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London Stock Exchange Tackles System Problem

DMandPenfold writes "The London Stock Exchange has taken steps to resolve a system problem that occurred at 4.30pm Tuesday, which saw a delay to the start of the closing auction and knocked out automatic trades during a 42 second period. The problem occurred a day after the high profile launch of its new matching engine on the main equities market, based on the SUSE Linux system from Novell."

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  1. First posters are lame by VMSBIGOT · · Score: 1

    So, they replaced a C#/.NET infrastructure with C++/Linux and apparently didn’t test it? Now, I’m not the systems engineer involved with this, but I have a hard time believing that something like this didn’t come up in testing.

    At least now they have the ultimate answer, now they just need to work on the ultimate question.

    1. Re:First posters are lame by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No test can ever be a 100% accurate representation or real use.
      It's probably somewhere in the 0.1% mismatch where this problem occurred.

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    2. Re:First posters are lame by michelcolman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I were to introduce a new trading system like that, I would probably run it in parallel with the old system for a couple of months, feeding it the same data and checking the results. I can't imagine them just doing some offline tests and then throwing the switch and hope for the best? Surely not?

    3. Re:First posters are lame by pieterh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This works for a component with one set of inputs and one set of outputs.

      A trading system is essentially chaotic in the way it processes data because it gets so many inputs and their relative arrival times determine the system's behavior. You'd have to be replacing the old system with an identical new one, and then add heavy and slow synchronization to all the inputs going to both systems (so e.g. a trade A hitting the old system one microsecond before trade B also hits the new system the same way).

      So yes, it comes down to running a whole lot of offline tests using real data and then bringing it online.

    4. Re:First posters are lame by iserlohn · · Score: 4, Informative

      The system has been online since the middle of last year. Nice for you to drop by and dish out out your golden nuggets of wisdom tough.

    5. Re:First posters are lame by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      I did add a "surely not" at the end, didn't I?

    6. Re:First posters are lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The summary is even lamer. It didn't knock out any trading. What happened is that the closing auction announcement was delayed by 42 seconds. Normally any trades submitted prior to the announcement get ignored. However, in this case I'll quote from the article:

      LSE traders are required to wait for the message before trading. Normally auction trade instructions sent before the message would not complete, however because of the surprise delay, on this occasion order book trades were allowed to complete later.

      So, no outage, no downtime, no lost trades.

    7. Re:First posters are lame by hattig · · Score: 1

      So, no outage, no downtime, no lost trades.

      So everything worked fine even when an unforeseen issue occurred and this should be seen as a glowing endorsement of the system that is in place now?

    8. Re:First posters are lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Oh sorry, I didn't see your get out-out-of-being-a-douche-free card.

    9. Re:First posters are lame by michelcolman · · Score: 0

      What's a "get out-out-of-being-a-douche-free card"?

    10. Re:First posters are lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your mom

    11. Re:First posters are lame by jrumney · · Score: 1

      They have been running it in parallel since at least October. Search for "LSE Turquoise bug" for all the past outages they've experienced. There's lots of talk about "human error", "suspicious circumstances" and "network problems", but noone seems to be pointing the finger at the software itself, which was thrown together in a few months by a previously unknown software development house in Sri Lanka which LSE bought outright for less than they pay Microsoft and Accenture every year for maintenance of the previous system.

    12. Re:First posters are lame by ThePhilips · · Score: 1

      Platform changes don't actually address the underlying issues of incompetent programmers to begin with. Platform changes just wash the bad taste of a now fired programmer out of your mouth when you replace them with someone else who works in a different environment.

      I would argue that in that particular case platform matters.

      Most modern platforms (C#/.Net, Java) encourage sloppy programming. (*) That works fine on desktops and even in corporate data centers, where minor problems can be brushed off, where excessive resource consumption can be mitigated by throwing in more hardware. But that isn't acceptable for customers like LSE, where even adding piece of dumb hardware might require exhausting test: to make sure that software works with more hardware and the extra hardware itself works without problems too.

      (*) Do not get me wrong. As developer, in general, I'm all for the sloppy coding practices, anything what makes life of developer easier.

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    13. Re:First posters are lame by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you'd like to compare it to the old system which shutdown trading for a whole day if not longer? I don't remember the specifics.

      A 42 second delay at the end of trading is nothing. I really don't understand why people hold this Linux platform to a much higher standard and overlook the poor performance of the previous system which was terrible.

    14. Re:First posters are lame by dave87656 · · Score: 1

      Had this been a Windows based system and it stopped for only 42 seconds it would have been hailed as high reliability. But you've got the Windows fanbois who can't wait to find an issue, any issue, please, with a Linux system.

      Remember the article a couple of weeks ago where there was an outage on the LSE while still running on the C# system? The article's title was something like LSE Outage during Linux test. Of course, the Linux test had nothing to do with it, but they had to find something.

    15. Re:First posters are lame by dave87656 · · Score: 1

      So, no outage, no downtime, no lost trades.

      It amazes me how quickly the press tries to make a big deal about a Linux outage that isn't even an outage. The Windows monopoly must be nervous.

    16. Re:First posters are lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > which was thrown together in a few months by a previously unknown software development house in Sri Lanka

      Millennium IT were not previously unknown, and their software was not thrown together in a few months. They already had a successful product, their matching engine was already running on a number of major exchanges, including the London Metal Exchange, when LSE bought them.

  2. Newsworthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why is this news? None of the several hour long outage calls I've been involved with were ever on the news.

    1. Re:Newsworthy? by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Why is this news? None of the several hour long outage calls I've been involved with were ever on the news.

      I'm afraid I can't remember what you said about the name of company you work for, can you please repeat it?

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    2. Re:Newsworthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why is this news? None of the several hour long outage calls I've been involved with were ever on the news.

      I'm afraid I can't remember what you said about the name of company you work for, can you please repeat it?

      One of the major exchanges in Chicago, as well as one one of the bigger global banks. Not a small firm.

      Besides, if Reuters or Currenex had this same issue for two hours, we STILL wouldn't hear about this.

    3. Re:Newsworthy? by c0lo · · Score: 2

      Why is this news? None of the several hour long outage calls I've been involved with were ever on the news.

      One of the major exchanges in Chicago, as well as one one of the bigger global banks. Not a small firm.

      Ah, I see... well, maybe it would be news-worthy, but... too pity there's too much noise coming from the open outcry trading in the pit... nobody hears about an outage and even during an outage the business goes as usual in that pit... everybody furiously shouting and gesticulating.
      (just kidding)

      Maybe it will help to compare the LSE trade-volume per day with the same for your workplace?

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    4. Re:Newsworthy? by DeBaas · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why is this news? None of the several hour long outage calls I've been involved with were ever on the news.

      Simple, when a Linux system has a 42 seconds outage that's news. When a windows systems has several hours outage, there is nothing new about.
      Odd that you didn't get that..

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    5. Re:Newsworthy? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1

      Why is this news? None of the several hour long outage calls I've been involved with were ever on the news.

      I'm afraid I can't remember what you said about the name of company you work for, can you please repeat it?

      One of the major exchanges in Chicago, as well as one one of the bigger global banks. Not a small firm.

      Besides, if Reuters or Currenex had this same issue for two hours, we STILL wouldn't hear about this.

      I can't answer why it is "news", but I can answer why it is on Slashdot. Over the past couple of years, Slashdot has increasingly posted stories that have flamebait as their primary feature and where it isn't intrinsic to the story, it is often editorialised to add a little prompting to get us all arguing. This has an ostensible Linux vs. MS angle hence qualifies to be featured prominently for the sake of the post-count boosting flamewars it could induce. I say "ostensibly" because in reality, any change over between two such large, complex and hyper-used systems will experience problems.

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    6. Re:Newsworthy? by Gruturo · · Score: 1

      Why is this news? None of the several hour long outage calls I've been involved with were ever on the news.

      Cause it's about Linux, it's News for nerds, stuff that matters (to us, at least).

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    7. Re:Newsworthy? by cbope · · Score: 1

      Actually, cue someone claiming that X millions of dollars or pounds were lost during that 42 seconds of downtime...

      It's all about trading speed these days, with milliseconds being critical. Not that I agree, because usually this means someone is gaming the system through automated computer-based trading systems. I would like to see a mandatory delay added to all trades to slow things a bit and let the market become more manageable, by you know, humans. After all, it's we, as humans, that are ultimately doing the trades. The problem is automated trading is too widely used and distorts the markets. I would even go out on a limb and say this was a major contributor to the markets crashing.

    8. Re:Newsworthy? by Americano · · Score: 1

      God, why won't this stupid meme die? "Inserting a mandatory delay" does NOTHING to solve the problem you're asserting it will. All it does is mean that it'll take $delay seconds after market open for high-speed / automated trading to begin hitting the exchange, and it will continue ALL DAY LONG until market close.

      This assertion that a delay would somehow make the market "manageable" for individual humans is like saying that making everybody wait in their driveway for 2 minutes before they begin their commute to work will somehow alleviate traffic jams.

    9. Re:Newsworthy? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Because those several hour long outages happened during the testing phase. From Monday the system went live, so outages are causing real problems now.

    10. Re:Newsworthy? by DrVxD · · Score: 1

      Cause it's about Linux

      It's also about 42

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    11. Re:Newsworthy? by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      I can't answer why it is "news", but I can answer why it is on Slashdot. Over the past couple of years, Slashdot has increasingly posted stories that have flamebait as their primary feature and where it isn't intrinsic to the story, it is often editorialised to add a little prompting to get us all arguing.

      It's all starting to make sense, now. The entity calling itself "CmdrTaco" is one of those energy beings from the Start Trek "Day of the Dove" episode, feeding on the strife it creates.

    12. Re:Newsworthy? by Gruturo · · Score: 1

      $delay won't solve squat as you point out, but rounding everything down to the nearest second might alleviate some issues. "All orders between 08:13:35.000 and 08:13:35.999 are considered simultaneous and will all be recorded as 08:13:35".

      With 1 second "tick" even a human player might have a chance vs computers! Cue Watson jokes.

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    13. Re:Newsworthy? by Americano · · Score: 1

      I guess I don't understand what problem you think this will solve, at all. "Treating them as simultaneous" doesn't change the fact that they're received in an order, and processed in a particular order. All you're going to do is invent a new mouse trap for the mice to engineer around - either they'll stuff the queue with more orders to try and increase the chances that some of their trades will be randomly selected to go first, or they'll figure out the delay and algorithm you're using to process orders, and game that.

      A "regular human player" who's trying to time trades in terms of seconds is not going to win. Computers are faster, and the amount of money required to build the trading systems and eke a profit out of arbitrage using these systems is not "stealing money" from anybody. They are making money in fractions of a penny per share per trade, and have to trade thousands of shares just to make a couple bucks. It's a game for institutional investors with deep pockets and a lot of patience. Normal humans are far better served buying and holding long-term investments based on the fundamentals of the stocks they're buying. The computers are trying to eke a profit out of normal intraday and cross-exchange fluctuations in prices. At the same time, they're providing additional liquidity to the market, and acting as a damping mechanism on that price volatility.

      Automated trading did not cause the meltdown in 2008. Automated trading did not cause the meltdown in 2001. What problem, exactly, are you trying to solve by introducing latency (and thus pricing & trade inefficiency) into the financial market, and what mechanism do you specifically expect that your solution will use to solve that problem?

    14. Re:Newsworthy? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1

      It's all starting to make sense, now. The entity calling itself "CmdrTaco" is one of those energy beings from the Start Trek "Day of the Dove" episode, feeding on the strife it creates.

      Or he gets ad revenues based on page hits, but yours is good too. ;)

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    15. Re:Newsworthy? by Vaphell · · Score: 1

      At the same time, they're providing additional liquidity to the market, and acting as a damping mechanism on that price volatility.

      that liquidity is fake and artificial. HFT algorithms trade the handful of shares back and forth to set trends, confuse competing algorithms and discover optimal prices triggering trades. Flash crash showed how great they are at providing liquidity and damping the price volatility.
      Introducing ticks would mean that there is less profit in cutting into a trade that would happen anyway. There would be no time to probe buyers and sellers with bogus transactions to discover their prices and use that knowledge against them to pocket the difference. Mere fractions of pennies per share certainly haven't prevented GS from getting over $100M of revenue on record DAYS.

    16. Re:Newsworthy? by Americano · · Score: 1

      Well, since it's fake AND artificial, I'm sure your point is completely valid.

      If all HFT algos were doing was passing the same set of shares back and forth, nobody would be making any money at it. But I'm sure you already knew that. They're buying shares that investors want to sell, and selling shares that investors want to buy. They make money off it... and if they weren't there offering to buy & sell those shares, the price would probably be different, or at least certainly more volatile, when the investors wanted to buy or sell a position.

      The "Flash Crash" wasn't caused by HFTs, though I know that's a popular meme which allows us to keep being angry at all those "fat cats" in their "business suits" on "Wall Street". It was triggered by a large mutual fund company deciding to sell an abnormally large number of E-mini contracts, which basically exhausted the pool of buyers for that instrument. This caused the prices to decline, and while it was *exacerbated* by algo trading shedding futures and real shares into a market where most buyers were already exhausted, it was not "caused" by the HFTs. The conditions would have existed for that sharp drop regardless of whether or not a computer was doing the trading.

      So, once again: How does adding latency to every trade do ANYTHING to solve this problem? We've had large, very long-lasting point swings long before computers and HFT algorithms were ever in existence. Given that everybody loves to point to the Flash Crash as "proof of the evil of HFTs," I'd suggest that if that singular example is all you can cite, then you're really not looking to "make the market more fair," you're simply looking to "keep somebody else from having something." If you had money invested before that event, and you didn't participate in the stupid short-term, short-sighted panic and sell everything at the bottom of the flash crash, you lost nothing, and your investments have grown in value since then.

      The "$100M of revenue on record DAYS" that you're complaining would have been simply wasted, lost to friction in the market, if you prevent anybody from trying to capture it. Should FedEx introduce random latency and delays into their systems in order to make bike couriers more competitive? The bike courier can't compete with FedEx's scale & reach. Maybe in the interests of fairness, we should force FedEx to use only bikes as well? After all, if one company can take advantage of its greater size & scale to make money in a given industry, surely that source of profit is illegitimate and should be completely outlawed!

  3. Well, well, well... by LordNacho · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This just shows that it's hard to build these highly available, low latency, massive usergroup systems. Previously there was a lot of chatter about the platforms (.NET, MSSQL 2003, etc...)

    The problem is more likely to be internal organisation than specific platforms.

    1. Re:Well, well, well... by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This just shows that it's hard to build these highly available, low latency, massive usergroup systems. Previously there was a lot of chatter about the platforms (.NET, MSSQL 2003, etc...)

      Yes. And let us not forget that a lot of that chatter came from Microsoft's PR department.

    2. Re:Well, well, well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's why you can build also on open platform. MS says you can't.

    3. Re:Well, well, well... by the_womble · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Given that this was a showcase client for MS, it does not make them looks good.

