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Simulations Show Quantum Error Not As Bad As Believed

aarondubrow writes "Because quantum systems become unstable quickly, their error threshold is an important factor. How many bits can 'break' before the system stops working? An international team of researchers used the supercomputers at the Texas Advanced Computing Center to simulate the error threshold of a topological quantum system and found a much higher threshold than had previously been reported."

44 comments

  1. NSFW warning by aBaldrich · · Score: 2, Informative

    goatse troll

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  2. Re:Meh by gauntletguy · · Score: 1, Funny

    goatse trolls are getting better these days...

  3. Re:Quantum computer is intersting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    unlikely to work is just a codephrase for, will work soon.

    if my computer can be a thousand times faster, sure, i wouldn't mind having that nitrogen tank next to my computer. as long as the costs of keeping that running is under a thousand times the computer i am currently running.

    and i am sure many will follow suit. i mean, who the hell would want deadly electricity in their house. it is dangerous, causes fires, kills people. i certainly would n... oh, right. but how about gas, that can explode. or oil, i certainly would not put that in my car, shit burns like hell.

  4. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's 1 guy who has posted it about 200+ times.

  5. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    goatse

  6. Re:Slashdot double standards... by freedumb2000 · · Score: 1, Informative

    more goatse more goatse more goatse

  7. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GOATSE ALERT DO NOT CLICK

  8. WOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So they are "simulating" a quantum system with trinary particle bindings as opposed to the infinite in reality, completely neglecting the timescale (which will pretty much cause a simulation to spit out less errors as you lower the amount of time it runs over - unless the number of errors are negative, but that would take a whole new level of BS to pull off) - and saying the errors are less than expected? Well no shit, who the fuck let this chimp near a computer?

    1. Re:WOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well no shit, who the fuck let this chimp near a computer?

      I'm quite curious about that myself... just where is your keeper?

  9. Quantum Errors by rossdee · · Score: 3, Funny

    I had a Quantum hard drive fail about 2 months after the warranty expired. Fortunately you could still READ the data on it, you just couldn't write to it.
    This was in the days of SCSI hard drives and Amiga computers.

    1. Re:Quantum Errors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once had a quantum harddrive fail. You could either measure the data on it, or its speed, but not both at the same time. So the harddrive had to stop spinning to be able to read it...

    2. Re:Quantum Errors by narcc · · Score: 1

      My Quantum hard drive ran just fine, but my cat died...

    3. Re:Quantum Errors by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      I thought on a quantum hard drive you can't read any data without writing to it at the same time?

    4. Re:Quantum Errors by FredFredrickson · · Score: 1

      My Quantum hard drive ran just fine, but my cat died...

      ...maybe

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    5. Re:Quantum Errors by djinfected · · Score: 1

      You have to realize that there is no cat.

  10. Quantity of errors by Zibodiz · · Score: 2

    I think this comment thread is a good simulation of 'quantum errors'. Once you start getting that many errors, the best thing is just to not bother reading further. So I guess, for comparison, they're saying that the test showed that the computer didn't have as many errors as this thread has spam, so maybe it wasn't so bad. Only one out of three bits was a 'goat'.

    1. Re:Quantity of errors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only one out of three bits was a 'goat'.

      see?

  11. Re:Quantum computer is intersting by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

    I don't think it would be all that unreasonable in a data-center or any HPC situation.

  12. I ran this same simulation and found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Quantum errors are simultaneously not as bad as, and worse than believed.

  13. Actual Information on the Subject: by Hartree · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is about a rather specialized type of quantum computer. Or more realistically, a proposed idea for a quantum computer.

    One of the problems for quantum computing is the fragility of the quantum states that could be used. Even a tiny disturbance can cause the thing to screw up in a manner called decohering. So, there has been a push to find possible quantum computing elements that are extremely well insulated from the outside world, or that will tolerate a lot of disturbance without decohering.

    Certain quantum states of quasi-particles called anyons (no joke. That's what they are called) in 2 dimensions are thought to be extremely stable.

    Recently, there have been observations of states similar to these in surfaces of materials called topological insulators. They haven't conclusively shown that the right sort of states (called nonabelian) exist yet.

