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New Tech Promises Cheap Gene Sequencing In Minutes

Zothecula writes "Sequencing an entire genome is currently a highly complex, time-consuming process – the DNA must be broken down into segments and replicated, utilizing chemicals that destroy the original sample. Scientists from Imperial College London, however, have just announced the development of a prototype device that could lead to technology capable of sequencing a human genome within minutes, at a cost of just a few dollars. By contrast, when sequencing of the genome of Dr. James Watson (co-discoverer of the structure of DNA) was completed in 2007, it had taken two years and cost US$1 million."

121 comments

  1. but by electrosoccertux · · Score: 0

    can it sequence as fast as slashdotters can claim first post?

    1. Re:but by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, but it can identify the gene for compulsive behaviour.

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    2. Re:but by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      can it sequence as fast as slashdotters can claim first post?

      Nope, but it is following an exponential cost curve. Get it cheap, get it fast, hook it to some truly impressive computing technology to make some sense out of it and you've got?

      1984 looking like the Elysian fields? Paradise? Something in between?

      As the old Chinese curse goes "May you live in interesting times".

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      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    3. Re:but by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      what about in comparison to slashdotter accuracy on first post?

      basically, how accurate is this thing supposed to be for it's "fast sequencing"?

    4. Re:but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're into the fast sequencing of spilled genes, maybe you wanted the "stroke period" /. not the "slash dot" /.

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    5. Re:but by wealthychef · · Score: 1

      Don't worry: The article breathlessly describes strands of DNA zipping through holes and being scanned, but at the end it admits, it's "10 years away", so that means realistically, it'll never happen and they just want more funding.

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    6. Re:but by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      LULZ! Frist psoter is frist! OMGCLONIES!

      FTFY

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    7. Re:but by QueenOfAstronomy · · Score: 1

      No, but it can identify the gene for compulsive behaviour.

      Hmmmm.... won't that lead to many, many ethical problems?

    8. Re:but by alphatel · · Score: 1

      There are a number of experiments which explore both nanopore scaling and eletrode interference. The majority of them are under grants at http://projectreporter.nih.gov/reporter.cfm. These and other future projects are summarized in plain text at Dna Sequencing

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    9. Re:but by thedarkchaos · · Score: 1

      There are a number of experiments which explore both nanopore scaling and eletrode interference. The majority of them are under grants at http://projectreporter.nih.gov/reporter.cfm. These and other future projects are summarized in plain text at Dna Sequencing

      Navigating that query form at nih is impossible!

    10. Re:but by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      No, but it looks like it might be next years most wanted Christmas toy.

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  2. GATTACA Here we Come by clonan · · Score: 1

    Now if we get it down to a second we can use it to control turnstyles...

    1. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by ThunderBird89 · · Score: 2

      I was thinking more along the lines of Ultraviolet, where a blood sample is used to sign a receipt of sorts: grip pen tightly, it draws a small sample, then sign your signature in blood to confirm identity both via DNA and signature.
      Also, it's used standalone as identification, so maybe we could get unforgeable (or at least VERY hard to forge) IDs.

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    2. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      Now if we get it down to a second we can use it to control turnstyles...

      I'm more worried about them using it in airports. That will mark the last time I ever fly.

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    3. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Also, it's used standalone as identification, so maybe we could get unforgeable (or at least VERY hard to forge) IDs.

      Not a problem. I can get lots of your DNA. Without you even knowing it.

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    4. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, DNA can already be custom made, blood proteins might be harder to fake in the right amounts but probably not. Not within reach of your average methhead Identify thieves but probable do able for larger corporations/governments.

    5. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a problem. I can get lots of your DNA. Without you even knowing it.

      Was that you at the glory hole?

    6. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by ThunderBird89 · · Score: 1

      Also, it's used standalone as identification, so maybe we could get unforgeable (or at least VERY hard to forge) IDs.

      Not a problem. I can get lots of your DNA. Without you even knowing it.

      I'm guessing you're referring to covertly collected hair or skin samples. If someone's watching who touches them and how, those aren't that easy to get. Also, the DNA is likely to be incomplete or deteriorated from exposure, unlike that extracted from a blood sample or a tissue swab.

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    7. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by clone52431 · · Score: 2

      No, he was referring to covertly collected tissue samples contaminated with certain bodily fluids well-known for containing DNA.

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    8. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      Also, it's used standalone as identification, so maybe we could get unforgeable (or at least VERY hard to forge) IDs.

      Sure, as long as the reference database is un-hackable and there's no way to sniff and spoof the digital signature generated from the DNA anywhere along the communication path from the reference database to the end device...oh, wait...

      But true, this would make low-tech identity theft much more difficult.

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    9. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And that's why I always eat the evidence. You just can't be too safe.

    10. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by kurokame · · Score: 1

      The emergence of MEMS devices for performing PCR and doing chemical analysis makes the development of portable DNA scanners more or less inevitable at this point. The only question is who will get the patent.

