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The Crypto Project Revives Cypherpunk Ethic

Trailrunner7 writes "When a small group of activists announced the debut of The Crypto Project earlier this year, for many, ahem, mature, security and privacy advocates it brought to mind memories of the original cypherpunk movement that began in the 1990s and that group's seminal efforts to encourage the use of strong cryptography and anonymity online, as well as its successes and failures. The two groups are not allied by anything other than ideology, but The Crypto Project's leaders are aiming to follow in the footsteps of the cypherpunks, build on their accomplishments and make security and privacy tools freely available to the masses. The group is working on a number of projects right now, including setting up an anonymous remailer, putting up a Convergence notary and setting up a Tahoe-LAFS grid. Threatpost has an interview with Sir Valiance, one of the leaders of the project, who talks about the need for better privacy and anonymity online and why the cypherpunks are still important today."

77 comments

  1. I CRIED by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 0

    The day I could no longer log in to the NYT site with the credentials "cypherpunk:cypherpunk".

    Ah. Innocence so fragile. How soon it departs...

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    1. Re:I CRIED by CryptoJones · · Score: 0

      cpunks:cpunks has been working fine... CP's not dead ;)

      Maybe not dead, but Keanu Reaves did what he could to kill it!

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    2. Re:I CRIED by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      cpunks:cpunks has been working fine... CP's not dead ;)

      So it does, thank you!

      Better keep this a secret.

    3. Re:I CRIED by metamatic · · Score: 1

      Also cypherpunk2:cypherpunk

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    4. Re:I CRIED by thePuck77 · · Score: 1

      Thanks! Wish you were logged in so I could mod you up.

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  2. Anonymous remailer?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    won't that just get used for spam?

    1. Re:Anonymous remailer?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There already are such things on the darknets. Spammers don't bother because using compromised machines is far more effective.

  3. Privacy and anonymity online... by countertrolling · · Score: 1, Interesting

    That will never be possible when you're on their wire. never never never... The entire concept is absurd.

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    1. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by vadim_t · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The whole point of encryption is making it so that sending your stuff over somebody else's wire doesn't let them know what it is.

      As for anonymity, there are ways for that as well, like what Tor does.

      True, the owner of the wire has quite a lot of control, but to truly make encryption and Tor impossible would mean changing the way the net works so radically that it would become a lot less useful. And then people will come up with some way around that, like adhoc wifi networks or something of that sort.

    2. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by BlackSabbath · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not so sure about that. There is no end to the layers of obfuscation and detection which leads to an arms-race where (for short periods) anonymity and privacy are theoretically (and for those committed enough, practically) possible.
      However as far as arms-races go, I believe this one is asymmetric. It eventually has only one solution (for the state): outlaw encryption.

    3. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by Skreems · · Score: 1

      At which point undetectable encryption methods like stenography become a lot more interesting...

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    4. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    5. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by Securityemo · · Score: 2

      You only need to make it "prohibitively expensive" to detect? On the other hand, you still need to invent and distribute the steganography software. If the listener knows the stenographic channels then the game is up, yes?
      On the third hand, maybe you could make a stenographic system that would require analysing so much data that it'd be too expensive to try to detect even if the adversary knew about the stenographic channels? Like hiding it in a protocol that has grotesque traffic volumes (eg., bittorrent)?

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    6. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 3, Interesting

      True, the owner of the wire has quite a lot of control, but to truly make encryption and Tor impossible would mean changing the way the net works so radically that it would become a lot less useful.

      Whishful thinking. How many people do you know personally that run a Tor exit node? How many of them would you consider 100% trustworthy? Compromised exit nodes offer a lot of possibilities: browser ID'ing, code injection, traffic analysis. How about the programs you run over Tor. Are you 100% sure they don't leak private information? Have you checked their source code and internet protocols? What about the endpoints? Are they secure? Do they use SSL? Which SSL encryption do they use, super-secure RC4 like Google search? Can you be identified from your browsing behavior?