      Given that the MS was involved in developing the TradeElect system (the Windows based one), so even is the fault lies in TradeElect rather than the MS platform, then its still at least partly MS's fault.

      Microsoft and Accenture developed a system that turned out not to be as good as the one developed by a small Sri Lankan company no-one had ever heard of.

  4. "Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by atomicbutterfly · · Score: 1

    ... should have stuck with Windows eh?"

    I just know some Microsoft fanboys (they do exist, check out Neowin.net for examples) are gonna latch onto any and all problems that occur after the switchover, regardless of merit.

    1. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like the Linux fanboys did when they switched platforms?

    2. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by atomicbutterfly · · Score: 1

      you mean exactly the same way that Linux fanboys latched onto any and all problems that occurred before the switchover, regardless of merit?

      Actually, yes, exactly like those Linux fanboys. I dislike fanboys of any camp.

      What? You didn't think I was totally brainwashed by Slashdot did you? :)

    3. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by slimjim8094 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair, if this was Windows you *know* the Linux fans (myself included) would be berating them for choosing such a crappy platform. And it was Windows, and we did berate them for it...

      Of course, the truth is somewhere in the middle - isn't it always? The most important part of a trading computer system set up is, well, the trading computer system software. The system's biggest problems aren't going to be due to Coolwebsearch or a bluescreen, they'll be with the trading software itself. The OS doesn't really matter. Buggy software is buggy software.

      That being said, Linux is just a better platform to build something like this on. Sure, you can do it with Windows and make it work, but it's just more and unnecessarily difficult.

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    4. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by michelcolman · · Score: 4, Funny

      They should have just used a Mac. iStockExchange is a free download for MobileMe members.

    5. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That being said, Linux is just a better platform to build something like this on. Sure, you can do it with Windows and make it work, but it's just more and unnecessarily difficult.

      I keep hearing this, but never see any technical details. Why is this so? From hearsay, the use of Linux in finance/trading shops is widespread (for servers... clients are typically Windows), it could be true... or it could just be to reduce licensing costs rather than for purely technical reasons.

    6. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by tgetzoya · · Score: 1

      I can image them doing that, even after Apple stopped selling their server systems and told everyone to use their mac minis in the meantime.....

    7. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by ADRA · · Score: 1

      That's a sad but true commentary. If I heard of a high profile Linux->Windows migration that failed in some way, I'm sure I would've jumped on it. The truth is that any new systems roll-out is hard, and the pressures on anything involving large amounts of money is even worse. That's why it takes forever to develop and deploy these systems. I hope their issue was something perceivable and easily addressable.

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    8. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      But wont Apple keep 30% of the money that flows through it?

    9. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by ErroneousBee · · Score: 1

      I am not camp!

      Also, I just think Linux is a better operating system, with reduced time spent managing the system, fixing errors and waiting for it to open applications.

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    10. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by the_womble · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Licensing costs are trivial in the context of these sorts of systems. TradeElect cost £40m, the new system was £50m - but that was to buy the company, not just the software.

    11. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by the_womble · · Score: 1

      The move to Windows happened three and a half years ago. That is hardly a new system: its mature and its still crap.

    12. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by the_womble · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I misunderstood the GP.

    13. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason is that Linux is so flexible: you can customize it easily. This is also the main reason why it's useful in supercomputers (see Top500 sorted by OS family as well as mobile phones (Android, Meego) and other places where you want a small and cheap computer).

      You can try this out by compiling your own kernel: you can take everything out that is not crucial to the tasks at hand (i.e. processing transactions, for this stock exchange example). That also means your customized system isn't checking all the time if someone is diddling with the mouse or pressing on a key (what mouse? what keyboard?).

      I remember a Windows NT system decades ago, where a whole multinational company depended on it, and you could make the entire company's workings slow down to a crawl by moving the mouse around (I'm not kidding!). Probably this has been fixed in more modern Windows systems though?

      Per-CPU operating system licensing costs of 0 probably also play a rôle in case of the 294912-CPU Blue Gene/P supercomputer :-)

    14. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by aliquis · · Score: 1

      iStockExchange is a free download for MobileMe members.

      But Apple take 30% on every trade ...

    15. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ...changed ...from C# to C++ which definitely is a huge downgrade.

      bozo

      They are trading a higher-level language with (builtin) garbage collection, huge standard library, runtime protection, linq and runtime protections for one which hasn't ...

      Yeah, because the non-deterministic garbage collection, the bloated standard library, 'runtime protections' and linq don't contibute to the solution at all, and if anything add possible failure points.

    16. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure .. because the main feature I want in a real-time constrained system is garbage collection....
      Jesus, just use the right language for the right task. And get all those managed languages off my realtime lawn! :P

    17. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not using built-in garbage collection gives you 10% speedup off the bat.

    18. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Of course, the difference is that Microsoft were hailing the LSE system as a great example of why you should use Microsoft's software stack, with the usual marketing dreck about how Microsoft software makes everything possible, blah blah blah.

      It had problems because of the crap they built on top of it. We all knew that the underlying platform didn't really matter with these kinds of systems, but Microsoft wanted to publically take all the praise and positive publicity. So instead, they took the criticism and the blame.

      It kind of was Microsoft's fault. They had a big hand in developing the software that ran the exchange, and they deliberately picked technologies based on what Microsoft could use as a showcase, rather than what actually made sense for the project.

      After that, the LSE basically decided to build their own. It happens to use Linux. This doesn't really matter, because the underlying platform is irrelevant with these kinds of systems. It's hardly even worth mentioning, except for the history.

      This time, it's their own system. It has a bug. They fix it. No blame, no complaining, and no scrapping the entire system and starting over.

    19. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 2

      I worked on a trading system back in the early days. We hit lots of "edge" performance cases. To take full advantage of what a system offers us and to code around problems we usually have source code to look at. We didn't change it, but we had to have the access. MS would gladly give their source code to major customers, but frankly there is more expertise around Linux kernels than Windows.

    20. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From my previous experience the selection of the Linux systems for financials and/or other high throughput applications (geologic rendering, animation rendering and trade management) the selection criteria has been the wide array of tools, the ease of use managing "many" systems (no I am not talking about SMS or GPO), and the relatively short dev cycle for robust code. In the hiring process for several pipeline projects it seems that the UNIX people already have solved the hard problems, it then becomes a matter of phrasing the implementation.

      Sadly... having spent a great deal of time working with the Winders guys on a Unisys project for massive email cluster for exchange servers it seems that the Windows platform does not already have the solution... they are still framing the question.

    21. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I keep hearing this, but never see any technical details. Why is this so?

      I wonder if that is because there are some hard real-time requirements for those systems (or at least parts of them)? Stock Linux isn't that, either, but there are hard RT forks which still count as "Linux". There's no such option with Windows.

    22. Re:"Oh well I guess Linux sucks then by DMandPenfold · · Score: 1
  5. 42 seconds, that's eternity! by michelcolman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Imagine telling a trader in the 1970s that we had a 42 second outage in the stock market, it was all over the news, and a few companies probably lost hundreds of millions in revenue.

    1. Re:42 seconds, that's eternity! by haploc · · Score: 2

      Imagine telling a trader in the 1970s that we had a 42 second outage in the stock market, it was all over the news, and a few companies probably lost hundreds of millions in revenue.

      At least it would be The Answer to.. !

    2. Re:42 seconds, that's eternity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Imagine telling a trader in the 1970s that we had a 42 second outage in the stock market, it was all over the news, and a few companies probably lost hundreds of millions in revenue.

      Now Imagine finding out that there really was not an outage of any length, all the trades completed, and nobody lost anything, but you had already made such claims in a very public forum.

      Amazing how reading the actual article will prevent you from looking like a complete idiot.

    3. Re:42 seconds, that's eternity! by Americano · · Score: 1

      Man, I want you to come talk to my boss and tell him that 42 seconds isn't an "outage of any length."

      When you work with market data and trading systems, a "significant outage" is anything with time > 0 that your functionality is unavailable. Business critical applications are, susprisingly, considered critical to the operation of the business.

      This is why you have hot-spare High Availability / Disaster Recovery configurations, robust monitoring and load balancing, and a team of operations staff standing by to respond at the first sign of a problem. And that's also why it costs tens of millions of dollars to design, build, test and deploy a system like this, despite the script jockeys' assertions that "LOL 6 guys and 6 months could build that."

    4. Re:42 seconds, that's eternity! by ignavus · · Score: 1

      Imagine telling a trader in the 1970s that we had a 42 second outage in the stock market, it was all over the news, and a few companies probably lost hundreds of millions in revenue.

      "Hi, 1970s trader! I am just going to skip over the momentous fact that I have accomplished time travel - the ultimate cool technology - to let you know that one day people will be even more obsessive about the stock market than they are in the 1970s.

      Thought you'd like to know. Oh, and in case you are interested, I can travel through time. Now going back to talk to HG Wells about a great book idea I have."

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    5. Re:42 seconds, that's eternity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Over the third day of my arrival ... the complicated general instrument for sending on all the lines, and which made a vary great noise, suddenly came to a stop with a crash. Within two minutes over three hundred boys - a boy from every broker in the street - rushed upstairs and crowded the long aisle and office, that hardly had the room for one hundred, all yelling that such and such broker's wire was out of order and to fix it at once. It was pandemonium, and the main in charge became so excited that he lost control over all the knowledge he ever had. I went to the indicator, and, having studied it, thoroughly knew where the trouble ought to be, and found it... Doctor Laws appeared on the scene, the most excited person I had seen. He demanded of the man the cause of the trouble, but the man was speechless. I ventured to say that I knew what the trouble was, and he said "Fix it! Fix it! BE quick!"... In about two hours things were working again..."

      Snatched from the autobiography of Thomas Edison, who was 21 at the time an maintaining a subscription based financial technology system. That was 19th century.

      What I'm saying is - those systems break. Always did and most probably always will.

    6. Re:42 seconds, that's eternity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What morons have modded this insightful?
      How can someone who clearly hasn't read TFA or anything else about the incident have any insight into it??? Once again, there was no outage
      There was a 42 second delay in transitioning from continuous trading to the closing auction.
      No interruption to trading, No lost trades, No outage
      (posting ac cos I've already modded down several other f**kwits for the same cluelessness)

  6. Re:SUSE Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course guilty are SUSE with NT kernel and Ballmer.

  7. 42 seconds by tal_mud · · Score: 2

    Liffe[sic] the universe and everything.

    1. Re:42 seconds by DamonHD · · Score: 2

      LIFFE != LSE

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    2. Re:42 seconds by Luyseyal · · Score: 1

      Restate my assumptions:

      One, Mathematics is the language of nature.

      Two, Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.

      Three: If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns everywhere in nature.

      Evidence: The cycling of disease epidemics;the wax and wane of caribou populations; sun spot cycles; the rise and fall of the Nile. So, what about the stock market? The universe of numbers that represents the global economy. Millions of hands at work, billions of minds. A vast network, screaming with life. An organism. A natural organism. My hypothesis: Within the stock market, there is a pattern as well... Right in front of me... hiding behind the numbers. Always has been.

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  8. oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The London Stock Exchange has taken steps to resolve a system problem...

    Translation: "we noticed ntpd wasn't running and the time on the box was 42 seconds out"

  9. Someone skimped on testing by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've seen this too often in my 25+ professional years in IT. The system test manager produces an excellent plan, that fully simulates the anticipated workload. But it requires X testers, Y test case developers and Z machines. The program manager rejects the plan, "because he is under pressure to reduce costs." The program manager says, "The testing that the developers do should be enough." He then moves on, before the system goes into production.

    The result? It always ends in tears.

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    1. Re:Someone skimped on testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like they did quite a lot of testing to me...

      http://www.londonstockexchange.com/products-and-services/millennium-exchange/technicalinformation/technicalinformation.htm

    2. Re:Someone skimped on testing by daid303 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Testing is just hard. Even with a perfect plan, and a perfect execution you're still going to miss things.

      I just spend 2 weeks finding a 6 year old bug, which only showed itself when the temperature of our product is somewhere at -5C, and then only on 75% of the total devices. Devices where tested at low as -40C, but those where lucky and kept working correctly, so nobody noticed before. Even after I found it I spend a week looking at the code to find what's really wrong.

    3. Re:Someone skimped on testing by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      Do you really think with a project this large and crucial, that the people in charge would willingly skimp on testing? I mean shit, this isn't BP we're talking about here. I'd imagine this is a pretty huge system. I'm willing to bet that whatever caused this outage was just simply overlooked when developing the test plan.

    4. Re:Someone skimped on testing by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Do you really think with a project this large and crucial, that the people in charge would willingly skimp on testing?

      Yes.

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    5. Re:Someone skimped on testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the part that is usually a problem for me and any project I've ever been involved with for the last 5 years: "It will take X time to write and Y time to run the tests." "But that would push back the delivery date [again], so we can't do it." But the rest of your comment was spot on in either case.

  10. No Suse for me by LZLinuz · · Score: 0

    Guess I won't download anything Suse.

  11. Re:Slashdot Meta by Jeppe+Salvesen · · Score: 0

    It's possible to revert to the old system. Bliss!

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  12. LSE live in la la land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to work for a company that made a stock market analysis program, only left last November and my house mate still works there. Quite frankly, the LSE have been shit at this. I'm sure lots of people here know how, even at huge companies, they can still be shit at testing, and informing their customers. They where so unrealistic with dates and what their customers could do, their testing was awful and very basic. I've seen better testing done by a bunch of kids doing GCSE course work. Quite frankly, the fact they've only had these problems surprises me, I expected a lot more

  13. Sometimes by inpher · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Sometimes I just wish that there was some kind of levy on buying and selling the same stock within a short time frame (say 24 hours), it would probably never hurt long time investors (the ones that are actually important to the companies' whose stock is being traded) and would seldom affect hedge funds and similar accounts.

    From my limited knowledge it always seems like this high speed trading is the worst part of stock exchange today. Especially since everything they do echoes in the job market and affect the companies whose stock they buy and sell without any actual interest in the companies. For all they care the high speed traders never even bother knowing the names of companies whose stocks they buy and sell.

    I have a hard time believing this was the intent of creating a stock market.

    1. Re:Sometimes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FWIW, there's a 0.5% levy on the purchase price. Details here.

  14. Teething problems by mangu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Previously there was a lot of chatter about the platforms (.NET, MSSQL 2003, etc...)

    It's one thing to have a 42 seconds glitch in the first day a totally new system is powered up. That's perfectly normal, and had been predicted:

    "Observers watching today's Linux-based launch will likely note that such a large change could bring about some teething problems, as with any technology overhaul."

    It's a totally different thing to have it stop for a whole day after having been in operation for three months.

    So, in conclusion, yes, it's about the platform. .NET, MSSQL 2003, etc aren't robust enough for this kind of job.

    1. Re:Teething problems by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      To be fair we don't know the exact reasons TradElec went down. It was mentioned that an upgrade went wrong. It could have been the platform.

      There was talk that the platform was slow and wasn't performing as expected. The outage was just the last straw. Like a poor performing employee, you'd like to replace him/her but until they screw up royally you don't have enough justification for HR.