      The odds are fairly high that in a maximum of 20 years, I will be able to hop on Digikey and buy a DNA scanner IC for a few dollars. Given that it could integrate an appropriate sample collection modality and immediately begin PCR may also significantly broaden what constitutes a viable sample compared to modern DNA analysis which incorporates significant oversampling mainly to ensure that something actually reaches the PCR stage. Blood would always still be the gold standard - but who knows, maybe it could pick up a high-confidence identification simply through contact.

      Where's your privacy now? The ease of perpetrating privacy abuses given the modern internet is just the tip of the iceberg. Globalization transitioned from trade practices to information exchange - I can send a packet around the world three times in a fraction a second, and that makes the world a very small place indeed. Data combined is exponentially more informing, and the amount of information you leave scattered around without realizing it just by existing in the modern technologically-augmented social sphere is already massive. In coming years, the difficulty of obtaining an increasing amounts of information which are increasingly invasive is going to drop to nothing. Without active privacy protections with a lot of force behind them, the resulting situation will probably make GATTACA look extremely naive.

    11. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by icebike · · Score: 1

      Simply sequencing a gene is a far cry from matching.

      If anything this leads to a whole raft of kitchen table scientists making ridiculous claims of paternity or crimes based on the assumption that because there exists a fast cheep tool to do part of the job, suddenly everyone is Horatio Cane.

      YEEAAAAAAAHHHHHH!
       

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      Sig Battery depleted. Reverting to safe mode.
    12. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by kurokame · · Score: 1

      Forgery is almost trivial, particularly when many people assume it's impossible. I can already hop online and order an arbitrary genetic sequence for delivery. Normally, this is used to create short sequences for insertion into a larger genetic strand, but the same tech would let a patient researcher forge an arbitrary DNA sequence under any conceivable test.

    13. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by alexborges · · Score: 1

      Add big cloud of computers and a cheap 100MBPS line and you can match in two secconds against a database.... or how many megabytes does a genome take? I dont think too many. I think its already well compressed.

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    14. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by alexborges · · Score: 2

      He may be an unwanted normal guy that does not want to be tracked by beaurocrats.

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      NO SIG
    15. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      You're very flexible.

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    16. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      DNA can be produced from sequence data, but it's very expensive. Only short strands can be manufacturered entirely artificially - yeast cells are then used to join them.

      I have thought this could be a nifty way to get access to the DNA of long-extinct species though. You don't need a good tissue sample: Just take some old piece that's been degrading for centuries, and sequence it a thousand times. All those different sequences will be corrupt, but not in the same way, so with a bit of computing power you could reconstruct the original. Maybe one day it'll be possible to do a Jurassic Park with it. Dinos are too old, but how about a zoo with dodos?

    17. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Three billion base pairs, two bits per pair, four pairs per byte... About 750 megabytes.

    18. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 2

      not entirely correct; the short strands can be up to 100 bases long (although caruthers has just published new chemistry for longer stuff) but you can make lots of them, so assembling (done in e coli, not yeast) something that is upto a few thousand bp long is pretty standard
      however, assembling a mammalian genome is way beyond curren technology, for lots of reasons (you have to get the DNA into the cell, packaged into chromatin, etc)

    19. Re:GATTACA Here we Come by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      Don't need to check the whole thing though. Could use something like a checksum. Or just check 1 random MB at a time...

  3. let's hope by atfrase · · Score: 1

    Let's hope we heed the warnings of sci-fi.

    1. Re:let's hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God I hope so. The sooner we can start weeding out the deGenerates the better.

    2. Re:let's hope by asadodetira · · Score: 1

      Go figure: My main complaint about the movie was that ultrafast DNA analysis was unrealistic. What's next?. A device that transmits the sound of explosions in space?

    3. Re:let's hope by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Because I always go to Hollywood for policy advice! It must be the tremendous respect they show for the truth.

    4. Re:let's hope by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know what they say... In Space, no one can hear you complain about Science Fiction.

    5. Re:let's hope by gilleain · · Score: 2

      Go figure: My main complaint about the movie was that ultrafast DNA analysis was unrealistic. What's next?. A device that transmits the sound of explosions in space?

      The worst part was when they get their DNA analysis results, and its like several sheets of "GAGATTATATGAGAGATAGAGATAG...". Firstly, it would be more like several telephone directories, or perhaps just a list of single mutations. Secondly, it would be meaningless without some extra analysis on top (annotations, basically) even to a geneticist.

    6. Re:let's hope by jargon82 · · Score: 2

      Don't basement-dwelling virgins weed themselves out of the gene pool?

    7. Re:let's hope by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      I'm going to have a Kinkos print this GCTA crap from my genome into a big holy book for everyone to study once I get around to setting up that religion where everyone worships me which is going to be after they set up an app to read your genome with a smartphone. I'm hoping to have it start with the book of AAAAAA.

    8. Re:let's hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fun Fact: The DNA helix used on the box art is left handed rather than our typical right handed B-DNA.

    9. Re:let's hope by Bitmanhome · · Score: 1

      No they don't, because they're still being born.