      Agencies like the NSA have the expertise, the money, and the infrastructure to own the majority of exit nodes. Not only that, if they wanted to and got the funding, they could easily own the majority of all Tor nodes. I'm not saying that they do or that you should assume they do (they might not have an incentive, as they are probably already drowning more valuable data), but that you shouldn't rely on Tor's anonymity too much.

      Moreover, bear in mind what others have already pointed out. There are many dirty tricks to undermine the trustworthiness of projects, especially since it's highly likely that many private crypto implementors are on the secret payroll of some government. Take e.g. a look at Wikileaks for the results of such campaigns.

      However, if a government wants to get rid of Tor officially there is a much easier way. They just prohibit it and that's it. Use of Tor is easy to identify. The same for encryption in general. Or you just make it illegal not to give away the password to authorities when they want it like in the fascist UK.

    7. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by vadim_t · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Whishful thinking. How many people do you know personally that run a Tor exit node? How many of them would you consider 100% trustworthy? Compromised exit nodes offer a lot of possibilities: browser ID'ing, code injection, traffic analysis. How about the programs you run over Tor. Are you 100% sure they don't leak private information? Have you checked their source code and internet protocols? What about the endpoints? Are they secure? Do they use SSL? Which SSL encryption do they use, super-secure RC4 like Google search? Can you be identified from your browsing behavior?

      You're not supposed to trust a Tor exit node. Every Tor instruction I've seen mentions that you should use an anonymizing proxy to erase the things that allow browser IDing.

      For leaking private information, there exist programs that monitor traffic and tell you when for instance DNS requests are made without going through Tor.

      Yes, getting all this right is certainly tricky. But it's not a new idea, and countermeasures for untrustworthy exit nodes are already in place.

      However, if a government wants to get rid of Tor officially there is a much easier way. They just prohibit it and that's it. Use of Tor is easy to identify. The same for encryption in general. Or you just make it illegal not to give away the password to authorities when they want it like in the fascist UK.

      But that's where what I said about making the internet less useful comes in. Yes, the government can forbid encryption. But what about the countless VPNs used by foreign companies, internet banking and shopping, the myriad of old or embedded systems that automatically do encrypted transfers, the encryption built into operating systems?

      In some backward third world country that might be possible, but anywhere else such a thing would carry a very high cost attached.

      Then if it still happens, people will figure out how to transfer data in a hidden way.

    8. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Agencies like the NSA have the expertise, the money, and the
      > infrastructure to own the majority of exit nodes.

      Or own Google...

    9. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But that's where what I said about making the internet less useful comes in. Yes, the government can forbid encryption. But what about the countless VPNs used by foreign companies, internet banking and shopping, the myriad of old or embedded systems that automatically do encrypted transfers, the encryption built into operating systems?

      Key escrow where the government has a master key. This has been suggested, demanded, or even implemented by governments already in the past. (Regarding the "older embedded systems", I'd doubt any of them is secure btw...)

      That being said, there might be a political problem in many democratic countries with weakening encryption in this way nowadays. But that depends on the circumstances. Add another major economic crisis and a few terrorist attacks and you might have to say good-bye to encryption without government-owned master key.

    10. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      you hide your steganographic messages in alt.binaries.boneless, the traffic is monumental and the retention on some servers is amazing...

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    11. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      If you want any sort of guarantee for the confidentiality and integrity of your data, you do the same thing over tor that you would have to do without it: Never initiate any non-SSL or non-certified connection, configure your browser not to transmit any identifying data (user agent, referer, cookies) and for heaven's sake do not run any scripts or plugins.

      Without these precautions, all that tor does is expose your information to unknown spies (the exit node) in addition to known spies (your ISP, the carriers, various national governments, advertisers, etc.). With them, tor will ensure that in addition to data integrity and secrecy, you'll be immune to traffic analysis, so that neither the server nor any intermediate node can deduce your physical location, nor can any non-exit node identify the server.

