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Apple Releases iOS 5 Beta 2 For Developers

Posted by timothy on from the those-sneaky-developers dept.

BogenDorpher writes "Apple has just put up the second beta version of its new operating system for the iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch devices. iOS 5 Beta 2 build 9A5248d is now available for registered iOS developers in the Apple Dev Center. iTunes 10.5 Beta 2 is also available for developers."

72 comments

  1. Re:only if it fixes bugs by wintersdark · · Score: 1

    *blinks*

    Well, that was... enlightening.

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    Meh.
  2. Re:only if it fixes bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is that from 'Ulysses'?

  3. Re:What is the point of this story? by Random+Data · · Score: 1

    If beta 2 is out then it's indicative that iOS 5 isn't too far from public release. There are enough people who aren't registered developers but who may find this interesting that it's worthwhile running.

  4. Release Notes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Notes and Known Issues

    The following issues relate to using the 5.0 SDK to develop code.
    Accounts

    When creating an iCloud account you can use any Apple ID provided it is a full email address and not a MobileMe account. If you have a MobileMe account, you can copy data from that account to an iCloud account to use during testing. You can find more information on iCloud at: http://developer.apple.com/icloud

    When setting up an iCloud or MobileMe account using the setup assistant and leaving Find My iPhone on, it might actually turn Find my iPhone off after the setup. Please verify in Settings/Mail, Contacts, Calendar/YourAccount that Find my iPhone is toggled On after leaving the setup assistant.

    There is a problem finding a device using Find My iPhone on the MobileMe website (www.me.com) when switching from iCloud back to MobileMe. To workaround this issue:

    On the device go to Settings->Mail, Contacts, Calendar->@me.com and Toggle Find My iPhone off and back on. Now the device should show up on MobileMe website.

    It is recommended that you disable Bookmarks on multiple accounts. If they are enabled, the results might be undefined.

    FIXED: When deleting a MobileMe account, an incorrect message is displayed on the device that says “This will delete all Photo Stream Photos from your device”. You can ignore this message.

    Address Book

    FIXED: Adding a CardDAV account of any kind (Yahoo, Address Book Server, etc) and then removing the account will result in the loss of the UI button to add a new contact. The button will not appear under Contacts App or the Contacts button under the Phone app.

    FIXED: Modifying the fields of an iCloud contact from an iOS device that was not the original source of the contact causes the contact’s photo to disappear on other iOS devices. The image is still there but it is not fetched properly.

    AirPlay

    Starting in iOS 5.0, video content in applications and websites are AirPlay-enabled by default.

    iOS 5.0 supports AirPlay of video via AV Foundation.

    The Apple TV screen saver may degrade mirroring performance over AirPlay. The screen saver can be disabled in Apple TV settings.

    Apple TV

    Apple TV Software beta enables users to mirror the contents of an iPad 2 to an Apple TV (2nd generation) using AirPlay. This beta software also enables Photo Stream on Apple TV so users can access photos stored in iCloud. Apple TV Software beta is being provided to test the latest AirPlay functionality with your iOS 5 apps and web sites. If you wish to install Apple TV Software beta on your device, you must first register your device UDID in the iOS Developer Program Portal.

    Assistant

    When signing in with a Classic MobileMe account via iOS 5.0 Setup Assistant, it offers iCloud Backup.

    Audio

    Using voice chat in iOS 5 requires setting the kAudioSessionMode_VoiceChat mode on the Audio Session, or setting the AVAudioSessionModeVoiceChat mode on the AVAudioSession object.

    In iOS 5 beta1, voice chat is currently not working on iPhone 3GS and iPod Touch 3rd generation devices.

    Bluetooth

    FIXED: When connected to Personal Hot Spot via Bluetooth, the internet connection for web browsing is not successful.

    CalDav

    FIXED: Despite turning off reminder sync with an iCloud account, editing in the reminders app displays the option to make a new reminder list under iCloud. By doing so, the list and to do items under the list will sync to other devices.