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    10. Re:let's hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GAGAAGTAGAGATGAG

      FBI guy "wait i saw GTA there, STOP THAT MAN HE HAS GTA"

      GTA: DNA SEQUENCE

  4. CSI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If they can build those in bulk, the CSI episodes are becoming much more realistic

    1. Re:CSI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, I'm sure CSI will find another way to stretch credulity.

  5. Bert & Ernie? by jfengel · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't get too enthused about a prototype of something that might one day lead to another prototype, "up to ten years away".

    But the article in the sidebar titled "Breakthrough raises possibility of genetic children for same-sex couples" is at least amusingly illustrated with a picture of Bert and Ernie.

  6. Re:sci-fi by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    "Warning?"

    That's an instructional video!

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  7. Yeah, any time now by osgeek · · Score: 1

    have just announced the development of a prototype device that could lead to technology capable of

    The prototype could lead to technology, which could lead to discoveries that could lead to clues that could lead to a one-armed man who could lead to some funding...

    What problem were we trying solve again?

    I hate over-hyped article titles and summaries.

  8. The ACTUAL research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I hate scientific journalism. "New tech promises cheap gene sequencing in minutes" is complete bullshit. When I read interesting news on scientific research, I try to track down the actual research to compare. Usually what's in the media is something like "SCIENTISTS ONE YEAR AWAY FROM CURING CANCER!!!" and the research reads "Behavior of protein XYZ under high pH"

      For those of us here that actually care about this kind of stuff, here is the real information: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/nl103873a

  9. Article citation by brteag00 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It drives me nuts when the popular media article doesn't include a citation back to the original research. Here's a link to the article on the Nano Letters website: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/nl103873a

    1. Re:Article citation by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1, Funny

      OK, Take a Popsicle stick, scrape it inside your cheek and send the DNA sample to them. They will analyze your DNA and tell you the source of the "anxiety about source less news story syndrome". Hurry, if you are the first, they will name the disease after you.

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    2. Re:Article citation by drooling-dog · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... My quick scan of this failed to turn up any mention of progress toward differentiating between the 4 bases (A,C,G,T) as the DNA strand exits the pore. That's going to be quite a challenge, especially with unlabeled DNA, but it's pretty fundamental to this being used directly for sequencing. Looks like it might be great for fragment sizing in the shorter term, though.

    3. Re:Article citation by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2
      Thanks for the citation. The most striking thing about the device is that it is non destructive and is reading one DNA/RNA strand at a time one base pair at a time. When you have that level of non destructive access, we could do manipulation at base pair level. Initial break through would be in cutting out the head or tail of a strand by ramping up the tunneling to cut the strand. Then at some point they could come up with devices to snipe out a section of DNA out or splicing DNA from two different strands. At that point we might see genetic engg snipping out a gene from one organism and insert it into another organism.

      It is scary.

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    4. Re:Article citation by brteag00 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the article just talks about the fabrication and characterization of the nanopores, and demonstrates that they can detect the translocation of single nucleotide pairs. If they had actually been able to identify the nucleotides, it would published somewhere bigger than Nano Letters.

    5. Re:Article citation by brteag00 · · Score: 1

      It's a constant old-media gripe of mine. They linked back to the Nano Letters front page - how much harder would it have been to link straight to the article?

    6. Re:Article citation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should read up a standard molecular biology textbook. Taking out genes from one organism and putting it into another is standard for mice and plants since 15 years.

    7. Re:Article citation by Shirakawasuna · · Score: 2

      Not sure which part of that is scary. I did that yesterday, just not with a nanopore machine.

    8. Re:Article citation by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      A nano-splicer wouldn't be revolutionary, though I imagine it might be able to reduce the time required a bit compared to the current enzyme approach.

    9. Re:Article citation by drooling-dog · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, fragment sizing is exactly how traditional Sanger sequencing is done. If you could use this to rapidly size a sufficient sample of fragments from each of the four sequencing reactions -- instead of waiting for them to separate electrophoretically -- it could still be quite useful.

  10. Sounds plausible. by chemicaldave · · Score: 3, Informative
    FTFA

    At the heart of the Imperial College device is a silicon chip, with a 50-nanometer nanopore bored through it. DNA strands are propelled at high speed through this hole, and get their coding sequence read by a “tunneling electrode junction” as they come out the other side. This junction consists of a 2-nanometer gap between two platinum wires, with an electrical current passing between them, across the gap. The current interacts with the unique electrical signal given off by each of the DNA strand’s base codes, and the resulting data is then processed by a computer to determine the complete genome sequence. The chips are reportedly quite durable, standing up to repeated uses and washings with no loss in performance.

    Doesn't sound too outrageous. I suppose this is one advantage of only two base pairs.

    1. Re:Sounds plausible. by Zouden · · Score: 1

      Four base pairs.

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    2. Re:Sounds plausible. by chemicaldave · · Score: 1

      I thought there were four bases that made two pairs. Or does their orientation count? Or am I completely forgetting my high-school biology?

    3. Re:Sounds plausible. by Zouden · · Score: 2

      Yes, the orientation counts because the pairing is (temporarily) broken when the DNA is read by the cell. Only one strand is read.

