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Lord Byron II writes "My grandma is in her 80s, is bed-ridden, in a nursing home, and is basically reaching the end of her life. Her legs are weak, meaning that she is confined to her bed, and her hearing is pretty much gone. Her sight is good and her mental facilities are still there, but even so, she spends most of her days just watching daytime TV, like the Price is Right and talk shows. The family has tasked me with finding her an easy-to-use, not overly expensive device that would mentally challenge her. Ideally, I would like to get something iPad like so that she could play card games and such. But the Internet connectivity and advanced features are completely unnecessary. Is there a simple device that will let her easily play some games?"

155 comments

  1. that's easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    kindle fire. iPhone touch.

    1. Re:that's easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..."iPhone touch"? I'll assume a typo and you meant to write "iPod touch". I think the display is probably too small for his grandma.

    2. Re:that's easy by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've had good luck with customers and the Velocity Cruz and Archos tablets. Sure they're not speed demons, but we are talking grandma and he is worried about price. they start at $99 for the 7 inch Cruz but if its for grandma I'd probably look at the 10 inch Archos for $169.

      As someone whose grandma passed away this yer I wish you all the luck in the world. We were lucky that mine was a spirited little thing that managed to stay on her feet right up until that last week of her life when she passed right after her 96th birthday.

      I learned one thing though...I don't EVER want to live to be THAT old! all your friends are gone, more of the people that you knew are below ground than above, she had even lost one child and one grandchild by the end. Personally I'd rather bite the farm before everybody i know does, thanks.

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    3. Re:that's easy by Lanteran · · Score: 1

      If not, I'd be interested in seeing this non-touch iphone.

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    4. Re:that's easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I'd rather bite the farm

      fuckwit

  2. Touchscreen? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are you sure a touchscreen is what you really want? Have you ever used a touchscreen to play games? Constantly having your arm at attention and moving your hands around blocks screen real estate is a really big minus most people don't consider. Get her a Nintendo hand held.

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    1. Re:Touchscreen? by ZackSchil · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hahahaha

      This is the worst suggestion since Hitler's painting instructor told him to go into politics.

    2. Re:Touchscreen? by newsdee · · Score: 1

      Seconded. The NDS XL would be easier to grab, see, and use (it comes with a bigger stylus).
      And it's cheaper than an iPad...

    3. Re:Touchscreen? by BisexualPuppy · · Score: 0

      He was obviously better at politics than at painting, though.

    4. Re:Touchscreen? by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

      Somehow I doubt an 80-year-old woman has the manual dexterity to operate the buttons on a handheld Nintendo unit.

    5. Re:Touchscreen? by taiwanjohn · · Score: 1

      +1 for creative skirting of Godwin's law.

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    6. Re:Touchscreen? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2

      When people get older they don't just have issues with motor control (stiff fingers, shaky hands, etc.), they also have problems with the feeling in their digits. So not only is it harder to hold and manipulate things because your fingers don't want to move in as controllable a manner as when you are younger, it is harder to feel them. Now at what age that happens is variable, for example I watched Henry Townsend playing guitar and piano, and he was in his mid 90s, and he played almost to the day of his death. But not everyone is so lucky and unfortunately the OP says his grandma is losing much of her physical faculties (my sympathies after witnessing my mother finally losing to age recently). So anything requiring holding a stylus or pushing the smaller buttons on these devices is a bad choice. Even using a mouse is likely problematic, so a stylus which requires even more motor skills is probably just wrong.

      A bigger screen and being able to push things around with your finger is better. Even if they can't feel the tips of their fingers so well, if their vision is still good, older people can still see if they are able to move things around the screen. And it might be enough mental and motor skill exercise to help her keep more motor skill and mental skill ability and possibly improve a bit. Use it or lose it. My mom ended up with macular degeneration of a type that isn't so treatable with the new injections that are available. It's doubly tough when not only your motor skills start to go, but you can't see much either. So being able to see is a bonus for his grandma.

      Good luck with the project. But why not an iPad or other tablet? What is the issue with internet? Just don't allow the WiFi connection if you don't want it.

      One other suggestion: maybe find some sort of mount if she is in a bed that can be pushed around in front of her like a monitor desk arm so she won't drop it, and can move it out of the way if she wants.

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    7. Re:Touchscreen? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      80 years old - dry skin? Are you sure that a capacitive touch screen will work as well for her as it does for you? Might want to try one out before committing.

    8. Re:Touchscreen? by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      I'd second that. A big tablet (10") is only part of the answer. As important, as usual, are the ergonomics peripherals: a "bed" table, and a holder so that so doesn't have to hold the device, and it's at a comfortable angle for viewning and touching.
      I'd go with a iPhone, probably Gen1, just to be sure to have lots support and software. Preloaded with music and films and pictures of her family, too.

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    9. Re:Touchscreen? by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      a "bed" table

      Ever use one of those?

      She's probably better off with a really big light-weight pillow to rest it on (assuming no ventilation or heat build-up issues).

    10. Re:Touchscreen? by MisterSquid · · Score: 2

      Have you ever used a touchscreen to play games? Constantly having your arm at attention and moving your hands around blocks screen real estate is a really big minus most people don't consider.

      Have you ever used a touch-enabled device to play CARD GAMES? Touch-based devices offer more intuitive and easier-to-hit targets than the abstracted controls of something like a Nintendo hand held. Incidentally (not really), there is much anecdotal evidence that elderly people do very well with iPads. In some cases, iPads can also be used as an assistive device.

      Regarding cost, iPads are right around $500. That's really not much for a device that may dramatically improve an elderly woman's quality of life. An iPad potentially be a more useful device than a Nintendo hand held, which I'm guessing would be disregarded after a few uses.

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    11. Re:Touchscreen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering he got pretty far in politics, successfully creating a new party and becoming the most powerful man in Europe, I'd say that's a pretty good suggestion. He wasn't a terrible artist but was no Michelangelo either, with some effort he could manage to be an average, unknown artist, tops.

    12. Re:Touchscreen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Godwin's Law:

      "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

      Where was the skirting? He basically ran straight at it.

    13. Re:Touchscreen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering he got pretty far in politics, successfully creating a new party and becoming the most powerful man in Europe, I'd say that's a pretty good suggestion. He wasn't a terrible artist but was no Michelangelo either, with some effort he could manage to be an average, unknown artist, tops.

      Any reason for not using past tense?

    14. Re:Touchscreen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd second that. A big tablet (10") is only part of the answer. As important, as usual, are the ergonomics peripherals: a "bed" table, and a holder so that so doesn't have to hold the device, and it's at a comfortable angle for viewning and touching. I'd go with a iPhone, probably Gen1, just to be sure to have lots support and software. Preloaded with music and films and pictures of her family, too.

      An iPhone? Do you even know any old people!? Good luck getting them read anything on that tiny 3.5" screen. They usually "laugh aand pretend" they can see a ENTIRE photo clearly when you show them one on your phone. I can't imagine them trying to read "text" on that "little bitty" iPhone screen.

      This is where Apple really dropped the soap in the shower.

      Sure that tiny tiny 3.5" screen is great for a 14 year old girl and probably easy to hold and reach all areas of the screen while holding it in one hand.

      But for the rest of the world it's OLD and small. For a 6' 2" person the screen is tiny. For older people it's tiny. Who wants to watch movies on a 3.5" screen? Half a decade a ago in 2006, sure. But 5 years later???

    15. Re:Touchscreen? by ormondotvos · · Score: 1

      Likely the staff will steal it and buy crack. I used to deliver expensive rental medical devices to nursing homes. Not a real lower limit on who they'll hire. If you buy one, get the anti-theft app, altho I think it will do no good. iGadget theft is rampant now, and craigslist enables the market.

  3. iPad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get her a used iPad 1, it should be cheap.