      This is the reason torproject.org has lots of warnings about how to properly use tor - used in the wrong way, it can be completely ineffective or harmful.

    12. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by plover · · Score: 1

      Stenography is the way a court reporter types up a transcript of what was said.
      Steganography is secret writing hidden in something else.
      Two different words.

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    13. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At which point undetectable encryption methods like stenography become a lot more interesting...

      And...

      mount sc.foo.org:/home /mnt/home/sc

      df | grep sc

      echo "padpadpadpaditsaredherringpadchasemyduckitswildpadpadoohlookdfhaschangedpad" > sc/rubbish

      secret channels...

    14. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by CryptoJones · · Score: 1

      Undetectable? Anyone can goto school for stenography.

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    15. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Agencies like the NSA have the expertise, the money, and the infrastructure to own the majority of exit nodes.

      I do not think anyone realistically believes that they can defeat the NSA. Yet there are numerous other government agencies in various countries around the world who do not have the capabilities that the NSA has, and who can do far greater harm than the NSA. Just because it would be difficult to defeat the world's most powerful and best funded signals intelligence agency does not mean that Tor or the anonymous remailer network are worthless.

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    16. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by CryptoJones · · Score: 0

      The whole point of encryption is making it so that sending your stuff over somebody else's wire doesn't let them know what it is.

      This!

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    17. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, no wonder I only hear static in those Katy Perry MP3s.

    18. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      You know, I used to play with the nym remailers, and the mixmaster stuff....I tried to set up a nym acct. awhile back and could never get it to work again.

      Are they still out there and still functioning?

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    19. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Remailers are still functional, although as far as I know they are mostly used for posting to Usenet. I am not sure if pseudonymous remailers are widely used these days, but mixmaster and cypherpunks remailers get a lot of traffic.

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    20. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by Tom · · Score: 1

      However as far as arms-races go, I believe this one is asymmetric. It eventually has only one solution (for the state): outlaw encryption.

      At which point we bring out the myriad crypto schemes that make encrypted content indistinguishable from plain text. It is really easy to "encrypt" a text not into bytes, but into english words. Yeah, it won't give you a meaningful sentence - label it as an avant-garde poem and you're good.

      There are more refined ways that work even better. I think there even was one that generated Shakespearean sonnets as output.

      Then there's the whole stego area. Google for "snow" and have fun.

      In the end, outlawing crypto is creating a thought-crime. There are surprisingly strong encryption algorithms that you can do with a pack of cards, or on paper, by hand. You don't even need a computer to do encryption.

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    21. Re:Privacy and anonymity online... by Vegemeister · · Score: 1

      The game is not up. Properly encrypted data is statistically indistinguishable from random data. Just encrypt your data and hide it in the last 8 bits of noise in 24 bit 192 kHz audiophile grade FLAC torrents. And then you're only expanding your data by somewhat less than a factor of 3 (FLAC compresses the first 16 bits). That's actually not particularly worse than the existing anonymous nets (Tor, Freenet, i2p).

  4. But that's unnecessary by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 4, Interesting

    to truly make encryption and Tor impossible would mean changing the way the net works so radically that it would become a lot less useful.

    Ah, but to defeat Tor or encryption, it doesn't have to be made impossible - it just has to be made so as to be not trustworthy. So let's say a friendly agency captured a few (or more) Tor nodes, and co-opted a few root certificates (ahem, Iran). These tools don't have to be defeated 100% of the time, they just have to be defeated in principle for them to crumble.

    It's sort of like privacy terrorism - the targets are largely symbolic rather than practical, and the goal is to instill fear rather than defeat in a straightforward manner.

    And then people will come up with some way around that, like adhoc wifi networks or something of that sort.