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    4. Re:Sounds plausible. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Orientation does indeed count.

      http://www-jmg.ch.cam.ac.uk/tools/magnus/molecules/nucleic/dna1.jpg

      Look closely. Notice assymetric. One of the helixes is not like the other.

  11. NOT gay by snookerhog · · Score: 1, Insightful

    they are not gay! otherwise Bert would have been in the tub with Ernie instead of the duck.

    1. Re:NOT gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they are not gay! otherwise Bert would have been in the tub with Ernie instead of the duck.

      Maybe it was a duck costume. Gay *furries*, then.

    2. Re:NOT gay by d'fim · · Score: 1, Funny

      The duck was male and so was the other duck with Bert in the bedroom and besides it's none of your business what gay couple they swapped partners with anyways.

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      Adherence to the truth is a form of disloyalty.
    3. Re:NOT gay by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      ... the other duck with Bert in the bedroom...

      That was no duck! That was Big Bird! And, now, Bert knows why he's called "Big".

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  12. CSI: Genome by lordmage · · Score: 1

    Dr. OneEye: "We have a match on the Genome of the DNA we found and its a HUMAN"

    Detective BRassBalls: "How did you find it that fast?"

    Dr. OneEye: "With this new Instant Genome from As Seen on TV". "We can solve cases in minutes instead of 40 minutes with commercials and it only cost 19.95 with S&H".

    Detective BRassBalls: "You total NERD. Do you know what you have done?"

    Dr. OneEye: "No What?"

    ---- Later ----

    Detective BRassBalls: "Now we solve cases in 5 minutes with 55 minutes worth of commercials and make 1/10th the pay we once did"

    Dr OneEye, just learning his pay cut, just stares into nothingness and you hear the Instant Genome whirring in the background....

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  13. I'm sorry- gravity by way2trivial · · Score: 2

    as in, every time- no matter how bad the power situation ever is, especially when 'shutting down to be electronically insignificant to detection' artificial gravity is always a constant.

    Millenium Falcon, Jetstar 1, enterprise, firelfy, pigs in space, hitchikers, galactica, dr. who, farscape, stargate atlantis & Universe, starship troopers, tripping the rift....

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    1. Re:I'm sorry- gravity by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Artificial gravity is never even different on alien spaceships where the alien planet probably had different gravity...

    2. Re:I'm sorry- gravity by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Babylon 5?

    3. Re:I'm sorry- gravity by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Partial: Areas of different gravity were spoken of, but no scene was ever shown on a non-earth-gravity station, ship or planet. Fighter ships cleverly avoided a problem by strapping the pilot into a harness tight enough that it's impossible to tell from image alone if they were experiencing gravity or not.

  14. Minutes? by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    The first one was also done in 'minutes', 1,051,897 of them.

  15. Moore's Law of DNA by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ignoring any one specific advance in technology, the cost per base pair of sequencing DNA has dropping exponentially. The cost to sequence an entire human genome has gone from billions of dollars in 1990 to about $40,000 in 2010. By 2015, it will probably cross the $1000 barrier.

    By 2020, it will likely be under $100 - at which point it might as well be a standard part of a person's medical file.

    By 2030, it could under $1 - amateur biologists could start collecting genomes like poleroids while hiking.

    By 2040, it could be a fraction of penny - cough on a sensor, get a readout of all the microbes in your lungs, what strain they are and, by looking at the specific mutations between generations and comparing to a database of everyone else's microbes, the likely person who infected you.

    1. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by swb · · Score: 0

      By 2040, oil will be, what, $500 a barrel -- if there's any "open" market at all and its not all locked up as part of a handful of nations' strategic military reserves.

      Meaning the machine will be so ridiculously expensive to make due to even small dependencies on oil & oil-based products that it will never get built.

    2. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by brteag00 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I don't argue that the cost-per-base of sequence is dropping dramatically - but comparing the output of an Illumina sequencer (the tens-of-thousands of dollars pricepoint) to the Human Genome Project is misleading. The reason the HGP cost so much is the quality of the reference sequence they produced - the so-called Bermuda standard, of one error in 10,000 bases. The HGP researchers assembled all those individual sequence reads into an almost unbroken reference of astounding quality and utility.

      In comparison, the sequence data people are producing today is crap. The individual reads are 30-80 base pairs and get put together into contiguous runs of only several thousand bases of length, on average. This is good for some kinds of work, but it doesn't give nearly the same picture of the genome that made the original human genome sequence such a masterpiece.

      (I'm a genomics grad student. Can you tell?)

    3. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Oil is what $50/barrel or not far off? Going to $500 is a 10fold increase. Multiplying GP's numbers by 10 doesn't make the huge change that you claim.

    4. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 0

      Energy remains constant at about 10x the minimum wage per "barrel of oil" worth of energy.

      There are many alternatives waiting to come on line at 12x the minimum wage. Some of them are dropping in cost.

      If it is $500 a barrel in 2050, then the minimum wage would be $125 an hour.

      Energy costs have roughly doubled since the mid 80's.

      At current rates (~$8->$16->$32), $32 is a likely rate so a likely cost would be ~$300 a barrel.
      That also fits using oil costs ($80->$160->$320).