    1. Re:Release Notes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the first comment that actually pertains to the story ... and it gets modded to -1. Apparently it's an editor with his infinite modpoints too. They seem to always use "Overrated" or something. Their instamods-to-oblivion never seem to have an adjective like "Flamebait" or "Troll".

      To the editor who modded that down: good job, numbnuts! Maybe you can give him some fake "503 SERIVCE NOT AVAILABLE" error pages too, like the non-confrontational coward you are. You know, the ones that magically go away when you use a proxy. That'll show him who's the bigger man!

      How about you fuckers put a little less effort into micromanaging the discussions and a little more into oh, I dunno, figuring out how to use a spell-checker for the front page? Try it sometime, you lazy substandard bastards. In this economy there are lots of people who would be happy to replace you and do a better job. Many of them even understand how to use English grammar. At some point management might even figure that out!

      Oh yeah, and for your amateurish attempts at writing JavaScript, I have two words for you: test server. It's customary to use one before you start running that code in a production environment. No, really, I'm serious. With all the Slashvertisement book reviews you're running I'm confident you can afford a little low-volume test server for your intranet.

      Just think of how much a consultant would have charged you for these bits of common sense.

    2. Re:Release Notes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's +1 now, so either that editor is slacking or...

      You also realize that Slashdot does 503 occasionally for everyone, right? Some days worse than others? I'm going to guess that you're either being paranoid here, or are getting MITM'd by your lovely proxy.

    3. Re:Release Notes by macs4all · · Score: 1

      It's +1 now, so either that editor is slacking or...

      You also realize that Slashdot does 503 occasionally for everyone, right? Some days worse than others? I'm going to guess that you're either being paranoid here, or are getting MITM'd by your lovely proxy.

      However, what IS it with slashdot?!? They have got to have some of THE worst web-coders on the planet!

      I have never seen another site with so many coding errors. It's like the site is coded by six year olds (with apologies to all six year olds, everywhere). Several recent and ridiculously annoying errors that come to mind are:

      1. Banner ad partially obscures the login "dialog". Finally fixed, but it took WEEKS to fix that simple issue.

      2. When replying through a "reply" email link (in my case, from gmail), when you get the "mini-thread", and click the "Reply" link on that page on slashdot (which opens up the form that allows you to actually, uh, TYPE your reply), as soon as you click in that text field (where you are supposed to, uh, TYPE), the browser immediately scrolls to the top of the "mini-thread". Scroll down. Click. Back to the TOP we go!. The ONLY thing that seems to stop that behavior is to mash on the PageDn key a bunch of times, then click in the field. And even THAT seems to take several trips back up to the top of the page before the text cursor will "stay put" in the edit field, so that you can, uh, actually TYPE. THAT BEHAVIOR HAS EXISTED EVER SINCE THE NEW LAYOUT, AND STILL ISN'T FIXED!

      3. Another annoyance with the "mini-thread" page is that the "Log In" link simply doesn't work. If you happen to be logged in already, fine. But if not, you CANNOT log in to post your reply, and must either post as AC, OR open the main Slashdot page, and Log In there (which I assumes creates a session cookie).

      4. Speaking of Logging In, if you Log In from within a "story", you are immediately bounced OUT of the story, and taken to the main Slashdot page.

      5. When clicking the "Submit" button after entering a comment, about 1 time in 20 (sometimes more often), it never seems to come back from the "spinning wheel" bit, or, sometimes you get the dreaded "The resource is no longer valid" error. WTF IS UP WITH THAT?!?!? And it seems to have NOTHING to do with any "timeout" (or any REASONABLE timeout).

      6. When viewing stories past the first page-full (in other words, if you have clicked the "More Stories" button), actually ENTERING one of those stories and then hitting the "back" button (to get back to the list of stories) immediately goes back to the "first" page of stores, with NONE of the stories past that page visible again (just like it is when you first enter slashdot's main page). This isn't so bad when the story you were looking at is only one "more stories"-click away; but on non-slow news days, sometimes stories are so rapidly pushed off the main page, that it is common to be browsing stories that are two or more pages "down" from the main page, and it gets to be QUITE annoying.