      Or it could have been working fine but a public embarasment like that needed a scape goat. Someone had to be fired; something had to be changed. Publicly.

      Based on the fact that this was the first foray of MS using .NET into this type of application: high availability, low latency, high performance, it wasn't yet mature enough. Contrasted that to Linux which has been used for years in big iron my opinion is that it was a combination of platform and inexperience.

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    2. Re:Teething problems by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      You do realize that it's not .NET, MSSQL and Windows 2003 alone that made up the trading system, right? It was also a boat load of custom developed software.

      There is no evidence to suggest the problems that TradeElect had were directly the problem with the technology it was based on, but more likely due to problems in the custom software developed for it. I'd venture a guess that Microsoft's own web sites, like Hotmail, MSN, etc.. generate more load and have more complexity than TradeElect, and they handle things just fine.

      Likewise, the problem today was unlkely to be a problem with Linux, C++, or any other frameworks or databases they're using. And to claim it was, will be ridiculous.

    3. Re:Teething problems by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      True Hotmail may serve more clients per day but the type of load is vastly different. If it takes 3 seconds instead of 2 to load your mail, very few people care. Exchanges like this are all about transactional processing and execution and performance is measured in milliseconds. Volumes are chaotic in nature. On hotmail you might see a small spike during parts of the day but not an order of magnitude jump because of some news announcement. Bottom line MS has little experience with exchanges before this. Their platform simply may not have been ready.

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    4. Re:Teething problems by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      That may be, but there is no evidence to suggest it was the basic stack that was causing the problem.

      It may simply be that the TradeElect software itself was not written to withstand the loads that were placed upon it.

      Without a thorough analysis, there is no way for us to know. Therefore, claiming it's the stack is just as valid or invalid as claiming it's the custom software.

      In any event, this is not an either/or situation. Microsoft did not write the TradeElect software, a third party did... Accenture. Although Microsoft was definitely involved, it was ultimately Accenture's baby.

      I thnk what this boils down to is that MilleniumIT is a Trading system company. That's what they do. Accenture is a consulting company, that's what THEY do.

      By that, I mean that MilleniumIT is focused on building the worlds best trading system, and everything they do revolves around that. Accenture is just trying to write software for their specific clients needs, and thus have their hands in many pies.

    5. Re:Teething problems by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Yes we can't really know the exact nature. However the main problem with comparison is the sample size here. I don't know of any other exchange that uses Windows as trading platform. I would say that no one else has even built one on Windows or that Windows is typically not used in cases of high performance is more of an indicator. It's kinda like this: Black & Decker is big name in tools; however, professional contractors don't use that brand as much as they use others like DeWalt. It's not Black & Decker is bad; it's just more designed for consumers. Windows may be fine for email servers or websites; it's not really good for this application.

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    6. Re:Teething problems by mangu · · Score: 1

      It's interesting that you use power tools as an analogy. I once made a presentation to managers in my company on "Why Linux?" where I had the following analogy: Windows XP on personal computers is like Black & Decker drills, cheap and easy to use, found everywhere. Windows server is like Makita drills, sturdier, more professional, and more expensive, but very much like an amateur tool on steroids.

      Linux is like an air drill. Most people aren't even aware that such thing exists. But it's the only solution where an industrial strength tool is needed.

    7. Re:Teething problems by objectdisoriented · · Score: 1

      There is not enough public information to make specific conclusions about the contributing factors for this outage.

      We can make specific broad comments about systems that have these type of requirements, performance and otherwise.

      Just as there are platforms that have a security model that make them more (or less) secure than other platforms, there are platforms that are inherently better (or worse) at performance.

      There are message passing schemes that well suited for this type of system.

      There are programming languages that make it easier to develop robust bug-free applications.

      There are systems with built-in high-availability fail-over capabilities (as apposed to a typical multiple vendor, multi tiered "solution").

      I'm sorry, if they were patching the system after 3 months running in parallel, they probably have much more fundamental problems than the application not yet being production ready.

      I think the biggest problem of all is the extreme hubris of vendors and consulting firm who sell the idea that they can apply their products, methodologies, and "industry best practices" (what a load of excrement!) to ANY project, even though they have never attacked a problem in the same class before! We'll have our Super Certified Windbags meet with the other vendors Account Superheros and your Subject Matter Expuds, and we'll have a full project plan and budget on your desk by this Tuesday.

      Bzzt! Wrong!

      The best case is that they simply fail miserably. Worst case is the get it almost-right and go through the outage/patch cycle for the next decade.

      Oh, and for any system that must have near-perfect availability, you want to avoid patching as much as possible. Annually is a nice goal. Every Tuesday, not nice at all. That's begging, pleading, screaming for trouble.

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    8. Re:Teething problems by DMandPenfold · · Score: 1
    9. Re:Teething problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > There is not enough public information to make specific conclusions about the contributing factors for this outage
      br/> There was no outage.
      There was a delay in transitioning from one trading phase to another.
      Once again - there was no outage.

    10. Re:Teething problems by smellotron · · Score: 1

      I don't know of any other exchange that uses Windows as trading platform.

      I do.

    11. Re:Teething problems by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      If you actually read the case study by MS, it mixes both present and future tense. "has selected" and "will use". Has this thing been built or will it be built?

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    12. Re:Teething problems by smellotron · · Score: 1
      FTFA:

      "Both the Direct Edge and ISE platforms had been built on Windows Server technology," says Bonanno. "It's where our expertise lies. Based on our experience with those systems over five years, we felt that Microsoft had what it took to be a mission-critical, high-performance platform. It had always been a requirement of our earlier systems to handle massive numbers of transactions, and to do so quickly. For example, we built a real-time processing engine on Microsoft technology that published several hundred thousand transaction messages per second. If Microsoft hadn't been able to meet our needs, we'd have looked elsewhere—but there was no need to."

      So both DirectEdge and ISE used MS as a platform prior to the case study, and DirectEdge sounds like happy customers. Amusingly, the lead-in there seems to imply that they chose the platform because of their own knowledge base, not because it was actually better:

      This is the point in the story at which most companies would consider their technology options—but not Direct Edge.

      "Both the Direct Edge and ISE platforms had been built on Windows Server technology," says Bonanno. "It's where our expertise lies. [et cetera]"

    13. Re:Teething problems by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      My bad I didn't read case studies from any company themselves but was looking at google articles. Sometimes case studies by companies are somewhat skewed. For example, previously MS presented a case study of how NASDAQ uses their technology in "trading". If you read the press release from MS, you'd think that Windows was the base for their trading platform. However, you read other articles, it was reported that NASDAQ uses Windows for messaging for their trading platform (sending out stock prices like in tickers) and not transactional processing for their trading platform. They actually use a Linux backend for that. If you do a google search on the topic, every link is full of present and future tense. Most of them originated in July 2010 or December 2010. It isn't clear is if it is 100% Windows. Is it? Many companies rely on a variety of technologies and platforms like NASDAQ above.

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    14. Re:Teething problems by smellotron · · Score: 1

      It isn't clear is if it is 100% Windows. Is it? Many companies rely on a variety of technologies and platforms like NASDAQ above.

      I would imagine that there are a variety of technologies in use by any exchange. OTOH, DirectEdge is smaller (and newer) than NASDAQ so it's possible that they're a single-platform shop. Their web server identifies itself as Microsoft-IIS/7.0.

    15. Re:Teething problems by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      Again, I see no evidence to suggest that Windows or .NET was where the problem was. You're making generalizations based on speculation.

      Again, I suspect the real issue here is one of market specialization. MilleniumIT made a better product because they specialize in that product. Accenture merely build a product based on the specifications of their client (which may or may not have been what the client actually needed).

      This is one reason I typically recommend against hiring consulting firms to build applications for my clients. Consulting firms are only interested in generating more billable hours, while product based companies are interested in making more sales. Thus, the latter is has more self-interest in creating a better product.

  15. What I was wondering by aliquis · · Score: 2

    Was the consequences of the loss of the automatic trade?

    Everybody won? :D

  16. Proposed patch by Norsefire · · Score: 1

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  17. The Unix Philosophy by mangu · · Score: 1

    That being said, Linux is just a better platform to build something like this on. Sure, you can do it with Windows and make it work, but it's just more and unnecessarily difficult.

    I keep hearing this, but never see any technical details. Why is this so?

    I had extensive Windows programming experience before I switched to Linux about ten years ago and, basically, it boils down to the Unix philosophy.

    Linux is a system made by programmers for programmers. Windows is a system made following directions of the marketing department.

  18. Simple by snookerhog · · Score: 1

    42

    1. Re:Simple by atisss · · Score: 1

      Six by nine

  19. What hour ? by psergiu · · Score: 1

    4:30. What were the sys admins doing 10 minutes before this ? ;-)

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    1. Re:What hour ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4:30. What were the sys admins doing 10 minutes before this ? ;-)

      Being sysadmins of course :)

  20. TradElect & InfoLect lasted longer... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    "So, in conclusion, yes, it's about the platform. .NET, MSSQL 2003, etc aren't robust enough for this kind of job." - by mangu (126918) on Thursday February 17, @07:15AM (#35230620)

    Oh, really? That's NOT what London Stock Exchange reps said:

    "LSE denied that the collapse was TradElect's fault" - http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_exchange_to_abandon_failed_windows_platform by Stephen J. Vaughn-Nichols

    The other day here, while I was replying to other "Pro-*NIX" penguins here, I said this:

    "TradElect &/or InfoLect being the Microsoft based system - & mind you also, it lasted just fine from 2007 until the crash that occurred, & from what I have been reading about it, it happened on the biggest volume day that exchange ever saw due to some takeover... it remains to be seen if Linux based MilleniumIT's system will handle THAT level of "load" too...!" - by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 15, @01:26PM (#35212722) from http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1995760&cid=35207904

    Well, it appears I didn't have to wait long... lol, or even wait for a day of EXTREMELY HEAVY TRADING either!

    APK

    P.S.=> So far, under this Linux system MilleniumIT, the LSE's crashed TWICE ALREADY, and in less than 1 year!

    By way of comparison?

    The LSE under .NET systems, TradElect & InfoLect, ran fine from 2007 until it froze on the biggest trading volume day they ever had there (see the article above) due to some "takeover"... that's 2 yrs. or more worth of uptime out of it...

    However, only THAT level of "stress on the system" collapsed the C#.NET/SQLServer 2000/Windows Server 2003 combination (not what's happening now to LSE under Linux, 2x now, no less).

    (I bolded SQLServer 2000, because BETTER versions of it exist in 2005 & 2008, & I suspect IT was the "weakest link" in that mixture actually - but, more & more, it's looking like the IT Team handling things, actually, were I one to guess...) apk

    1. Re:TradElect & InfoLect lasted longer... apk by Americano · · Score: 1

      Remember folks, you heard it here first:

      APK says Windows is better than Linux.

    2. Re:TradElect & InfoLect lasted longer... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you also the previous Microsoft appolgist that trolled previous articles on the Linux switch? Are you directly or indirectly hired by Microsoft? Just wondering since you're so desperate to do damage control on this.

    3. Re:TradElect & InfoLect lasted longer... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bahaha that is hilarious reading.

      Preaching microsoft around these parts is unwise, and you will get little to no sympathy from slashdot, deserving so.

      Not to mention the very links you posted state the opposite of everything you said.
      Not a good day when your own only evidence calls you a liar.

  21. LSE - Software Problems Again - ROQ IT comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We commented on this situation here: http://www.roqit.co.uk/news/roq-it-comment-on-lse-migration-issues/17/2/2011

    Stephen Johnson – Director, at Quality Assurance and Testing specialist ROQ IT, said, “This has the hallmarks of a poorly controlled project lacking in appropriate process and quality gates. Large migration and integration projects are notoriously difficult and must be treated with respect. The only way to deliver these systems is to have clear process and communication and the Quality Assurance team having a respected place at the top table. It’s amazing to think that either these issues weren’t discovered in a year of testing or that the decision was made to go live despite these show stopping issues. This clearly shows the value of having an independent testing team or function that is willing to stand up and stop chaos prevailing”.

  22. Cherry picking much, Mr. Ballmer? by mangu · · Score: 1

    That's NOT what London Stock Exchange reps said:
    "LSE denied that the collapse was TradElect's fault" - http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_exchange_to_abandon_failed_windows_platform by Stephen J. Vaughn-Nichols

    Let's quote from your own link. First of all, the line you put between quotes was entirely out of context, because you omitted the initial "while" and the following lines:

    "they also refused to explain what the problem really was. Sources at the LSE tell me to this day that the problem was with TradElect.

    Since then, the CEO that brought TradElect to the LSE, Clara Furse, has left without saying why she was leaving. Sources in the City-London's equivalent of New York City's Wall Street--tell me that TradElect's failure was the final straw for her tenure. The new CEO, Xavier Rolet, is reported to have immediately decided to put an end to TradElect."

    You also failed to mention that the article's title was "London Stock Exchange to abandon failed Windows platform" and that the author concluded:

    "So, might I suggest to the LSE that they consider Linux as the foundation for their next stock software infrastructure? After all, besides working well for Chi-X, Linux seems to be doing quite nicely for the CME (Chicago Mercantile Exchange), the NYSE (New York Stock Exchange), etc., etc."

    1. Re:Cherry picking much, Mr. Ballmer? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Interesting that you are actually trying to argue with apk. Having some experience here, let me tell you how this will go. You might say something completely innocuous like:

      "I like vanilla."

      Pretty soon you will get a 3000 word ramble from an AC about how chocolate is good for you and how Thalian chocolate is the best since they age the beans 400 years. Then you'll get a 4000 word diatribe from an AC about how chocolate is bad for you because he's an expert in Thalian chocolate. If you're lucky, he'll accidentally sign his name to both of them otherwise you'd wonder why any two different ACs would bother posting rambling filibusters similarly written but completely contradictory and irrelevant to the topic and whether it was the same person.

      Should you feel to respond and actually point out important facts like Thalian chocolate only exists in Star Trek and it technically isn't real, he'll search for every post and website you may have ever visited until he finds that post you made three years ago where you said:

      "You know chocolate isn't that bad a color for the Zune.

      You might point out your handle is "mangu" and not "manguts" and that wasn't you at all. Nevertheless, he'll take your post as proof that you were wrong about MS and the Zune. Fortunately for you, slashdot closes these threads after a while or he would go on and on in this thread not for weeks, not for months but for years about how your post on vanilla completely supports his assertion that 32-bit will win out against 64-bit, how the HOSTS file is the solution to all things security, and how ramdisks will solve any performance problem. Unfortunately for you, he'll can follow you on slashdot as AC and respond to every post from now until eternity how wrong you were about Thalian chocolate.

      Now you may wonder later how this all got started. It's rather simple. He disagrees with you; therefore he must destroy you.

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    2. Re:Cherry picking much, Mr. Ballmer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You destroyed yourself. You gave apk too much credit because you made it easy on him from what I saw here http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1995760&cid=35212722 and here http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1995760&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=35217626 wwhere apk was on topic in response to others statements.