      Any time oil gets too expensive, there are tons of natural gas, solar, nuclear, plants waiting to come to market.

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    5. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (I'm not a genomics grade student)

      For all I know, you could be making this crap up. You might even work for the Illumina sequencer company.

    6. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by east+coast · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      90 USD/barrel today.

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    7. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by Plekto · · Score: 1

      One step closer to the technological singularity.

    8. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by RandCraw · · Score: 2

      Make that $1000 for a genome NEXT year, not 2015. The current cost for a genome (at maybe 5x ocersample) from the Beijing Genomics Institute is about $5000 in bulk, and dropping fast. Speed, reagent cost, oversampling, and completeness (e.g. over 95%) are all improving at super linear rates.

      For more, read "The $1000 Genome", printed in mid-2010. It makes clear that gene sequencing technology is The Next Big Thing, and imminent. The question that remains is, how useful will the info prove to be until tech like gene therapy is workable. For now, genomic data is almost entirely a novelty -- mostly good for entertainment value.

    9. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by gringer · · Score: 1

      For now, genomic data is almost entirely a novelty -- mostly good for entertainment value.

      I suspect that it'll get cost-effective for drug companies a bit before it becomes popular for the general public. 'Sequence once, test for ever' is quite an attractive proposition.

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    10. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by SuricouRaven · · Score: 0

      I imagine a lot of those oil-based products can be done without. Remember there was a time when even electronics came in wooden enclosures. Substitutes would be needed for insulation, component packaging, etc... but it's doable. Natural rubber is not derived from oil, and gets you half way there already. Just need to mix in the right additives.

    11. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I imagine a whole lot more attractive to insurance companies - thus the attempts to prohibit the practice before it even comes into use. There are already fears of a future where some people are uninsurable due to genetic predispositions that no insurance company wants to risk playing out.

    12. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by ignavus · · Score: 1

      Ignoring any one specific advance in technology, the cost per base pair of sequencing DNA has dropping exponentially. The cost to sequence an entire human genome has gone from billions of dollars in 1990 to about $40,000 in 2010. By 2015, it will probably cross the $1000 barrier.

      By 2020, it will likely be under $100 - at which point it might as well be a standard part of a person's medical file.

      By 2030, it could under $1 - amateur biologists could start collecting genomes like poleroids while hiking.

      By 2040, it could be a fraction of penny - cough on a sensor, get a readout of all the microbes in your lungs, what strain they are and, by looking at the specific mutations between generations and comparing to a database of everyone else's microbes, the likely person who infected you.

      So when will it become an iPhone and Android app?

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    13. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The parent post is really unclear and I can't figure out what relation the numbers have to each other.

      In particular, it seems like whatever analysis you have that I can't understand fully relies on a direct correlation between minimum wage and the price of a barrel of oil, which I'm pretty sure has never been written into any laws in any country, nor is the local minimum wage used as a pricing guideline by any oil companies. In any case, the price of a barrel of oil is RIGHT NOW more than 12x the federal minimum wage in the U.S. so bring on the alternatives!

      Is the parent poster a Markov chain algorithm? That's almost the only way I can figure that this makes any sense.

    14. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Jeez.

      Look at minimum wage in the 80's.

      Look at the price of oil in the 80's.

      Look at the price of electicity in the 80's.

      Now, look at those today.

      Project into the future.

      Oil over $320ish a barrel in 2050 is unlikely unless we get a period of hyper inflation.

      30 year bonds are predicting a 4% to 5% expected annual 30 year inflation rate.

      Rule of 72 ... 72/5 = 14ish, 72/4 = 18. Every 14 to 18 years we get a double in prices, wages, costs, etc.

      Does anyone bother to look at salaries, costs in the 80's, 70's, 60's, 50's?

      Saying oil will be $500 a barrel conflates that against today's wages. Arguing $320 vs $500 is just a difference of degree.

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    15. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by Beezlebub33 · · Score: 1

      That doesn't make any sense. The economic viability of many different energy sources (which in turn can be used to make plastics) occurs when oil reaches $100 / barrel. At $200 / barrel, there's lot of different sources, and at $400, almost anything will be cheaper.

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    16. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fning hell- the human genome that cost billions was SEQUENCED. The rest were RESEQUENCED. Surely slashdot readers can grasp this simple distinction. The cost of resequencing has dropped- as has the amount if the genome that is accessible to resequencing. It drives me crazy that resequencing now equals sequencing, they are completely different levels of cost and complexity.

    17. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by gringer · · Score: 1

      Everyone has a few hidden DNA defects that would severely impact their health if ever triggered. If insurance companies took this at face value, no one would be insured, and they'd be out of business — a silly position for the companies to take. I would expect that it'd just be factored into their risk analysis, which already includes things with a high heritability (like family history of particular diseases).

      I don't think it's a good idea to give an insurance company your entire genome sequence, but I think fears about that particular situation are somewhat unfounded.