  4. Internet connectivity? by safetyinnumbers · · Score: 1

    I don't think that you'll find many tablet devices without wifi, so I don't know why you're discounting the iPad because of that,.

    You should probably consider size as one of the main factors, along with ease of use. A big screen is pretty important when you get far-sighted with age.

  5. Why no internet by MrMickS · · Score: 2

    Why wouldn't you want your Grandma to be able to access the internet? If she's still got it mentally then easy access to the internet might be good. My mother, in her 70's uses her iPad to access the Internet everyday.

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    1. Re:Why no internet by rajohn · · Score: 1

      Dude! Give Granny the NET for Chris Sake!!!

    2. Re:Why no internet by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      Why wouldn't you want your Grandma to be able to access the internet?

      The internet is a stepping stone to harder drugs... such Netflix and Facebook.

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    3. Re:Why no internet by rtfa-troll · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This.

      With an iPad or even an Android tablet you can install newspaper applications, for example. She probably read those when she could and giving her simple, immediately she turns it on or hits the home button access to the next days paper can be really one of the best forms of mental stimulation.

      Find four apps that she likes from her past (a family blog with recent photos would be ideal). Put them on the front page so she immediately gets to something she likes. Set her up simple email, make sure she doesn't have a high limit (low limit is fine) credit card or bank account number handy and let her loose. We've had very little problem with a 90 year old and a laptop (though she started around 80). I don't see how an iPad could possibly be more of a problem

      Just one comment. Beware that touch devices may need extra fine motor skills. You may find that a laptop with a large keyboard is actually more suitable than an iPad, depending on how much control she has over her fingers. Also keyboard skills may be a good investment for when eyesight begins to go.

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    4. Re:Why no internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seconded. I gave my 80 year old grandma an iPad (even though I deeply despise Apple, but here it's the right thing), and Internet is THE key feature.
      Because women's preferred free time activity always has to do with socializing and communicating, and old people often get lonely because their partners and friends die off and somehow we younger people are dicks and write them off too.

      Now she can Skype and mail with all of us, she can read, play games with the friends left, and all in all she just seems happier. And I am happier because I don't constantly think how my grandma grows lonely, which just brings me to tears, as I know how bad loneliness can be. (I can't go there that often as it's prohibitively expensive to me.)

      Also don't even dare to act like your grandparents are too old to get stuff. Yeah, they might really be. But do you know how much it hurts to not be seen as a full individual anymore? And you'd be surprised how smart they still are. After her doctor had literally told her that it was "not worth it anymore" to fix the tendon in her arm, you could really see how she smiled all over her face when she got that iPad as a symbol of still being a full member of society and a pretty cool person. :)

    5. Re:Why no internet by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      What does Chris have to do with anything?

    6. Re:Why no internet by dballanc · · Score: 1

      It may not be possible. At the home where my grandmother is (just had her 105th b-day) there is no wifi access for residents. A few years/decades ago I would have loved to have had access to an ipad for her, but unfortunately it would be beyond her at this point. On the other hand I know a lady in her nineties who spends many hours a day playing online bridge/poker and would probably wilt away without the net.

    7. Re:Why no internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My grandmother just got an HP touchpad (thanks for filling my order, HP!). She never knew how to use a computer, didn't see any value in them, and now watches animal videos on YouTube all day long. Rather than being passive with the TV, she's now become an expert on the minutiae of people's pets and always has something new to talk about and share. She's asking about email now when it never was an issue before. Biggest feature? She can't "break" the tablet (screw up the OS, get a virus) by pressing the wrong button, so she feels free to explore. A YouTube icon, the optional inductively coupled charging dock, and the optional padded jacket make both a sophisticated and forgiving package that makes her autonomous and proud to have it.

    8. Re:Why no internet by Lanteran · · Score: 1

      Because this.

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    9. Re:Why no internet by Draveed · · Score: 1

      This is exactly what I was thinking about doing for my mom! I can't stand Apple, but I'm considering putting my hatred aside and getting her an iPad just because it's probably going to be the simplest tablet for her to use. I often worry about how she passes the day with daytime TV and some local newspapers. It would be nice to get her in touch with old friends. Get her a few simple game apps, or some more news sources for her to read. Maybe get her addicted to Farmville like my aunt...

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    10. Re:Why no internet by CSMoran · · Score: 1

      Everything.

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  6. Get an iPad by Cosmic+Debris · · Score: 5, Informative
    My father (now 83) got the original iPad literally the day it came out. Yes, it was expensive but he's really loved it. He plays online games with my sister, nieces and nephews. We set him up to stay logged on to facebook to get the latest grandbaby pictures from my nephew's wife. My brother taught him to buy ebooks, too. He loves to read and is an inveterate insomniac so this alone was worth it. Now if he can't sleep and nobody is awake to play Scrabble, he can download a new book that catches his interest.

    He has a computer (old G5 Mac tower) but rarely uses it now since the iPad can be used virtually anywhere in his home.

    It's also reduced the number of "how to" and troubleshooting calls we get from him. For an 83-YO former pastor he does pretty good technically and recently figured out how to properly install the OS/X drivers on his G5 for a scanner/printer on his own.

    Short answer: by all means get an iPad. It has the richest set of games and social media connections. My $.02.

    1. Re:Get an iPad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this++

    2. Re:Get an iPad by lynnae · · Score: 1

      My mother did the same and still loves her iPad.

      However there are considerations that need to be made, especially the ergonomics issues that have been posted.
      And also, a iPad requires either an internet connection, or a computer to connect it to (with an internet connection). I'm not sure if a computer running iTunes is required to do a first time boot with the new iPad/iOS anymore, but you do need one in order to update it. The OP said an internet connection was unnecessary, but it would still need to exist to use an iPad, and possibly a computer as well.

      I don't know if iTunes requires a debit/credit card either, that could be an issue with someone who's quite elderly.

      OP, is there any way you can borrow an iPad and see if it's feasible to your grandmother?

    3. Re:Get an iPad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      iOS 5 can update without a PC being connected to it.

    4. Re:Get an iPad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computer & iTunes are no longer required for anything at all with an iPad.

      You can get it set up at the store when you buy it, and updates are now over the air as well.

      Grandma needs an iPad, and nothing else.

    5. Re:Get an iPad by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, as much as I'd like to recommend an Android device, just go with a 1st Gen iPad. Any kind of touchscreen is going to be challenging for her to use, and I don't think she'd really use it much anyway. But at least this way you won't have to put up with all your family blaming you for getting something that was "too complicated for grandma".

      Load it up with family photo albums and videos, and maybe some audio books / audio messages from the family that she might like to keep her company.

      As for internet, I think she would really appreciate outside contact with some of the multi-player games, though, like WordFeud or some of the other things that might give her some human contact when you guys aren't visiting. Should be able to set up some of those turn-based games so she can play with family members.

      Even if she ends up not using the device, this should at least win you some brownie points with your family for ingenuity :-P

    6. Re:Get an iPad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The subtext is that he's a cheapskate, his grandmother is going to die soon, and he doesn't want to buy her an iPad he's not sure he'll inherit back.

    7. Re:Get an iPad by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      Although to be fair, you can do all of those things with the latest Android tablets too. And I fear answering the question "which tablet should I get for my elderly relative" with "any of the best selling tablets" might be less helpful.

      I wonder idly at the OPs "not too expensive" comment. An iPad is far from cheap (and all the other high-end tablets are no better). I mean you can get a Dell Streak or BlackBerry Playbook for not very much, but I doubt anyone would recommend it.

      One slightly different suggestion might be to go with a Kindle or a Nook. Both are dirt cheap compared to other tablets, both are very easy to use, and (aside from the obvious reading content), both the Kindle and the Nook Colour have games and other apps. A Kindle is only $139, and the Nook Colour is only $249 (I don't think the basic Nook has "app" content).
      http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=kindle%20games&tag=kindlegames-20&index=digital-text&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325
      http://www.barnesandnoble.com/u/nookcolor-apps/379002750

    8. Re:Get an iPad by Kagetsuki · · Score: 2

      As much as I dislike Apple products myself you have outlined a situation I wholly believe no device could better fill than the iPad and given detailed evidence as to why. Somebody mod Cosmic Debris up!