  23. Linux MilleniumIT system @ LSE down, 2x now? LOL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Sources at the LSE tell me to this day that the problem was with TradElect." - by mangu (126918) on Thursday February 17, @10:03AM (#35232010)

    What 'sources' are those? The "horses' mouth" said otherwise:

    "LSE denied that the collapse was TradElect's fault" - http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_exchange_to_abandon_failed_windows_platform [computerworld.com] by Stephen J. Vaughn-Nichols

    (OR, can't you read?)

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    "You also failed to mention that the article's title was "London Stock Exchange to abandon failed Windows platform" and that the author concluded: "So, might I suggest to the LSE that they consider Linux as the foundation for their next stock software infrastructure? After all, besides working well for Chi-X, Linux seems to be doing quite nicely for the CME (Chicago Mercantile Exchange), the NYSE (New York Stock Exchange), etc., etc." - by mangu (126918) on Thursday February 17, @10:03AM (#35232010)

    LMAO - they abandoned a platform that ran SOLID for them for 2 yrs. time... and for what? A Linux one that has crashed 2x now in less than 1 yr.!

    (Facts are FACTS, and today's article substantiates my statement above in reply to yours, easily!)

    I have noted that Linux does the job elsewhere, just fine, myself -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1995760&cid=35212722 , so, you can't pull the "you're not being fair/complete" b.s. on me...

    (I just tell it how it is, and I use backing documentation... like the above quote, for example, FROM THE HORSES' MOUTH LSE (not some "sources" who remained unnamed - that's NOT "good enough" for me!))

    APK

    P.S.=> Still, the fact remains - LINUX WENT "DOWN FOR THE COUNT" IN LESS THAN 1/2 a YEAR ON THE LSE! and, it's NOT THE FIRST TIME EITHER boys, so... "read 'em & weep" + "argue with the facts" I put out, not myself... apk

  24. What's a closing auction ? by doperative · · Score: 1

    "Due to a technical problem, that system sent out the daily automatic message to clients - stating that the closing auction was beginning seconds late"

  25. Linux @ LSE, down 2x in less than 1 yr. - FACT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First - See subject-line, drink it in & digest it...

    "Remember folks, you heard it here first: APK says Windows is better than Linux." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:52AM (#35231858)

    Secondly - For stability on a stock exchange? It appears that Windows DID do a better job @ LSE, because InfoLect + TradLect did stay "up & running" from 2007 until they replaced it w/ Linux, & this failing system... and they replaced it with WHAT that has crashed a 2nd time now, in LESS THAN 1 yr.'s time?? A LINUX BASED SYSTEM!

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    It's just that I posted facts & backing substantiating documetations that you "penguins" just DO NOT LIKE, and CANNOT HANDLE!

    ( ESPECIALLY ON THE NOTE OF STABILITY, because MilleniumIT is ALREADY CRASHING IN LESS THAN 1 yrs.' time (whereas InfoLect + TradLect, the MS' system LSE had, stayed up & running for what? 2 yrs., & only the HEAVIEST DAY EVER ON THAT EXCHANGE FLOORED IT, no less... )).

    APK

    P.S.=> However, on the note of "security" as well? Ok, some more backing proofs:

    ---

    KNOWN Linux 2.6 security vulnerabilities, kernel ALONE, & not counting GUI shells ones too (02/15/2011) = 5% (12 of 247 Secunia advisories)

    http://secunia.com/advisories/product/2719/?task=advisories

    ---

    KNOWN Windows 7 security vulnerabilities, IN ITS ENTIRETY Gui shell & all (02/15/2011) = 11% (6 of 57 Secunia advisories)

    http://secunia.com/advisories/product/2719/?task=advisories

    ---

    Let's see:

    ---

    1.) That's TWICE as many bugs still present in Linux' kernel ALONE, vs. Windows 7 in its entirety...

    AND

    2.) There were also by way of comparison, what? 2-3x++ as many bugs in Windows 7 patched as there were in Linux kernel 2.6 (which is a LOT older than Windows 7)??

    ---

    NEED MORE? OK:

    ---

    USB Autorun Attacks Against Linux:

    http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/02/07/1742246/USB-Autorun-Attacks-Against-Linux

    (Where the "penguin crew" COPIED A FEATURE FROM Windows, one they bitch about no less that could be disabled via TweakUI a decade++ ago, or by registry edits - take your pick! They "blew it" right off the bat/outta the gate on it too... LOL!)

    ---

    Security Warning Over Web-Based Android Market: (ANDROID is a Linux)

    http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/11/02/04/181204/Security-Warning-Over-Web-Based-Android-Market

    (Showing just "how secure" linux REALLY is... not!)

    ---

    Die-hard bug bytes Linux kernel for second time:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/15/linux_kernel_regression_bug/

    (Where Linux bugs got "fixed", only to be shown to be EASILY broken thru again, & incomplete!)

    ---

    These additional backing documentations of Linux' security issues? They're ALL VERY RECENT, mind you... & quite indicative of what's coming & yes, even currently HAPPENING on Linux, as far as its security!

    So... read 'em, & weep boys, though you may not LIKE IT? It's "how it is"...

    (& those backing documentations/evidences above? Heh - only the beginnings of what I saw happen to MacOS X once it got more "market share"! I.E. - it got hacked/cracked more, & exposed more for security weaknesses (lol, after the MacOS X commercials on TV implied "Mac is more secure than a PC"... b.s.!)... apk

    1. Re:Linux @ LSE, down 2x in less than 1 yr. - FACT! by Americano · · Score: 1

      Cool story, Bro.

  26. Americano goes off topic? LMAO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Cool story, Bro." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @11:27AM (#35233160)

    See subject-line, you off-topic troll - & there's NO DENYING all you have is your puny little "meme" in response to facts I posted? Please...

    APK

    P.S.=> There you have it readers: When the "penguins of /." (pack of clucking hens is more like it, lol) can't dispute facts, such as the fact THIS IS THE 2nd TIME NOW THAT LSE HAS GONE DOWN UNDER LINUX BASED SYSTEMS IN LESS THAN 1 YR. (far less in fact, vs Windows & how long it lasted @ LSE since 2007 until it crashed on the HEAVIEST TRADING DAY THEY EVER SAW no less only (&with older DB engines too than what is current, for SQLServer too))... what do they do?

    See Americano's reply quoted above - Well, as you can see/read? They just go off topic, like it can "save face" for them, or something... lol, & in doing so, they look even MORE foolish: Not that they mind, I do this to that type here, ALL the time (& I have yet to be proven wrong, for 8++ yrs. around here now - why? I use facts!)... apk

    1. Re:Americano goes off topic? LMAO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, APK! You are entertaining. Please continue!

    2. Re:Americano goes off topic? LMAO! by Americano · · Score: 1

      Y U MAD BRAH?

    3. Re:Americano goes off topic? LMAO! by Americano · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, I'm on the case. Keep your hosts files updated, and your Windows recovery disk warm.

  27. 42? by molecular · · Score: 1

    well there we have an answer to a popular question

  28. Linux appears to need "damage control" @ LSE! LOL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Are you directly or indirectly hired by Microsoft? Just wondering since you're so desperate to do damage control on this." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 17, @11:30AM (#35233186)

    First - would it MATTER if I were an MS employee?

    Secondly - It appears LINUX NEEDS "DAMAGE CONTROL" over @ LSE, because the Microsoft InfoLect/TradLect systems worked for 2 yrs. time (not just a few months, or days in this case, rotflmao!)

    ---

    "Are you also the previous Microsoft appolgist that trolled previous articles on the Linux switch?" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 17, @11:30AM (#35233186)

    Trolled? No, I used facts as I always do, & I posted Linux's successes actually (AND Microsoft's too @ NASDAQ) on various stock exchanges here, in fact:

    http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1995760&cid=35212722

    So, again - You, & others LIKE YOU, can't pull the "you're not being fair/complete" b.s. on me... I am fair. I post facts with backing proofs/documentations, nearly everytime I post here in fact!

    APK

    P.S.=> Are you guys SO "desperate" that you have to try to 'attack me', ala the patented "/. troll adhominem attack style" when beaten by facts? Seems so... & it would NOT matter were I am MS employee anyhow: It's LINUX systems over @ LSE with the "crash" problem!... they're the ones that need "spin control" here, lol, NOT MS! apk

  29. why you don't need to worry about HST by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    High speed trading is just the froth on top of the market -- a million little bubbles.
    Granted, it increases costs overall for everybody in the market, but those costs should be spread evenly. This shouldn't greatly adversely impact long term investors.
    But it does still amount to an privileged class siphoning value out of the system. That's bad.

    --

    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  30. What did I post that's false? Show us specifics! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Not to mention the very links you posted state the opposite of everything you said." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 17, @12:14PM (#35233738)

    Specifics please: One of you "spin-CON-TROLL" trolls, lol, already tried to say what I posted is false, but he had NO valid source!

    By way of comparison, however? LOL - I did have an absolutely valid & validated source - the reps from LSE no less, who did NOT blame MS-based InfoLect + TradeLect...

    To me, as I said in my init. post here?

    It's looking like the IS/IT/MIS team there is in trouble, & to blame... 2 crashed systems so far, one MS based, the other Linux based, were I one to make guesses...

    (So, what links are those you speak of? Please - DO "try me" on any of them: I will just make you "eat your words", easily... "too, Too, TOO EASILY", in fact, as I do everytime, with trolls like you!)

    ---

    "Not a good day when your own only evidence calls you a liar.." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 17, @12:14PM (#35233738)

    Again: What SPECIFIC evidence is this? What link or fact I posted??

    Fact is, & there is NO DENYING IT?

    Ms-Based InfoLect &/or TradLect did better @ LSE, because they lasted longer, from 2007 until they were replaced recently, & with what? Linux... "crashing Linux", 2 days onto the job no less... lol, little denying it, and it's the 2nd TIME IT HAPPENED TOO, no less...

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "Preaching microsoft around these parts is unwise, and you will get little to no sympathy from slashdot, deserving so." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 17, @12:14PM (#35233738)

    Oh, really? Seems that a "little ole' AC", like me, does PRETTY WELL on that note - & here is the evidences of that much, with ease/on demand, in rebuttal to your easily disproven statements (as usual for myself, with FACTS, specific facts):

    (155++ of them, TO BE SPECIFIC, unlike yourself!)

    +5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (8):

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1139485&cid=26975021
    http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34350102
    http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1872982&cid=34264190
    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1139485&cid=26974507
    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=170545&cid=14210206
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=175774&cid=14610147
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1806946&cid=33777976
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1901826&cid=34490450

    ----

    +4 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (4):

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=161862&cid=13531817
    http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=167071&cid=13931198
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1290967&cid=28571315
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1461288&cid=30273506

    ----

    +3 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (5):

    http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1930156&cid=34713952
    http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=155172&cid=13007974
    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=166850&cid=13914137
    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=175857&cid=14615222
    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=273931&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=20291847
    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1021873&cid=25681261

    ----

    +2 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (28):

    http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907266&cid=34529608
    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=158231&cid=13257227
    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1361585&cid=29360367
    http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=158310&cid=13263898
    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1361585&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=29358507
    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=15

  31. It's not ME, it's the "dancing penguins", lmao! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Hi, APK! You are entertaining. Please continue!" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 17, @12:34PM (#35234058)

    Thank you, but... hey:

    As you can see - it's not ME "dancing" here, lmao, trying to do adhominem attack "spin-CON-troll" tactics here... it's the "Pro-*NIX Penguin consortium" of trolls around here!

    After all folks:

    THERE IS NO DENYING THAT LINUX FELL FLAT ON ITS FACE, 2nd DAY INTO THE JOB HERE @ LSE!

    (That also wasn't this Linux systems' 1st time to do that, mind you, EITHER/no less! (And, that Microsoft's TradLect + InfoLect system lasted longer... since 2007, up until this BOTCHED replacement with Linux!))

    ---

    Lastly, QUOTED FROM THE HORSES' MOUTH @ The London Stock Exchange's OWN REPS:

    "LSE denied that the collapse was TradElect's fault" - http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_exchange_to_abandon_failed_windows_platform [computerworld.com] by Stephen J. Vaughn-Nichols

    I wonder if they will say the same on this new LINUX system - that fell "flat on its face", 2nd day into the job, and that it was NOT the 1st time MillieniumIT, the Linux system, f'd up either!

    APK

    P.S.=> Or, are facts, NOT FACTS? Apparently NOT, in Linux "bizarro-world", lmao... however, in FAIRNESS? Like I said, in my INITIAL post here?? It's looking more & MORE like it's the IT teams @ LSE... since BOTH an MS and Linux based system have failed there for different reasons apparently, but failure is the result... that? That falls on the IT team, imo @ least, the MOST... apk

    1. Re:It's not ME, it's the "dancing penguins", lmao! by Americano · · Score: 1

      One trick pony only has one trick. :(

  32. 1 "trick" (truth) is all one needs vs. trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "One trick pony only has one trick. :(" - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @12:56PM (#35234438)

    LMAO, yea... 1 trick alright, is what I use:

    It's called telling the TRUTH, & w/ concrete + verifiable current sources, vs. your "tricks" of going off topic & using adhominem trolling attacks, vs. facts, documented/concrete & verifiable facts I used quotes & links to their sources for?

    Please... give us a break - I can only laugh so hard, you know...

    APK

    P.S.=> I mean, please... after all, from here

    http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1999478&cid=35231358

    on downwards here today, in this very exchange, by way of comparison?

    LMAO: I have gotten nothing but ad hominem attacks directed MY way, and inability of the "penguins" around here to prove ME WRONG, & with equally valid + verifiable sources like I used!

    BOTTOM-LINE: Linux isn't working out "too tell" over @ LSE now, is it boys?? Read this article, if you think it is... lol! Ah yes, I gotta say it, as per usual, vs. the Penguins & their "now ruffled feathers":

    "too, Too, TOO EASY" - just '2EZ'... everytime!... apk

    1. Re:1 "trick" (truth) is all one needs vs. trolls by Americano · · Score: 1

      tl;dr. Please try formulating a coherent point before posting.

  33. Your use of all CAPS indicates you are mad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1999478&cid=35232890 and after that thrashing he gave you, perhaps you ought to be angry, but only at yourself. Your usage of all CAPS seems to indicate your anger, after all.

    1. Re:Your use of all CAPS indicates you are mad by Americano · · Score: 1

      Oh APK, you are amazing.

  34. Re:versace sunglasses by atisss · · Score: 1

    thanks, now i'll be hitting in face anybody who wears those frackin sunglasses

  35. American STILL "off-topic"/adhominem trolling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Oh APK, you are amazing." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @02:34PM (#35235740)

    Thank-you (again): but, I'd have to say I only "get the job done", but not in some "amazing" fashion... & my "naysayers", such as yourself?

    Please: You're ALL not very "formidable opponents"... I evidence this, per your "poor showing" from here:

    http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1999478&cid=35232890

    On down in this exchange, no less!

    (Same goes for my other "naysayers" here too, lol!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Now, lastly: They say a Man's MIGHT, in any endeavor he pursues really, is judged by the strength of his enemies...

    So, THAT said?

