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DNS Heavyweights Raise Concern Over DNS Filtering
penciling_in writes "A group of DNS heavyweights have released a paper detailing serious concerns over the proposed DNS filtering requirements included as part of the bill recently introduced in the US Senate named Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act of 2011 (PROTECT IP Act). The group which includes Paul Vixie, Dan Kaminsky, Steve Crocker, David Dagon and Danny McPherson, have detailed several serious technical and security concerns in the event that the mandated DNS filtering is enacted into law. Dan Kaminsky says: 'There are efforts afoot to manipulate the DNS on a remarkably large scale. The American PROTECT IP act contains several reasonable and well targeted remedies to copyright infringement. One of these remedies, however, is to leverage the millions of recursive DNS servers that act as accelerators for Internet traffic, and convert them into censors for domain names in an effort to block content.'"
Didn't anyone warn them that just blocking a domain name doesn't work?
Extreme Programming - Redundant Array of Inexpensive Developers
And what's to stop people from using a DNS server that's outside the US? Or even just punching in the IP address directly?
Personally, I periodically rotate what DNS servers I use (Norton DNS, Google DNS, ScrubIT DNS, & OpenDNS)... but, DNS has ISSUES (no "NEW News" there of course):
20++ ADVANTAGES OF HOSTS FILES OVER DNS SERVERS &/or ADBLOCK ALONE for added layered security:
1.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program).
2.) Bad news: ADBLOCK CAN BE DETECTED FOR: See here on that note -> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/why-ad-blocking-is-devastating-to-the-sites-you-love.ars
HOSTS files are NOT BLOCKABLE by websites, as was tried on users by ARSTECHNICA (and it worked, proving HOSTS files are a better solution for this because they cannot be blocked & detected for, in that manner), to that websites' users' dismay:
PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT FROM ARSTECHNICA THEMSELVES:
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An experiment gone wrong - By Ken Fisher | Last updated March 6, 2010 11:11 AM
http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/why-ad-blocking-is-devastating-to-the-sites-you-love.ars
"Starting late Friday afternoon we conducted a 12 hour experiment to see if it would be possible to simply make content disappear for visitors who were using a very popular ad blocking tool. Technologically, it was a success in that it worked. Ad blockers, and only ad blockers, couldn't see our content."
and
"Our experiment is over, and we're glad we did it because it led to us learning that we needed to communicate our point of view every once in a while. Sure, some people told us we deserved to die in a fire. But that's the Internet!"
Thus, as you can see? Well - THAT all "went over like a lead balloon" with their users in other words, because Arstechnica was forced to change it back to the old way where ADBLOCK still could work to do its job (REDDIT however, has not, for example). However/Again - this is proof that HOSTS files can still do the job, blocking potentially malscripted ads (or ads in general because they slow you down) vs. adblockers like ADBLOCK!
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3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF, Hosts files do. THIS IS GOOD VS. SPAM MAIL or MAILS THAT BEAR MALICIOUS SCRIPT, or, THAT POINT TO MALICIOUS SCRIPT VIA URLS etc.
4.) Adblock won't get you to your favorite sites if a DNS server goes down or is DNS-poisoned, hosts will (this leads to points 4-7 next below).
5.) Adblock doesn't allow you to hardcode in your favorite websites into it so you don't make DNS server calls and so you can avoid tracking by DNS request logs, hosts do (DNS servers are also being abused by the Chinese lately and by the Kaminsky flaw -> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082908-kaminsky-flaw-prompts-dns-server.html for years now). Hosts protect against those problems via hardcodes of your fav sites (you should verify against the TLD that does nothing but cache IPAddress-to-domainname/hostname resolutions via NSLOOKUP, PINGS, &/or WHOIS though, regularly, so you have the correct IP & it's current)).
6.) HOSTS files protect you vs. DNS-poisoning &/or the Kaminsky flaw in DNS servers, and allow you to get to sites reliably vs. things like the Chinese are doing to DNS -> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/11/29/1755230/Chinese-DNS-Tampering-a-Real-Threat-To-Outsiders
7.) HOSTS files will allow you to get to sites you like, via hardcoding
I guess it's time to get a read done of this nonsense and the see if I can't straighten my own elected officials out about how the tech works... *sigh*
Great... it's the HOSTS file spamming nutcase again.
great firewall of america?
I think you greatly overestimate the technological literacy of the average American. Most people aren't going to have a clue how to change their DNS servers, but even for those who do understand how to get around such restrictions, this is still disturbing. This is just a way for government to get its foot in the door. Soon, they'll be mandating to ISPs which DNS servers their clients are allowed to use, and what IP ranges are 'legal' to access on the internet. Maybe I should just take off the tinfoil hat and relax, but I can't see how government getting involved in legislating the internet in ANY way is a good thing.
It's time to move away from centralized DNS, we can't leave the internet in the hands of the government. We need a compatible distributed DNS system.
Error 403: Forbidden
Please be aware that copyright infringement is illegal. A copyright enforcement specialist will be contacting you shortly to schedule your mandatory attendance to one of our copyright education seminars.
Is the "best you've got" an ad hominem attack, in poorly attempting to attack MYSELF, rather than the 20++ points I listed with backing facts behind them?
* Apparently so...
Fact is?? You're the one with "delusions of grandeur" thinking you're the "/. 'SiDeWaLk-PsYcHoAnALySt" around here (see my p.s. below in regards to that much especially).
APK
P.S.=> That said? Do you have:
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1.) A PHD in Psychiatry to your name/credit?
2.) A license to practice it professionally??
3.) Years-to-Decades of professional experience in the field of psychiatry???
4.) A formal examination of myself in a professional environs to make your "instant snap prognosis" of my alleged mental state according to you, the "/. SiDeWaLk PsYcHo-AnALySt"????