    9. Re:Get an iPad by houghi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I gave my parents a phone designed for the elderly because they could not use their normal cell phone. They are unable to use the new one as well.

      Getting money out of a machine is a struggle for them.

      They are not stupid. They are just afraid of technology, I think.

      So when they want to call me they use the landline. When they want to get money, they go to the bank and when they want to know something, they go to the pub and ask somebody else to look it up for them. As they live in Spain and speak Spanish there is no issue.

      I think it is more important to have the social interaction with people around them then it is to sit in front of a screen and see me who lives in another country.

      Or as others might say: don't look for a technical solution for a social problem.

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    10. Re:Get an iPad by Whatchamacallit · · Score: 2

      Just get her a refurbished original iPad. But don't be surprised if the nursing home has WiFi, most do lately. If no WiFi load up the Photo app with a ton of family photos. Scan in some old photo albums too.

      Just Google iPad + Elderly:
      http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/thinking-tech/ipad-opens-digital-doors-for-the-elderly/3674
      http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2016410946_srpad07.html
      http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_34/b4192039623670.htm
      http://www.unplggd.com/unplggd/look/a-simple-ipad-guide-for-the-elderly-125315

    11. Re:Get an iPad by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1

      The subtext is that he's a cheapskate, his grandmother is going to die soon, and he doesn't want to buy her an iPad he's not sure he'll inherit back.

      Even if this is true he doesn't have to bloody give it. It can be a long term loan. Then there's no question of inheritance.

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    12. Re:Get an iPad by Sloppy · · Score: 2

      Don't listen to this emacs pimp. Teach your grandmother to use vim!

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    13. Re:Get an iPad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *fixd My $600.

    14. Re:Get an iPad by WalrusSlayer · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Or the shorter version: Get an iPad. Duh.

      And as others have pointed out, skipping out on Internet is silly---she will get a huge benefit by being connected. eBooks, video calls, multi-player games, news, etc. If the nursing home has Wifi, then there ya go. If not, get the 3G model and have the family chip in the measly $15/mo to keep it on a basic data plan.

    15. Re:Get an iPad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a basic kindle is now $79 and a fire is only $199.

    16. Re:Get an iPad by fermion · · Score: 1

      I would also say just get an iPad. I know two people in your general situation and the iPad works well. The Internet connectionn is still useful because they can still read and the Internet allows to read international papers.

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    17. Re:Get an iPad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you expect a bed-ridden old lady to get social interaction when her family aren't visiting? Unfortunately this problem does require a technical solution.

    18. Re:Get an iPad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Audio of any variety isn't really going to help his nearly deaf grandmother.

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  7. Ever heard of an ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iPad?

  8. Go visit her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, give your gadget idea a try, and maybe she will get a kick out of it, maybe not. But regardless, go visit her. If you have kids, bring them along. Talk about the stuff you [and your kids] are into. Take her on outings as she's able and the weather is suitable (will need to take along the wheelchair and/or walker). If you don't live close by, call her on the phone regularly. If it seems like you have almost nothing in common, at least eat a meal with her. Everybody likes to eat.

    Don't let your parent or grandparent rot in a nursing home, abandoned by their own family. This may not apply to the OP, but I bet it applies to some of the people reading this.

    1. Re:Go visit her by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      Don't let your parent or grandparent rot in a nursing home, abandoned by their own family. This may not apply to the OP, but I bet it applies to some of the people reading this.

      This. I bet all the gadgets in the world don't mean nearly as much as a visit from loved ones...

  9. Nintendo DSi XL - It was made for her. by Qbertino · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Nintendo DSi XL is comparetively cheap, has awsome games that the elderly love (such as the Professor Layton series) and it was built with old-timers in mind. Big screen, modest colors, large pen-like extra stylus and absolut idiot-proof usage. Get her one plus one or two Layton titles and some other slow or non-action puzzle game. ... Most likely she'll ask for more sooner than you'll expect.

    And who knows, maybe she'll also be kicking your sorry ass at MarioCart in 2 months aswell. :-)

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    1. Re:Nintendo DSi XL - It was made for her. by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

      Other good titles would be Hotel Dusk, Peggle Dual Shot, Word Jong, Scrabble, Puzzle Quest, Quest Trio (matching game, Mahjongg, Solitaire), Big Brain Academy/Brain Age, maybe even Dragon Quest (doesn't matter which one, as long as it's the mainline series), or Harvest Moon or Animal Crossing. Too bad Picross DS is out of print... Picross 3D is alright and might still be available, but the 2D one was really great...

  10. Probably not the right solution by echusarcana · · Score: 1

    I don't think any touchscreen device is going to suit your needs. The first poster is quite right. All tablets are designed as internet devices and they don't have much functionality offline. I'd suggest a cheap laptop running Ubuntu. I've set very elderly senior citizens up with this before and they immediately understood it - far better than the alternatives. The selection of casual games is probably the best mix for what you need as well.

  11. Internet - Skype by RichMan · · Score: 1

    Don't underestimate the power of Skype in connecting to family around the world. Ipad does video. Really nice for the grandkids to chat and wave to grandma. Or make contact with long unseen relatives.

    My mom has problems with the touch sensitivity. Her hand shakes and often when holding the edges fingers will slip to the touch part causing unwanted actions. Added Iballz and a case and still somewhat problematic.

  12. Why are you so damn cheap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She's dying! She spent your entire life making you cookies and buying you clothes and trying to cheap out with some BS device without even the internet?? Splurge cheapass! You're going to regret being so cheap if she passes away lamenting the lack of access to google.

  13. Wrong approach by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but even so, she spends most of her days just watching daytime TV, like the Price is Right and talk shows. The family has tasked me with finding her an easy-to-use, not overly expensive device that would mentally challenge her

    Try watching something WITH her instead. Or, since her eyesight is still good, playing cards or something else that is not physically demanding, and allows for both mental stimulation and social interaction. There's a reason you see all those old folks playing bridge or bingo or dominoes, and it's not because of the games themselves. (get one of those 12 or 15-pip domino sets and give it a whirl - everyone from 9 to 90 can enjoy it).

    1. Re:Wrong approach by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      But that would require time and effort. It's much easier to throw money at buying shinies. In all honesty though, I'm sure he visits his grandma regularly like a good grandson and is just trying to get her something for when he is at work, etc. You can't visit grandma every second of every day.

      The real question is why he doesn't think she needs the internet? You can play bridge and Kanasta on the internet with other people and have way more fun than playing solitaire.

    2. Re:Wrong approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try watching something WITH her instead.

      Best advice you are going to get is spending time with her physically. Besides she won't be around for long so use your time with her wisely.
      That all said the question was for technical advice. My mom recently died of MS and was bed ridden for many years, she would tear through laptops like you wouldn't believe but it kept her in touch with the world like you wouldn't believe (why I also have to question the no internet clause). You really never could tell which type she'd like best, my dad would buy 2 or three a year sometimes, one for him and her and she'd end up liking his better for some odd explainable reason and it was never apparent why till you annoyed it out of her. Usually it was a button or something was harder to use or it didn't sit well in her lap in bed.

      So my advice is borrow a friends iPad, borrow a laptop or any other device you can. Watch her use it and see if she likes it and is comfortable. A nice lap tray table and some quality time using it with her and you should be good to go. I'm going to guess however a simple laptop maybe with a touch screen is probably the best idea because it will prop itself up and older people have trouble with precise motor movement. Hell I can't even hold my galaxy tab after a few drinks for too long without shaking.

    3. Re:Wrong approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd agree with that, in general, but maybe not in specific, depending on her situation.

