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Salt Lake City To Launch Mobile Payment System
jitendraharlalka writes "According to The Register: 'Operator consortium Isis has selected Salt Lake City as its flagship deployment to show the rest of the USA what NFC can do for them. The plan will see Salt Lake City's public transport system accepting pay-by-wave from a mobile phone by the middle of next year. Retailers have also been encouraged to adopt Near Field Communications technology at the point of sale, as Salt Lake City strives to become The Place You Can Leave Your Wallet At Home. The Utah Transit Authority already uses proximity payment cards, deployed in 2009, so adding NFC functionality to public transport is a matter of software not hardware.'"
Japan's been doing this for quite some time now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FeliCa
I get news about changes in the city where I live from a British news source? Something is wrong with this...
makes it easier for the thieves to get around. Steal a phone and run to the bus and wave the phone on entry.. Shell/Texaco tried that with their stations to just wave a little keychain thing. I never saw that get popular and personally I would never use such a thing. It is just not secure and can be misused by others.
Public transit made the dollar coin relevant again - take it away and the dollar coin becomes a novelty, again.
I think if something like this payment by wave thing becomes common then we can expect hacks where people are charged without even knowing it, at some point.
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I for one cannot wait to use your phone to make my purchases.
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So if I write something sufficiently sophisticated, I can bill everyone I walk past for a few cents.... NIIIICE!!!
HDGary secures my bank
In Japan, everybody has a portable phone, all the phones have id-chips in them, and everybody already uses their phone to pay for the subway. They've been doing this for years and years, now. The only way we could possibly do any better is if you could use your phone like a Visa card. That would require all POS card readers to recognize the chips in the phones. A huge upgrade we wouldn't have to make if we had been doing it the way the Japanese have been doing it for years now.
But the most important question, will this be online by May 21st?
and for that, I would refuse it.
slippery slope that makes travel less anonymous.
I just don't like this trend. neither do I like it when they *assume* you carry a phone.
(and no, I don't.)
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There, fixed it for you.
Does that mean purchases end up on my phone bill, or my phone is tied into my bank? Or would there just add an additional monthly bill I'd have to pay?
I don't trust that AT&T won't add an additional 'fee' to every purchase I make.
Reverse Engineering a real-world RFID payment system:
http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/events/4036.en.html
Video of the presentation (in English)
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$10 says that after they roll this out to the rest of the country we rapidly find out that nobody noticed the system doesn't work for buying alcohol
I used it there in Feb on the buses up to the ski resorts. My son works for a bank and test used a swipe phone two years ago. When people behind him in line saw it, they all asked, "Where can I get one?" Expect it will be the norm in a few years.
I get news about changes in the city where I live from a British news source? Something is wrong with this...
'allo Mum!
And I don't just mean that figuratively.
If one of these goes on the fritz because some drunk pounds it with a rebar he found lying on the road, it's going to strand commuters.
On the other hand, since it doesn't involve any sort of slot to insert or swipe anything, that's one less point of weakness. You can plant the NFC transceiver behind an inch of HDPE (plastic decking, e.g.) and it'll never feel a thing.
The ticket-printer slot is still going to be there. Unless the ticket is also electronic and someone wanting to check it can NFC your phone to know if you're riding privileges are intact.
...but don't forget your expensive smartphone.
Pihk-lee-wah?
Pie-klie-wah?
I prefer the first choice.
Glad I got a chance to use NYC tokens when they still existed. You could use them on the subway or the bus. One token took you anywhere, at least in Manhattan. I never left the island while I was there for a week. That's how it ought to be. Fuck this tracking crap. It's all just to force you to get a dumbphone. I refuse to call it a smart phone. It's a dumbphone, because technological lockin is dumb. Fuck it.
I'd prefer that the cell phone require I enter a pin number before it activates the wireless chip that allows it to be read.
I'd prefer the phone prompt with the vendor and amount on-screen.
Bonus points if they use PKI to verify the vendor and amount.
Salt Lake City strives to become The Place You Can Leave Your Wallet At Home.
excuse me, just who the fuck do you think you are?
you think you're a free man?
LET'S SEE SOME GOVERNMENT ID, SERF.
Well, except for you driver's license, state id, national id, selective service card, social security card, and g*d knows what else.
I wouldn't trust them with my money. Remember the Mountain Meadows Massacre
s finally shown the light (and a sinker) by Dave Duncan. Pineiro learned that he just couldn't put hitters away like he used to, so he focused instead on pitching to contact and pounding the strike zone. Obviously Kazmir doesn't have a sinker or pinpoint command to rely on, but he would still be wise to follow Pineiro's lead. So I say Kazmir needs chaussures air max bw to give up on going for the K, which leads to him nibbling at the corners trying to get batters to chase bad pitches, and flip the script by aggressively attacking batters to get them to at least put the ball in play and earn their way on base, rather than walking. That approach won't earn him any All-Star selections, but it could make him the next Randy Wolf. Maybe that is damning him with feint praise, but Wolf, though lackluster, has had a long career
The concept sounds cool, but if all you have to do is get close the phone close enough to the scanner it seems easy enough for someone to walk around a crowded street and charge everyone they pass.
Time to get a Faraday cage cell phone bag to prevent random unauthorized charges if I happen to walk in the wrong place. That would kind of defeat the purpose of the phone though if nobody can contact me... FML.