      I hasten to add that, in my experience with the world-wide-web view of the internet, which goes back to at least 1992 (or earlier) I have NEVER encountered ANY of these problems on ANY "forum"-type website. Never, ever, ever. And its doubly sad, considering Slashdot is supposed to be a "geek" site. You'd think with all the unemployed neckbeards sitting around, that Slashdot would be able to find at least ONE decent web developer.

      But apparently not...

      And that comment about test servers was right on. If slashdot even uses them, it sure doesn't seem to then add the TESTING phase before changes are made "live".

  5. I hate xcode 4 by mark-t · · Score: 0

    When I have errors in my code, or places in the code that produces warnings, I like my IDE to move the cursor to the actual line of code where the issue is.

    This used to work just fine in xcode 3, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to replicate that behaviour in xcode 4. What I've always had to do is switch window panes to look at the error log, find the line number where the issue is, and then manually go there in that file.

    Seriously... I might as well just be using an ordinary text editor and a command line compiler.

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    1. Re:I hate xcode 4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might be running into a bug - if your source isn't somewhere below the project in the filesystem, then going to warnings doesn't work (it doesn't handle the ../ at the start of the path to the source file for some reason).

    2. Re:I hate xcode 4 by milas · · Score: 1

      Seriously... I might as well just be using an ordinary text editor and a command line compiler.

      But..but...that wouldn't require you to have the latest version of OS X (since XCode 4 is now distributed through the AppStore and dropped support for the 10.5 API), would leave you with over 4GB more of hard drive space (what's the point in having all that space if you're not going to use it?), and not require you to re-download the full installer every time there was a point upgrade!

      Why would you ever want THAT?

    3. Re:I hate xcode 4 by Invid72 · · Score: 1

      When I have errors in my code, or places in the code that produces warnings, I like my IDE to move the cursor to the actual line of code where the issue is.

      This used to work just fine in xcode 3, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to replicate that behaviour in xcode 4. What I've always had to do is switch window panes to look at the error log, find the line number where the issue is, and then manually go there in that file.

      What's wrong with clicking the error / warning icon in the navigation pane? It shows me my warning, I click the warning and it shows the appropriate file with the offending line highlighted in yellow. Click the warning again, and it will pulse the warning highlight in your source again, no line hunting necessary.

      Is your complaint that Xcode just doesn't reposition your cursor? The highlight and caret where the warning occurs isn't enough?

    4. Re:I hate xcode 4 by mark-t · · Score: 2
      You're kidding.

      Seriously.... I thought the problem was with xcode 4.

      And come to think of it, I'm not entirely sure that this wouldn't have been an issue with xcode 3, since I switched to a different directory layout for my projects only a few days before I upgraded from xcode 3... although I never made the connection between that and the problems I was having because all the existing projects were already compiling cleanly and without warning or errors, so as far as I could see, only the new xcode projects were getting affected.

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    5. Re:I hate xcode 4 by mark-t · · Score: 1

      The behaviour you are describing is what I had always experienced with xcode 3. It seems to have stopped working that way for me with any new projects I created with xcode 4. Another poster above has given me some insight into what the problem may be, however... and I will test this more thoroughly when I get home tonight.

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    6. Re:I hate xcode 4 by Trillan · · Score: 1

      There's a couple minor bugs that can cause this. Are you using the latest released Xcode 4? At least one of the causes was fixed in a .0.1 release.

      Other than that, search StackOverflow, etc.

      Important thing to know is that your experience isn't typical. There IS a fix. Sorry I can't give you details; I haven't run into this myself, but discussed in passing with someone who had hit it.

    7. Re:I hate xcode 4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I have errors in my code, or places in the code that produces warnings, I like my IDE to move the cursor to the actual line of code where the issue is.

      This used to work just fine in xcode 3, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to replicate that behaviour in xcode 4. What I've always had to do is switch window panes to look at the error log, find the line number where the issue is, and then manually go there in that file.

      What's wrong with clicking the error / warning icon in the navigation pane? It shows me my warning, I click the warning and it shows the appropriate file with the offending line highlighted in yellow. Click the warning again, and it will pulse the warning highlight in your source again, no line hunting necessary.