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No to ALL/EACH of the above????? Well, then no small wonder WHY you troll me anonymously - you're LIBELLING me!
Well, that "all said & aside" - LMAO @ U, troll!
... apk
>Great... it's the HOSTS file spamming nutcase again.
I would say we should block him, but if he's using a HOSTS file, DNS Censorship won't work.
We need a different solution. Content-based censorship, maybe? That would work. More intrusive though.
*sigh* why does protecting liberties always mean protecting nutcases?
a HOSTS-tard.
I'm curious how often the HOSTS-tard updates the hundreds of millions of entries in his gigabytes-large HOSTS file
They don't matter. They haven't paid the requisite Campaign Contribution necessary for their opinions to be considered.
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2188228&cid=36252924
APK
P.S.=> Apparently, my list of 20++ points, backed by solid facts which are verifiable from valid reputable sources are "too much" for the trolls around /. to disprove on technical grounds, as per usual!
So, they have to TRY to resort to the "std. troll trick"/disinformation protocol tactics they use (old stale crap, always saying others are "crazy" etc./et al)!
It's hilarious... mainly of these TRUE AC cowards thinking they're "The /. SiDeWaLk-PsYcHoAnALySts" with their own "delusions of grandeur", & lmao, lacking PHD's in Psychiatry, licenses to practice or dispense their prognosis/diagnosis, or years to decades of professional practice in it, as well as a formal professionally administered examination of myself to determine my alleged mental state according to they (wannabe head shink quacks, lol)!
... apk
See this URL below, "rinse, lather, & repeat" until you can attacks its points, rather than myself ala "ad hominem" attack:
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2188228&cid=36252924
* Drink that in, & digest it... because if the "best you've got" is an ad hominem attack of myself rather than my points & disproving them on a technical level? U FAIL!
LMAO @ U, troll... just "too, Too, TOO EASILY - just '2EZly'"...
APK
P.S.=> Apparently, my list of 20++ points, backed by solid facts which are verifiable from valid reputable sources are "too much" for the trolls around /. to disprove on technical grounds, as per usual!
So, they have to TRY to resort to the "std. troll trick"/disinformation protocol tactics they use (old stale crap, always saying others are "crazy" etc./et al)!
It's hilarious... mainly of these TRUE AC cowards thinking they're "The /. SiDeWaLk-PsYcHoAnALySts" with their own "delusions of grandeur", & lmao, lacking PHD's in Psychiatry, licenses to practice or dispense their prognosis/diagnosis, or years to decades of professional practice in it, as well as a formal professionally administered examination of myself to determine my alleged mental state according to they (wannabe head shink quacks, lol)!
... apk
http://www.malwaredomains.com/
https://zeustracker.abuse.ch/monitor.php?filter=online
https://spyeyetracker.abuse.ch/monitor.php
http://hosts-file.net/?s=Download
http://www.malware.com.br/lists.shtml
http://www.malwareurl.com/
http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
http://hostsfile.org/hosts.html
http://hostsfile.mine.nu/downloads/
http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/
http://www.stopbadware.org/
http://blocklistpro.com/download-center/view-details/blocklist-pro-blocklists-mirror/1632-hosts.zip.html
Spybot "Search & Destroy" IMMUNIZE feature (fortifies HOSTS files with KNOWN
bad servers blocked)
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html
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"You ARE a spamming nutbag" - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:21PM (#36252958) Homepage
Oh, really? Do you have your:
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1.) A PHD in Psychiatry to your name/credit?
2.) A license to practice it professionally??
3.) Years-to-Decades of professional experience in the field of psychiatry???
4.) A formal examination of myself in a professional environs to make your "instant snap prognosis" of my alleged mental state according to you, the "/. SiDeWaLk PsYcHo-AnALySt"????
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No to ALL/EACH of the above????? So much for THAT "ad hominem" effete attempt on your part directed MY way then, eh??????
I.E.-> You personally just don't have the credentials to make your assessments in calling me a nutbag, period. In fact, you're libelling me in doing so... don't you KNOW that?????? There's LAWS against it you fool!
Instead - Why don't you attempt to attack the 20 points in favor of HOSTS files I put out??????
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Oh, that's right - YOU ALSO SAID THIS:
"although you're right about hosts files" - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:21PM (#36252958) Homepage
That's right I am RIGHT... always am!
APK
P.S.=> Take your pick... I just happen to consolidate them ALL, into 1 file here (via a PyThon script engine that does so every 15 minutes, removing duplicates/normalizing it, and alphabetically sorting them also, & changing the larger + slower 127.0.0.1 loopback address (slower due to loopback ops) to the faster & smaller + most compatible 0.0.0.0 blackhole address instead)... apk
And where can I apply?
This root key would have to be generated and signed in some kind of ceremony, maybe with people wearing viking hats and carrying swords and torches, and the resulting public validation key would have to be published on the web and managed according to RFC 5011 so that it can roll forward throughout all time. Videos from this ceremony would go up on YouTube.
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20110318_on_mandated_content_blocking_in_the_domain_name_system/
Well, y'all can stop worrying now. It appears the Protect IP bill won't even be making it to the senate floor, thanks to Senator Ron Wyden (Ore). Check out the story over on Ars http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/05/sen-ron-wyden-to-place-a-hold-on-the-protect-ip-act.ars
Sending spam is legal, ethical, and basically a good thing
Via a PyThon script, that does the following:
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1.) Removes duplicates/normalizing the HOSTS file
2.) Alphabetizes it
3.) Changes the larger & slower 127.0.0.1 loopback adapter std. address MOST hosts files use typically, opting for the smaller & FASTER read in (and with no loopback, pure "blackholing" only) 0.0.0.0 address!
4.) It also removes any # comments that bloat hosts, along with "trailing nulls or blanks" many have that additionally bloat the HOSTS file.