      In general, my thoughts are:

            #1) Visit with her. Often.
            #2) Tell her about what's going on in your life and in your kids' lives. Women tend to live until their grandkids have kids, so there is a strong genetic interest in family there. Pass her advice back to the kids ("Granmy says...")

      If she has good muscular control...
            #3) Start with common games, but work up to more demanding games: strategy board games. Some good ones include
                                        Settlers of Catan
                                        San Juan
                                        Robo Rally
                                        Chess
            #4) Get a crossword book, a Soduko book, and a few other puzzle books, and send her a letter every week with one of each. Photocopy them, so the page size will be correct, but mark them off as "already sent".

      If she has poor muscular control ...
            #5) Set up a computer with dasher and a ball, and let it tie to the phone system, so that she can use the computer to make calls. Ideally, it would be great to mimic smart phones. Then she can also tie into forums and email with the family.

            #6) Get her tied into some of these websites for genaeological research. She might enjoy entering all the data that she knows.

    4. Re:Wrong approach by cstdenis · · Score: 1

      Visiting her is nice, but people have lives, have to go to work, etc, and can't spend all their time with those they want to.

      His initial request is still perfectly valid to give her something to do between his visits.

      --
      1984 was not supposed to be an instruction manual.
    5. Re:Wrong approach by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      His initial request is still perfectly valid to give her something to do between his visits.

      No it's not. A computing device with no net connection. That's as isolating as a cell phone with no cell phone account. Once you get past playing bejeweled, there's not much ...

      Come on, at least email ...

  14. Suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The family has tasked me with finding her an easy-to-use, not overly expensive device that would mentally challenge her. Ideally, I would like to get something iPad like so that she could play card games and such.

    Easy to use, inexpensive, mentally challenging example activity being playing card games.

    Hmmm... I'm thinking a deck of playing cards. Big cards if her eyesite is poor. Also maybe a big book of card games for extra challenges. Do I win?

  15. Touchscreen for the elderly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a good question indeed. I'm a developer working with the Nursing Home Ministry (www.nhmhope.org) and this is one of the main pain points that I brought to their attention when we first started. So, I'd be interested in hearing about what you find. If we can't find something, then we may build something ourselves.

  16. ipad 1 wifi ebay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what the ipad was made for.

  17. Viewsonic G Tablet by transami · · Score: 1

    http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/viewsonic-g-tablet/4505-3126_7-34431221.html?tag=subnav

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    :T:R:A:N:S:
  18. wrong about connectivity? by sribe · · Score: 2

    Internet connectivity would give her access to far more mental stimulation than a few games, plus potential social interaction as well.

    1. Re:wrong about connectivity? by clockt · · Score: 1

      Internet connectivity would give her access to far more mental stimulation than a few games, plus potential social interaction as well.

      Absolutely. We're just going to bury one of ours this week, pegged out at 91. She wasn't great technically but email was her great passion for the last couple of years, and when her computer broke (Old PC running XP and outlook express, so it was regularly falling over) she got pretty grumpy and we'd run around and fix it. - and no, I am not suggesting you give your aged dear ones computers that are shit so they get to see you more often; neither you nor they will be seeing the bright side of that sort of social interaction. Give them good tools that get out of their way and maybe they'll leave you it in the will :)

      Mum's in her eighties and we bought her an iPad last year. She loves it. Sure, she sometimes swipes or pokes the wrong thing, but there's a button on it (home button) that solves all those problems. Just start over, no big deal. But she's in charge, and that's independence and self determination and dignity right there.

      iPad and Google Street View are also a great match for immigrant families with time on their hands and stories to tell.

    2. Re:wrong about connectivity? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I have speech and hearing impediments, and other disabilities so social interactions and moving around are difficult for me. Internet and BBS' made me more social with communications.

      --
      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  19. As a terminal Cancer patient, I don't think... by monomania · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...I don't think you should undersell Internet connectivity. Although fortunately I am not confined to bed 24/7, I spend more than half the day there, and Netflix streaming (which would be a wonderful gift you could frurnish her) is a savior; given the paucity of her programming now it would undoubtedly improve her day, and she would have some control over her entertainment choices. That and a twitter client (and set up the family on Twitter -- those that aren't already) and the family can stay engaged with her; an iPad or Android device with WiFi and a camera a can give her even more interactivity over Facetime or Skype.

    You have an opportunity here to improve her daily life to an incredible degree, and obviously want to. Were it myself I'd even obtain here a Mi-Fi device and account if there was little or no Wi-Fi were she is living. Were it my own Grandmother I would not by skimping here.

    1. Re:As a terminal Cancer patient, I don't think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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      'Insulin Potentiation Therapy' seems to be a very promising therapy for even terminal cancers. I researched it for a friend's father with liver cancer. His doctors did not take it forward, but I saw enough evidence and first hand reports to convince me it wasn't quackery, and that it could help people with even terminal cancer.

      I'll send you the information I found if you like. My email is in my account details.

  20. Wii by Yakasha · · Score: 3, Interesting
    As has been mentioned before, be careful about ergonomics. Holding an iPad (or similar device) while confined to a bed can produce neck pain (if you hold it in your lap and look down) or arm fatigue (if you try to hold it up to avoid the neck pain).

    My recommendation would be a wii, which I believe has already been successfully used in a few nursing homes. I think it would be even more successful for individual cases like this.

    • Cheap - under $200 for a full setup
    • Light, easy to use controllers
    • Her vision is up to snuff, so menus are not a problem
    • non-HD hookups, meaning better chance of connecting to older hospital/nursing home/fixed income tvs
    • exercise apps to improve health
    • chat apps to talk to the grand kids
    • Something for the kids to do while you visit grandma
    • netflix, for even more tv options!
    1. Re:Wii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever seen an elderly person try to control a Wii? My 50 year old parents find it tricky enough, let alone my grandparents. I think tablets are nothing more than big expensive toys, by and large, but this the perfect application for one.

    2. Re:Wii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As much as I love it, I'm going to disagree with a Wii. Sure for more mobile folks fine but if she's bedridden then that is going to not be too optimal, esp depending on the size of screen, turning it off and on, inserting games, etc, too confusing for older people and you only get one game at a time. A simple iPad (even gen 1) loaded with games and possibly netflix will go a long way, esp with some simple instruction.

  21. The internet requirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simply don't setup the internet... Simply setup internet to install whatever programs you think she like. Afterwards, either clear the settings if it done at the nursing home (assuming they even have wifi) or not set it up there. Most touch screens are still will be a somewhat advance devices (compared to simple ones) and in which case would include wifi since it's such a cheap addon. But just cause it has it, doesn't mean you have to use it... As for an actual device, there are plenty of tablets on the market. Pick one ranging from ipad to something even like the kindle fire. At a one time purchase, even $500 isn't that expensive, though $200 should definitely be affordable.

    Remember, touch screens are still expensive compared to normal screens, and at a sufficiently large size to use touch, the cost of wifi is but a few % of it at best (meaning it doesn't affect the final price much) much less the cpu required to process the touch.

  22. If she needs a challenge by countertrolling · · Score: 1

    You should at least have her watch Jeopardy instead of the Price is Right... And yes, the talk shows will make you dumber. She definitely would be better off with Y&R, and General Hospital...

    --
    For justice, we must go to Don Corleone
  23. Can she read? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The family has tasked me with finding her an easy-to-use, not overly expensive device that would mentally challenge her.

    How about a good book? They can be a darn sight more challenging than Angry Birds.

  24. Why No Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why no internet? If you don't give her internet, or some way to get outside her room, you might as well just leave her watching TV. You think the 800th time she plays the limited number of games she's got is going to be "intellectually stimulating"?

    Teach her how to use the web. How to send email or text messages. Let her interact with the world.