    Well, taking myself, vs. weaklings like YOU, specifically in this exchange, for example, that go "off topic" at the drop of a single fact they cannot disprove, & instead go "off topic" & use adhominem attacks on MYSELF, rather than the data I cited?

    Guess I'm not as *amazing* as YOU feel I am, because I certainly don't feel that way about myself!

    LMAO - Especially taking on "spin-CON-troll" trollers like yourself, who are EASILY ROUTED with concrete veriable solid facts (which is what I used, & you HAD to go "off topic" & try "adhominem attacks" on ME, instead of taking on facts with sources & quotes I used)... apk

    1. Re:American STILL "off-topic"/adhominem trolling? by Americano · · Score: 1

      Damn. You have uncovered my secret: I'm part of Linus Torvalds' secret Linux Astroturf Brigade.

      You win twelve internets for your insight.

  36. Try being on topic, you off topic TROLL, lol! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "tl;dr. Please try formulating a coherent point before posting." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @02:39PM (#35235778)

    See subject-line, Americano: Do you even KNOW what staying "on topic" is, troll?

    LMAO - Additionally:

    Your Penguin "spin-CON-troll", here?? Not working very well is it???

    Nope!

    (Heh, it works alright... to make you look the FOOL, & just about as well as Linux did @ the London Stock Exchange, lol... which, per this article???? Is NOT THAT WELL!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Americano, as a consolation prize? You've made my bookmarks/favs here, yet again, for yet another time you've trolled me & been blown away, by concrete verifiable facts... which ALWAYS force the "penguins" around here into what you've used here vs. myself, thusfar:

    ---

    1.) Name calling/adhominem attacks

    2.) Avoiding facts & disproving those others used

    3.) Attempts @ "English Writing style" critiques (on a forums with no such section on it, no less, lol!)

    ---

    So, especially on this LAST point, which notes the "last resort of the defeated /. troll" (lol, everytime)?

    I use my "std. reply to the 'wannabe English Prof.'s' here:

    When you can show us your PHD in English, & years to decades of teaching it to YOUR credit, Americano??

    Then, you MIGHT be able to talk...

    (However: Is this the English writing style forums section here????? Not afaik! Is there such a forums section here?????? ANSWER = No - which simply serves as proof of your "off topic" b.s., & the mark of the "BLOWN AWAY TROLL", everytime!)

    ---

    Ah, gotta say it, as-per-my-usual: "too, Too, TOO EASY", just '2EZ', everytime... apk

    1. Re:Try being on topic, you off topic TROLL, lol! by Americano · · Score: 1

      It's not an ad hominem attack, you fool. An ad hominem attack would take this form:

      "APK is an unstable psychotic. We may therefore conclude that all of his points are invalid."

      I am asking you to formulate a coherent point, rather than your rambling mess of capitals, emphatic text, and "PS" addenda, which is both physically painful to read, and logically incoherent.

  37. It surely looks like an adhominem attack from U by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1999478&cid=35234438 looks like an adhominem attack to me, with you obviously calling APK a "1 trick pony". Funny how from here on down from you Americano, all we have is off topic trollery (or, "spin-CON-troll" as apk called it and I found it utterly applicable, and especially to you, see as all you have done is go off topic and avoiding disproving facts he put up).

    1. Re:It surely looks like an adhominem attack from U by Americano · · Score: 1

      An ad hominem attack is the logical fallacy of using negative statements about your opponent to discredit their arguments.

      As I said, "APK is a psychotic. Therefore his points are wrong." Is an ad hominem attack. And it is a fallacy, because whether or not you are a psychotic isn't relevant to whether or not your argument holds water.

      Calling you a 1-trick pony is an observation of your behavior: You flog the same snippets of text repeatedly with a rambling mish-mash of capital letters, bold typefaces, and other assorted walls of text. In other words - you make arguments that are incomprehensible to the reader, and only serve to undermine the strength of any point you try to make.

  38. tl;dr to Americano, for off topic trolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tl;dr , for off topic trolling here http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1999478&cid=35236316 and everywhere else he posted in this debate after that. Thank you.

  39. tl;dr as repeatedly off topic + "DEFINITION TIME" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tl;dr and a bit of education from someone that has actually taken and passed with a decent grade a formally academically collegiate environs in LOGIC, as I have (& I took actual LOGIC (In digital, discrete math, and logic itself for CSC degree here))!

    What I took was NOT "forums logic" (as you seem to use) either:

    Better still, I will use actual data as I usually do to prove my point/case:

    ---

    AD HOMINEM DEFINTION:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem (and, what's it say, RIGHT OFF THE BAT? See this -> "to the man")

    ---

    Now, this from you:

    Calling you a 1-trick pony is an observation of your behavior: You flog the same snippets of text repeatedly by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @03:55PM (#35236766)

    New news: Calling anyone names is an adhominem attack. You are "attacking the man" (adhominem means "to the man"), and attacking THEM instead of the points or data they used and brought up.

    Ask any logician this, and, they will tell you the same.

    You are and have been repeatedly off topic as well. tl;dr Americano, the obvious troll who is now spouting outright bullshit on top of his adhominem attack based trolling here. Until you attack my POINTS, instead of ME?? Read the definition above...

    APK

    P.S.=> As per my usual? Well, gotta say it: "too, Too, TOO EASY", man... just '2EZ'... lol! apk

  40. Re:tl;dr as repeatedly off topic + "DEFINITION TIM by Americano · · Score: 1

    From your own link:

    "An ad hominem (Latin: "to the man"), also known as argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to link the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise."

    In other words: If I were trying to dismiss your concerns by calling you a one trick pony, that would be an ad hominem argument.

    Since I have simply observed that all you do is flog the same points with poor grammar and rambling and incoherent walls of text, that is not an ad hominem argument. It is simply observing the fact that that is all you do, and it doesn't matter whether your points are relevant or not, because you do such a horrible job of FORMULATING them that nobody can even tell what your point is. You're just cluttering up Slashdot with pointless self-promotion.

    Name calling is, technically speaking, name calling: It is not a logical fallacy to call you a self-aggrandizing ass, it is simply an observation of your behavior, followed by me stating my opinion of it.

  41. You're still off topic? tl:dr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is not a logical fallacy to call you a self-aggrandizing ass, it is simply an observation of your behavior, followed by me stating my opinion of it. by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @04:37PM (#35237368)

    I disagree. First of all, this was not a discussion of logic as the topic. Was it? No.

    That makes you off topic, for starters.

    Now, you did you call apk names and in an attempt to belittle him? Absolutely. You did not attack his points, but rather, you tried to attack he instead.

    Because of that last part, yes, You are guilty of ad hominem attacks the second you called him a name. You did not attack his points he used, you attacked him instead. You are guilty of ad hominem attacks on him.

    1. Re:You're still off topic? tl:dr by Americano · · Score: 1

      APK, why do you speak of yourself in the third person in these thinly veiled attempts at sock puppetry?

      Noting that you're a self-aggrandizing bore is simply an observation. It is not an ad hominem attack, because frankly, I'm not arguing with any of your points, I'm simply pointing out that you love to repeat yourself!

      Y U MAD, BRAH?

  42. We DO worry, and you're fired from your trolljob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't worry, I'm on the case by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @12:46PM (#35234264)

    You are fired.

    1.) You tried and failed your standard trolling trick of saying he can't write here:

    http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1999478&cid=35235778

    ****

    2.) Yet you reply to each of his posts as if you understand them as clearly as if you had written them yourself.

    (This clearly indicates you understood him and that his writing is fine since you did).

    ****

    3.) You also do not have a PHD in English to your credit, and thus you are not an expert to be cited on how to write properly yourself. Lastly on that note, there is no such forums here or topic on "english grammar or style" criticism.

    ****

    4.) You later called the ac apk names here and that is indeed an ad hominem attack from you.

    (Mainly because you attacked the man instead of his data and points)

    You did a crap job of trolling him. You're fired for bad job performance Americano.

  43. Not attacking my points & me instead IS Ad Hom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " I'm not arguing with any of your points" - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @05:17PM (#35237856)

    Proving you are, once again, guilty of ad hominem ("to-the-man") attacks on myself, rather than the points & data I put out here for all to verify, which ADDITIONALLY also makes you blatantly OFF TOPIC as well...

    ("2 for the price of one", from AMERICANO (gotta love it))

    ---

    "Noting that you're a self-aggrandizing bore" - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @05:17PM (#35237856)

    Yes, thanks for that added evidence of your ad hominem attacks here, which have been OFF TOPIC the ENTIRE TIME you posted here, anywhere!

    ---

    "Y U MAD, BRAH?" - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @05:17PM (#35237856)

    No, but your ALL CAPS replies? They have "capsized" you, lol... after all, all caps = angry, right?

    In any event:

    It has been, as usual, a real PLEASURE blowing you away, troll... it is, also as per usual? Just "too, Too, TOO EASY"... man, just '2EZ'!

    APK

    P.S.=> In any event? Well - I have a "phunny pheeling" that LSE is going to try to NOT blame it on the Linux setup, just like they didn't on the MS one (which that latter setup, MS stuff, lasted ONE HELL OF A LOT LONGER & MORE STABLE, lol, especially 1st week out crashing as Linux has here, than Linux has)...

    To do so, to blame it on the Linux setup? Man - that'd put their "IT Team" on the line, & politics being what they are in business?? Well... you know!

    So, again: I really wouldn't (as an aside here, which I alluded to earlier this week when this went into production here -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1995760&cid=35231420 ) put this past being a POSSIBLE HARDWARE ISSUE AS WELL! Keep THAT in mind also, fellas... as it too, is a "possible" here.

    (So - Now, wouldn't THAT be something people? To find out we've been "busting one anothers' balls" here, over Operating Systems, when it very WELL may be some hardware issue instead!)... apk

  44. Re:Not attacking my points & me instead IS Ad by Americano · · Score: 1

    APK, I'll explain this to you one last time in small words with few syllables: for me to be conducting an "ad hominem" attack, I'd have to be saying something negative about you, *and then* suggesting that that negative trait is why your points are wrong and invalid. Name-calling and getting you all lathered with frustration like this is what we call "just a bit of fun," and has no bearing on whether or not your points are true, false, or completely disconnected from all reality.

    You're the one who went off topic with your diatribe about SQL Server versions and "windows being better."

    Fail harder though, seriously.

  45. Did you ever attack his points? No. U FAIL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since you did not attack his points, and he instead, you are indeed guilty of an ad hominem attack. Your being constantly off topic also qualifies your posts as off topic trolling, short and sweet.

  46. AmericanoTobacco: 4 trolls who get "smoked"! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK, I'll explain this to you one last time in small words with few syllables" - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @06:39PM (#35238966)

    Well, others tended to disagree with you here, and you even ADMITTED to not attacking my points, but, rather trying to attack myself!

    HOWEVER, per my subject-line (& since what's good for the goose is good for the gander/tit for tat)?

    QUESTION: Do you feel like getting "smoked"? If so, step right up folks: We have "What U NEED":

    ---

    Americano American Tobacco Flavor Concentrate:

    http://www.litecigusa.net/Americano_American_Tobacco_Flavor_Concentrate_p/apg-amtobconcentrate.htm

    ---

    For those of you that REALLY LIKE "getting smoked", online or otherwise... lol, & if you use it? Yes, YOU TOO can be just like "Americano" here on the /. forums, and be TOTALLY "SMOKED" every time you post!

    APK

    P.S.=> See Americano? ANYONE can play the "off topic trolling ad hominem attack" game, as you have here the entire time... but, lol, it seems that you took your name from being "SMOKED", lol, so much, that you couldn't resist a "Shameless Plug" from me, for your company there in the URL above... lmao! apk

    1. Re:AmericanoTobacco: 4 trolls who get "smoked"! by Americano · · Score: 1

      Yawn.

      You're boring me, APK.

      1) Learn what constitutes an ad hominem argument. The definition is very clear, and you haven't been subjected to one.
      2) Attacking you? Hardly. I've simply called you some names and poked fun. If I were attacking you, you'd know it.

  47. How long did it take for LSE to go down w/ Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    QUESTION: How long did LSE last on Linux?

    ANSWER = 2 days? LMAO!

    "BWAAAAAHHHH"... lmao!

    (Yes, yes - that "rock SOLID reliability" (lol, not) of LINUX!)

    APK

    P.S.=> That's things here, boys, in a nutshell... & no amount of "spin-CON-troll" & ad hominem attacks (such as you are about here rather than disputing my data & points, but rather, attacking myself) are going to change THAT... are they?

    Nope: LSE has a "Linux Lemon" on their hands, or, is the article here just b.s.? I know not...

    Ah, I have JUST gotta say it, as-per-my-usual, vs. defeated off topic & adhominem attacking trolls like you: It was just "too, Too, TOO EASY" blowing you away... just '2EZ'! apk

  48. Thanks a lot (not): You got destroyed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He disagrees with you; therefore he must destroy you. by UnknowingFool (672806) on Thursday February 17, @07:14PM (#35239278)

    You mean like how he just destroyed YOU here http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1999478&cid=35239554 perhaps? He asked a question there of you, and since you did not answer, he did. His answer is accurate since the system went online with Linux on the 15th apparently, and died today, the 17th. That's not even a full 2 days and the "absolutely solid and secure Linux" went down, like a glass jawed chump. Sort of like how the rest of you have when faced with data he put up that is apparently, quite unassailable/quite invulnerable. Facts are like that. Documented facts most especially. Try it sometime. You may not get smoked as badly as yourself and Americano above did.

  49. I destroyed UnknowingFool twice, see link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1995760&cid=35231420

    He disagrees with you; therefore he must destroy you. by UnknowingFool (672806) on Thursday February 17, @07:14PM (#35239278)

    As you were destroyed in the link above?

    Is that why you're here, fool??

    Trying to "get revenge", with a weak ad hominem attack???

    That is what appears to be the case here, as well as your being utterly destroyed here in this very discussion with a simple question:

    http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1999478&cid=35232210

    as well as in the link above at the start of this posting, which was on the day of LSE using Linux in production (2 days later? Well, now we can TRULY SEE the "rock solid stability and uptime" of Linux, lmao (not)).

    APK

    P.S.=> You trolls need to get over your "GEEK ANGST", because vs. myself? Hey... you never EVER win... ever! Show us all where any of you has gotten the best of me on technical issues, if you don't agree with that statement - I'll be waiting, because it's never happened once in nearly 9 yrs. here in fact!

    LASTLY - If you're going to attempt to UNDERSTAND me (much less DESCRIBE me, UnknowingFool)? I suggest you take a peek at the show "TOP GEAR" Season #15, espisode #5 (which has my fellow Syracusan, Tom Cruise, placing #1 AT TOP GEAR (followed by his pal, & companion, another USA product Cameron Diaz))... & pay special attention to Jeremy Clarkson @ the end, regarding the GREAT Ayrton Senna Da Silva, one of my heroes in this life... because I look at this, or anything in life, just like he did on racing & being a racing driver! apk

    1. Re:I destroyed UnknowingFool twice, see link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow you are a pretty dedicated troll, apk. As far as I can tell no one else is listening here but us two. So I don't think you got the best of him. He's probably set his filter so high he'll never see your comments. Thus you lose. Always.