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    18. Re:Moore's Law of DNA by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      In case it's not perfectly clear.. Coca Cola which was 20 cents retail back in the 80's then 50 cents and now 75 cents (huh... 20->40->80 basically) is going to be 1.50 a can in 14 to 18 years and about 3.00 a can in 2050. A nice $100,000 six figure job salary will be $400,000. And have the SAME purchasing power as today.

      Some things, like TV's and Computers may drop in price due to improvements in technology and transition from custom product to mass market commodity.
      Houses may not keep up since they inflated dramatically during an extended period of 1% interest.

      Even oil being $500 a barrel in 2050 is basically the same as oil being $125 today. It was $147 briefly during the summer a couple years ago. It wasn't sustainable- it took massive manipulation to get it to $147.

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  16. That much progress in only 3 years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At that rate maybe I will be able to order my cat-girl sex-slave by 2016!

  17. 1 MILLION Dollars! Bwahhh haaa haaa by Fibe-Piper · · Score: 1

    2 years @ $500,000 a year doesn't sound like a lot. In fact it sounds completely implausable for something as valuable as the results they produced. Maybe in the 50's or something.

    I wonder how they came up with that figure? I imagine the lab + scientists alone cost that much to outfit and rent; not to mention lawyers and research assistants

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    1. Re:1 MILLION Dollars! Bwahhh haaa haaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      whats missing is all the RnD to get their
      Like, it costs a billion bucks, give or take, to build a new intel fab plant, but they sell an individual cpu chip for 100 - 1000 order of mag
      So, you are right, this is sort of a reagents +salary cost
      In any event, it is way, way outdated - the newest instruments like the illumina Hiseq gets a genome for 100K (I think)

      However, you really have to ask what is a "complete genome" even today, there are large stretches (sub telomeric repeats, cnetromeres, etc) that are un sequenced
      Also we don't ahve good epigenomics (cytosine methylation)

  18. Not a very useful comparison by glwtta · · Score: 3, Informative

    By contrast, when sequencing of the genome of Dr. James Watson (co-discoverer of the structure of DNA) was completed in 2007, it had taken two years and cost US$1 million.

    Yeah, but nowadays it can be done in a few hours and costs under $10,000. May as well say that the Human Genome Project took 13 years and cost $3 billion - true, but not very relevant.

    And we're well on-track for sub-$1,000 genomes in a year or two (without any new breakthrough technologies); which is basically "good enough" for research purposes. As Lincoln Stein pointed out in a recent paper, we're already almost at the point where it costs less to sequence a base pair than it does to store it for computational analysis.

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    1. Re:Not a very useful comparison by Arcquist · · Score: 1

      I seem to remember looking into this a while ago and the human genome isn't really as big as I thought it was. According to this nature page there are 3.4 billion base pairs and since each is only one of 4 values it takes 2-bits per base pair to encode so the entire genome is only 850,000,000 bytes which is 810.6MB (1,048,576 bytes/MB). I don't know about you but the cost to 'store' this in my mind is essentially nothing. There are a ton of places on the web that will easily offer 1GB of storage for free, 1GB USB sticks are frequently given away and if you buy a current HD (non-SSD) the cost of 1GB is less than $0.15.

      I welcome the day when sequencing a genome costs less than $0.15...

    2. Re:Not a very useful comparison by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't need even that much: almost all of it's the same in every human. All you need to do is agree on a single 'reference human,' and then store genomes as the difference between this reference and the individual. The reference would be 800-ish meg, but after that each person will only be a couple of megabytes extra.

    3. Re:Not a very useful comparison by RDW · · Score: 2

      '...the entire genome is only 850,000,000 bytes which is 810.6MB'

      That's about right - the reference assembly from UCSC is 778Mb in their standard .2bit format. That's just a single sequence for each autosomal chromosome plus one each of X and Y, though - you'll need to allow about double that to store your full dipoid genome, so better buy a 2Gb flash drive. On the other hand, if you take the reference sequence as a given and only store the differences between it and yours, you only need about 4Mb!:

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18996942

      But raw sequence data is a different matter. To call each base confidently everything has to be sequenced multiple times (it's normal to go for something like 40x coverage on an Illumina machine). And you'll probably have to deal with the files as uncompressed ascii text (or gzip/bz2 at best). When you start analysing the data, you'll need a lot more space to store the alignments to the reference sequence, and you'll need some reasonable computing power to do the processing (which may well take longer than generating the data).

    4. Re:Not a very useful comparison by glwtta · · Score: 2

      so the entire genome is only 850,000,000 bytes which is 810.6MB

      You'd have to include the sequencing data, not just the final call: a single Solexa run generates about 1TB of data (if memory serves) and you need a couple of those for a full human genome at some reasonable coverage.

      And it was sort of implied that you're doing something useful with the data, not just sticking it on a thumb drive, which means (relatively) expensive SAN disk space, which is still in the dollars per GB area (including backup costs). The paper I mentioned was making the case for using "cloud" computing for genomic data, so it's very much about these day-to-day operational costs, not abstract "how much sequence can I fit on a floppy" type questions.

      Of course at this point sequencing is still more expensive than storage (by about 1000x, given the above numbers), the paper was just pointing out the trend that, while storage costs have been following Moore's law for a few decades now, over the last 6 years sequencing cost has been dropping by half every 5 months. Obviously that's unlikely to hold long-term, it's just a cute extrapolation.