  25. Sony Android Tablet by stephanruby · · Score: 1

    The Sony Android Honeycomb tablet. Laid down on a table, its screen is still slightly inclined. It doubles nicely as a remote control (which it is what Sony optimized it for). It's 9" inch screen makes it slightly smaller than the iPad or the Samsung 10.1 Tab, but it weighs less than the iPad and weighs about the same as the Samsung tab (but still feels nicer in your hands than the Tab).

    Like most slightly more expensive tablets, it has good haptic feedback. Do not skimp on that, especially for the hard of hearing. And if you do get an Android tablet, do get an Honeycomb one, it's way easier to use than any Android 2.x tablets, and just looks better. Just be sure to read the amazon customer reviews of any tablet you get her. She may not need wifi at her nursing home, but with wifi it will be a lot easier for you or your other relatives to load up new games that she'll like. And expect that you will be doing that frequently, until you figure out their tastes.
     

  26. simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, there is a simple device: iPad.

    Silly question!

  27. Does she like to read? by curunir · · Score: 1

    Games aren't the only thing that will mentally challenge someone...hell, most iPad games don't.

    If you want an inexpensive tablet-format device that will mentally challenge her, get a Kindle or a Nook. They're great for elderly people because they allow the font to be increased for easy viewing. And with the tight integration with Amazon/B&N, she wouldn't have to get out of bed to order new books. The Kindle even has some pretty fun games, though the eInk screen makes the interface crap (Nook might have them to...I don't own one, so I can't say.)

    Best of all, it fits in the "cheap" category coming in at roughly 1/5 the price of the cheapest iPad. And it they need charging so infrequently, you could do it whenever you visit so that she doesn't have to worry about doing it herself.

    --
    "Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!"
  28. Elderly... by zAPPzAPP · · Score: 0

    I hope I never become one of the elderly.
    I want to be old, aged, a mummy whatever. That is ok.
    But those elderly are the worst. Always using those clunky low spec gadgets no one else would touch. Not cool.

  29. Get her a wifi ipad, a good case and a stylus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a case that will prop the unit at several angles for comfort.
    I like Roo cases at about $26 they slao offer some padding for drop protection.
    http://www.amazon.com/rooCASE-Convertible-Premium-Adjustable-Function/dp/B004S4AEFK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1320510995&sr=8-1

    There are lots of free games, books and the internet if she has wifi access. That beats daytime tv for entertainment AND will allow her to pursue interests and keep her mind sharp.

    At the school district where I work in IT we just did a 2200 ipad deployment to students and staff. There are some support requirements but both kids and adults figure out their own workflow to use the iPads pretty quickly and the questions rapidly taper off.

  30. Adaptive devices for the elderly by Joiseybill · · Score: 2

    This general question has been a part-time quest of my own. I cared for a loved blind grandmother for several years, and realize my own fragility. There are a lot of agencies out there, and support groups / not-for-profit orgs working on different areas. Many of these are slowly starving because of the economy ( less subsidy, less generous donors) - but still around and happy to help.

    In the big picture, just keep in mind that I found help and helpful advise just by reading/trolling on Multiple Sclerosis, Alzheimers, and other orgs - in addition to the " Senior Services" and various blind orgs. ( props to LightHouse!)

    In the short term, if you can afford an iPad, why are you concerned about 'extra' stuff? Believe me, I've been on the neutral-evil side when it comes to Apple fanaticism, but the iPad is in my home. For the set of purposes you laid out, this is probably one of the lightest, easiest to use devices.
    Borrow (or buy) one, and some bluetooth devices ( mouse, keyboard, trackball, drawing pad) that can work with it.
          -- my purchase came from (USA) Target, with a 45-day no questions refund policy.
            (plus a 10% discount for accepting their credit card)

      I just mean, if you want something "like the iPad", then get the iPad. Android devices have many similar abilities, (and WebOS devices, too) but few have the quality screen, battery life, and natural resistance to tampering that is genetic to the Apple family.
    By all means - get what you can afford, and what is useful - not a dust collector.

    And yes.. as other folks have suggested, there is nothing .. **NOTHING** that is more fulfilling, mentally stimulating, and emotionally positive than loved company. The basic stuff like reading a book together, reminiscing, or even learning to use two iPads (or Androids, or tablet PCs) to play scrabble, yahtzee, bingo, or whatever.. as long as you do it together, is a lot more fun and fulfilling.
    Plus it will help Grandma learn if she knows you are coming back to play or video chat to see that new baby in the family.

    Caveat: get the service contract, and take photos of the serial numbers. Use tracking software. Even in a "good" place, lots of stuff gets misplaced/lost/stolen in retirement/rehab homes. If Grandma does actually like the device, then losing it to a crash or light-fingered help will be depressing.

  31. Alex! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a small UK based company http://www.welcometoalex.com/ who sells a laptop which is aimed specifically at new users, such as your Grandma, it was covered by the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8522952.stm and here on Slashdot http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/02/19/1452240/new-linux-based-laptop-for-computer-newbies when it was launched

    I have played with some of the competitors e.g. Eldy / Simplicity but I found that software very basic and frankly patronising. It was easy to find your way through the first time but there were far too many steps to complete every task once you know what you wanted to do, Alex was by contrast both easy to use and functional.

  32. Re:Logistics... by taiwanjohn · · Score: 1

    > #1) Visit with her. Often.

    Yes, assuming it's physically possible -- the OP could be hundreds or even thousands of miles away. Nothing beats in-person interaction. But if her eyesight is still good, then electronic means can be a great substitute. As long as she can see you, that will be enough, even if she can't hear very well.

    My grandma lived to 102, and although her hearing started to go in her 80's, she could still read and do crosswords into her late 90's. (She was a huge fan of Wheel Of Fortune.;-) Around 99 or so, macular degeneration took her sight, and only then did she start to deteriorate mentally. With no eyes or ears, she was basically in her own little world, but she would quickly snap into the here-and-now when people came to visit. Still, it was difficult to communicate... difficult to do most things... Around that time she decided she was ready to "go" and switched to hospice care, going off all her meds except pain killers. (She lasted for nearly 3 years after that.)

    I wish we'd had iPads back then. I'm sure Grandma would have loved it.

    > #6) Get her tied into some of these websites for genaeological research.

    Excellent idea!

    --
    XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve your problem, you're not using enough of it. --AC
  33. GET AN IPAD. End of discussion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are scores of examples of elderly people responding to iPads in an extremely positive manner. You don't have to have any training to use it, and it does pretty much anything you'd like it to do. You can load it with videos that will be more engaging than daytime TV, basic card games, and if there's wifi present you might be able to teach her to use facetime and "visit" more easily which I'm sure she'll appreciate.

  34. iPad for the eldery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My mom is around 80 years old. she has an iPad and as soon she understood how to use it, she started to play some games, even angry birds! She is happy. Less tv, more fun for her even she can walk and move everywhere. I think an iPad is the best gift a son can give to his mom.

    Manuel López (México)

  35. Does she like to read? by jjh37997 · · Score: 1

    How about a bunch of her favorite books? Her eyesight is fine and its interface is one she is familiar with.

  36. premature optimization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of an ipad's cost, half is apple profit. of the remaining, about 1/3 is the screen, then battery, then cpu. the features you're looking to dump add up to maybe $10 (cameras, accelerometers, wifi) - just about insiginificant. in other words, just get a tablet and be happy. since she's not already an applehead, don't waste that $300 off the top. a kobo, fire, nook, samsung, etc will be fine. though probably 10" would be appreciated.

    1. Re:premature optimization by Albanach · · Score: 1

      The value if the iPad is in the Apps. Quite simply the iPad has more apps and they're of better quality.

  37. Why? by Reservoir+Penguin · · Score: 1

    If you grandmother is really approaching the end of the journey, should not she be concerned with other things other than playing with an iPad? Like praying and saving her immortal soul? Do you think SJ played with an iPad on his deathbed? Get whatever time is needed off work, get the family together, make sure she get's daily visits from a pastor. The most important thing right now is to make peace with God and family.