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Once she's read up into the DNS client cache (must turn this off for large ones like mine, currently @ 1,017,970++ entries strong), OR, into the local DISKCACHE (since it's just a filtering file for the IP Stack)?
She's fast as nobody's business!
APK
P.S.=> That's how I do it, & all that, & from these reputable & reliable sources for HOSTS file data vs. adbanners &/or KNOWN bad sites/servers/hosts-domain names:
http://www.malwaredomains.com/
https://zeustracker.abuse.ch/monitor.php?filter=online
https://spyeyetracker.abuse.ch/monitor.php
http://hosts-file.net/?s=Download
http://www.malware.com.br/lists.shtml
http://www.malwareurl.com/
http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
http://hostsfile.org/hosts.html
http://hostsfile.mine.nu/downloads/
http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/
http://www.stopbadware.org/
http://blocklistpro.com/download-center/view-details/blocklist-pro-blocklists-mirror/1632-hosts.zip.html
Spybot "Search & Destroy" IMMUNIZE feature (fortifies HOSTS files with KNOWN
bad servers blocked):
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html
& it works... even many slashdotters use them, by the by, & my list of 20++ points in favor of HOSTS files quotes their results as well (for some "peer evidences" from the likes of your fellow posters on this website in fact, in addition to myself).
... apk
Cool thing is, you can refer to everything on the internet with your own naming convention.
/etc/hosts
for foo in `seq 0 255`; do
for bar in `seq 0 255`; do
for bin in `seq 0 255`; do
for baz in `seq 0 255`; do
echo "$foo.$bar.$bin.$baz www${RANDOM}"; >>
done
done
done
done
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P.R.O.T.E.C.T How much time and money is wasted on just coming up with an acronym like that?
MISSING - Sig file. 2 years old black and white and very funny. If found please email me.
How long before control of the Internet moves out of the US?
I can't see anyone else putting up with this, which means that root DNS servers or a competing technology will end up supporting the Internet from somewhere outside the US.
The US is well on it's way to becoming an environment hostile to business (and to it's own people). At least in Soviet Russia the people had the good sense to realize that they were being manipulated.
Does this mean that if I have a HOSTS file, I have to filter through it, too?
What if that HOSTS file is for an enterprise?
What if that HOSTS file is published on the Internet for others to use?
What about Ad-Blocking software that uses a system like HOSTS? If it is capable of blocking DNS, will it then be required to block censored hosts as well?
What about VPN? Which side of the connection is reponsible?
What about Cache? Will there be a mandate that all DNS cache's everywhere only last for X amount of hours?
Beyond the level of the ISP, this presents an unworkable situation if any of these start applying to individuals, publishers (can free speech protect the publication of a HOSTS file, if so, why does it not protect a DNS server?), small organizations. The problem isn't just that this is wrong, but it's completely unworkable. It requires a very intrusive and extensive hack of the entire system currently in place, affecting everything from the router to the PC to the cellphone... unless, of course, the government runs its own firewall/dns that everyone shares, just like China.
I8-D
What a joke PROTECT IP is. Going after DNS just like blaming cities because the traffic light system doesn't prevent speeding.
And, above ALL ELSE FROM YOU? Thank you for this ADMISSION of my being correct on HOSTS files from you, a direct quote:
"although you're right about hosts files" - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:21PM (#36252958) Homepage
So, that said (& I didn't do the SAYING, you did)? Well... lol, so much for your attempts @ "adhominem attacks" on myself, rather than the 20 points I put out in favor of HOSTS files, eh??
As to the rest of your adhominem effete attack attempts, especially minus professional psychiatric credentials on your part?
New NEWS/NewsFlash:
NOBODY respects those... they are ILLOGICAL!
APK
P.S.=> Nothing like letting a troll defeat himself with his OWN words, nothing... lol!
"You can see that the community does not want to see what you have to say but persist anyway" - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:59PM (#36253548) Homepage
Speaking for "EVERYONE", now? Please... talk about giving one's self "self-importance"! Who elected YOU the "spokesperson of /.", hmmm?? Nobody!
(So much for that, lol!)
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"If the community is uninterested enough in what you have to say to score you down consistently such that you must post as an AC to express your message, then perhaps you are simply sharing sociopathy with the rest of us?
Here's a "little tidbit" on how "interested & threatened parties" ATTEMPT to handle people like me, in regards to what YOU SAID, vs. what this respected Open SORES person said:
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
... apk
Yeah, good luck. We went from Net Neutrality to this! With Net Neutrality they were saying, "Oh, leave it alone, it works fine. Don't force companies to not favor one site over another with premium QOS bandwidth." Now they're saying, "Stick it deep, as deep as possible, into the core of the Internet itself and control it all one record at a time!"
Where are the Libertarians railing against Net Neutrality when you need them to rail against this? If any of you are one, I hope you bring this comparison up LOUD and CLEAR to anti-net neutrality people who are now siding with DNS censoring that they are hypocrites. Either you mean it when you say you are hands off, or you don't.
I8-D
Oh cool, another US IT stimulation bill for Canada and Mexico.
Congratulations. The US Senate has just guaranteed that the DNS will fracture. Nice going guys and gals. :(
Don't stop where the ink does.
Do you have that M.D.?? Well???
(Hell no, and we ALL know it!)
APK
P.S.=> So much for the "pseudo-experts" on /., eh, what with their "wannabe sidewalk-shrink" tactics... lol! apk
Or take your ADHD meds or whatever it would require for you to understand and digest what's being said then, ok?
(So, see?? I can play "sidewalk-PsyChOAnaLySt" too... not that that makes me correct on it, anymore than you were trying to 'adhominem' attack me, instead of my 20 points in favor of HOSTS files usage over DNS Servers &/or AdBlock alone!)