      Is your complaint that Xcode just doesn't reposition your cursor? The highlight and caret where the warning occurs isn't enough?

      What's wrong with comprehending what you read so you don't do something stupid, like answering a question other than the one the guy was asking?

    8. Re:I hate xcode 4 by jcr · · Score: 1

      Is that happening on all of your projects, or just one in particular? What happens if you create a new one from the template?

      -jcr

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    9. Re:I hate xcode 4 by mikestew · · Score: 2

      What's wrong with clicking the error / warning icon in the navigation pane?

      What's wrong is that it doesn't always work. If the source file is not in the project root directory, it won't do what you think it will. Instead, it will just open the source file at the top. Bugs filed, haven't seen it fixed in latest. Pain in the arse.

    10. Re:I hate xcode 4 by willy_me · · Score: 1

      I've found that upgrading projects to Xcode4 tends to cause problems. Just create a new project then import the files. This solved the problems that I had with the new xcode.

      With regards to associating debugging output to the code, xcode4 is vastly superior to xcode3. The previous xcode was a simplified IDE, just an editor that made calls to gcc/gdb for compiling and debugging. The new xcode leverages the work done with llvm and clang. It parses your code as you type so it can do proper code completion and indicates broken code. When I say proper I mean it scans files for types, functions, etc. and actually understands the code. Linked files are also scanned. Notice that when the debugger indicates an error in a source file, you can edit that file by inserting/removing space and xcode will still be able to bring you to the actual error. The previous version just brought you to the same line, even if your code had moved away from that line.

      So xcode4 is the first real attempt at a proper IDE - similar to what Microsoft has with their "Visual" programs. Apple had to ditch gcc in order to make it work which also required writing a new compiler - so it was a non-trivial amount of work. Expect it to get more and more refined as time goes on as xcode4 is actually built on a solid foundation, unlike xcode3.

    11. Re:I hate xcode 4 by mark-t · · Score: 1

      It has been pointed out to me that the problem may have been getting caused by the fact that it happens to be the case that all of my newer projects do not have the source files underneath the project folder, because this produces the exact same behaviour when there are errors or warnings in the files as what I experienced.

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    12. Re:I hate xcode 4 by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 1

      Important thing to know is that your experience isn't typical.

      His experience absolutely is typical, in that he has experienced inexplicable, infuriating and inconsistent behaviour from Xcode. Xcode 3 was never great, but 4.x is beta software, which has been rushed out the door without proper quality testing, and as of 4.2, still has serious issues (not just this one). I upgraded a few weeks ago to 4.0.2 as I saw it was now the official release version of Xcode, and am now realising that was a serious mistake. Just as one example, opening the archives window causes huge slowdowns and delays of 30 seconds or so before I can select a menu or perform any action related to archives. I haven't pinned down the reason yet, but that sort of bug never should have made it into production.

    13. Re:I hate xcode 4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But..but...that wouldn't require you to have the latest version of OS X (since XCode 4 is now distributed through the AppStore and dropped support for the 10.5 API), would leave you with over 4GB more of hard drive space (what's the point in having all that space if you're not going to use it?), and not require you to re-download the full installer every time there was a point upgrade!

      +1,000,000

      What I'd give to be able to remove this vagazzle from my machines and have Apple ship something like the GNUStep Makefiles with cross compiler support.

      Apple have some horrendously greasy engineering. The .mac / iweb pages were an example of that -- reams of javascript and javascript based redirects to display a static html document in the client browser. The situation with XCode is the same, it's overly complex and much less efficient than the command line toolchain used behind the scenes.

    14. Re:I hate xcode 4 by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      I've seen this bug, too, with the build-and-analyze stuff. I think the bug that mine was a dup of has been fixed already, so your problem might just go away in the Xcode build that came with this SDK beta.