    --
    US-UK-Israel: The real Axis of Evil
    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not everyone is so religious. If anything, most american only do religion as a pastime. If she was, then I doubt this topic would have come into view in the first place. As for time spending with love ones, it's definitely good to have but there are limits to this. End of journey can mean more then a decade sometimes in weaken condition. Family simply isn't gonna be there all the time as it isn't practical. For those times, things to do that mentally engages her is a good thing. Basically, at this point, the main focus should be increasing her quality of life. Entertainment is one form of that.

    2. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you grandmother is really approaching the end of the journey, should not she be concerned with other things other than playing with an iPad? Like praying and saving her immortal soul? Do you think SJ played with an iPad on his deathbed? Get whatever time is needed off work, get the family together, make sure she get's daily visits from a pastor. The most important thing right now is to make peace with God and family.

      I'll tell you why, crazy bible guy, he really wants an ipad for himself. To make this purchase happen, he's getting it under the guise of helping his old grandma. Now, he knows grandmas on her last legs, so he'll be there to pick up the device when the end comes.
      May god have mercy on his soul........ :)

    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If she care.. I will cremate my father and spread his ashes in the mountains. Hope he will enjoy more nice ladies before that time. It looks promising.

      My old guy worked 15 years or so in a church. Someone needed to help the drunk priest out. Both the priest and my father is religious, but in their own ways. My father relations with God is something between him and God.

    4. Re:Why? by couchslug · · Score: 1

      Don't presume Granny shares YOUR superstition. There are others, as well as "none of the above".

      --
      "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
    5. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you grandmother is really approaching the end of the journey, should not she be concerned with other things other than playing with an iPad? Like praying and saving her immortal soul? Do you think SJ played with an iPad on his deathbed? Get whatever time is needed off work, get the family together, make sure she get's daily visits from a pastor. The most important thing right now is to make peace with God and family.

      Not sure if trolling or just stupid.

      Actually, I'm pretty sure you're trolling, but if you aren't:

      She absolutely should be having some fun while she's got time left to have it. Fuck this notion that the end of life should be dominated by prayer. You are a poster child for how religion corrupts and dehumanizes. You actually believe it would be a positive thing for this woman's final days to be ruled by the terror that she's failed to remember and atone for every "sin", frantically begging for forgiveness lest an obscene sadist of a deity condemn her to eternal torture. Fuck that. That shit is nonsense. Eternal torture for finite sin. How does that fit with the idea of a just, loving god? Let me answer that for you: it doesn't.

      And fuck your assumption that she's got anything to "make peace" over. For all you know, she was a wonderful person with nothing to apologize for, even in the context of a fucked up religion with ridiculous ideas about what constitutes a sin worthy of infinite punishment.

      Also, death doesn't occur on a schedule unless you whip out a gun and pull the trigger. If she's healthy enough to get something out of playing games on a touchscreen device, she's probably not on the edge of death and may live for months or years to come. The family of someone who's moderately but not imminently close to death can't drop everything indefinitely. Nor would she want them to, if she loves them. So fuck yeah it's a good idea to give her something which can not only entertain, but also provide real mental stimulation (access to the Internet, and a giant library of books and videos on a staggering range of topics). No matter how dutiful you are, you can't fill every hour, and something she can use to occupy her mind would be a great gift.

      It is far better to go out still expanding your mind's horizons than chanting meaningless prayers in fear. If you believe in a god, do you really think god would be happier if you choose to spend your final days begging for forgiveness instead of using the greatest gift god gave you, the human mind? If that god is really all powerful and all knowing, it would know if you are genuinely contrite regardless of how much time you spend debasing yourself. (For that matter, in what way does it make any kind of sense that you have to "make peace" with god while you're still alive? Wouldn't there literally be an infinite amount of time to talk things over after you've died, when you can actually ask questions and get answers?)

    6. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No matter how much she prays, she can't save her soul herself, only God can do that. Give your head a shake you pompous twit.

    7. Re:Why? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      That's got to be one of the funniest posts I've ever read. Either you are a very good troll or you are a seriously in need of medication and some state sponsored help.

    8. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the shuddering fuck is this on Slashdot?

      Get back to fundienutters.com where you belong, troll.

    9. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention, from the sounds of it she has quite a bit of time to 'get even with God' -- I mean, how many years before you die do you plan on repenting?! I'm thinking 12 seconds before death should do it.

    10. Re:Why? by Reservoir+Penguin · · Score: 1

      I do not claim I know everything about this woman but I can draw reasonable conclusions from the available data. She is in her 80s and an American. Atheists are endangered species in America as is, and were even more rare 70-80 years ago when this woman received her upbringing.

      --
      US-UK-Israel: The real Axis of Evil
  38. It's Not the Device . . . by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 1

    . . . it's what's on it. Get Skype or Google Hangout or MSN Messenger or whatever gets her family's faces in front of her, and visa versa. She'd much rather see you than Bob Barker.

  39. You're not looking for an alternative. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're looking to be cheap and feel better for it. Just get an iPad. Good heavens man.

  40. Something challenging? by Evtim · · Score: 1

    The device must have Wifi and you make her a /. account. Trying to figure out what the hell is going on here is a challenge for many nerds; it should do for our beloved grannies as well!

    One of the hardest things I ever had to do was explaining to my granny the reasons for the existence and more importantly, the meaning, of the film Alien 2 which she dutifully watched with me during family gathering. Since we are talking about farmer-granny, who worked 12-14 hours a day all her life, was young woman during WW2, had black and white TV until the end and lived 90% of her life under communist regime, it was very challenging for both of us!

  41. E-reader by mmmmbeer · · Score: 1

    Get her any e-reader. Something like a first-gen Nook would be perfect. It would give her lots to read and access to other apps; it's fairly cheap, so it won't be a big deal when it gets stolen (which it will); and the battery life is great.

  42. Oh great, it's 2011 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And instead of anti-aging technology we have touchscreens. Oh brave new world that has such lack of technology in it.

  43. why limit by Tom · · Score: 2

    Why do you decide what's necessary? How about either asking her, or leaving it in and if it isn't used then it isn't used.

    It's not like tablets without Internet would be much cheaper. And when you think tablets already, I think the iPad is what you want. You can pick up a 1st gen device fairly cheaply these days. It's easy to use, you can use parental controls to make sure she doesn't mess anything up that would require you coming over to fix it, and there's lots and lots of apps available.

    --
    Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
  44. It's not all about function, UI matters! :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad

    A refurbished first generation iPad would save $100. A refurbished iPad 2 would save $50.

    Face it, iOS is best suited to the task thanks to Apple's UI prowess. It isn't enough to have a home screen with icons, there is so much more to the device than that. There are more applications for the iPad than any other tablet. You'll stand a better chance of finding things that appeal to her.

    I agree with others too. Don't undersell Internet connectivity. If they have WiFi where she is, streaming from Netflix ($7.99/month) would give her unlimited access to a LOT of movies and television shows she grew up with. If you get her an iPad 2 and anyone else in her family has an iPad 2, recent iPod Touch, iPhone 4 or 4S or Mac, they'll be able to do video chats with her that will, to her, be as easy as answering an ordinary phone call. If you're the I've-had-a-webcam-since-1994 technical type, you probably don't grasp just how powerful that ease is to some folks.

    If she doesn't have WiFi where she is, that refurbished first generation iPad has 3G and with a $15/month month-to-month data plan would give her 250MB of email and basic web browsing.

  45. No. Jobs was busy with the iPhone 5. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not kidding either. Do a Google search, the reporting is that up until the week of his death, Jobs was busy with next year's iPhone. In fact, he had very little to do with the iPhone 4S.