Now, in regards to your "personal opinion" of how someone ought to post - are YOU the "expert on posting"? Do you speak for EVERYONE?? No on both counts!
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"It's intrusive and any sane person would call it spam no matter how right you are." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 26, @02:34PM (#36254026)
Ah... but RIGHT I AM, period, and others like drinkypoo here HAD to admit it...
Also - Can YOU actually PROVE that you are 'sane'?
I can only say 1 thing to you on that note:
Your repeating the same mistake over & over, in trying to "take me on", & FAILING HUGELY, especially via adhominem attacks rather than disproving my points on HOSTS files, with you always getting the SAME 'FAIL' results...?
Please... NOW, some would call THAT, insanity!
Now, in regards to your "personal opinion" of how someone ought to post - are YOU the "expert on posting"? Do you speak for EVERYONE?? No on both counts!
"It's intrusive and any sane person would call it spam no matter how right you are." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 26, @02:34PM (#36254026)
In closing? Ah... but RIGHT I AM, period, and others like drinkypoo here HAD to admit it...
Also - Can YOU actually PROVE that you are 'sane'?
I can only say 1 thing to you on that note:
Your repeating the same mistake over & over, in trying to "take me on", & FAILING HUGELY, especially via adhominem attacks rather than disproving my points on HOSTS files, with you always getting the SAME 'FAIL' results...?
Please... NOW, some would call THAT, insanity!
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Especially after THIS quote from you, doubtless in yourself being the "voice of experience" having to be psychoanalyzed:
"Oh, and if you really insist, give me some contact details and I'll send you a referral to a psychiatrist :P - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 26, @02:34PM (#36254026)
No thanks... I don't give my contact info. to obviously "touched in the head" people... after all: You keep trying to "attack me" via adhominem means, off topic trolling & all, AND FAILING... proof enough of your trying the same thing over & over expecting diff. results (some define that as insanity).
APK
P.S.=> The lack of anyone disproving each of my 20 points in favor of HOSTS files over DNS Servers & their problems + AdBlock alone, says it all for me... thanks for making me look good, and RIGHT, once again, /. trolls!
... apk
“In December of last year I placed a hold on similar legislation, commonly called COICA, because I felt the costs of the legislation far outweighed the benefits. After careful analysis of the Protect IP Act, or PIPA, I am compelled to draw the same conclusion. I understand and agree with the goal of the legislation, to protect intellectual property and combat commerce in counterfeit goods, but I am not willing to muzzle speech and stifle innovation and economic growth to achieve this objective. At the expense of legitimate commerce, PIPA’s prescription takes an overreaching approach to policing the Internet when a more balanced and targeted approach would be more effective. The collateral damage of this approach is speech, innovation and the very integrity of the Internet.
"The Internet represents the shipping lane of the 21st century. It is increasingly in America’s economic interest to ensure that the Internet is a viable means for American innovation, commerce, and the advancement of our ideals that empower people all around the world. By ceding control of the Internet to corporations through a private right of action, and to government agencies that do not sufficiently understand and value the Internet, PIPA represents a threat to our economic future and to our international objectives. Until the many issues that I and others have raised with this legislation are addressed, I will object to a unanimous consent request to proceed to the legislation."
"You want to know how to help your kids? Leave them the fuck alone." -George Carlin
No, you are not. What you are, lol, however, is a HUGE FAIL in disproving my points on HOSTS files & an illogical adhominem attack utilzing fool... period!
In fact, lmao, you EVEN SAID I AM RIGHT ON MY POINTS in favor of HOSTS files over DNS servers problems &/or AdBlock alone!
Again - To wit/e.g.:
"although you're right about hosts files" - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:21PM (#36252958) Homepage
Thank you!
(I think that last part, quoted directly from YOU, & you said it after all? Says it ALL!)
Now - IF you think that the stupid discriminatory "10 posts per 24 hour period" placed on MOST AC posters affects me? It doesn't... I circumvent it, with ease... so you're NOT going to 'get the last word on me', especially your off topic adhominem illogical & libellous attacks you use.
APK
P.S.=> Face it: You don't have the intelligence to "get the best of me" in any form of debate, AND, you certainly don't attempt to disprove my points on HOSTS files because you ADMIT I AM CORRECT ON THEM!
"If you don't see that your persistence in the face of this situation makes you a nut, you're utterly hopeless." - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @02:37PM (#36254072) Homepage
First of all? Your adhominem illogical attempts @ attacking ME, vs. disproving my points on HOSTS files are OFF TOPIC!
Secondly?? Keep repeating your same ILLOGICAL off topic trolling attempts, & then call me 'crazy' again, lol...
After all: Some people call repeating the same mistakes over & over again + expecting diff. results, insanity (and your usage of adhominem attacks are exactly that, illogical & invalid)... apk
APK, you're awesome
See above on Norton DNS: That I KNOW they do a DNSBL (DNS Block List) for, vs. KNOWN bad sites/servers/host-domain names out there & it's updated, like mine is, every few minutes, here:
http://safeweb.norton.com/buzz
That's about as 'sure' a protective measure from DNS as it gets and no doubt LEGITIMATELY blocked sites/servers/host-domain names that are bad (not just ones that say, the gov't. of a nation doesn't want you to see like China's firewall!)
However: As far as "cryptographically secure" (is there such a thing? I keep seeing encryption broken periodically, latest being IPhone encryption by the russians in fact yesterday):
DNSSEC isn't employed by Norton DNS, not afaik, but... the 13 root servers use it now, afaik (correct me IF I am off here, thanks). The rest of the servers worldwide utilize those... but, if set into recursive mode & unsecured as they usually are? They can be "bum rushed" with port 53 (iirc) misinformation for redirect poisoning!
(My original post has LOADS of evidences of that much over time the past 2-3 yrs. now in fact!)