      If it's still there, go back to your bugs and if you haven't already, attach a test project that reproduces the bug along with detailed steps to reproduce. That tends to make these sorts of problems a lot easier to find and fix. If it hasn't been fixed by now, that probably means that it only reproduces with certain project settings or structure, so without attaching a test project, you might be waiting a long time for them to find and fix the bug. :-)

      At least in my case, I found that there are two ways to get lists of errors, and that when the error messages are displayed in the leftmost column, they don't jump to the right line in the file, but when they are displayed in the next column over, they do. Dig around and see if you can find another view that displays those same errors. If you can, I'd imagine you'll find that it will work.

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    15. Re:I hate xcode 4 by Trillan · · Score: 1

      You're kidding right? Only a few releases ago, Xcode 3 produced code that hard crashed on armv6. A few months before that, it produced code that potentially crashed on startup, but only when re-signed by Apple's keys.

      I can't remember the last time I fought code signing problems for a full day, but I can assure you it was with Xcode 3 not 4.

      This is the way it is, and if anything it's getting better as time goes on.

    16. Re:I hate xcode 4 by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Seriously.... I thought the problem was with xcode 4.

      In what way is not being able to handle arbitrary paths to your source code not a problem in Xcode 4? If this turns out to be the issue, you should report the bug to Apple.

      I haven't upgraded to Xcode 4 yet because of all the stuff I've read mainly on the Xcode mail list about how bad it is. If the people who have problems report them to Apple, hopefully, it won't stay bad.

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  6. Re:What is the point of this story? by martin-boundary · · Score: 2

    Neither. This is a helpful announcement for the Android dev team at Google, because the iOS dev team knows they read slashdot...

  7. Re:What is the point of this story? by INeededALogin · · Score: 1

    If beta 2 is out then it's indicative that iOS 5 isn't too far from public release. There are enough people who aren't registered developers but who may find this interesting that it's worthwhile running.

    No no no... the point of a story being on Slashdot is to encourage discussions. All this story has encouraged is for people, like me, to question why it is here. Especially when we are only a single major bug away from a beta 3 or beta 4.

    This is madness!

  8. Re:What is the point of this story? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All this story has encouraged is for people, like me, to question why it is here. Especially when we are only a single major bug away from a beta 3 or beta 4.

      This is madness!

    Yeah it's definitely far less sensible than stories like: "Linux 3.0 Will Be Faster Than 2.6.39"

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  9. Re:only if it fixes bugs by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    I think it's an Eddie Murphy routine.

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    "I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)

  10. I'm sure Apple released iOS 5 Beta for... by pizzach · · Score: 1

    more than 2 developers, no? Sounds stingy.

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  11. Make sure you have backups and read the dev forums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check the dev forums before installing.

    This release seems to be a bit problematic. Some people are reporting bricking. Some reporting inability to install. So far, the new beta of iTunes is refusing to backup my 5b1 devices at all - sync failing...

  12. Re:Make sure you have backups and read the dev for by mikestew · · Score: 2

    So far, the new beta of iTunes is refusing to backup my 5b1 devices at all - sync failing...

    You know Apple goes to the trouble of providing release notes for reasons other than just the sake of typing them, right?

  13. Pretty far I'd say by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I don't have beta 2 yet, but people had issues with beta 1... (which is to be expected from a beta after all!).

    But there have been several iterations of iOS before, so I think it's at least september before we see iOS5 delivered.

    How you will know the release is really close, is when developers are allowed to submit iOS5 applications...

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  14. Re:What is the point of this story? by bonch · · Score: 1

    The summary is non-informative, but one of the new features in iOS 5 beta 2 is that wireless syncing is now enabled. Hey, at least it's something to talk about.

  15. Okay, I'm an Apple fanboy... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

    ...and even I'm having trouble caring about this. It's one thing when they talk about it on the Mac news and rumors sites I go to, but here too? Come on. They've already announced it, so it's not like we're getting a sneak peek of some forbidden information. The features are already known, nothing newsworthy has been discovered yet, and it's not available to the public, but will be soon. Its release will be newsworthy in a few months, but the release of a beta build of it that's only for developers and doesn't change much, let alone signal when a potential release date might be? No.