    But, even if these so called "topologically protected" quantum states of the right sort exist, you still need an algorithm for how to compute with them.

    What the Texas Advanced Computing Center team did was simulate a proposed algorithm called topological color coding for a specific case. When they did this, they found that it can withstand 10% of the underlying quantum bits screwing up.

    So, it's a simulation of a proposed set of rules for computing with a proposed (but not yet demonstrated) set of quantum bits, using special quantum particles (that are composed of more than one normal particles bound together) that have not yet been shown to exist.

    Although this is a very interesting area, it's a simulation of a vaporware program to run on a vaporware computer that is based on vaporware physics.

    So, to say the least it's a ways off. But for solid state physics geeks it's a very hot topic of research.

    Obligatory non-goatse links with useful info:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topological_quantum_computer

    Original paper abstract: http://arxiv.org/abs/0910.0573 with links to full paper.

    This work was done by the computational physics group at Texas A&M: http://comp-phys.tamu.edu/ among others.

    1. Re:Actual Information on the Subject: by grcumb · · Score: 1

      Obligatory non-goatse links with useful info:

      Man, you must be really new here!

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  14. Probability by Barncs · · Score: 0

    Not too long ago, I read about a different approach to computing. Where today's computers rely on essentially perfect logic (in the form of low and high voltages), the alternate approach could handle noise and used probabilities to make a mostly valid assumption. The benefit of faster calculations and lower voltages (ergo lower power consumption) were greater than the drawbacks of more errors. This seems well suited for quantum calculations

    1. Re:Probability by formfeed · · Score: 2

      the alternate approach could handle noise and used probabilities to make a mostly valid assumption.

      It's called Wikipedia.

  15. More importantly by formfeed · · Score: 1

    Because quantum systems become unstable quickly, their error threshold is an important factor. How many bits can 'break' before the system stops working?

    more importantly: how many cats will have to die because of it?

  16. The error rate exists as a superposition of itself by VortexCortex · · Score: 3, Funny

    Both good and bad was the the error rate
    of the simulated Quantum state:
    A superposition the states did make
    having properties hard not to misstate.

    Thus, when the research groups did separate
    to further test the quantum error rate
    they each observed a quantum error state
    that they could not, in fact, equate!

    Indeed, the collapsed quantum state
    resulted in results so disparate,
    their virtual machines could not re-simulate
    these quantum effects they could not contemplate.

    As the scientists began to debate
    over a single quantum error rate
    Their tense and stressed emotional state
    caused some of them to scorn and berate,
    and sparked others to recriminate.

    (I would dare to speculate
    that they were even too irate
    to relate or even cogitate
    the average quantum error rate.)

    I hope they can remunerate
    the costs that we associate
    with researching the quantum error state,
    so their teams do not have to inflate
    the local unemployment rate!

    Alas, science has yet to negate,
    (or even circumnavigate)
    the risks that one begins to take
    by observing a Quantum error rate.

  17. The good new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the good news is the researchers used a quantum computer to calculate the values for this study.

    Don't worry no errors to see here folks.

  18. Texas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hook 'em Horns! Glad that advances are being made by universities that don't put everyone that goes there in debt.

  19. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A bit.ly wrapped in a tiny webpage, wrapped in a data:base64, wrapped in a tinyurl. A lot of work for a 'shopped anus. And that should be reciever.jpg, not hello.jpg.
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  20. Vacuum tube logic by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Really bad old days:

    The latest thing was the replacement of relays with vacuum tubes. While an individual tube is reasonably reliable -- better than a light bulb -- collect a bunch together and you always have one blowing out.

    I heard that with one such school sized computer after WWII the basic flip-flop was a 7 vacuum tube circuit, wired so that ANY two of the tubes could fail and the device would still function.

    Several flip-flops were in a drawer. Indicator lights on the drawer front showed status. Red light on drawer, open drawer. Each flip-flop board had indicator lights showing which tubes were good.

    People would race though the corridors with shopping carts of tubes doing hot replacements while the machine was running. My recollection was that even so uptime was usually measured in minutes before some other thing would break.

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