    Which, I fear, would allow even easier avenue of attack for certain organizations who like to do that. Anything ad-hoc has to be able to find a way to trust something it's never met before (by definition). That's prone to attack too. There are advantages and weaknesses to both centralization and decentralization.

  5. It will only make governments more ruthless by elucido · · Score: 2

    Encryption isn't good enough to stop extraordinary rendition. The government essentially views anyone who uses encryption in an ubiquitous opportunistic way as a terrorist. Encryption didn't protect Bradley Manning from Adrian Lamo. Encryption will only force the governments to rely on informants, which means the government which can't break your code will focus instead on breaking you.

    So if you don't give up your key prepare to be tortured until you do. That's how code breaking actually works. Also prepare to be burglarized, keylogged, surveillanced around the clock, dumpster dived, and generally treated as a member of a mafia or terrorist group.

    If you want an idea of what it's like, here you go http://www.jbhfile.com/harm_gang.html

    1. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by sammyF70 · · Score: 2

      Obligatory : xkcd tells it as it is. (and yet, even knowing this, I still encrypt data I think is worth it)

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    2. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by c0lo · · Score: 1

      "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

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    3. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read a few pages on that link, jbhfile.com, and I seriously believe the guy really is schizophrenic. Or maybe I am just an FBI agent trying to "Gang Stalk" him (you?) over Slashdot... either way, not a credible source for anything.

    4. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Rather than reading (possibly schizophrenic) ramblings on the Internet, go see Das Leben der Anderen ("The Lives of Others"; I think it's out in English now), about a writer who becomes the target of surveillance by the East German Stasi. Very, very frightening stuff, even with the relatively low-tech equipment they had back then.

    5. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by Skreems · · Score: 1

      The article you linked includes claims that he caught on to FBI surveillance because he noticed that the name on a piece of spam email was the same as a character in a movie he'd watched. That man is obviously unbalanced, and needs proper medical attention.

      This is a great example of failure to apply the "you're just not that important" rule of paranoia.

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    6. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article you linked includes claims that he caught on to FBI surveillance because he noticed that the name on a piece of spam email was the same as a character in a movie he'd watched. That man is obviously unbalanced, and needs proper medical attention.

      This is a great example of failure to apply the "you're just not that important" rule of paranoia.

      I would draw an even grimmer conclusion from that. FBI's got nothing on him. Google, OTOH, ...

    7. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by maxume · · Score: 2

      I use encryption to mitigate the consequences of my computer being physically stolen (by an opportunistic thief, I can't imagine a scenario where someone would target my data...).

      XKCDs wrench-wielding gibbons do not speak to that use.

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    8. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by dyingtolive · · Score: 1

      I saw that movie. It was hella depressing. :(

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    9. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      the government which can't break your code will focus instead on breaking you.

      Increasing the attacker's costs is a good thing. I don't know about your government, but my government can't afford (either economically or politically) to torture hundreds of thousands of their own citizens per day. And they can't do it without those citizens finding out that it's happening ("um.. what's this pain in my knee? Oh, hi there. What are you doing?" "Give me the key!!!"). That's a big step up from the current situation.

      Resisting abusive power doesn't make it more ruthless; it reveals and exposes its ruthlessness. Call their bluff, and if it's not a bluff, then they will be voted out.

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    10. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only defense to that is what was mentioned in the first paragraphy of the PGP manual -- get everyone to do it, just like letters in envelopes.

      These days, most mailers support S/MIME. This at least would protect from low level attacks, requiring active MITM in order to defeat. Ideally, PGP support should be part of every MUA, especially on smartphones, because PGP offers a WoT which far more secure than a hierarchical CA system which our Farsi speaking friends have shown us, can be broken with ease.

    11. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      Of course it's worth it, because the cost of a wrench (and using it) is astronomical compared to passively intercepting plaintext. And wrench-use is much more easily detected, too.

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    12. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a way that is a good thing. It means that a repressive government has to crack down and actively attack its citizens as opposed to just quietly watching traffic flow by and the few people that are firebrands, have them disappear.