  50. Are you threatening me? Answer that... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You're boring me, APK." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    You, & the "likes of you" (other off topic ad hominem attacking trolls)? You make me LAUGH... hugely. Especially at your "FAIL" in being unable to dispute the data & points I put up here... no, instead, you TRIED to "attack me"? Off topic?? The ENTIRE TIME???

    Please... lol, you're making me LAUGH again!

    ---

    "1) Learn what constitutes an ad hominem argument. The definition is very clear, and you haven't been subjected to one." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    Funny, but when I posted the DEFINITION of ad hominem attack earlier, you fit it, to a TEE! The definition of AD HOMIMEN is in my ps below:

    ---

    1.) You didn't attack my points, but rather attacked myself (this is "to the man" & that IS the definition of ad hominem)

    2.) You stayed OFF TOPIC the entire time here (though this doesn't make you an ad hominem attacker, STRICTLY, it doesn't "bolster your case" either... & it CERTAINLY SHOWS YOU ARE AN OFF-TOPIC troll).

    ---

    So, don't even TRY "forums logic" on me, as I have actually taken & DONE WELL at a logic course formally administered in collegiate environs during my CSC degree work... have you taken & done the same? Apparently not. I asked you that earlier & before here too, no answer from you, as per usual.

    ---

    "2) Attacking you? Hardly. I've simply called you some names and poked fun." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    Ad hominem attack to a tee, & you even ADMIT it... you attacked ME, instead of my points. You are ridiculous, you off topic troll...

    ---

    "If I were attacking you, you'd know it.." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    Yea?

    ARE YOU THREATENING ME, "big talker"??

    Answer that.

    APK

    P.S.=> The definition of AD HOMINEM (for those NOT versed in logic):

    ---

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

    "An ad hominem (Latin: "to the man"), also known as argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to link the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise.[1] The ad hominem is a classic logical fallacy,[2] but it is not always fallacious; in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue"

    ---

    Sound a "wee bit" like big talker AMERICANO above? His unwillingness to attack the data & points I made on it here, and instead, attempting to attack myself, with threats as seen above, instead?? Please... lol! apk

    1. Re:Are you threatening me? Answer that... apk by Americano · · Score: 1

      I see you're able to quote the definition I gave you - good for you! Next, perhaps you can work on understanding what all those big words mean.

      If I were attacking you, you'd know it. And not even your precious hosts file would help you!

  51. Re:Testing? No, No, No, No, No by objectdisoriented · · Score: 1

    Testing can only prove the presence of bugs, not the absence.

    It doesn't matter if you have 10,000 test cases or 10,000 times as many. Best case is you catch the bugs you were able to anticipate. And if you think you will be able to simulate real-life loads and traffic patterns of your first year in production, well, good luck with that.

    If you are relying on testing to deliver "bug free" systems, you've already lost half the battle.

    Do yourself a favor and dump most of your "test case" staff and hire yourself some real engineers. You'll find you didn't need those folks and have higher quality systems.

    --
    Performance must be inherent in every aspect of the system. It is not an afterthought, but always thought. - me
  52. "YOU gave me"? What a line of bullshit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I see you're able to quote the definition I gave you" - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @10:49PM (#35240678)

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1999478&cid=35237106

    That is where I posted it, for YOU, you disgusting little liar! Show us where you posted it before I did in this exchange (and I will take back calling YOU, a liar!).

    You won't be able to, will you, liar? No, you won't... guess that shows EVERYONE/ANYONE here reading, just how "honest" a scumbag like you, really is...

    ---

    "Next, perhaps you can work on understanding what all those big words mean." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @10:49PM (#35240678)

    Oh, the definition of AD HOMINEM fits you, perfectly, as You have NOT been "on topic" here once, because you have been attacking ME, rather than the points I put up here (which IS an ad hominem attack on your part, directed MY WAY, stupid)...

    I did so, for everyone to verify, and yes, disprove IF POSSIBLE, because IF/WHEN I am wrong? I'll admit it.

    (Nobody has yet though... including YOU!)

    ---

    "If I were attacking you, you'd know it. And not even your precious hosts file would help you!" - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @10:49PM (#35240678)

    LMAO, ok, again: YOU MAKING THREATS "BIG TALKER"?

    APK

    P.S.=> LOL, you? You couldn't attack me online (or otherwise), much less do me damage... but, you're welcome to try - so, go on, answer that question pussy... apk

    1. Re:"YOU gave me"? What a line of bullshit! by Americano · · Score: 1

      You provided a link to the definition of ad hominem, which surprisingly, you appear incapable of comprehending.

      I quoted the relevant definition of exactly what it was (not just a link). I win, you lose.

      And why do you insist on asking if I'm making threats? I told you I wasn't, because if I was, you'd know it. Since you claim to not know whether or not I am, the answer, by process of deduction, is that I have not made any threats.

      Really, APK. Elementary logic. You should read a book sometime.

  53. Have you even taken LOGIC, Americano? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If so, I'd like some proof as to when and where you did so. I doubt you even have gone to college actually, and certainly that you have not taken and passed a logic course. You can try your "forum logic", but it is not the same. Have you ever done a logical proof? I state all that just because you don't seem to understand that "attacking the man" is not the same as attacking points he makes. In your doing your constantly off topic ad hominem attacks of others here you clearly give away the fact that you have not taken logic just because you don't even realize you've made ad hominem logical fallacies in doing so and that is invalid in logical debate. My best guess here is that Americano is just trying to waste others' time here and he doesn't care because he can hide behind his pseudonym here, which is typical of most little trolls because their whole lives they've been pushed around but online they think they're invulnerable.

    1. Re:Have you even taken LOGIC, Americano? by Americano · · Score: 1

      APK, stop with the sock puppets. It does nothing to bolster your arguments, just makes you look like a foolish child, desperate for attention.

      (And as far as hiding... who, exactly, is hiding behind an "Anonymous Coward" label here? Yeah... I thought so.)

  54. Better than your off topic ad hominem attacks here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All you've done through this entire exchange is your blatantly off topic ad hominem attack of apk rather than the data he put up for us all to verify and if possible, dispute. You attacked the man, rather than his points, and yes Americano, just like others here have told you, that is an ad hominem attack. However, you just blow that off, because it makes you look quite stupid, since we all know that by attacking the man rather than his points you are indeed attempting to perform the ad hominem logical fallacy in argument. Just judging from your rather stupid off topic replies here from this url onward http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1999478&cid=35232890 it is very clear that you cannot dispute or disprove his data, so you resort to what trolls do, and that is attack the man or try to. You have not been successful at it in my estimate. Grow up Americano and I'd cut making threats to others. It can get a flea like you hurt.

  55. A douchebag says what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I were attacking you, you'd know it. And not even your precious hosts file would help you! by Americano THE DOUCHEBAG (920576) on Thursday February 17, @10:49PM (#35240678)

    Quit making your threats and attack him. You don't even know his ip address online. Without that, how are you going to manage attacking his computer? As far as I know, you cannot do that without that ip address, and then you have to get thru any defenses the person has. The funny part is that if he knew you were doing it he could stop it easily by simply disallowing any inputs from whatever port it is you'd use and he'd do that by ip address, by entering that IP address data of yours into his hardware or software firewalls, and then he could simply report you to your isp for getting you in trouble and law enforcement also. That's assuming you didn't use a proxy (and that's easy enough to stop also the same way, by disallowing "talk" from that ip address). The point is you are making the threat of doing it and if by some chance someone does attack him, you will get blamed, and if you think the people at slashdot don't respond to court orders for information, you are sadly mistaken. You'd be in trouble. Still, we know You're just a lot of off topic ad hominem attack crap and threats. Until you actually do this threatened attack of yours on him, and successfully, you are nothing but a talk a lot off topic douchebag.

    1. Re:A douchebag says what? by Americano · · Score: 1

      APK, you seem intent on viewing every response of mine as a threat. Is it because you're a paranoid schizophrenic? Seek help.

      We all know that you've got a hosts file and you're not afraid to use it!

      But I'll do you a favor - my ip is 127.0.0.1 - please block me with your hosts file. Also, you probably want to block out a system named "localhost," that's sort of my thing, I use that identifier.

  56. UPDATE: Anger mounts over LSE price data errors by DMandPenfold · · Score: 1
  57. Tiny by luk3Z · · Score: 0

    I told you that they need Tiny Core Linux for this complex Stock Exchange System ^^

    --
    Recipes for USA bankrupt - http://tinypaste.com/0d66f dd = dollar deluge (printed in the infinity)
  58. Threatening to attack my system? What's my IP?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If I were attacking you, you'd know it." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @10:49PM (#35240678)

    OK: What's my IP Address then?

    (You're "big on threats" but a big talker like you doesn't scare a fly!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Without that, you're not attacking me, period... lmao! So, tell us: What is my IP Address? apk

    1. Re:Threatening to attack my system? What's my IP?? by Americano · · Score: 1

      Again with the paranoid delusions.

      You must live in such a scary world.

  59. OK, WHAT IS MY IP ADDRESS BIG TALKER? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First of all: YOU? You couldn't attack my system, or anyone else's on your best day.

    However since you "talk such a big game" and make threats pussy?

    What's my IP Address??

    ---

    "I quoted the relevant definition of exactly what it was (not just a link). I win, you lose." - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @12:45PM (#35245410)

    You lose. You have been off topic here the entire time, troll. You called me names here repeatedly, and that makes you nothing more than an effete online name tosser, nothing more, and that also makes you quite guilty of ad hominem attacks on myself.

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "And why do you insist on asking if I'm making threats? I told you I wasn't, because if I was, you'd know it" - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @12:45PM (#35245410)

    Now the "big talker" isn't making threats? LOL, don't make me laugh again...

    Newsflash: You couldn't "attack me" on your best day, let alone minus my IP address... but since you TALK "SO BIG" earlier about it?

    Again - What's my IP Address??... watch the big talking bullshit artist run... apk

    1. Re:OK, WHAT IS MY IP ADDRESS BIG TALKER? by Americano · · Score: 1

      APK == OFF TOPIC TROLL.

  60. Show us your PHD in Psychiatry? How about CSC?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Again with the paranoid delusions." - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @12:50PM (#35245494)

    Do you have a PHD in Psychiatry, and a license to practice it? Have you administered a formal examination of myself to make that "sidewalk surgeon" prognosis??

    NO???

    I knew not. So you are now reduced to libelling myself as well.

    Do you even have a degree in Computer Science??

    Have you taken & passed LOGIC too???

    You on the latter here (strangely though never the former, but that's what Mac Fags are like, no minds) both here, but it appears you have done neither.

    Prove otherwise.

    APK

    P.S.=> No, to all of the above? Of course - you're an off topic ne'er-do-well troll... and we all know it! apk

    1. Re:Show us your PHD in Psychiatry? How about CSC?? by Americano · · Score: 1

      Don't need a PhD in psychiatry to diagnose you. Just good old-fashioned common sense, girlfriend.

      APK == OFF TOPIC TROLL!

  61. Show us a PHD in Psychiatry & proof you took L by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK, you seem intent on viewing every response of mine as a threat. Is it because you're a paranoid schizophrenic? Seek help. - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @12:49PM (#35245478)

    Care to show us your PHD in Psychiatry, since you made that prognosis of my "alleged mental condition"?

    Oh, that's right: YOU DON'T HAVE ONE (do you even have a college degree at all?)

    You're just a Mac Fag... lol! The last place OS!

    APK

    P.S.=> You're just another off topic wannabe clown I will amuse myself with here... lol! apk

  62. Prove you've taken LOGIC Americano (lol, U can't) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't even have a college degree, so, quit trying to play like "you know logic" when you haven't even taken it

    You're just another off topic trolling ad hominem attack using Mac Fag - A user of the last place so called Operating System (stolen from the BSD world).

    And, it's not an ad hominem attack after all, if what I say is true, and you?

    You're a mac fag, with no college degree, let alone logic.

    Go away now, ne'er-do-well.

  63. Quit trying to play smart, Mac Fag Americano by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask Americano the mac fag to produce proof of a college degree, for example. Americano doesn't have one, but he sure tries to "play smart" here on slashdot, like the typical "ne'er-do-well" he is. For pete's sake, Americano even uses a Mac. He's also just another "Mac Fag", lol.

  64. Show us proof of your college degree, MacFag! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask Americano to produce proof of a college degree, and watch him run from that. It's better than a wind up toy, lmao! Americano doesn't have a collegiate degree, but he sure tries to "play smart" here on slashdot, like the typical "ne'er-do-well" he is. For pete's sake, he even uses a Mac. He's also just another "Mac Fag", lol.

  65. Mac Fag why dont you just die of AIDS already. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seeing as how all you Mac Fags like you have AIDS, why don't you just do us a favor and die? You can quit trying to play "smart" here too. We know you can't produce proof of even an AAS to your name as far as collegiate degrees, so we know you not only do not know anything, but you're a poor penniless loser too because of it, you ne'er-do-well.

  66. Re:Show us a PHD in Psychiatry & proof you too by Americano · · Score: 1

    Prognosis is a term to describe a prediction of the "likely outcome of an illness." Diagnosis is a determination of what your illness is.

    What I offered was a speculative diagnosis, based on my observations of your behavior here. My prognosis is that you will die alone, unloved, probably of liver failure because you'll turn to alcohol to fill that deep void in your life that Slashdot and your Hosts file can't fill.

    See the difference?

    APK == OFF TOPIC TROLL!

  67. Re:Prove you've taken LOGIC Americano (lol, U can' by Americano · · Score: 1

    If a college degree is what gives you your mangled interpretations of "ad hominem," "prognosis," and other standard terms, I'm glad I'm not a graduate of whatever backwater troll factory you call your alma mater.

    I do, in fact, have a college degree. You're wrong on all counts, but you are providing a remarkable demonstration of ad hominem attacks on me, and also, an effective case study in pissing into the wind. I'll let you know when I write you up in JAMA, the specifics of your case are fascinating.

    APK == OFF TOPIC TROLL!

  68. Americano = another degreeless douche wannabe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I do, in fact, have a college degree" - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:22PM (#35247032)

    In what? Basket weaving?? LOL. Prove you have one then. It's simple enough to do if you actually do have one. I'd like to see proof you've actually taken LOGIC too. Have you?

    1. Re:Americano = another degreeless douche wannabe by Americano · · Score: 1

      I have no need to prove myself to you, you troll.

    2. Re:Americano = another degreeless douche wannabe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If I were attacking you, you'd know it." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

      Then, what's my IP address, Mac Fag? LOL... can't produce that even, and yet that "big talk" quoted above?? LMAO!

      ---

      "I have no need to prove myself to you, you troll." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

      LOL, as I suspected & knew to be true: You don't have a collegiate degree.