    1. Re:Okay, I'm an Apple fanboy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find your lack of faith disturbing.

    2. Re:Okay, I'm an Apple fanboy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, if you're just a user, this may not be interesting or noteworthy. But this is Slashdot, where not everyone is just a user...

    3. Re:Okay, I'm an Apple fanboy... by macs4all · · Score: 1

      ...and even I'm having trouble caring about this. It's one thing when they talk about it on the Mac news and rumors sites I go to, but here too? Come on. They've already announced it, so it's not like we're getting a sneak peek of some forbidden information. The features are already known, nothing newsworthy has been discovered yet, and it's not available to the public, but will be soon. Its release will be newsworthy in a few months, but the release of a beta build of it that's only for developers and doesn't change much, let alone signal when a potential release date might be? No.

      So, your interest level is so low, that you felt compelled to click on the story just to bitch about its very existence?

      Pro tip: When encountering a headline for a story for which you have little to no interest, simply direct your attention to other stories. That way, you won't feel compelled to bitch about the story that you didn't care about, thus polluting slashdot's database with even more useless infromation, with your useless comments about useless (to you) information.

      Or are you just trying to make slashdot's backups take longer, and waste everyone's time and energy, who apparently did find the story of interest?

      No, don't you have a bridge to guard?

    4. Re:Okay, I'm an Apple fanboy... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      the changelog upward is worth a look. you know, for real dirt and not just marketing shit which we know already can be just marketing shit since this is consumer computers we're talking about.

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    5. Re:Okay, I'm an Apple fanboy... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      I find it rich that a guy who posted a 6-point list of grievances against Slashdot is trying to tell me off for listing a single one. I typically do follow your advice and simply ignore stories I don't want to read, but when an article isn't "stuff that matters", I don't see a problem in people pointing it out (though I typically do not do so myself).

  16. Re:What is the point of this story? by WankersRevenge · · Score: 1

    right ... because no one at google is a certified apple developer ...

  17. Re:What is the point of this story? by tm2b · · Score: 1

    No. Apple (in fact, Jobs at the WDCC) already announced that iOS 5 is this Fall.

    And, here's the Apple Press Release.

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  18. Re:Make sure you have backups and read the dev for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude.

    Don't mix Beta versions, for any project anywhere, unless you absolutely know it's safe. I mean, Beta already is a big red flag saying you might screw yourself over by installing it, and combining it with a mismatched unstable version? That's just looking for trouble.

  19. Re:only if it fixes bugs by chartreuse · · Score: 1

    No, it's a transcript of Nixon in the White House.

  20. Hulu + and other video apps are working by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hulu + and Netflix are working on the latest build.

  21. So what? by lolococo · · Score: 0

    Is /. a new advertising service for Apple now? What next?

    1. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The /. app

    2. Re:So what? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Is /. a new advertising service for Apple now? What next?

      No, it's an advertising service for Bitcoin. Come on guy, keep up with us.

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  22. Dammit slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't we have a good old Bitcoin story?
    I am fucking tired of this Apple/Microsoft bullshit!

  23. Re:Make sure you have backups and read the dev for by alobar72 · · Score: 1

    +1 funny *g*

  24. How to get a UDID ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tried to get a UDID with registermybeta;com ...they're very faaaaast and friendly, don't hesitate to get one, I am now running ios5b2 on my iPhone :D

  25. Almost catching up with Android... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

    ...as we've had wireless sync-ing and notification icons for, oh, at least 2 years now.

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    1. Re:Almost catching up with Android... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Yeah, right, 'cos we all know Google didn't steal, sorry, borrow just about the whole fucking UI when they delivered Android.

    2. Re:Almost catching up with Android... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      You might want to get a doctor to look at that exposed nerve ending...

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    3. Re:Almost catching up with Android... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He had a point though. The entire mobile^Wcomputing industry is based on stealing each others ideas.

    4. Re:Almost catching up with Android... by macs4all · · Score: 1

      ...as we've had wireless sync-ing and notification icons for, oh, at least 2 years now.

      I really don't think Android fanbois want to get into a discussion about who stole what from who...

      Now, STFU, troll.

    5. Re:Almost catching up with Android... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And with the iOS 5 betas, it looks like we're getting another thing copied from Android: shitty battery life.

  26. Re:What is the point of this story? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

    Yeah, sorry about that.

    Rumour has it that Slashdot is shortly releasing a special section for Apple users where you only get access if you prove you are a stockbroker or art student with an income in excess of £80,000 p.a. and a man-bag.

    Thus you will be able to stay well away from we smelly hippies with our open-toed sandals.

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  27. Re:What is the point of this story? by macs4all · · Score: 1

    Speaking as a smelly hippy myself...

    It's US smelly hippies; not WE smelly hippies.

    The way you can decide which is correct is to remove the word following the "we" or "us" (in this case, "hippies"), and then see which one "sounds" right.

    For example, which one "sounds" right?: "...stay away from we...", or "...stay away from us..."?

    No trying to be pedantic; just trying to be helpful. That is, unless you want continue sounding like an idiot...

  28. Re:What is the point of this story? by macs4all · · Score: 1

    right ... because no one at google is a certified apple developer ...

    That's silly!

    Of COURSE they are; how else would they be able to steal all those iOS features so quickly!

    (ducks)

  29. Re:What is the point of this story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speaking as a smelly hippy myself...

    It's US smelly hippies; not WE smelly hippies.

    The way you can decide which is correct is to remove the word following the "we" or "us" (in this case, "hippies"), and then see which one "sounds" right.

    For example, which one "sounds" right?: "...stay away from we...", or "...stay away from us..."?

    No trying to be pedantic; just trying to be helpful. That is, unless you want continue sounding like an idiot...

    Peace, love and understanding, eh?

  30. A revolution by meisterk · · Score: 1

    ... I cannot text, mail, and make any call anymore but boy that paradigm shift a game changer! Don't forget this is a .0 release you trolls.

  31. Re:What is the point of this story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's wrong with it?

    CAPTCHA: Remedial

  32. Re:only if it fixes bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given the references to Bush and Steve Jobs, Nixon was more foresighted than we thought.

  33. Re:What is the point of this story? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

    Ignoring the fact that I'm in the UK and therefore what is grammatically correct in English may vary across the various dialects over the world, doesn't the US constitution contain the phrase "We the people" rather than "Us the people".

    And not trying to be pedantic either but it should be "unless you want TO continue sounding like an idiot".

    --
    Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
  34. Re:What is the point of this story? by macs4all · · Score: 1

    Ignoring the fact that I'm in the UK and therefore what is grammatically correct in English may vary across the various dialects over the world, doesn't the US constitution contain the phrase "We the people" rather than "Us the people".

    And not trying to be pedantic either but it should be "unless you want TO continue sounding like an idiot".

    Ok, strap in, guv'ner, because 'ere we go!

    Because it is frankly a seldom-used sentence structure in modern english (on either side of the pond), I had forgotten about the "us" vs. "we" exception that deals with something called "apositives".

    The difference is when the us/we is used as the subject of the sentence (e.g. We the People), as opposed to the object of the sentence (e.g. stay away from US).

    We/us when used as the subject of a sentence, often occurs in a sentence clause that is separated by a comma. The acutal phrase is "We the people of the United States,...". Note that you could actually remove all the words after the "We", up to the comma, and the sentence would "read" the same. Also note that, besides making nearly all Americans cry, the we/us rule of "sounding right" would obviously be violated by replacing the "we" with "us" at the beginning of the U.S. Constitution.

    Here is a page object that addresses that very subject, using "We the people" as the example.

    And, if you consider when the U.S. Constitution was written, and by whom (ex-Brits), I think you would agree that it would have far more "U.K. English" grammatical forms than modern "U.S. English". Besides, I really don't think that "which English" matters on the us/we rule. If I am incorrect on that point, please feel free to educate me.

    As for the missing "to" in my last sentence, that would be a "typo", not a grammatical error. I wasn't very awake when I posted my comment, and simply overlooked the missing "to", sorry!

    But thanks for pointing it out, you damned dirty hippie! ;-)

  35. I love you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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