    Look, even if the grandmother subscribes to a similar belief system as you, you've got to admit that a pastor can't be there every minute of the day, every day for an unknown number of days. He's trying to find something that will help her limit the amount of sheer boredom that can infect a person when they're bedridden. I know a thing or two about this, perhaps no where near death bed status, but certainly bedridden and bored for days on end. Boredom is more powerful and more hellish than most folks realize.

    She may still have weeks or months or even a year or two ahead of her. This gives her another way to entertain herself and to be quite frank, there isn't anything wrong with that.

  46. Don't get anything too "desirable" by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

    There are lots of people coming and going in care homes. The elderly are easy prey for "losing" things and are in no position to make accusations. Whatever you get, make sure it's strongly attached to something immovable.

    --
    politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
  47. what you want doesn't exist by iamhassi · · Score: 1

    Let me break this down:
    --easy to use
    --not expensive = less than iPad
    --iPad-like but not iPad
    --no internet
    --no "advanced features" (whatever that means)

    Nope. Doesn't exist. Closest thing to what you described was the HP Touchpad when it was $99. You can still get a Touchpad for about $200, and if you're really trying to go cheap you can do that, but honestly all tablets are pretty worthless without internet, there's no amount of applications you can put on it that will make up for the fact that there's no internet connection. Does the nursing home not offer wifi for residents? I would think she would love to get on facebook and see how everyone's doing or open Skype and videochat.

    So here's the options:
    A) ~$200 = HP Touchpad off eBay and install Android because there's very few apps in the webOS market designed for tablets, only a few thousand.
    B) iPad

    Why: There's other tablets out there, but in the $200-$400 range none offer more than a Touchpad does. Devices under $200 will be small, underpowered, poor battery and might even have hardware issues, you don't want to visit grandma and find out the touchscreen stopped working. Device over $200 don't really offer as much as the Touchpad does until you get to the $400+ range, and if you don't mind spending $400 you might as well just go the iPad route at that point, it'll be the easiest tablet to use in the $400+ price range.

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    1. Re:what you want doesn't exist by mspohr · · Score: 1

      I do agree that a touchpad type device would be good. However, you recommend an HP touchpad (obsolete) because of its low cost or an iPad (high cost). There are other better supported options. Both the Nook color and Kindle Fire are low cost and offer most of what the iPad does for about $200. They will certainly meet the needs of grandma.

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  48. progeny by catmistake · · Score: 1

    Is there a simple device that will let her easily play some games?

    Yes, as a matter of fact indeed there is. I believe your grandmother may refer colloquially to this simple but rare device as "grandson with deck of cards."

    Now, hang your head in shame you selfish bastard.

    1. Re:progeny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod up. People need to learn how to talk to their grandparents or parents instead of throwing toys and screens at them.

    2. Re:progeny by S37Rigor+Mortis · · Score: 1

      I'm sure _you_ have unlimited time to spend with your grandma, but I assure you that most people have jobs, families, hobbies, and generally lives outside of their aging relatives. Don't get me wrong here, we love them and visit them, but we can't be there 24/7 -- and we want them to have something to do when we AREN'T there with a pack of cards. So try not to be such a pretentious prick next time, and instead of thinking up some ridiculous/asinine statement to make yourself look foolish to thousands of slashdot readers, think up a helpful response and post it to help out the person who asked the original question.

  49. Speculating on the Kindle by beadfulthings · · Score: 1

    I'm wondering about the new Kindle Fire. I have no direct exposure to it at all, beyond what I've read and seen on the Innertubes, but if your grandmother has all her mental capabilities, she might enjoy some reading matter as well as puzzles and games. The Kindle would give her access to books and magazines in a format where the print can be made extra-extra large if that is what she needs. I don't have anybody elderly at the moment, although I cared for my Aged Mum. If I did have somebody, I'd be looking closely at the Kindle for them.

    (Incidentally, the "grandson with a deck of cards" device referred to in an earlier post also has great potential benefits for both grandmother and grandson.)

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  50. Look into vitamin D defiency etc... by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    See: http://www.changemakers.com/node/113512/comments

    Have you thought about something voice activated, like Siri on an iPad?

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    1. Re:Look into vitamin D defiency etc... by couchslug · · Score: 1

      Voice can be useful to someone with impaired coordination.

      Good idea!

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  51. Get a Job! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    So here's the options:
    A) ~$200 = HP Touchpad off eBay and install Android because there's very few apps in the webOS market designed for tablets, only a few thousand.
    B) iPad

    Am I the only one who thinks he should get a part-time job for a few weeks to raise the extra $200 to get his dying grandmother something that will make her happy in her last few months of life?

    I was very tempted to pepper that with obscenities to a degree that would make Penn Jillette look normal. Jesus Flying Christ on a bike (there).

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  52. The Butler Did It. by magusxxx · · Score: 1

    Personally, I'd get her some Agatha Christie novels to keep the little grey cells active.

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  53. Re:Logistics... by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    Yes, assuming it's physically possible -- the OP could be hundreds or even thousands of miles away. Nothing beats in-person interaction.

    The FaceTime feature of the iPad would be nice for that kind of situation.

  54. Perfect Device For The Elderly by crow_t_robot · · Score: 0

    http://bit.ly/3DTg7a

    Glad I could help.

  55. Wow, this is someone's grandmother by Eric_Grimm · · Score: 1

    Did you think about what you were doing before you posted that? I'm so glad I'm not in the place you seem to be in. Please don't try to take us with you.

  56. Touchpads best for a shared activity; try books. by Eric_Grimm · · Score: 2

    My mother suffers from Alzheimer's and some other conditions. She recently spent about a month in a skilled nursing facility, doing physical rehab and strengthening before returning to live with me. About the time she was admitted, I purchased an HP touchpad for her as a gift. I think that the device was great for her, but not in the ways I expected. She used it almost daily. I was able to load it up with a lot of music, which she enjoyed greatly, And the slideshow function also received rave reviews from her.

    However, the touchscreen interface (though seeming simple to me), was not ideal. First of all, it proved difficult for her to master the touch interface because of problems applying enough pressure on the screen, or too much. Those of us without arthritis, and who do not have as much difficulty with manual dexterity, perhaps do not always anticipate what a challenge it can be to master the making of gestures to interact with a touch interface. Second, learning the GUI itself proved hard, and her preferred approach became to call me on the telephone to have me make sure that the programs she preferred were running. She was pleased to have music play on on a preset or shuffled playlist, but with a month to try, it did not seem that she managed to master how to select particular songs off of the playlist. Switching between programs was a task on which she would make progress with coaching, but repeating this skill on her own was a real challenge.

    I've also let her work with my iPad, and similar difficulties are present.

    Your grandmother may do much better, and may not necessarily find it quite such a challenge. But there's also a good possibility that she will find efforts to operate it without the assistance of others, rather frustrating. I recommend spending time together in person, and augmenting that quality time by using the device as a conversation piece, something to talk about and an activity to share together. Perhaps there are other devices that are more suitable, but I do not recommend touchpads generally, except for use as a common activity to enjoy together.

    Good old-fashioned books, with pages to turn, on the other hand, are a killer app for all ages. My mom cannot get enough of them. And I personally believe the stimulation is very important for maintaining cognitive function as long as possible.

    Hope that helps.

  57. iPad Ergonomics in a hospital bed by monomania · · Score: 1

    I use the Apple 'SmartCover' with my iPad, sitting in front of me on the hospital-style cantilevered table that adjusts perfectly for height as I recline in the bed. The iPad touch sensitivity is very light and quick; in fact, I have more problems tapping the screen too hard and knocking over the pad when I am using an app in portrait mode needing lots of touch input, and have sometimes turned to my 12South 'Compass' stand for a solid easel-style display (very stabile, I recommend it).

  58. Don't cheap out on your grandma! by undeadbill · · Score: 1

    If she is in a home, she only has so much time left. Get her something nice, like a fully featured IPad, and spend a few days with her showing her how to use it. She will appreciate the extra time spent, and her learning to use Facebook, Twitter, and other apps will give her that extra interaction with the lives of others outside of her home that she may be craving. Heck, she might even start getting more visitors if she can get in touch with them more often!