APK
P.S.=> Oh, on my thanking you YET again, after you admitted I am right on my points on HOSTS files here:
"although you're right about hosts files" - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:21PM (#36252958) Homepage
Well - Now, I am assuming that "I am the guy" you referred to in your reply I am now responding to!
(Perhaps incorrectly assuming that now on MY end here in this reply to you... but, I do also make that very point in my 20++ points in favor of HOSTS files, & it lightens loads on DNS servers too by lessening their request loads by using HOSTS & hardcoded entries in them for your fav. sites, in addition to proofing you vs. DNSBL or other forms of perhaps unjust filtering @ the DNS level too... bonus!) but...
"The guy raises a good point, through packet mangling you can reroute DNS queries with users none the wiser." - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:33PM (#36253160) Homepage
Thank you... & I don't make just "1 good point", I made 20 of them in favor of HOSTS files over DNS servers &/or AdBlock alone (so good, that apparently, nobody here on /. can disprove them in fact, lol, & ALL THEY HAVE ARE OFF TOPIC ADHOMINEM ATTACKS ON MYSELF, & other illogically invalid off topic attacks!)
This? As-per-my-usual?? It was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2EZ'"... lol!
...apk
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2188228&cid=36252736
Go for it... & good luck: You'll NEED it!
(Especially when "the best you have", lol, is attempts at attacking myself, rather than attacking & disproving each of my 20++ points above in favor of HOSTS files?? U FAIL, troll, & badly...)
Ah, yes, I just GOTTA say it (for posterities' sake @ the very least): This?
This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2EZ'", as-per-usual, vs. the off topic adhominem illogical attack utilizing trolls of /.!
Fact is - it appears the best you have is off topic illogical ad hominem attacks & effete technically unjustified mod downs, and that's it... make me laugh more doing that!
APK
P.S.=> Thanks for the compliment: By the way? Bit of sarcasm here - On your compliment?
Well, yes... I know... it's NOT easy being "world-class"... lol! apk
You editors (in the not-slashot-world) would have checked the submitted link and have seen Vixie's blog post on circleid about this...
Why not include this into the soup so there is some meat and appeal?
Yeah, forgot, slashdot isn't about content or comment-quality anymore...
On Mandated Content Blocking in the Domain Name System by Paul Vixie.
Another facet that wasn't mentioned in the paper is that as America attempts to legislate the internet so that the mega rich can become ultra rich, we simply remove ourselves from meaningful discussion about the problem and social view of file sharing.
As a security buff i learned from experience that while the "rules" if examined presented my ideal view of the world, or let others know whats actually important to me, my logs function as a mirror, telling me how things actually looked.
On behalf of the mega rich, the mega powerful are attempting to create a rule that says this transaction shouldn't happen, but the logs tell us that the general population in no way shape or form shares this view of the world.
If it was viewed as say child porn, in which the vast majority of the user community sees the issue in much the same manner as the rulemakers you get a set of logs that indicate that this view is shared and a small set of transgressions presented in the logs..
this is not so in the case of file sharing, hence, a waste of time and effort, the file sharing medium will change, the methods will change, but the desire will not
sig loading.......
Off topic illogical adhominem attacks don't make YOU "look smart" @ all... period!
Is THAT the "best you've got" boy?? Apparently so! Instead, why not attempt to disprove the points I make here:
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2188228&cid=36252736
You run from them - Perhaps because you can't? LOL, we KNOW you can't!
They are MY points by the by...
Fact is & my init. post has proof of it??
I've been pointing them out since 1997 in fact, & my init. post even evidences it for me with verifiable facts you can see online from security guides & posts I have done in the past from that far back in fact!
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Now, in regards to your WEAK/EFFETE adhominem attacks on my intelligence?
Well, you evading disproving my 20 points in the URL above seems to show YOU are the weak one here... lol!
Secondly: The day you have done more than I have in this art & science of computing, + before I did per this list below (very partial, only some of my favs):
"My Name is Ozymandias: King of Kings - Look upon my works, ye mighty, & DESPAIR..."
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Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61
(&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).
WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)
PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there
WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there
PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there
CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there
GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it
HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!
Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...
Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here -> http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ee926d913b81bf6d63c3c7372fd2a24c&t=28430&page=3
It's also been myself helping out the folks at the UltraDefrag64 project (a 64-bit defragger for Windows), in showing them code for how to do Process Priority Control @ the GUI usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 level in their program (good one too), & being credited for it by their lead dev & his team... see here -> http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/handbook/Credits.html or here http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2993462&group_id=199532&atid=969873
AND lastly: http://g-off.net/software/a-python-repeatable-threadingtimer-class [g-off.net] where I got other programmer's work WORKING RIGHT (in PyThon no less, which I just started learning only 2 week ago no less) by showing them how to u
15 posts of mine on HOSTS that have done well, drinkypoo, vs. your saying the community here doesn't like them, & consistently downmods them (quoted below from you):
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HOSTS MOD UP -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907266&cid=34529608
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1490078&cid=30555632
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1869638&cid=34237268
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1461288&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=30272074
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1255487&cid=28197285
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1206409&cid=27661983
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1725068&cid=32960808
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1743902&cid=33147274
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1913212&cid=34576182
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1530066&cid=30965192
HOSTS MOD UP with facebook known bad sites blocked -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1924892&cid=34670128
HOSTS FILE MOD UP FOR ANDROID MALWARE -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1930156&cid=34713952
HOSTS FILE MOD UP vs ANDROID MALWARE -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1930156&cid=34713952
HOSTS MOD UP ZEUSTRACKER -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2059420&cid=35654066
HOSTS MOD UP vs AT&T BANDWIDTH CAP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2116504&cid=35985584
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"If the community is uninterested enough in what you have to say to score you down consistently" - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:59PM (#36253548) Homepage
So, "chew on those" 15 posts above, drinkypoor! They shot your "mere opinion" right to where it belongs, the rubbish heap!