      APK

      P.S.=> You're a BIG TALKING "Mac Fag"... lol, but that's about it... apk

  69. Prove you have a degree then, douche by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We want proof you have a college degree. We want proof you've taken logic and even passed it. What's the matter ne'er-do-well? Running from proving those things are you?? Of course you are: You don't have them and you never did. We'd like to see proof of your CSC or CIS degree since you like being a MAC FAG so much too! You giving out any kind of diagnosis or prognosis is hilarious. Americano = the sidewalk surgeon of slashdot (with no degree, but he's an "expert" (lol, not)).

    1. Re:Prove you have a degree then, douche by Americano · · Score: 1

      "We"? What, you got a mouse in your pocket now?

      You don't know what an ad hominem argument is, you don't know what the difference between "diagnosis" and "prognosis" are, and you clearly have issues.

      Cry more troll. Cry more.

  70. What's my IP Address, big talking Mac Fag? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If I were attacking you, you'd know it." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    Then, what's my IP address, Mac Fag? LOL... can't produce that even, and yet that "big talk" quoted above?? LMAO!

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a BIG TALKING "Mac Fag"... lol, but that's about it... apk

    1. Re:What's my IP Address, big talking Mac Fag? by Americano · · Score: 1

      BOOOOOOORING.

  71. Americano FAILS at producing PROOFS? LMAO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If I were attacking you, you'd know it." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    Then, what's my IP address, Mac Fag? LOL...

    You can't produce that even, and yet that "big talk" quoted above??

    LMAO!

    ---

    "I have no need to prove myself to you, you troll." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    LOL, as I suspected & knew to be true: You don't have a collegiate degree. You're just another "mac fag"...

    APK

    1. Re:Americano FAILS at producing PROOFS? LMAO! by Americano · · Score: 1

      Wow, 2 posts that say the same thing, but which obviously aren't copies of one another. Are you having a psychotic break?

  72. Americano running from proving he took logic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If I were attacking you, you'd know it." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    Then, what's my IP address, Mac Fag? LOL... can't produce that even, and yet that "big talk" quoted above?? LMAO!

    ---

    "I have no need to prove myself to you, you troll." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    LOL, as I suspected & knew to be true: You don't have a collegiate degree.

    Prove you've even taken logic.

    (LOL, you can't!)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a BIG TALKING "Mac Fag"... lol, but that's about it... Mac Fags, they're all the same: Lots of talk, no proof, ever... apk

    1. Re:Americano running from proving he took logic? by Americano · · Score: 1

      Now you're just flapping your gums to hear yourself talk. Hope you enjoy it, you off-topic troll!

  73. Americano prove to us you have a degree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless you really do not have one, and you have just been lying to all of us at slashdot this entire time you have been here. I have seen it before. It would not surprise me out of you. It would also explain why you avoid proving you have one to your name.

    1. Re:Americano prove to us you have a degree by Americano · · Score: 1

      Or it could be that I have nothing to prove to a raving lunatic whose sole source of excitement appears to be talking about how he edited a hosts file once.

      Fail more, APK.

  74. Prove you have a college degree Mac Fag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I do, in fact, have a college degree" - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:22PM (#35247032)

    Prove it. Show us a degree in Computer Science especially to your name. Show us you took logic too.

    ---

    "I have no need to prove myself to you, you troll." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    LOL, as I suspected & knew to be true: You don't have a collegiate degree. Tell us what school, then, and your name that's on this degree (the one you don't have), ok?

    (Watch Mac Fag Americano "dance" folks!)

    ---

    "If I were attacking you, you'd know it." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    Then, what's my IP address, Mac Fag? LOL... can't produce that even, and yet that "big talk" quoted above?? LMAO!

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a BIG TALKING "Mac Fag"... lol, but that's about it... apk

    1. Re:Prove you have a college degree Mac Fag by Americano · · Score: 1

      YAWN.

      You finished?

  75. See Americano flap his gums, hahahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I do, in fact, have a college degree " - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:22PM (#35247032)

    Prove it. Show us a degree in Computer Science especially to your name. Show us you took logic too.

    ---

    "I have no need to prove myself to you, you troll." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    LOL, as I suspected & knew to be true: You don't have a collegiate degree. Tell us what school, then, and your name that's on this degree (the one you don't have), ok?

    (Watch Mac Fag Americano "dance" folks!)

    ---

    "If I were attacking you, you'd know it." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    Then, what's my IP address, Mac Fag? LOL... can't produce that even, and yet that "big talk" quoted above?? LMAO!

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a BIG TALKING "Mac Fag"... lol, but that's about it... apk

  76. You fail at proving your own words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I do, in fact, have a college degree" - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:22PM (#35247032)

    Prove it. Show us a degree in Computer Science especially to your name. Show us you took logic too.

    ---

    "I have no need to prove myself to you, you troll." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    LOL, as I suspected & knew to be true: You don't have a collegiate degree. Tell us what school, then, and your name that's on this degree (the one you don't have), ok?

    (Watch Mac Fag Americano "dance" folks!)

    ---

    "If I were attacking you, you'd know it." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    Then, what's my IP address, Mac Fag? LOL... can't produce that even, and yet that "big talk" quoted above?? LMAO!

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a BIG TALKING "Mac Fag"... lol, but that's about it... I love it: You opened your big mouth, only to insert your own foot (because I could say I am Barack Obama, the same as you said you went to college). We already KNOW you haven't taken logic, so you have been talking out your piehole here, the WHOLE time... that makes sense, why actual LOGIC wouldn't get thru to you (you have no clue in it, lol)... apk

    1. Re:You fail at proving your own words by Americano · · Score: 1

      I have nothing to prove to you. And why are you so insistent on me being a "fag" - hoping to score? Sorry to disappoint you, APK, but, psychotic and male isn't exactly my type.

  77. Time to backup your words Mac Fag (college degree) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I do, in fact, have a college degree" - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:22PM (#35247032)

    Prove it. Show us a degree in Computer Science especially to your name. Show us you took logic too.

    ---

    "I have no need to prove myself to you, you troll." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    LOL, as I suspected & knew to be true: You don't have a collegiate degree. Tell us what school, then, and your name that's on this degree (the one you don't have), ok?

    (Watch Mac Fag Americano "dance" folks!)

    ---

    "If I were attacking you, you'd know it." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    Then, what's my IP address, Mac Fag? LOL... can't produce that even, and yet that "big talk" quoted above?? LMAO!

    APK

    P.S.=> This is utterly hilarious watching "Mac Fag", Americano, dance (because he has been caught lying, as he cannot backup his words quoted above)... apk

  78. LMAO yes you do (prove U took logic, & your wo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I do, in fact, have a college degree" - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:22PM (#35247032)

    Prove it. Show us a degree in Computer Science especially to your name. Show us you took logic too. I could say I was Barack Obama too, you know.

    ---

    "I have no need to prove myself to you, you troll." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    LOL, as I suspected & knew to be true: ,b>You don't have a collegiate degree.

    So please - backup your big talk, & do tell us what school, then, and your name that's on this degree (the one you don't have), ok?

    (Watch Mac Fag Americano "dance" folks!)

    ---

    "If I were attacking you, you'd know it" - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    Then, what's my IP address, Mac Fag? LOL... can't produce that even!

    (and yet that "big talk" quoted above?? LMAO!)

    APK

    P.S.=> This is utterly hilarious and highly amusing. The troll Americano can not only not take being re-trolled, but he can't backup his own words quoted above. ,b>Americano - You proven 1 thing: You're a BIG TALKING "Mac Fag"... lol, but that's about it... apk

  79. Americano LIED about having a college degree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I do, in fact, have a college degree" - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:22PM (#35247032)

    Prove it. Show us a degree in Computer Science especially to your name. Show us you took logic too. I could say I was Barack Obama too, you know.

    ---

    "I have no need to prove myself to you, you troll." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    LOL, as I suspected & knew to be true: You don't have a collegiate degree.

    So please - backup your big talk, & do tell us what school, then, and your name that's on this degree (the one you don't have), ok?

    (Watch Mac Fag Americano "dance" folks!)

    ---

    "If I were attacking you, you'd know it" - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    Then, what's my IP address, Mac Fag? LOL... You, for all your big talk quoted above, just can't seem to produce that even to back up your words.

    (and yet that "big talk" quoted above was from YOU?? LMAO!)

    APK

    P.S.=> This is utterly hilarious and highly amusing. The troll Americano can not only not take being re-trolled, but he can't backup his own words quoted above. Americano - You proven 1 thing: You're a BIG TALKING "Mac Fag"... lol, but that's about it... apk

    1. Re:Americano LIED about having a college degree? by Americano · · Score: 1

      No, I will not date you.

  80. Americano LIED about having a college degree? LOL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I do, in fact, have a college degree" - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:22PM (#35247032)

    Prove it. Show us a degree in Computer Science especially to your name. Show us you took logic too. I could say I was Barack Obama too, you know.

    ---

    "I have no need to prove myself to you, you troll." - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    LOL, as I suspected & knew to be true: You don't have a collegiate degree.

    So please - backup your big talk, & do tell us what school, then, and your name that's on this degree (the one you don't have), ok?

    (Watch Mac Fag Americano "dance" folks!)

    ---

    "If I were attacking you, you'd know it" - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    Then, what's my IP address, Mac Fag? LOL... You, for all your big talk quoted above, just can't seem to produce that even to back up your words.

    (and yet that "big talk" quoted above was from YOU?? LMAO!)

    APK

    P.S.=> This is utterly hilarious and highly amusing. The troll Americano can not only not take being re-trolled, but he can't backup his own words quoted above. Americano - You proven 1 thing: You're a BIG TALKING "Mac Fag"... lol, but that's about it... apk

  81. Americano LIED about having a college degree? LOL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I do, in fact, have a college degree" - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:22PM (#35247032)

    Prove it. Show us a degree in Computer Science to your name. Show us you took logic too. I could say I was Barack Obama too, you know.

    ---

    "I have no need to prove myself to you " - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    LOL, as I suspected & knew to be true: You don't have a collegiate degree.

    So please - backup your big talk, & do tell us what school, then, and your name that's on this degree (the one you don't have), ok?

    (Watch Mac Fag Americano "dance" folks!)

    ---

    "If I were attacking you, you'd know it " - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    Then, what's my IP address, Mac Fag? LOL... You, for all your big talk quoted above, just can't seem to produce that even to back up your words.

    (and yet that "big talk" quoted above was from YOU?? LMAO!)

    APK

    P.S.=> This is utterly hilarious and highly amusing. The troll Americano can not only not take being re-trolled, but he can't backup his own words quoted above. Americano - You proven 1 thing: You're a BIG TALKING "Mac Fag"... lol, but that's about it... apk

  82. Re:Americano LIED about having a college degree? L by Americano · · Score: 1

    you just want my name so you can look me up and try to seduce me. No thanks, brah.

  83. Re:LMAO yes you do (prove U took logic, & your by Americano · · Score: 1

    Sorry to disappoint, bro. Got a date, you'll have to amuse yourself for the rest of the night!

  84. Americano can't backup his own statements? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I do, in fact, have a college degree" - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:22PM (#35247032)

    Prove it. Show us a degree in Computer Science to your name. Show us you took logic too. I could say I was Barack Obama too, you know.

    ---

    " I have no need to prove myself to you " - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    LOL, as I suspected & knew to be true: You don't have a collegiate degree.

    So please - backup your big talk, & do tell us what school, then, and your name that's on this degree (the one you don't have), ok?

    (Watch Mac Fag Americano "dance" folks!)

    ---

    "If I were attacking you, you'd know it " - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    Then, what's my IP address, Mac Fag? LOL... You, for all your big talk quoted above, just can't seem to produce that even to back up your words.

    (and yet that "big talk" quoted above was from YOU?? LMAO!)

    APK

    P.S.=> This is utterly hilarious and highly amusing. The troll Americano can not only not take being re-trolled, but he can't backup his own words quoted above. Americano - You proven 1 thing: You're a BIG TALKING "Mac Fag"... lol, but that's about it... apk

  85. Americano lies about having a college degree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I do, in fact, have a college degree" - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:22PM (#35247032)

    Prove it. Show us a degree in Computer Science to your name. Show us you took logic too!

    I could say I was Barack Obama too, you know.

    ---

    "I have no need to prove myself to you " - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    LOL, as I suspected & knew to be true: You don't have a collegiate degree.

    So please - backup your big talk, & do tell us what school, then, and your name that's on this degree (the one you don't have), ok?

    (Watch Mac Fag Americano "dance" folks!)

    ---

    "If I were attacking you, you'd know it " - by Americano (920576) on Thursday February 17, @09:24PM (#35240248)

    Then, what's my IP address, Mac Fag? LOL... You, for all your big talk quoted above, just can't seem to produce that even to back up your words.

    (and yet that "big talk" quoted above was from YOU?? LMAO!)

    APK

    P.S.=> This is utterly hilarious and highly amusing. The troll Americano can not only not take being re-trolled, but he can't backup his own words quoted above. Americano - You proven 1 thing: You're a BIG TALKING "Mac Fag"... lol, but that's about it... apk

  86. Fatboy, We've seen your pudgy face (kbpease) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/126/26720893.jpg and you getting a date you didn't pay for? She's gotta be either BEAT or a man... lmao!

    APK

    P.S.=> Lose some weight, you disgusting donut-boy... & now? Now I know who YOU are... apk

  87. Kevin B. Pease = AMERICANO ( & no CSC degree) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kevin B. Pease = AMERICANO from Merrimack New Hampshire - kbpease@hotmail.com

    ---

    Kevin B. Pease steals the code of others from books:

    http://www.justskins.com/forums/looking-for-inspiration-cascading-16594.html

    PERTINENT QUOTE EXCERPT:

    "Hi Garry, I think I have a script that will do exactly what you want, based on and I hope, improved...) a program in Lincoln Stein's "CGI.pm" book. The most notable change from his version is that I wrote in"

    ---

    Kevin B. Pease has others do his work for him:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iH45r7p9xV8J:www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/modperl/modperl/89045+kbpease&cd=21&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

    ---

    Kevin B. Pease has a MINOR only in CSC, for starters:

    http://www.linkedin.com/in/kbpease

    PERTINENT EXCERPT:

    Kevin Pease's Education
    Worcester Polytechnic Institute
    B.S., Biotechnology

    1993 â" 1998

    Minor: Computer Science

    ---

    Kevin B. Pease is a disgusting FATBOY that needs to lose weight BADLY:

    http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/126/26720893.jpg

    ---

    (Want more? You can't hide from me... & I also know you're from MERRIMACK New Hampshire - not too far away!)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a liar, because your "minor" is NOT a CSC degree, as you said here:

    "1) Degree in Biotechnology and Computer Science. (Did your troll factory offer dual majors, or just the standard "how to be an obnoxious twat on the internet" syllabus?)" - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:27PM (#35247076)

    From http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2001036&cid=35247076

    (Double major? b.s. - you did a MINOR at best/most & copying others' work, as seen above? LOL!)... apk

  88. Kevin B. Pease = AMERICANO (& no CSC degree (l by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kevin B. Pease = AMERICANO from Merrimack New Hampshire - kbpease@hotmail.com

    ---

    Kevin B. Pease steals the code of others from books:

    http://www.justskins.com/forums/looking-for-inspiration-cascading-16594.html

    PERTINENT QUOTE EXCERPT:

    "Hi Garry, I think I have a script that will do exactly what you want, based on and I hope, improved...) a program in Lincoln Stein's "CGI.pm" book. The most notable change from his version is that I wrote in"

    ---

    Kevin B. Pease has others do his work for him:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iH45r7p9xV8J:www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/modperl/modperl/89045+kbpease&cd=21&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

    ---

    Kevin B. Pease has a MINOR only in CSC, for starters:

    http://www.linkedin.com/in/kbpease

    PERTINENT EXCERPT:

    Kevin Pease's Education
    Worcester Polytechnic Institute
    B.S., Biotechnology

    1993 â" 1998

    Minor: Computer Science

    ---

    Kevin B. Pease is a disgusting FATBOY that needs to lose weight BADLY:

    http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/126/26720893.jpg

    ---

    (Want more? You can't hide from me... & I also know you're from MERRIMACK New Hampshire - not too far away!)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a liar, because your "minor" is NOT a CSC degree, as you said here:

    "1) Degree in Biotechnology and Computer Science. (Did your troll factory offer dual majors, or just the standard "how to be an obnoxious twat on the internet" syllabus?)" - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:27PM (#35247076)

    From http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2001036&cid=35247076

    (Double major? b.s. - you did a MINOR at best/most & copying others' work, as seen above? LOL!)... apk

  89. Sure have, YOU LIED about Dual Majors CSC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Me:
    1) Degree in Biotechnology and Computer Science. (Did your troll factory offer dual majors, or just the standard "how to be an obnoxious twat on the internet" syllabus?)"
    - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:27PM (#35247076)

    First of all, Kevin B. Pease = AMERICANO from Merrimack New Hampshire - kbpease@hotmail.com - YOU DID NOT GET A DOUBLE MAJOR!