      A tyrannical government has a higher chance of falling if their citizens know that this is happening as opposed to just people vanishing off the edges.

      No, encryption won't stop a rubber hose, but it means that a government has to have a thug system in place, with the corresponding blowback from that.

    13. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by elucido · · Score: 1

      Of course it's worth it, because the cost of a wrench (and using it) is astronomical compared to passively intercepting plaintext. And wrench-use is much more easily detected, too.

      Only this isn't going to be the case 90% of the time.

    14. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by elucido · · Score: 1

      the government which can't break your code will focus instead on breaking you.

      Increasing the attacker's costs is a good thing. I don't know about your government, but my government can't afford (either economically or politically) to torture hundreds of thousands of their own citizens per day. And they can't do it without those citizens finding out that it's happening ("um.. what's this pain in my knee? Oh, hi there. What are you doing?" "Give me the key!!!"). That's a big step up from the current situation.

      Resisting abusive power doesn't make it more ruthless; it reveals and exposes its ruthlessness. Call their bluff, and if it's not a bluff, then they will be voted out.

      This is because you assume torture would cost a lot of money. When the government knows everything about you, it's only a matter of time before their trained psychologists learn which buttons to push. And if all else fails they can simply threaten your family and you'd give up the keys. So I don't think it really would cost very much for any government to do that to thousands of people or even millions, since the same torture tactics will probably work on thousands of people it's not like they'd have much difficulty.

      If you have a family and they cant crack your shit, then they could threaten to go after your family on bullshit charges unless you give them the key to your shit. The reasoning being if they cannot crack your shit they can compel you to open your shit. This is why encryption isn't effective, especially if the government is relatively high tech like the US government or even Pakinstan.

    15. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by elucido · · Score: 1

      In a way that is a good thing. It means that a repressive government has to crack down and actively attack its citizens as opposed to just quietly watching traffic flow by and the few people that are firebrands, have them disappear.

      A tyrannical government has a higher chance of falling if their citizens know that this is happening as opposed to just people vanishing off the edges.

      No, encryption won't stop a rubber hose, but it means that a government has to have a thug system in place, with the corresponding blowback from that.

      In a way that is a good thing. It means that a repressive government has to crack down and actively attack its citizens as opposed to just quietly watching traffic flow by and the few people that are firebrands, have them disappear.

      A tyrannical government has a higher chance of falling if their citizens know that this is happening as opposed to just people vanishing off the edges.

      No, encryption won't stop a rubber hose, but it means that a government has to have a thug system in place, with the corresponding blowback from that.

      In a way that is a good thing. It means that a repressive government has to crack down and actively attack its citizens as opposed to just quietly watching traffic flow by and the few people that are firebrands, have them disappear.

      A tyrannical government has a higher chance of falling if their citizens know that this is happening as opposed to just people vanishing off the edges.

      No, encryption won't stop a rubber hose, but it means that a government has to have a thug system in place, with the corresponding blowback from that.

      How is that good? There is no one to protect those citizens. Just knowing it is happening doesn't mean the government has a higher chance of failing. Citizens around the world know governments hate encryption and that includes citizens within the USA who know their government tortures and kills. It's not that people don't know, it's more that people can't do anything about it because governments work together to crack codes, torture and kill individuals.

      On top of that, individual citizens cannot trust corporations, as corporations are even more ruthless than governments. So I don't know what good you will have in exposing them. Extraordinary rendition is already common knowledge in the USA, and it hasn't stopped the government from doing what it does here so why would we think Pakistan would be an exception? In China I'm sure they know about the great firewall but it hasn't stopped the Chinese government from applying it.

    16. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by gknoy · · Score: 1

      I think that what he means is, most data that we encrypt are things that we'd be more than willing to surrender to a force-wielding attacker. Similar to how one gives one's wallet to muggers, it's pretty straightforward to say "Oh, that drive. That's my encrypted drive of family photos and baby videos."