After all, lol: They disprove your further quoted b.s. right off the bat & with CONCRETE evidence that contradicts your statement quoted above, easily, vs. your mere b.s. & opinions!
("Drink in & digest them" drinkypoo (& take another drinky-poo boy, you need it - lol, especially after that, AND what's below from you too!))
APK
P.S.=> Especially after those evidences above vs. your b.s. AND your admissions of my being correct here:
"although you're right about hosts files" - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:21PM (#36252958) Homepage
AND
Per the technically unjustified down moderation of the post I replied to here. No disproving my points in my initial posting, but instead stupidity. Effete stupidity!
I mean, lol: Between that and the ad hominem illogical off topic attacks that the true AC cowards and others like drinkypoo had to admit I was correct on?
Says it all!
APK
P.S.=> IF the best you have is a technically unjustified mod down boys, alongside illogical off topic adhominem attacks on myself? U FAIL, and you KNOW it... badly!
This? This was, as-per-my-usual, vs. the "idiot savant" wannabe "SiDeWaLk-PsyChOAnALySts" of /., just "too, Too, TOO EASY", just '2EZ'... lol! apk
And, that's valid grounds for down moderation, now isn't it? As far as THIS from you? LMAO:
"We aren't trying to attack your comments on HOSTS files." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 26, @03:56PM (#36255086)
I know that, because YOU CAN'T - they are SOLID! Instead, you not only go "off topic" but also use illogical ad hominem attacks!
(Piss poor that, lol, along with down moderating my initial post on 20 points in favor of HOSTS files over DNS servers & their problems, + the shortcomings of AdBlock too! Talk about WEAK/EFFETE, lol!)
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"We really don't care that much and most of us agree with your points." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 26, @03:56PM (#36255086)
Then why attack ME personally, adhominem illogical off topic style?
You're only annoyed because I make utter fools of you all in every post you make, off topic & ad hominem illogical loaded as your replies are.
You're obviously NOT very intelligent & keep repeating the SAME mistake over & over again (some define THAT as insane you know)... expecting diff. results on your end, only to FAIL even more.
APK
P.S.=> Troll, you FAIL, and you KNOW it... lol, & this, as per my usual?? Well, gotta say it again, for "posterities' sake":
It was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2EZ'"!
... apk
See, I have no problem with your technical analysis, but with your presentation. I don't think you should be chased off of slashdot. I do think you should be regarded based on your behavior.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
You even ADMIT it here in this quote from you:
"YES. Yes, it is." - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @04:32PM (#36255676) Homepage
Now, as far as people downmodding my points on HOSTS files here, as you said they do "consistently"? Well, again (2nd time I have posted this evidence to the contrary of your off topic & often libelous adhominem attacks you direct MY way), to THAT??
"If the community is uninterested enough in what you have to say to score you down consistently" - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:59PM (#36253548) Homepage
Ok then: NOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN SHOWN SAYING THAT? Well - See these, vs. your statement I requote, again, then!
(15 posts of mine on HOSTS that have done well, drinkypoo, vs. your saying the community here doesn't like them, & consistently downmods them (quoted below from you)):
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HOSTS MOD UP -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907266&cid=34529608
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1490078&cid=30555632
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1869638&cid=34237268
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1461288&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=30272074
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1255487&cid=28197285
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1206409&cid=27661983
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1725068&cid=32960808
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1743902&cid=33147274
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1913212&cid=34576182
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1530066&cid=30965192
HOSTS MOD UP with facebook known bad sites blocked -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1924892&cid=34670128
HOSTS FILE MOD UP FOR ANDROID MALWARE -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1930156&cid=34713952
HOSTS FILE MOD UP vs ANDROID MALWARE -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1930156&cid=34713952
HOSTS MOD UP ZEUSTRACKER -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2059420&cid=35654066
HOSTS MOD UP vs AT&T BANDWIDTH CAP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2116504&cid=35985584
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So much for THAT from you, eh, drinkypoo! You clearly don't *THINK* before you speak... between THAT & the off topic illogical adhominem attacks you directed my way here?? Please... show SOME sign of intelligence, won't you???
Oh, see below in my 'p.s.' too!
OR, is what I put in my subject-line NOT the case here on this? You're off topic RIGHT NOW in fact, as you wrote that!
Now/Additionally:
As far as YOUR STATING people downmodding my points on HOSTS files here, as you said they do "consistently"?
Well, again (3rd time I have posted this evidence to the contrary of your off topic & often libelous adhominem attacks you direct MY way), to THAT??
"If the community is uninterested enough in what you have to say to score you down consistently" - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:59PM (#36253548) Homepage
Ok then: NOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN SHOWN SAYING THAT? Well - See these 15 posts of mine, on HOSTS files benefits for users, vs. your statement I requote, again, then!
(15 posts of mine on HOSTS that have done well, drinkypoo, vs. your saying the community here doesn't like them, & consistently downmods them (quoted below from you)):
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HOSTS MOD UP -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907266&cid=34529608
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1490078&cid=30555632
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1869638&cid=34237268
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1461288&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=30272074
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1255487&cid=28197285
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1206409&cid=27661983
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1725068&cid=32960808
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1743902&cid=33147274
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1913212&cid=34576182
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1530066&cid=30965192
HOSTS MOD UP with facebook known bad sites blocked -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1924892&cid=34670128
HOSTS FILE MOD UP FOR ANDROID MALWARE -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1930156&cid=34713952
HOSTS FILE MOD UP vs ANDROID MALWARE -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1930156&cid=34713952
HOSTS MOD UP ZEUSTRACKER -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2059420&cid=35654066
HOSTS MOD UP vs AT&T BANDWIDTH CAP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2116504&cid=35985584
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So much for THAT from you, eh, drinkypoo!
