Generating Text From Functional Brain Images
Med-trump writes "Can you get a text output of your thoughts? Princeton scientists show that it is possible to generate text about the mental content reflected in brain images. The paper published in the journal Frontiers in Human Neuroscience describe the functional magnetic resonance imaging method used to identify areas of the brain activated when study participants thought about physical objects such as a carrot, a horse or a house."
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and it's amazing how close we're getting to what futurists call "the Singularity".
It's also amazing how a lot stuff from fiction (Terminator, Star Trek, Fringe) is coming true.
Portable computer pads from Star Trek are one thing, but stark raving mad science experiments from Fringe are a total 'nother. New world.
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Maybe this is the future of scanning? Stop people if they have any ideas of blowing the plane up in their head. Wonder what kinda privacy issues this will lead to, magneto's helmet anyone ?
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The potential for abuse with such technology is unfathomable.
I was walking over to an ATM machine the other day, when I realized that many other people have the same PIN number as me. I thought "they should have a personalized PIN number." Also, my bank still uses those old CRT tubes and they are hard to read, so they really need to upgrade the whole thing. Anyway I went into the bank to sit and talk to a representative about this, and I was reading a DC comic, and the light next to me was flickering. Damn that AC current! I took out my laptop, since I wanted to learn more about CSS style sheets. (Are they under the GPL license btw ?) After about 5 minutes of reading I had a headache - I felt like an ICBM missile had hit my head! Or maybe it was from my LCD display. What I need is a vacation I thought - so I went home and started to pack my SCUBA apparatus.
"Ok, here we go. Whatever you do don't think about blowing up the plane."
For me, reading the article immediately brought to mind the argument as to whether thought is a function of language, or whether language is a function of thought. I think that it's perhaps the latter, but that might only be true for abstract ideas (I don't know... I've never read any philosophy or studies on this, but I have pondered it in idle moments on occasion). Do thoughts rely on language at any point? Do the abstractions rely or draw upon language? And if so, are the thoughts of a non-English speaker "different", in some way, to the thoughts of an English speaker? (I'm just using English as an example -- don't read anything more into it than that). Perhaps egocentrism is something to think about as well. An example that comes to mind is the concept of time (see here, here here, and also the Aymaran language. I wonder how this "conversion" from thought/abstractions to language/description/communication really works.
Can the device tell the difference between someone who is intent on blowing up the plane and someone who is worried about the plane being blown up by someone else?
I bet not.
Not that this will stop anyone from trying, of course.
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I was more thinking along the lines of precog prosecuting "sex crimes" that haven't occurred...
if the TSA wants to give me a free fMRI I'm actually ok w/that - it's diagnostically useful & no worries about cancer. granted, it'd still be theatre (like that matters) but it'd sell a metric shitload of MRI machines making someone at Phillips and/or GE extremely rich & generate some serious kickba..., er - "campaign contribution" for senior congress-critters.
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Well, you'd have to have a revolution in MRI technology in order to use it on any sort of mass scale. You'd have to lower the costs (current MRI machines of that caliber cost upwards of $1M) and make it much faster (older ones could take as long as 40 minutes, newer ones are still far too slow to compare in speed to metal detectors or backscatter machines).
I'd think it would be a polygraph replacement before it becomes a crime scanner. If someone asks you "where are the bodies buried", the first thing you're going to think of is... where the bodies are buried. The only problem might be that strapping someone down and shoving them into a dark, noisy, claustrophobic tube might count as torture under more strict interpretations of the law, but if waterboarding is OK, I don't see how MRIs will be banned.
It's slowly coming. Read up about low-filed MRI. Los alamos lab.
I think Minority Report fathomed it pretty good.
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Just because I saw the Matrix last night and ponder how I could pull out two SMGs and mow down everyone in this lobby doesn't mean I plan to do so. Humans are easily manipulated and think about things they've just seen or done, so if you arrest people for violent thoughts you need to understand the context of those thoughts so you get the school shooters instead of the action film fan.
Do you really think any one has the time or ability to know every possible film/game/book/audio drama someone may have interacted with in the last week? I lived through it and I don't even remember half the stuff I've consumed in that period.
Wonder what kinda privacy issues this will lead to, magneto's helmet anyone ?
Tinfoil hats have been around for ages. We're ready.
We already know what's on a slashdot's mind.
Now imagine a little feedback, like an Eliza program conversation.
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Honest. I was just sitting in my seat when the stewardess walked by. And the first thing that popped into my head was 'blow'. And then the TSA officers stormed the plane and dragged me and every other male passenger off.
Have gnu, will travel.
What bout hooking up cats n women to this? Imagine a twitter feed from this hooked up to a lab rat
Think back to Steve Bierfeldt of Campaign for Liberty and his been found with "cash" should give you some idea.
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Add in some "magnetic resonance" medical treatment at the airport before the "diesel therapy" van takes you down town for a long chat with the feds?
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Thought crimes?? Better call the Thought Police.
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Although the authors do use the word "text" in the abstract, that is not what this study is about. They are not reading any characters or glyphs from the brain.
They built a map of the way some relationships between concepts are represented in the brain. Then they were able to observe the activation of those brain structures and get some information about what the person was thinking.
That is very cool, but it doesn't really have much to do with text.
They did use both text and pictures as stimuli. I think the authors are emphasizing "text" in order to make it clear that they believe they are finding high-level semantic concepts in the brain, not just visual images.
No.
First, Here's the link to the actual paper, not paywalled (link to full text also not paywalled):
http://www.frontiersin.org/human_neuroscience/10.3389/fnhum.2011.00072/abstract
Important points:
1. Nobody writing about this story has mentioned the crucial fact that this is specific to an individual- you have to go through a series of calibration exercises before the technique works. Thus, a general "scanning" device doesn't appear to be even a distant possibility.