    17. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by gknoy · · Score: 1

      What's interesting is, regardless of whether he actually experienced it (or if the experiences he has are correctly explained by his explanations), a lot of it seems like it WOULD work. Social pressure is pretty interesting, and one could certainly imagine a group of teens harassing someone in some of those ways.

      But yes, just looking at the headings of the main page makes it easy for one to think he's a crackpot.

    18. Re:It will only make governments more ruthless by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      The mugger analogy is excellent, because even though most people will just hand their wallets over to a mugger, the mugger doesn't know which people actually have money in their wallets and which ones don't, until after he's mugged them. And every mugging carries some risk to the mugger, even though it's fairly low.

      If you work as a mugger on a fairly small scale (mug ten people per day), perhaps you can eventually make enough money to retire before you get killed or arrested. I don't know.

      But if you set out to mug every single citizen or even a significant fraction of the population (say about 1%; 30 million Americans) then that risk per mugging can be absurdly low, and still nearly guarantee that the mugger will be killed or arrested prior to completing his mission.

      Passive snooping doesn't carry that risk, but if The People (rather than merely "people of interest") take the counter-measure of encrypting, then all that's left for abusive power to counter that with, are high-risk strategies that will get them nothing but eventual detection and defeat.

      You can't show your wrenches to 30 million people and expect not a single one of them to tell the media what happened. And let's say your goons can show their wrenches convincingly to ten people per hour, and they work for $10 per hour. The project just cost $30 million dollars. Talking about the project in terms of the cost of a wrench in this context, sounds like a pretty slimey sales pitch to me. Do not buy wrenches from Randall Munroe! It's a scam, I promise.

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  6. there is conflict of interest of state and citizen by kubitus · · Score: 1
    just a few messages earlier slashdot reports:

    "... Pakistan has now officially told all of the country's ISPs that they need to block all encrypted VPNs since content running over such services cannot be monitored by the government."

    It is not only Pakistans government who has interests like this but also the US and the EU ( and every other government ) They justify spying, eavesdropping, wiretapping and backdoor-peeping with fighting criminal activities, move over to terrorism and end up with the dilemma that it gives them the power to extend these activity unnoticed to every citizen for their own benefit.

    Then we have arrived at a totalitarian state of the type the West & NATO ( US and UK mostly ) critiziced and fought in the form of the Sovietunion and their Allies using the same oppressive methods improved by the digital technology!

    With the Kindle the observation of the citizien in his very home like in 1984 has become a reality!

  7. Matter of culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What they should do is develop some email client that is absolutely better than any other that ever existed, one that supports encryption in a very, very easy, intuitive way, and make encryption a default configuration option in that new, super awesome client. Then lots of people would use encryption. And after well nigh every Tom, Dick and Harry is using encryption, no one will be deemed a suspect just for using encryption.

  8. Just about time, if not a bit too late by c0lo · · Score: 2

    DNS hijacking (DHS doing MAFIAA a favor)
    Unreliable CA (all over the world)
    Online censorship (in China and Australia)
    Spying on citizens to different degrees (from "surfing history only" - in EU and Australia - to "everything that goes online" in Iran)
    With hundreds of millions not caring enough to protect whatever identifies them on Faecebook, G+ and others.

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    1. Re:Just about time, if not a bit too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no censorship or data retention in Australia, they were brought up, but cannot pass without opposition party support

    2. Re:Just about time, if not a bit too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Answers to your points:

      DNS hijacking: Namecoin
      Unreliable CA: CACert, Namecoin
      Online censorship: TOR, Namecoin, Bitcoin
      Spying on citizens to different degrees: GPG, TOR, Bitcoin

      Powerful tools exist today. The problem is making them useable and intelligently promoting their use. These are not trivial problems because opposition has access to more powerful media/marketing. Facebook/Google+ are good examples of this. Because of the nature of powerful companies, they will do everything they can to promote distrust of these tools and people who use those tools. We are all familiar with their techniques.