Man - You clearly don't *THINK* before you speak... between THAT & the off topic illogical adhominem attacks you directed my way here??
Please... show SOME sign of intelligence
I would listen to Kaminsky, the man saved the internet from DNS vulnerability just a few years ago when he discovered the flaw in DNS and came up with a patch and solution to the issue. So I guarantee he knows more about DNS and security then Congress and the greedy and annoying RIAA.
Just because you are wrong and I called you out on it doesn't mean I am a Troll.
And, what can HOSTS do for you, for better online SPEED and SECURITY (layered security, best we have currently) vs. DNS problems &/or AdBlock's "shortcomings" vs. HOSTS?
Ok - take a read!
(Especially after the 'trolling' I got on my init. post on this here today in this article's replies in fact, with nobody able to disprove a SINGLE ONE of the points below, here -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2188228&cid=36252736 )
20++ ADVANTAGES OF HOSTS FILES OVER DNS SERVERS &/or ADBLOCK ALONE for added layered security:
1.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program).
2.) Bad news: ADBLOCK CAN BE DETECTED FOR: See here on that note -> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/why-ad-blocking-is-devastating-to-the-sites-you-love.ars
HOSTS files are NOT BLOCKABLE by websites, as was tried on users by ARSTECHNICA (and it worked, proving HOSTS files are a better solution for this because they cannot be blocked & detected for, in that manner), to that websites' users' dismay:
PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT FROM ARSTECHNICA THEMSELVES:
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An experiment gone wrong - By Ken Fisher | Last updated March 6, 2010 11:11 AM
http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/why-ad-blocking-is-devastating-to-the-sites-you-love.ars
"Starting late Friday afternoon we conducted a 12 hour experiment to see if it would be possible to simply make content disappear for visitors who were using a very popular ad blocking tool. Technologically, it was a success in that it worked. Ad blockers, and only ad blockers, couldn't see our content."
and
"Our experiment is over, and we're glad we did it because it led to us learning that we needed to communicate our point of view every once in a while. Sure, some people told us we deserved to die in a fire. But that's the Internet!"
Thus, as you can see? Well - THAT all "went over like a lead balloon" with their users in other words, because Arstechnica was forced to change it back to the old way where ADBLOCK still could work to do its job (REDDIT however, has not, for example). However/Again - this is proof that HOSTS files can still do the job, blocking potentially malscripted ads (or ads in general because they slow you down) vs. adblockers like ADBLOCK!
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3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF, Hosts files do. THIS IS GOOD VS. SPAM MAIL or MAILS THAT BEAR MALICIOUS SCRIPT, or, THAT POINT TO MALICIOUS SCRIPT VIA URLS etc.
4.) Adblock won't get you to your favorite sites if a DNS server goes down or is DNS-poisoned, hosts will (this leads to points 4-7 next below).
5.) Adblock doesn't allow you to hardcode in your favorite websites into it so you don't make DNS server calls and so you can avoid tracking by DNS request logs, hosts do (DNS servers are also being abused by the Chinese lately and by the Kaminsky flaw -> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082908-kaminsky-flaw-prompts-dns-server.html for years now). Hosts protect against those problems via hardcodes of your fav sites (you should verify against the TLD that does nothing but cache IPAddress-to-domainname/hostname resolutions via NSLOOKUP, PINGS, &/or WHOIS though, regularly, so you have the correct IP & it's current)).
6.) HOSTS files protect you vs. DNS-poisoning &/or the Kaminsky flaw in DNS servers
And, FAR MORE (I use them & type s into my browser's address bar for this very site in fact, lol!)... Anyhow/anyways - you may find THIS, interesting!
Check this out:
(Especially after the 'trolling' I got on my init. post on this here today in this article's replies in fact, with nobody able to disprove a SINGLE ONE of the points below, here -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2188228&cid=36252736 )
20++ ADVANTAGES OF HOSTS FILES OVER DNS SERVERS &/or ADBLOCK ALONE for added layered security:
1.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program).
2.) Bad news: ADBLOCK CAN BE DETECTED FOR: See here on that note -> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/why-ad-blocking-is-devastating-to-the-sites-you-love.ars
HOSTS files are NOT BLOCKABLE by websites, as was tried on users by ARSTECHNICA (and it worked, proving HOSTS files are a better solution for this because they cannot be blocked & detected for, in that manner), to that websites' users' dismay:
PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT FROM ARSTECHNICA THEMSELVES:
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An experiment gone wrong - By Ken Fisher | Last updated March 6, 2010 11:11 AM
http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/why-ad-blocking-is-devastating-to-the-sites-you-love.ars
"Starting late Friday afternoon we conducted a 12 hour experiment to see if it would be possible to simply make content disappear for visitors who were using a very popular ad blocking tool. Technologically, it was a success in that it worked. Ad blockers, and only ad blockers, couldn't see our content."
and
"Our experiment is over, and we're glad we did it because it led to us learning that we needed to communicate our point of view every once in a while. Sure, some people told us we deserved to die in a fire. But that's the Internet!"
Thus, as you can see? Well - THAT all "went over like a lead balloon" with their users in other words, because Arstechnica was forced to change it back to the old way where ADBLOCK still could work to do its job (REDDIT however, has not, for example). However/Again - this is proof that HOSTS files can still do the job, blocking potentially malscripted ads (or ads in general because they slow you down) vs. adblockers like ADBLOCK!
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3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF, Hosts files do. THIS IS GOOD VS. SPAM MAIL or MAILS THAT BEAR MALICIOUS SCRIPT, or, THAT POINT TO MALICIOUS SCRIPT VIA URLS etc.
4.) Adblock won't get you to your favorite sites if a DNS server goes down or is DNS-poisoned, hosts will (this leads to points 4-7 next below).