    Also, working out the speech to text features for her might be beneficial so she is not spending all of her time hunting and pecking to compose a messages.

    But, man, she only has so much time left, so give her a little extra. You may see that Ipad back in your hands sooner than you think. And if not, the bright spot in your life you will make for her will mean that much more as one of her last memories.

  59. Keep her mentally active. Keep it social. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Theres lots of good advice in the comments. Plenty of devices to experiment with and see if your grandmother enjoys any of them. That's the key. Does she want to keep in touch with family? Maybe video conferencing apps like Skype or Fuze might be helpful. Or email. Or maybe she enjoys watching movies and higher quality television, so there Netflix or Hulu might be good. Playing games like Words With Friends of Sudoku is good to keep the mind sharp, and that's the point. Her body has weakened to the point where she cannot be physically active any more. But to keep her health and spirits up, she's got to stay mentally active. So anything that you can do, especially if it offers a social aspect to keep from getting lonely, is good.

  60. Well said. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Especially "The family of someone who's moderately but not imminently close to death can't drop everything indefinitely."

    I don't get how so many people don't understand that.

  61. Better ask Grandma what SHE wants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She might just prefer a regular flow of crossword puzzle paperbacks and large print real books instead of an expensive electronic device that she has to remember to charge.

    And remember, expensive things tend to disappear in nursing homes.

  62. How is this not an advertisement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's basically some guy making spurious justifications for buying an expensive toy.

    "oh, it's to help grandma..."

  63. An "app for Grandma".... Ageing-at-Home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We are just testing an App which runs on any Android Tablet, we have tested it on the Asus Transformer 10" and the 8" Kobo Vox , the Amazon Fire should be coming soon.
    It is basically a digital picture frame, with family pictures uploadable from anywhere via the web, a pill reminder and a private home screen to run url's or Android Apps. I'd be happy to have some testers.
    The thinking is that with a moving picture frame, Grandma can think about her family and the events recorded there. This earns the device a place at her chairside table, where the discreet pill-reminder can flash when it's time for the pills. The Android apps and web pages are apparently difficult to use and for the 'daughter' to set up, so we are making them optional. The YouTubes work well, but the private Kobo library is a bit limited.
    Part of the specification is that Grandma does not have to push any buttons at all, none!

  64. Just visit her more often by lowy · · Score: 1

    She doesn't want a computer. Get the family and any of her remaining friends to visit her more often.

  65. Step one: by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

    Interview the client.

    Does granny want it? If you don't ask her what she wants, you really aren't address *her* needs, are you?

    It's common for younger people to project what is "good" and "healthy" onto older persons. Don't. It's demeaning and unrealistic.

    Interview your actual client.

    1. Re:Step one: by IronSight · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up: No point on getting something she won't use. Perhaps show her a few things and ask her if she likes them for something to do through out the day. She might just ask you for a deck of playing cards and a bed table (at least my great aunt did at 90 when we were taking care of her). Or she might just want some old school paperback books or just a nice remote with large print buttons. Just because they aren't playing a game doesn't mean they aren't using their minds. Many old people love watching game shows because it feels like a game to them to play along answering the puzzles on jeopardy or wheel of fortune or the price is right. Maybe you could show them a wheel of fortune tiger game and see if they would like that to do in their spare time if they are really into that show. New tech isn't always the answer to every problem :)

  66. I agree... WITH is the key word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If she's still mentally with it, she would probably appreciate companionship, conversation and human touch more that anything that technology is able to provide. Children and pets are a much better solution, but if she's institutionalized then you have a problem because that means visitation, since she won't be able to keep a pet, and children require transportation.

    The U.S. culture seems particularly devoid of anything that meaningfully approaches end-of-life from a spiritual or psychological perspective, but I suspect you'd have better luck and provide more meaningful experience in your grandmother's life if you were to consult a psychologist regarding her likely concerns and then sit and have a dialogue with her.

    You might look into the Center for Death and Dying, if it's still around. It was created by Richard Alpert, aka Ram Das for people who were terminal and want to prepare for the inevitable from a spiritual point of view. The curriculum drew from the Tibetan Book of the Dead and the goal was a lucid, aware passage from this world.

  67. iPad with Internet by richardtallent · · Score: 1

    - Facebook
    - FaceTime
    - NetFlix
    - iBooks
    - Zinio / Newsstand
    - Angry Birds

    Done.

  68. 'Insulin Potentiation Therapy' by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

    (Sorry- posting here as you had no public email listed.)

    'Insulin Potentiation Therapy' is very promising for treating cancer. I researched it for a friend's liver cancer. His doctors did not take it forward, but I saw enough evidence and first hand reports to convince me it wasn't quackery, and that it could help people with even terminal cancer.

    I'll send you the information I found if you like. My email is in my account details.

  69. Use an Air Desk for whatever you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever you get,take a look at the Air Desk! It is made for using computers more comfortably. The computer is on a swing-arm, and can be adjusted for height.

  70. computer for the elderly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My husband sent me this discussion because I work in a nursing home and love computers too. Out of 40 or so residents only 4 use the internet. Part of the reason is that the center does not have wireless yet and resident's have to use a cell phone or dial-up. I agree with those who say a key board would likely be easier for someone whose dexterity is compromised. I am 63 and had trouble switching to a touch screen smart phone, myself. It took me several weeks to get used to it. If the person you are getting this computer for is mentally sharp, it may still take patience on the part of the elderly person and whoever is teaching her to use the device, but could be a real boost to her quality of life, especially if you can set her up to email and Skype.

  71. iPad by Barryke · · Score: 1

    I say iPad.
    (disclaimer: i am an Android fan)

    I shouldn't explain more, but if you insist:
    I think it is perfect for consumers who don't want much choice, but just an experience that works, without much tech-babble or knowhow. Once people understand that they can slide the screen (sometimes) and can touch things, its very intuitive (especially) for anyone not experienced with Personal Computers or Microsoft Windows start menu's.

    So in short i say:
    consumer = iPad, and
    "prosumer" or content creator = Android, and in the future, i foresee
    business floor (but not primarily as a communication or offsite device) = Windows8 tablet.

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  72. plato-IV by arbitraryaardvark · · Score: 1

    the best touch screen based system i've seen, designed for ease of use by non-computer users, was the PLATO-IV system.
    in 1982.

  73. Weight is a factor by Grismar · · Score: 1

    I own and regularly use a Xoom and at work several colleagues use other Android tablets - some iPads floating around as well. They all have one thing in common and that's the weight that gets uncomfortable after more than a few minutes of use. Most people feel the need to put it down on the table, or rest it on their lap. If someone has poor eyesight and frail arms, I can see this being a real problem - the weight will be even more of a problem, while the need to hold it closer to one's face is greater.

  74. Touchscreen Tablet of your choice by Rossman · · Score: 1

    I recently gave my 90+ year old grandmother one of the HP Touchpad's I got from the HP firesale. Much to my surprise, she took to it right away. I set up her email, skype, few games, etc. and supplied her with a dock and bluetooth keyboard. She was even using it in the hospital last week when she was in getting a pacemaker, the nurses were quite impressed apparently.

    Am certain an iPad, or Android tablet would be just as suitable, they are all pretty easy to use and if you preconfigure it for them, they'll be all set..

  75. Kindle Fire or Kobo Vox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If she like's reading and you want something affordable for her why not go with an android powered ebook reader like the Kobo Vox or Kindle Fire.

    Both of these retail for around 200$. She can increase the font size to something easy for her to read and still enjoy her favorite books. Throw on a netflix or hulu app for TV with a wireless router and she would be set.

    My grandmother has one and she loves it, touch screens are very intuitive for young and old users alike.