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    5. Re:Not a very useful comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nowadays it can't be done in hours. Even a poor quality resequencing with poor quality and completeness takes weeks- not to mention to mention reconstructing an actual sequence based on the reference is a non trivial computational task. Resequencing a human will never cost $1. It cost 10x as much for me to type this comment. Just the sampling, much less the DNA isolation will cost 100x that. Think of the last time you had a blood test for a trivial antibody. The test might have only cost $27- wait how come avtrivisl antibody test costs $27, surely this should cost $0.003 - anyway it cost $89 to draw the blood. Now compare it to resequencing 6B base pairs.

  19. Other advantages! by serutan · · Score: 1

    No more long lines at the gene sequencing place!
    No more frantically pulling everything out of the glove compartment looking for $1 million in change.
    - sigh, that's all I got

  20. This means daddy-O-matic appliances by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DNA Sequencer Vending machines in convenience stores ?

      Son, let's go to buy some candy.....

  21. A book without punctuation by clyde_cadiddlehopper · · Score: 1

    The base pair sequence is nice, yet there is much more to gene expression than that. Two cloned cats can look and act remarkably differently. In embryology, it is known that the same gene can act differently depending on the timing and circumstances of that gene's activation. So bravo for cheap fast sequences, but we will need to know more about gene expression for genomics to bring big changes to medicine.

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  22. crowdsourcing your genome by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Last weeks issue of Nature mentions gene hackers who study newly posted human genomes for interesting DNA. We are somewhere in the "third decade" of sequenced human genomes- that is between 100 and 1000 fully sequenced genomes published so far. There are interesting things remaining to be discovered in this huge mass of data.

  23. No one has shown nanopore sequencing works yet by structural_biologist · · Score: 1

    Here's a small detail that the article leaves for the last paragraph:

    “The next step will be to differentiate between different DNA samples and, ultimately, between individual bases within the DNA strand,” said study co-author Dr. Tim Albrecht. “I think we know the way forward, but it is a challenging project and we have to make many more incremental steps before our vision can be realized.”

    In other words, they can zip DNA through this device quickly and measure some signal as the DNA passes through, but no one knows yet whether it is possible to extract accurate sequence information from the signal they get. Similar implementations (that admittedly have a less sensitive way of getting a signal from the different DNA bases) have so far failed to see significant enough differences between the DNA bases to be useful for sequencing. It's not clear that this method will work as advertised

  24. Method inferior to others by vsage3 · · Score: 1

    Nanopore sequencing has been around for at least a decade in the lab. They admit that their method of using tunnel junctions to detect the DNA cannot even distinguish between different base pairs.

    For background, here's the basic idea of a classical nanopore sequencer:

    1. Make a solution with ions in it with a very thin membrane separating two different compartments each containing an electrode. The membrane has a very tiny hole (nanopore)

    2. Apply a voltage. This will either attract or repel the salt ions, thus you get a detectable current passing through the nanopore.

    3. Put DNA in the solution. The hole is hopefully small enough that the DNA can only go through as if stranded like thread through a needle. As the different base pairs move through, they block up varying amounts of the hole, manifesting as small changes in resistance across the hole.

    4. Profit

    The only real limiter is how thin you can make the membrane. Recently, some researchers used graphene, which is thinner than your average base pair, and so you do not get a resistance that is the convolution of many base pairs blocking up the pore at any given time. For more, google "Dekker DNA translocation through graphene nanopores" to see that they can already detect single pairs - and do it thousands of times a second.

  25. Playing catch-up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pacific Biosciences is already on the market with single-molecule sequencing.

    http://www.pacificbiosciences.com/

  26. Personal Genome Machine by gourneau · · Score: 1

    Keep your eye out for Ion Torrent's Personal Genome machine. Reviewed on the same site http://www.gizmag.com/ion-torrent-personal-genome-machine-launched/17330/

  27. correct citation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think this is the right paper for those who want to check it out, if you have the super $$ sub to this journal

    Letter
    DNA Tunneling Detector Embedded in a Nanopore

    Aleksandar P. Ivanov, Emanuele Instuli, Catriona M. McGilvery, Geoff Baldwin, David W. McComb, Tim Albrecht*, and Joshua B. Edel*
      Department of Chemistry
      Department of Materials
      Division of Molecular Biosciences
    Imperial College London, Exhibition Road, London SW7 2AZ, U.K.
    Nano Lett., Article ASAP
    DOI: 10.1021/nl103873a
    Publication Date (Web): December 6, 2010
    Copyright © 2010 American Chemical Society