2. The method is good at identifying general subject material, but not good at specifics. The example given is that if you're thinking about a carrot, it would be able to indicate you're thinking about food, or even specifically vegetables, but not neccesarily which vegetable.
3. There hasn't been any study of whether the patterns change over time, which would require re-calibration.
4. There hasn't been any study regarding whether or not the test can be intentionally fooled.
5. Other brain research has shown that it's not only simple, but actually intuitive, for Primates in general (not just humans) to alter their brain patterns in order to evoke a reaction in a reactive system.
It's a really neat idea, especially in regards to creating brain-machine interfaces for disabled folks, but again it seems to indicate that while regions of the brain are used for the same general purpose in every human, the specifics are wholly Unique. But when point 5 is considered, it seems to indicate that we will be able to invent some type of "mental pattern language" where people can train themselves to generate a specific pattern which will have an assumed "meaning". This would allow for tech-assisted "telepathic" communication and control of various systems.
But as a "brain scanner"... it's something you'd have to spend a long time working on an unwilling subject to get anywhere.
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Maybe this is the future of scanning? Stop people if they have any ideas of blowing the plane up in their head.
No plane would ever fly again since the scan would result in 100% of passengers and the entire crew being stopped. I mean, how does one NOT think of blowing up the plane when they know their thoughts are being scanned to find out if they're thinking about blowing up the plane?
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It's obviously open for all manners of consideration, but in terms of scanning brain activity, I strongly suspect that differentiating a person full of hate and anger from a person full of paranoia is far easier than differentiating a person thinking of an AK 47 from one thinking of a nuclear bomb.
I wonder about the statistics about the amount of people dieing in a plane blown up by direct action of an individual boarding the plane (other as a distracted pilot) and other deaths (like carcrashes) and the efficiency of effort or measures plus the relation to the public perception of fear and risk.
I think we can keep recursing like this until someone returns 1
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Fast forward ten years...
Gman003: "wow. They really did have a revolution in MRI technology, and they're using it to catch terrorists."
MRI: Beep! Revolution! Terrorists!
TSA: Sir, could you step out of the line, please?
Tesla thought of this first, but not to generate text but images.
Trust me, it's not going to be for thinking about revolution that they bust me for.
Maybe this is the future of scanning? Stop people if they have any ideas of blowing the plane up in their head. Wonder what kinda privacy issues this will lead to, magneto's helmet anyone ?
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Validating telepathy and remote viewing? This research does suggest, after all, that a persons thoughts can be externally ascertained directly from the brain, albeit via a powerful MRI, not wishful thinking.. no pun intended.
Scary in a way...
But scary in a whole bigger array when they get this perfected and can scan your brain from distance. If they got this perfected I'm sure law enforcement would love this... would they need a warrant? I'm not going to start a political war by naming individuals- but I can think of certain presidents who would allow this to go ahead without a warrant.
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I don't know about you but I can think about the word "giraffe" without visualizing a giraffe. i suspect similar would apply here (to play devil's advocate...)
I know they use MRI already for helping with diagnosing patients in a vegetative state. However, I can see how this would be useful in really fleshing out exactly how unconscious the person is. (Oh, they're dreaming. Not vegetative.)
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/I am not a doctor. If that is the most uninformed statement ever, sorry. :)
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Ummmm... you *are* aware that neither the book nor the movie Minority Report had anything to do with brain scanning? It was entirely about precogs' ability to generate reports of what was going to happen in the near future.
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This is ridiculous and won't work, here are some scenarios:
- I am pretty sure I can suppress any thought while being scanned. Think deeply about sex and I am pretty sure no neural scanner will find something about my next task.
- What if my thought are; hmm, this is a quite extensive system to figure out if I am potentially about to blow up a plane.
- Sorry sir, you are up for extensive search because you looked at and thought the wrong things about my TSA chick co-worker.
I am pretty sure the mental picture they potentially could take is always a snapshot, and even with my ADD I can think about something different for 5 seconds or so.
If this is the way to go for TSA, they would have instated the polygraph... Just sit down and answer three easy questions then you are good to go.
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"about physical objects such as a carrot, a horse or a house."
What about a battery or staple, correct?
I don't know about you but I can think about the word "giraffe" without visualizing a giraffe. i suspect similar would apply here (to play devil's advocate...)
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If you aren't suspicious of your government's actions, you aren't doing your job as a responsible citizen.
This is like searching for "porn" on a desktop and checking the disk drive to see what hits.
How about tapping into the data stream output of the visual cortex that produces whole images and scraping that?
Separately how is the brain indexed?
Some kind of symbolic organization with multiple cache layers complex hashing?
The current methods to identify suspicious people are ridiculous and don't work, either, which doesn't mean they're not employed.
For unknown reasons, the first thing that came to my mind was an elephant. A pink one.
The interesting thing about this cutting-edge technology is that in many cases it is being tested on people who are not even aware that they are subjects of experimentation. And when they become aware, the subject will often complain and their statements can be matched to mental illness definitions so that psychiatric laws can be used to deprive them of their civil rights, helping to bring them even further under control. If you give a damn, check out http://www.google.com/search?q=%22targeted+individual%22+%22synthetic+telepathy%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
This is not a huge advance - just a fun experiement with little practical value. OK, if your thoughts are limited to the words "horse", "carrot" or "house" without any additional context, this machine might just be able to print out "your thoughts". But a few of us have rather more sophisticated mental processes than that, and I don't think the machine would keep up.
Important points:
1. Nobody writing about this story has mentioned the crucial fact that this is specific to an individual- you have to go through a series of calibration exercises before the technique works. Thus, a general "scanning" device doesn't appear to be even a distant possibility.
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