    3. Re:Just about time, if not a bit too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly what they want you to think. the specifics of any activity need not be mentioned in parliament for its execution.

    4. Re:Just about time, if not a bit too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FB/G+ don't have to promote distrust. They just offer people a perfectly honest transaction: "Give us your most personal information, and in return we will provide a set of convenient services to manage your social life." A lot of people accept. People like socialising.

    5. Re:Just about time, if not a bit too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no censorship or data retention in Australia, they were brought up, but cannot pass without opposition party support

      You know this for a fact do you? 3rd floor pink building, cnr Antill and Northbourne, Dickson, ACT. They just authorise listening devices, monitor traffic lights and speed cameras there right?(sigh) Or did you think TeleTech was BigPuddle? (and no I'm not really in Germany)

    6. Re:Just about time, if not a bit too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't "perfectly honest." Are the costs to "users" fully enumerated?

    7. Re:Just about time, if not a bit too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Joke's on them, I use Adblock, NoScript, don't play any silly "games" on social networking sites, and never use them for anything important. If they want to waste part of their Hadoop install and data-mining algos on my ham-handed attempts at flirting, that's fine with me.

    8. Re:Just about time, if not a bit too late by c0lo · · Score: 1
      Sorry to disturb your sleep, but here are some facts:

      1. censorship - ISP voluntary filtering is up an' kicking (and don't give the "change your ISP", some of us can't do it)

      2. Web browsing history retention - quote: ZDNet Australia broke the news on Friday that the Federal Government Attorney-General's Department was considering how it could best implement a data retention regime in Australia..
      Please note: not "If it could implement..." but "how it could best implement...".

      Now, sleep tight and sweet dreams.

      --
      Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
    9. Re:Just about time, if not a bit too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Consisting of static addresses, not the dynamic filter they were trying to bring in. It's not currently illegal to use an alternative dns as far as I know either, rendering your "Change your ISP" point moot. This is not the same beast as a China-style government mandated filter.

      2. Right, so as of now, there's no data retention. It's patently false to say that Australia has data retention when it doesn't.

      I'm sorry if I was sleeping at the multiple protests I attended. As well as the the federal election when I filled out all the damn preferences.

  9. But think of the fbi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    poor fbiiiii

  10. Re:there is conflict of interest of state and citi by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    France went through this phase themselves. You could use only trivially broken crypto. They got over it. It will be interesting to see what happens in Pakistan.

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  11. BTNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better Than Nothing Security. It's lack of implementation is helping deep packet inspection everywhere.

  12. Re:there is conflict of interest of state and citi by plover · · Score: 1

    Except Amazon erased my copy of 1984, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

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    John
  13. Encryption Virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be interesting if a semi-rogue group like this implemented a virus that would propagate and install browser plugins like (defunct) firegpg (and similar for email clients, depending on what the user uses), generate keypairs, and submit them to a central key authority, and then just start encrypting peoples' emails for them. True to do it transparently, the keys would have to be stored clear on the users' computer, but even still, it would be a huge boost in privacy.

  14. For the Record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mr Kaspersky's empire is propaganda @ Threatpost
    Such articles are pro internet ID and anti anonymous and pro establishment cyber-what-ever-the-fuck-emergency-de-jour is. I Hate their site it reminds me of fucking CBS,

    I suggest h-online instead
    http://www.h-online.com/security/

  15. Back to basics time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was a subscriber on the cypherpunks list in its heyday until the signal to noise ratio put the list out of commission. At the time, the thing that scared people the most was the Clipper chip, and the second boot that would drop, forcing all encryption to use it. That, and ITAR regs.