5.) Adblock doesn't allow you to hardcode in your favorite websites into it so you don't make DNS server calls and so you can avoid tracking by DNS request logs, hosts do (DNS servers are also being abused by the Chinese lately and by the Kaminsky flaw -> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082908-kaminsky-flaw-prompts-dns-server.html for years now). Hosts protect against those problems via hardcodes of your fav sites (you should verify against the TLD that does nothing but cache IPAddress-to-domainname/hostname resolutions via NSLOOKUP, PINGS, &/or WHOIS though, regularly, so you have the correct IP & it's current)).
6.) HOSTS files protect you vs. DNS-poisoning &/or the Kaminsky flaw in DNS servers, and allow you to get to sites rel
I've ALREADY made utter fools of my "naysayers" here on this topic already:
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2188228&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=36252736
How much more abuse can you heap on yourselves, what with this technically unjustified mod down, trolls??
APK
P.S.=> To quote Sgt. Barnes from the classic film "PLATOON"? Well, here goes (to whoever did the cowardly little mod down of my reply to a user asking about HOSTS files):
"I shit on all of you"...
The funniest part is, you do THAT MUCH, for me - as seen in the URL above I posted!
(Especially via cowardly 'hit & run' downmods with no technical justifications as was done here to myself, and to all the adhominem off topic trolling crap I had to deal with in the URL above!)
You have, NO BALLS, cowards... none!
You can't point out any technical mistakes I may have made either (on things "computing"/technical issues in points I made) - no, all you have? Is effete coward's tactics, nothing more, and you KNOW it!
... apk
We simply need a new URI scheme. Let us link to a name that is not in the "central root" of the DNS.
dig:nameserver.example.com;http://mywebsite.lol
Use the normal DNS root to bootstrap names of nameservers.
First, I have proofs what's in my init. post are my ideas (only backed with quotes of others, such as Mr. Oliver Day, but if you actually had READ that? You'd see he mentions he read about HOSTS in the early to mid 90's, & I have proofs of myself posting on HOSTS back then in the same paragraphs in my init. reply where I feature his backing my statements (and, his article is from 2009 iirc, mind you - MUCH later than my words cited from 1997-2001)):
"Yup, idiot with good copy/paste skills "telling" us nothing we don't already know. :-) " - by RobertM1968 (951074) on Thursday May 26, @10:40PM (#36259148) Homepage
And, you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll that hasn't done jack shit by comparison to myself in this field... period, and YOU KNOW IT. Prove otherwise, goofy!
I don't post it for folks that already KNOW about HOSTS files benefits - I post it for those THAT DON'T (so they too can gain by them).
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"And here ya go! One more post to reply to with another wall-o-copy-paste-text! " - by RobertM1968 (951074) on Thursday May 26, @10:40PM (#36259148) Homepage
And, here we go: Another trolling off topic reply replete with effete adhominem illogical attacks on myself, & from of ALL people? A fucking "ne'er-do-well" nobody like you, lol!
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"It's a shame you're so stupid you can't even post your own ideas. " - by RobertM1968 (951074) on Thursday May 26, @10:40PM (#36259148) Homepage
LMAO - see my first part of this reply, 1st paragraph about your 1st quoted words... & "EAT YOUR WORDS" Mr. "ne'er-do-well" nobody, ok?
(SO: Tell us, lol - How do they taste, now that they're flavored with the "bitter taste of YOUR defeat"??)
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"So, hope you enjoy this opportunity to yet again reply with a buncha magazine and website listings with little summaries attached to about stuff you dont understand. " - by RobertM1968 (951074) on Thursday May 26, @10:40PM (#36259148) Homepage
No, iirc? You're the one I posted just a SMALL FRACTION of the times I've been actually featured in respected magazines, books, trade shows & more in the art and science of computing... you know: The THINGS YOU'VE NEVER DONE, & NEVER WILL (Because you're just another dime-a-dozen "ne'er-do-well" nobody/nothing).
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"You forget ADK, some of us know who you are. " - by RobertM1968 (951074) on Thursday May 26, @10:40PM (#36259148) Homepage
Great, so I am known... but you? By way of comparison?? Like I kept saying above: You're a "Ne'er-Do-Well NOBODY/NOTHING" & you KNOW it.
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"You like pretending to have functioning brain matter, but we know you really don't. " - by RobertM1968 (951074) on Thursday May 26, @10:40PM (#36259148) Homepage
Quit projecting YOUR OWN FAULTS, onto me, loser... ok? It's NOT MY FAULT you're nothing but a "ne'er-do-well" nobody/nothing!
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"It's a shame that since you got pushed off your favorite forum, you decided to come here to try to look smart. " - by RobertM1968 (951074) on Thursday May 26, @10:40PM (#36259148) Homepage
What forums are you TALKING about? I don't have a "favorite forums" & I never have... and?? Thanks for the slip in saying I am 'smart' because compared to you & the "trolling 'ne-er-do-well' likes of YOU"??? Bacteria is intelligent.
"It's not working. Grow up already - or at least find someplace else to try. " - by RobertM1968 (951074) on Thursday May 26, @10:40PM (#36259148) Homepage
Sorry - I don't take advice from "ne'er-do-well's" like yourself...
APK
You are nothing more than a failure in computing, with allegedly over 20 yrs. of time around computers and the BEST you can manage is to be a techie, AND, the company you worked for folded too? Says worlds about your 'L33T3 skillz', eh?? A company full of failures, like yourself, is bound to fail. You're nothing more than a done nothing with himself Long Island LOSER, and you know it. The techie is the lowest of the low in computing and you couldn't go above that level? Hahahaha. Unbelievable. No wonder you've never accomplished anything others noted as good: You're too damned stupid obviously, and limited (both mentally and skillset-wise).
APK