  28. what is new here by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 1

    Membrane - very thin sheet or plate
    Pore - a small hole in the sheet
    current - ions (atoms such as sodium or chloride) per second; in a salt solution, current is carried between the electrodes (usually Platinum wire, or graphite) thru the liquid by ions; these ions have a size of roughly 1 angstrom, so they are, compared to electrons, really big.
    when we measure the current, we are simply measuring the number of ions/second going thru the pore; if the pore has ~ the size of a DNA moleucle, then it seems obvious tht when the DNA fills the pore; fewer ions can go thru, so the current will drop
    As the authors state (editied)
    In a typical nanopore experiment, biological molecules are ..driven through a nanopore by an electric field. This results in a drop of the current across the pore. From this, information on molecular properties such as length, composition can be extracted. With DNA, it may be possilbe to get seq data Unfortunately, the state-of-the-art detection based on ionic current blockade or fluorescence spectroscopy seems to lack the spatial and temporal resolution necessary to obtain structural information at the single base level. An alternative method based on tunneling perpendicular to the DNA backbone has been proposed to alleviate these limitations. Due to its quantum mechanical origin, the tunneling current decays rapidly with distance leading to enhanced spatial resolution and better molecular specificity (ability to tell which base is moving thru the pore)

  29. Wikileaks Task Force??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wikileaks Task Force!?!?! (WTF!?!?!) I saw the 5th element on TV a few months ago (saw it in theatre years ago), and they sequence an entire person (a superbeing actually) in less than 3 minutes! Mind you, its perhaps a bit like the computer tech I see on NCIS where every NP-hard problem is resolved in less than 10 seconds, and you can super-zoom-in on the most crappiest video and make it look like ultra-high-definition! K3W3L! Where's my youtube super-ultra-high-definition booster program! Anyway, I saw them do it in less than 3 minutes, the whole body, from only 2 or 3 cells. I saw it in the movies, so it must be true! Now these folk claim to be able to just read the DNA in a few days? Pfffft. Thats not like the movie I saw! ..seriously (finally), this is amazing work! Kudos to the whole Imperial College team!

  30. Fact checking please! by bradbury · · Score: 1

    According to [1] the cost of sequencing Watson's genome in 2007 was $2 million, not $1 million! Costs of the "original" genome sequences are often misquoted as well as $3 billion when that was the cost of the entire HGP which included the yeast genomes, the mouse genome and the development of a lot of technology that enable the sequencing of larger genomes. For an estimate of the actual cost of sequencing the original genomes (circa 2001-2003) a better source of information is the total amount of capital Celera raised from the late 1990s through 2003. Alternatively one could go through the NIH NHCGR budgets for the late 90's thru 2003 and separate out the grants actually awarded to the primary genome sequencing centers related to human genome sequencing. I believe the "common" number quoted for the first human genome is around $1 billion (~30% of the cost of the entire HGP), but I suspect that Celera never raised that much money so the real 1st & 2nd genome costs were probably less.

    But it is clear that in the last 7 years the cost of sequencing a genome has declined by more than 5 orders of magnitude and that another order of magnitude will bring personal genome sequencing into budget realm (~$500) of individuals living in developed countries. However the fly in the ointment here is that there is currently little capability and will be little capability for some time [2] for using this information in medical settings to improve health care or reduce sickness, disease and aging.

    Most people think that just because one sees reports on CNN that one can diagnose predispositions for breast or colon cancer that we are on the verge of curing all diseases. Not! The only way we will solve the primary problem driving our health care costs (aging) is by recognizing that the genome architecture is fundamentally flawed and the only way to solve the problem is to design a new more robust and reliable genomes. This can be done now. It could probably even have been started a decade ago [3]. Sure it will not be simple -- but neither was learning how to build automobiles or airplanes or rockets. But it is time that people start about transcending the current human OS just as Chromium OS will likely trump Windows and Linux and they in turn trumped VMS, UNIX, MVS, etc.

    1. http://www.technologyreview.com/biotech/18809/
    2. Scientists have not even begun to think about the "systems biology of specific human genomes" (vs. the systems biology of the "generic" human genome) and except for exceptional cases where defective genes have been directly tied to diseases in OMIM the information required is lacking and will only slowly accumulate through long term correlation studies. The only "short-cut" is to do full scale molecular dynamics simulations of all of the atoms in single eukaryotic cells (and then tissues, organs and bodies) and our largest supercomputers are still many orders of magnitude away from having that capability.
    3. There will be people who claim designing a cellular OS is impossible until we completely understand how it works. I would argue that writing a program that prints "Hello World" seems difficult to people who don't understand programming or computers but is pretty simple to people who have been taught basic computer skills without the requirement of having to know assembly language or do arithmetic in binary numbers. There is also the problem that in designing cellular operating systems one is playing "God" -- so you will not see politicians touching this "third rail". Thus the demand and support has to come from private individuals or foundations who recognize that this is simply the logical and "right" thing to do.

  31. Kinda premature, dontcha think? by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1

    If you read TFA, it turns out what they have done so far is drill a tiny hole.

        Everything else is still TBD. Things like:

    (1) Figuring out how to get a thread of DNA to enter the hole.

    (2) Figuring out how to push it through the hole.

    (3) Figuring out how to read the bases, which are electrically equivalent and somewhat shielded by the phosphorous backbones..

    (4) Figuring how to keep DNA and other crud from getting wedged in this nanometer-width hole.

    Somehow I think they're doing this all backwards-- doing the trivial part first and announcing what at first glance appears to be total success.