    At this time, people would actually take the time to write a reply, encrypt it manually using PGP, and send it. These days, PGP can be accessed via a couple right clicks. We also have the option of better security as well, especially with smart cards that private keys can reside on, where even if a computer is compromised, key material can't be obtained.

    Maybe it is time to go back to some of the concepts that were discussed about back before Eternal September. One of those sounds passe, but can be useful -- a PGP keysigning gathering. Done right, people do not have to bring any computers to the party, just a paper in hand with a printout of people's public key IDs and fingerprints, and as people mingle, check off keys that are printed, and are vetted to your comfort level. Afterwards, go home, sign their keys and distribute them to keyservers.

    Over the years, we have lost a lot of PGP keyservers. Right now we have Symantec's keyserver for commercial use, MIT's, and a couple on pgp.net. Ideally, we should have more nodes that replicate with each other.

    I'm meaning the old style keyserver (as opposed to the style that one can delete a key explicitly) -- the ones where there is no way to delete a key. A key can be revoked and the revocation cert propagated, but once uploaded, a key will propagate among replicating servers. This, plus some other anti-tamper mechanisms (such as validating keys and WoTs) would help ensure that a compromised keyserver won't affect people using keys for their WoT. Since the keyserver is not a CA, it doesn't need to be trusted as much, especially if there are some integrity checks used such as checking signatures and key fingerprints.

    The ironic thing is that going back to having PGP signed/encrypted E-mails and other traffic would make life easier for all parties. If a company needed to be able to recover encrypted E-mails, that is what an ADK [1] is for (with MUAs putting up a warning that they will be encrypting to one.)

    [1]: I've encountered people who confused an ADK with key escrow. Those are two completely different mechanisms. An ADK makes sense for a firm that is under Sarbanes-Oxley or other regs mandating retention of communications.

  16. Re: Stenography by billstewart · · Score: 1

    And have you actually seen anybody doing stenography the last decade or two? Those people have been pretty much invisible since the Cypherpunks movement started - they were part of one of our great successes, Silent Trystero's Typing Pool...

    Stenography is different from what court reporters do, though both of them are trying to capture speech in real time. It's a shorthand version of writing that a well-trained secretary could use to capture notes that she'd then type up, and Dictaphones were a technical alternative. (I don't watch Mad Men, but they probably had somebody on there doing shorthand, as well as fetching coffee and smoking cigarettes in the office.)

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  17. Re: Stenography by The+Moof · · Score: 1

    Since you missed it above, the word you're looking for is steganography.

  18. The global web of trust and TSA gate rape by tepples · · Score: 1

    The web of trust can also be attacked by terrorists. In order to expand beyond a single city, a dense web of trust requires air travel in order to get participants to and from key signing parties far from home. Over the past decade, terrorists have been successful in convincing national transportation regulators to adopt security-theater measures that end up reducing the likelihood that a given person will fly and thus reduce the appeal of extending your web of trust at foreign key signing parties. This creates bottlenecks in the trust flow at those people who regularly attend international conventions, such as leaders of prominent free software projects, and those bottlenecks can be attacked much like a CA can be attacked.

  19. Tahoe-LAFS has been ported to I2P by Burz · · Score: 1

    I2P provides the anonymity layer for the filesystem.

  20. PGP vs keyloggers by elucido · · Score: 1

    Usually results in PGP being cracked. So just telling everyone to use PGP will only make the government rely more on wiretaps, bugging, keyloggers, hacking into your computer and waiting for you to type your passwords, and only when all that fails, physically raiding you.

  21. Re: Stenography vs. Steganography by billstewart · · Score: 1

    No, I actually was talking about stenography, as was CryptoJones, more or less (though we were also making fun of the people who'd used that term instead of steganography.) It's becoming a lost art, but some of the older folks here will remember those Gregg Shorthand books, and typing pools.

    With Steganography, some of the interesting directions to look are how to hide stuff in various video formats, both from the standpoint of how much you can hide from programs and also how much you can hide from visual perception.

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks