something unexpected happens is priceless.

    And the further ability to get that shot out on the network, before it can be censored... I've never had to rely on that, but it has done great things for other people.

    And while it will never compete with a SLR bodied, pro camera, I've been pleasantly surprised by just how good a RAZR V9 can be. "Cell phone quality" need not mean "horrific".

    And it works through the daysight on a TLAV 1m turret. That has proven useful.

    DG

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    1. Re:The cool thing about phone cameras... by houghi · · Score: 1

      I have also a phone with camera and the things I realy am happy about of having a camera with me are absolutely 0.
      The only thing I do is take stupid pictures and send that to people with the comment "You had to be there."
      Apparently I am not the only one, because all the pictures I see are of the same sort where "I had to be there" to think they are somewhat interesting.

      In the past when you still needed to buy a film and let it develop, the pictures I took were still of the same. Some people sitting somewhere being together. This has not changed. The difference is that now I get pictures from everywhere that say "look, a picture where we are together."

      In the past is was boring to watch somebodies diashow. Well, it still is and not everyuthing that is unexpected needs to be filmed.

      Obviously you can prove me wrong by showing me all these interesting pictures. Untill then I bet they are not intersting and most likely not amusing.

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  20. What has happened in Mobile... by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    If you really want to know, there are several newspapers in Mobile that probably offer online archives going back that far that would tell you everything you wanted to know about the events of the past decade.

    The Mobile Press Register is probably a good place to start..

  21. What's happened? by CxDoo · · Score: 1

    10 years and the summary reads Blackberry, Motorola, Apple?
    Well, keep wondering...

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  22. Wow, that's a big decade in Mobile... by dontmakemethink · · Score: 1

    That's an amazing amount of developments for a small city in Alabama.

    But I thought Blackberries were Canadian...

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    1. Re:Wow, that's a big decade in Mobile... by Pederson · · Score: 0, Troll

      How do you 'think' BlackBerries are Canadian? Are you not connected to the internet posting this? Do you not have access to Google? Wikipedia? Bing..?

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  23. They missed an important on: Nokia 1100 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nokia 1100 is not only a remarkable mobile phone, but also a best-seller:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_1100

  24. Shipbuilding comeback by fotoguzzi · · Score: 1

    That has been the big thing in Mobile if you go by Wikipedia.

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  25. You should NEVER hold the phone up to your head by Trip6 · · Score: 1

    Cell phones are microwave ovens cooking your head. Hold next to any body part, especially your head, at your own risk. Always use the earbuds/microphone or at least a bluetooth device.

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    1. Re:You should NEVER hold the phone up to your head by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      Cell phones are microwave ovens cooking your head. Hold next to any body part, especially your head, at your own risk. Always use the earbuds/microphone or at least a bluetooth device.

      Yes keep them in your pocket so you can keep your brain safe while saving money by no longer needing expensive sterilization surgery ! Now if only they invented a phone that emitted gamma radiation.

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    2. Re:You should NEVER hold the phone up to your head by Trip6 · · Score: 1

      It looks like cell phones will be this generation's cigarettes - everybody uses them freely while ignoring/not fully acknowledging the medical risks involved. Expect restrictions on using them without a headset and other common sense precautions.

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  26. Linux latop with SIP and cell radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Carrier subsidies are a festering boil on the rear end of US cellar. Locked in, overpriced (do the math on a 2 year) neutered hardware (many functions are there, intentionally disabled/unsupported/no 3rd party) that people consider "disposable" because its hidden behind a monthly fee.

    If you learn to budget and save for things you want, good things happen. E.g. you can buy a superior phone for a cheaper net price and not be locked into one carrier. Sadly only one US carrier truly has an unsubsidized plan with an actual discount, for all the others you're often better off bringing your own phone, using their discount on the best deal and selling that handset to some other sucker. Though you still get locked in, so its lose lose.

    1. Re:Linux latop with SIP and cell radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      T-mobile has a good balance to this. You have the usual two ways of buying a phone (2 year contract, subsidized phone), or no contract and pay the full cost. T-Mobile also charges about $10 less a month on a month to month contract (which is only fair because month to month users are not paying for a phone over time.)

      The third option is that they will finance a chunk of the phone for you, so you pay what don't finance at the beginning, then you pay over 11 months the rest of the phone. Even though you are paying for the phone, you are not on a contract, and can kill that at any time (although the cost of the phone the buyer is still responsible for.)

  27. There is! by Antiocheian · · Score: 1

    There *is* more depth, take a look at the final item:

    2010 There are rumours that Apple is going to launch a larger iPhone/tablet device. Palm will hopefully announce a new phone at CES and everyone hopes that Nokia will unveil something amazing.

    Capiche ?

  28. Why must quality cost extra? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nokia was my first and last *good* cheap cell phone, back in 2002. It even came with a few free games and was indestructable. I get the basic phones because I don't want added features, music, etc. I started getting LG when i switched to verizon, and each time I get a new phone (often since I am apt to lose it), it has less customizable options, the camera seems to get worse, etc. After a few of these phones, I've concluded it must be a tactic to get me to spend money for a designer-brand phone. With Verizon, you sacrifice quality for coverage.

  29. An mp3 player in my cellphone? by NoDude! · · Score: 1

    What, no mention of the Motorola F3? It made the biggest positive change for a mobile devices in the past 10 years. Namely, it dropped features - all of them, except for making calls. Give me a phone with a decent battery life and slim-enough to fit in a shirt pocket, I can bring my own damn camera. I can even bring a netbook if I feel withdraw symptoms from lack of youtube videos, I'm a man after all, I was made to haul stuff around. Get off my lawn!