    AMERICANO = Kevin B. Pease has a MINOR only in CSC, for starters:

    http://www.linkedin.com/in/kbpease

    PERTINENT EXCERPT:

    Kevin Pease's Education
    Worcester Polytechnic Institute
    B.S., Biotechnology

    1993 â" 1998

    Minor: Computer Science

    ---

    LMAO - it took you 6 YEARS to get a CSC MINOR? Rotflmao...

    ---

    (Want more people? Ok!)

    ---

    Kevin B. Pease steals the code of others from books:

    http://www.justskins.com/forums/looking-for-inspiration-cascading-16594.html [justskins.com]

    PERTINENT QUOTE EXCERPT:

    "Hi Garry, I think I have a script that will do exactly what you want, based on and I hope, improved...) a program in Lincoln Stein's "CGI.pm" book. The most notable change from his version is that I wrote in"

    ---

    Kevin B. Pease has others do his work for him:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iH45r7p9xV8J:www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/modperl/modperl/89045+kbpease&cd=21&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

    ---

    Kevin B. Pease steals the code of others from books:

    http://www.justskins.com/forums/looking-for-inspiration-cascading-16594.html

    PERTINENT QUOTE EXCERPT:

    "Hi Garry, I think I have a script that will do exactly what you want, based on and I hope, improved...) a program in Lincoln Stein's "CGI.pm" book. The most notable change from his version is that I wrote in"

    ---

    (That "takes the cake" - Not only did you LIE about "dual majors", but, lol, it TOOK YOU 6 YEARS TO GET A MINOR IN CSC as well... you're a JOKE! )

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I'd say I'm pretty much the winner in that comparison, friend." - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:27PM (#35247076)

    Americano, not only do I have an MIS minor but I also have an AAS in CSC (long done, now 94/120 credits into the FULL 4 yr. Bachelors' too) & these to my credit (& you can't even SCRATCH this list yourself):

    ---

    Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61

    (&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)

    PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there

    PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there

    CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there

    GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it

    HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!

    Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...

    Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPY

  90. Americano/Kevin B. Pease bused in lie (CSC major) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Me:
    1) Degree in Biotechnology and Computer Science. (Did your troll factory offer dual majors, or just the standard "how to be an obnoxious twat on the internet" syllabus?)"
    - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:27PM (#35247076)

    First of all, Kevin B. Pease = AMERICANO from Merrimack New Hampshire - kbpease@hotmail.com - YOU DID NOT GET A DOUBLE MAJOR!

    AMERICANO = Kevin B. Pease has a MINOR only in CSC, for starters:

    http://www.linkedin.com/in/kbpease

    PERTINENT EXCERPT:

    Kevin Pease's Education
    Worcester Polytechnic Institute
    B.S., Biotechnology

    1993 â" 1998

    Minor: Computer Science

    ---

    LMAO - it took you 6 YEARS to get a CSC MINOR? Rotflmao...

    ---

    (Want more people? Ok!)

    ---

    Kevin B. Pease steals the code of others from books:

    http://www.justskins.com/forums/looking-for-inspiration-cascading-16594.html [justskins.com]

    PERTINENT QUOTE EXCERPT:

    "Hi Garry, I think I have a script that will do exactly what you want, based on and I hope, improved...) a program in Lincoln Stein's "CGI.pm" book. The most notable change from his version is that I wrote in"

    ---

    Kevin B. Pease has others do his work for him:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iH45r7p9xV8J:www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/modperl/modperl/89045+kbpease&cd=21&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

    ---

    Kevin B. Pease/AMERICANO NEEDS TO LOSE WEIGHT (fatboy, lol!):

    http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/126/26720893.jpg

    (There's NO WAY you'll EVER get a date looking that way, pal, unless you PAY the woman!)

    ---

    (That "takes the cake" - Not only did you LIE about "dual majors", but, lol, it TOOK YOU 6 YEARS TO GET A MINOR IN CSC as well... you're a JOKE! )

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I'd say I'm pretty much the winner in that comparison, friend." - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:27PM (#35247076)

    Americano, not only do I have an MIS minor but I also have an AAS in CSC (long done, now 94/120 credits into the FULL 4 yr. Bachelors' too) & these to my credit (& you can't even SCRATCH this list yourself):

    ---

    Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61

    (&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)

    PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there

    PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there

    CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there

    GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it

    HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!

    Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...

    Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here -> http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ee926d913b81bf6d63c3c7372fd2a24c

  91. Americano quit responding when I caught his lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "So I don't think you got the best of him." - by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18, @10:03PM (#35251486)

    See here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1999478&cid=35254360

    Once I caught Americano LYING about his allegedly having a "double major", WITH A QUOTE OF HIM SAYING IT NO LESS (biotech & CSC "double major")?

    WELL... Turns out Americano only has a MINOR in CSC, & that's FAR from a CSC degree OR "double major" (I know, I have a minor in MIS from my 1st degree)!

    (Which explained WHY he cannot show he took logic when I asked him about it (because his ad hominem attacks on myself in this thread brought up logic, which he did NOT take)... & why he "steered clear" of actual technical things I put up here as evidence).

    APK

    P.S.=> I just used facts, & it got some of you Penguins so "frustrated" you had to "troll me"... too bad that NEVER works vs. facts I used, & have used in the past vs. you trolls, eh? Witness Americano running, as an example thereof... apk

  92. UnknowingFool ran due to Ramdisk & Latency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If you read anything he says, he ignores anything you write and posts irrelevant facts. And he goes ad ad hominem about it. Just read the stuff above about ramdisks. Pure idiocy." - by UnknowingFool (672806) on Thursday February 17, @07:52AM (#35230788)

    UnknowingFool said that, & I replied to another user on LATENCY ISSUES LSE was seeing, & what offsets that?

    http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1995760&cid=35217626

    (That was the day LSE finished putting up the MilleniumIT Linux based system... & in this exchange, 2 days later? LSE FELL ON ITS FACE ON LINUX!)

    SSD/Ramdisks do reduce latency (especially non FLASH based ones, if WRITES matter especially), & it's a POSSIBLE for that... see above!

    I know this from work I did as far back as 1996:

    ---

    Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61

    (&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).

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    Which has ONLY THE PAST COUPLE YEARS become more "mainstream"...

    (Your proof is above, & you can write Mr. Eric Dickman of SuperSpeed.com on it if you wish (he is their CEO, good guy - fun to work with actually even)).

    APK

    P.S.=> BOTTOM-LINE: UnknowingFool, just like a LOT of other "Linux Penguins" just couldn't STAND THE FACT THAT LSE FELL FLAT ON ITS FACE, 2nd DAY INTO THE JOB ON LINUX, period... apk

  93. Americano LIED on Double Major: See inside by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Me:
    1) Degree in Biotechnology and Computer Science. (Did your troll factory offer dual majors, or just the standard "how to be an obnoxious twat on the internet" syllabus?)"
    - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:27PM (#35247076)

    First of all, Kevin B. Pease = AMERICANO from Merrimack New Hampshire - kbpease@hotmail.com - YOU DID NOT GET A DOUBLE MAJOR!

    AMERICANO = Kevin B. Pease has a MINOR only in CSC, for starters:

    http://www.linkedin.com/in/kbpease

    PERTINENT EXCERPT:

    Kevin Pease's Education
    Worcester Polytechnic Institute
    B.S., Biotechnology

    1993 â" 1998

    Minor: Computer Science

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    LMAO - it took you 6 YEARS to get a CSC MINOR? Rotflmao...

    ---

    (Want more people? Ok!)

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    Kevin B. Pease steals the code of others from books:

    http://www.justskins.com/forums/looking-for-inspiration-cascading-16594.html [justskins.com]

    PERTINENT QUOTE EXCERPT:

    "Hi Garry, I think I have a script that will do exactly what you want, based on and I hope, improved...) a program in Lincoln Stein's "CGI.pm" book. The most notable change from his version is that I wrote in"

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    Kevin B. Pease has others do his work for him:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iH45r7p9xV8J:www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/modperl/modperl/89045+kbpease&cd=21&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

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    Kevin B. Pease/AMERICANO NEEDS TO LOSE WEIGHT (fatboy, lol!):

    http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/126/26720893.jpg

    (There's NO WAY you'll EVER get a date looking that way, pal, unless you PAY the woman!)

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    (That "takes the cake" - Not only did you LIE about "dual majors", but, lol, it TOOK YOU 6 YEARS TO GET A MINOR IN CSC as well... you're a JOKE! )

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I'd say I'm pretty much the winner in that comparison, friend." - by Americano (920576) on Friday February 18, @02:27PM (#35247076)

    Americano, not only do I have an MIS minor but I also have an AAS in CSC (long done, now 94/120 credits into the FULL 4 yr. Bachelors' too) & these to my credit (& you can't even SCRATCH this list yourself):

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    Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61

    (&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)

    PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there

    PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there

    CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there

    GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it

    HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!

    Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...

    Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here -> http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ee926d913b81bf6d63c3c7372fd2a24c

  94. LSE serving up malware now from Linux too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read 'em & weep Penguins:

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    London Stock Exchange Web Site Serving Malware:

    http://www.securityweek.com/london-stock-exchange-web-site-serving-malware

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    Let's see - so far, Linux has fallen onto its FACE only 2 days into the job, & now they're serving malwares too?

    Please...

    APK

    P.S.=> Need I say more? apk

  95. LSE serving up malware now too? LMAO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read 'em & weep Penguins:

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    London Stock Exchange Web Site Serving Malware:

    http://www.securityweek.com/london-stock-exchange-web-site-serving-malware

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    Let's see - so far, Linux has fallen onto its FACE only 2 days into the job, & now they're serving malwares too?

    Please...

    APK

    P.S.=> Need I say more? apk

  96. LSE serving up malware now too? LOL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    London Stock Exchange Web Site Serving Malware:

    http://www.securityweek.com/london-stock-exchange-web-site-serving-malware

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    "HOT OFF THE PRESSES", today...

    APK

    P.S.=> The "penguins" won't like this either, because not only did the London Stock Exchange FLOP after only 2 days on the job using Linux, but... it appears that it's been "hacked/cracked" also, just as I said it would be in my init. post here, and again, I didn't have to wait long... just like I didn't have to wait for LSE showing instability & mistakes in data ouputs, also (via malicious adbanners being inserted & served up to the general public as well)... apk

  97. LSE serving up malware now also? Hilarious! apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    London Stock Exchange Web Site Serving Malware:

    http://www.securityweek.com/london-stock-exchange-web-site-serving-malware

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    "HOT OFF THE PRESSES", today...

    APK

    P.S.=> The "penguins" won't like this either, because not only did the London Stock Exchange FLOP after only 2 days on the job using Linux, but... it appears that it's been "hacked/cracked" also, just as I said it would be in my init. post here, and again, I didn't have to wait long... just like I didn't have to wait for LSE showing instability & mistakes in data ouputs, also (via malicious adbanners being inserted & served up to the general public as well!)... apk

  98. LSE serving up malware now too, lol! apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    London Stock Exchange Web Site Serving Malware:

    http://www.securityweek.com/london-stock-exchange-web-site-serving-malware

    ---

    "HOT OFF THE PRESSES", today...

    APK

    P.S.=> The "penguins" won't like this either, because not only did the London Stock Exchange FLOP after only 2 days on the job using Linux, but... it appears that it's been "hacked/cracked" also, just as I said it would be in my init. post here, and again, I didn't have to wait long... just like I didn't have to wait for LSE showing instability & mistakes in data ouputs, also (via malicious adbanners being inserted & served up to the general public as well)... apk

  99. LSE now serving up malware too? LMAO! apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    London Stock Exchange Web Site Serving Malware:

    http://www.securityweek.com/london-stock-exchange-web-site-serving-malware

    ---

    "HOT OFF THE PRESSES", today...

    APK

    P.S.=> The "penguins" won't like this either, because not only did the London Stock Exchange FLOP after only 2 days on the job using Linux, but... it appears that it's been "hacked/cracked" also, just as I said it would be in my init. post here, and again, I didn't have to wait long... just like I didn't have to wait for LSE showing instability & mistakes in data ouputs, also (via malicious adbanners being inserted & served up to the general public as well)... apk

  100. LSE now serves malware too, lmao! apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    London Stock Exchange Web Site Serving Malware:

    http://www.securityweek.com/london-stock-exchange-web-site-serving-malware

    ---

    "HOT OFF THE PRESSES", today...

    APK

    P.S.=> The "penguins" won't like this either, because not only did the London Stock Exchange FLOP after only 2 days on the job using Linux, but... it appears that it's been "hacked/cracked" also, just as I said it would be in my init. post here, and again, I didn't have to wait long... just like I didn't have to wait for LSE showing instability & mistakes in data ouputs, also (via malicious adbanners being inserted & served up to the general public as well)... apk

  101. LSE serving up malware now too, LMAO! apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LSE Web Site Serving Malware:

    http://www.securityweek.com/london-stock-exchange-web-site-serving-malware

    ---

    "HOT OFF THE PRESSES", today...

    APK

    P.S.=> The "penguins" won't like this either, because not only did the London Stock Exchange FLOP after only 2 days on the job using Linux, but... it appears that it's been "hacked/cracked" also, as I stated it would be on BOTH accounts no less in my posts here this week (this time? It's via malicious adbanners being inserted & served up to the general public as well)... apk