    1. Re:An mp3 player in my cellphone? by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Though F3 went too far; not only dropping features, but making one essential hardly bearable - it has horrible, horrible UI (mostly due to its screen, working more or less like 7-segment calculator screens)

      Nokia 1100 and its ilk (1110, 1200, 1208, 1202, 1280, 1616...) are much better in that (and actually pioneered the concept; one to which Nokia seems to be sticking). Also much more sturdy; and flashlight is quite handy.

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    2. Re:An mp3 player in my cellphone? by lamapper · · Score: 1

      What, no mention of the Motorola F3? It made the biggest positive change for a mobile devices in the past 10 years. Namely, it dropped features - all of them, except for making calls. Give me a phone with a decent battery life and slim-enough to fit in a shirt pocket, I can bring my own damn camera. I can even bring a netbook if I feel withdraw symptoms from lack of youtube videos, I'm a man after all, I was made to haul stuff around. Get off my lawn!

      Sorry, but that phone, with limited software application, with an itty bitty little screen is simply not that phenomenal. Also, it was released this year....past 10 years, come on already.

      The Nokia N800 was released in 2006, the screen is about as small as I would ever want in the future. Thanks to the full browser, you surf the web in the same manner as you would on a desktop, laptop, and net book. This is a huge plus! If you had City wide WiFi (admittedly very few places did/do) it was mobile. Granted the GPS module would give you some interesting mobile tracking however you had to pay extra for that.

      Now that its younger sibling, the Nokia N900 has arrived and provides for cellular capability in addition to everything else one could want on a hand held computer / smart phone, the only device that comes close, will be released in the 1st quarter 2010, the Google Android ~ unlocked with Linux root access capability. No tethering, no limitations, anything you can do on your netbook and laptop, except perhaps software development and video manipulation you will be able to do on this device.

      And why limit yourself to an MP3 Player when you can have a Music player that pulls in other resources, information, fan sites, tour schedules, recent releases, photos and more while you are listening to the music as you can with Amarok (Linux Music playing software). Buy your music ONCE and listen to it on all your devices. Blows a little ole MP3 player away. Oh yea, you can watch H.264 codec formated high definition video on the device in addition to listening to music.

      Once you get a taste of the possibilities with a Nokia Nxxx (N770, N800, N810, N900) and soon Android Google phone you will not want to use other devices. I mean I have a camera, I have a device that can do pretty much every thing else, why would I carry another phone, I would not.

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  30. And that's a good thing by sznupi · · Score: 1

    If you look at it in certain way. It's a testament to growing popularity of cellphones throughout the world.

    In 2000 there were around 700 million subscribers globally. Now it's at 4.6 billion, and still growing rapidly. It's not about features, it's about phones that allow such numbers of connected people; this will be their most important impact on our civilization.

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  31. Cellular in Finland by MacroRodent · · Score: 1

    "For example, Finland. Just over 5 million people in that very large country, but 25% of them live in Helsinki urban area.

    True, but the coverage in the rest of the country (where I happen to live) is still very good. You will have to go far into unpopulated woods to lose the signal entirely, although more advanced technologies like EDGE or 3G drop out soon outside cities or major roads. The upcoming 3G over the 900 Mhz band should help solve some of this problem.

    In the countryside, the telcos are actually more or less forcing people to cellular by dropping maintenance of fixed wire lines, which is much more expensive in sparsely populated areas than maintaining a few more base stations. Many hate this because then they cannot get ADSL lines and have to rely on slower wireless data.

    1. Re:Cellular in Finland by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Yet I've been 20 miles from the nearest town (ie somewhere with a gas station, population > 15 or so), which would put me maybe 50 miles from the nearest population center (10k+ population), and I've seen phones here in the US still get EDGE.

      It really depends. Considering the swaths of unpopulated land here in teh US, it's amazing that there's signal in many places at all, nevermind good signal.

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  32. Heel Tastic Review by ruenei · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Heel Tastic is one those As Seen On TV health products that hit the scene hard after it's appearance on Pitchmen featuring Billy Mays. I'd seen it before under its previous name, Heel Stick and was pretty confident that nothing about it had changed much so I went a head and bought it. Heel Tastic

  33. low density suburbs and exurbs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looking at just strict density over the entire country isn't very applicable; you need to look at the percentage of population that lives in the large cities. You'll find that in Europe the effective density is much higher than in the US; a large percentage of the total population of most European countries live in a relatively small area and in the cases of the Scandinavian nations large areas of their country are essentially uninhabited.

    It should also be noted that the US has absolutely horrible land use policies (in general).

    Sure there are huge areas of uninhabited rural land (e.g., Montana, the Dakotas), but large portions are also suburb and "exurbs" where density is very low compared to old school "downtown" cores. The low densities makes servicing the areas with utilities (power, gas, cable, telco) much more expensive on a per capita basis, and is also the reason why everyone must drive (it's not cost effective to run public transit or even bike lanes really).

    We've know the effects of building strictly for the automobile for at least 40 years, and yet the general American love affair with it, and communities built around its use, shows few signs of abating. If the US gets serious about design more "human level" neighbourhoods then they'd be able to kill multiple birds with one stone. (And building higher density areas doesn't mean giving up the care entirely, it simply becomes one option of many for getting around, instead of being the only practical option.)