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Indian Minister Seeks To Censor User-Generated Content Online

First time accepted submitter punit_r writes "Indian minister for Communications & Information Technology Kapil Sibal met officials from Facebook, Google, YouTube and Yahoo on Monday, 5 December 2011, and told them to screen what goes on the sites. He basically asked the websites to actively screen content. How do you screen such massive amount of data? Well, the IT minister has the perfect recipe: 'We'll use humans to screen content and not technology,' said the IT minister. Meanwhile, he got it back from the social media."

82 comments

  1. No problem by lennier1 · · Score: 2

    Just deduct the costs for that bullshit from the his ministry's budget.

    1. Re:No problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oy! That's taxpayer money!

    2. Re:No problem by Pi1grim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Better to deduct it from his salary.

    3. Re:No problem by lennier1 · · Score: 2

      That won't change much. OTOH if we were talking about the money he receives under the table ...

  2. Cool! by thisnamestoolong · · Score: 5, Funny

    So this guy is so rich that he can afford to finance a whole industry of millions of workers to monitor the web? Well, that should solve a lot of economic problems in India! Maybe he could outsource some of those jobs over here!

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    1. Re:Cool! by hihihihi · · Score: 2

      yes he is, where do you think all the money from such cases as http://www.ipaidabribe.com/ goes to!?! (hint: http://myeconomist.wordpress.com/indias-black-money-in-swiss-bank/)

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  3. He's not wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seen any spam ads on Slashdot moderated into oblivion?

    The various trolls and first posts done the same way?

    We're already doing it here!

    1. Re:He's not wrong. by Stalks · · Score: 1

      The difference is that we have seen them. India want to obliterate them into non existence.

  4. Scalable Meat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The meat algorithm is highly scalable.

  5. He and his stupid Government are looters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the Government loots the money of the people and there is a lot of black money in Swiss banks and there is a lot of protest going on to get it out from there..India is facing the same situation as US there were protest by a guy called Anna Hazare about getting Indian black money from Swiss Bank!!Now i guess you must have got the point!!

    1. Re:He and his stupid Government are looters by knuthin · · Score: 1

      This has nothing to do with that, dude. Anna Hazare is as annoying as RMS. You support him for a while, and then he just starts speaking things that aren't possible.

      And I doubt censoring content has anything to do with money in the Swiss banks. Either ways, I don't think this thing is really happening. #IdiotKapilSibal is trending in India (Twitter) and my friend pointed out how "Sibal" means man whore in Korean.

      I doubt this page was this way before this nutjob stirred up the controversy: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sibal

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    2. Re:He and his stupid Government are looters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it has, you put a censorship process, and so you make sure that the religious nuts are not offended by anything, and you ensure that (mostly sexual) frustration keeps people from thinking more or less straight (no pun intended).
      Meanwhile any critisism can be catalogued as : offence to the government, tentative to disrupt the state/constitution/whatever seems "good enough".
      If people say anything about khasmir you can also brand them as terrorists and/or insulting the army.

      Meanwhile, business as usual, and people are occupied elswhere....

  6. Of-course by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of-course he wants to stop people from speaking. That's what all people in power want - to make sure that the masses never speak.

    That's why individual liberties must be the primary concern of all people and that's why the principles upon which governments get established must put individual liberties ahead of all other concerns.

  7. Corruption by Wowsers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you hire all those humans to check the content, just think of all those minds that will be corrupted from the content they are supposed to sift through.

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    1. Re:Corruption by AdamJS · · Score: 2

      I'd imagine that would be one of the sweetest jobs of all time.
      Literally, a Porn Hunter.

    2. Re:Corruption by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm told that its a job that actually burns you out, curb-stomps your soul, and then just keeps going until you eventually crack and quit.

      Censorship is a pure cost center, and(once you get down to the level of pressing the "wicked"/"Not Wicked" buttons in response to an image series) pretty low skill, so there is absolutely no incentive to refrain from pushing you as hard and fast as they can and treating you with all the tender loving care usually reserved for retail peons.

      Plus, and I can't stress this enough, You don't get to look at the porn you want, you get to look at the porn the internet wants.

    3. Re:Corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think 4chan and shock/gore pics all day long. Tubgirl and goatse become hourly visitors.

    4. Re:Corruption by AdamJS · · Score: 2

      You seem to imply that there aren't people capable of browsing 'classic /b/' style sites for 12 hours a day.
      I'm sure India has their fair share of NEETs that would jump at a job like this, even if it's just kludging through blogspot or whatever.

    5. Re:Corruption by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      I imagine rather than being corrupted, those minds would just become numb to formerly outrageous content. Last time I went through the TSA's full body scanners, I looked at the woman watching the results. There was no hint of any of the usual emotions humans experience when seeing other (semi) naked humans--no excitement, shame, or embarrassment. There was just a blank look. Not even an "ugh, I have to do this all day?" look. At best there was a little buried resentment.

      I remember feeling sorry for her. When she goes home to her significant other, I hope she's not reminded of the endless body scans, or of the apathy they've created in her.

    6. Re:Corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Dear Sir,

      Please find attached my application for this position.

      Yours faithfully,
      Winston Smith.

    7. Re:Corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You, on the other hand, seem to have become numb to the formerly outrageous violation of being routinely bodyscanned while traveling.

    8. Re:Corruption by lee1 · · Score: 1

      Last time I went through the TSA's full body scanners, I looked at the woman watching the results.

      With your x-ray vision? I thought the people viewing the images from the pornoscanners were supposed to be in a different room.

    9. Re:Corruption by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      She was standing not far from the machine, looking at some screen I couldn't see. My memory of the surroundings is hazy.

    10. Re:Corruption by lee1 · · Score: 1

      How do you know that the screen she was looking at had anything to do with the scanner? Couldn't she have been looking at Facebook?

    11. Re:Corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really, unfortunatelly people are very able to lie to themselves..
      A good example is the situation in Iran and China, after the Iran/Irak war the government in iran did massive hiring of war widows and disabled veterans to check the paper mail.
      Those people faithfully discharges their "obligations" and where directly responsible for tens of thousand people being put in jail, tortures and in many case killed (in the case of the women they where often raped first, because it is not hallal to kill a virgin).
      Currently there are probably millions of chines "drones" paid to monitor the chinese web, and they do it with a lot of entousiasm.
      Same thing is BTW happening in saudi arabia and probably many other countries.

      So those people will in their wast majority either "agree with the policy" because they dislike what they see, or "agree even more" because they are deep down not so sure, but since aving second thought about the policy puts their job in jeopardy.

      Unfortunatelly it is not necessary to have any moral compass, ethics, intelligence or capacity for rational though to "use the internet".
      No government has any issue finding a large number of nitwit who are different enough from seefood to be able to execute some simple minimally technical process, and stupid or immoral enought to be unable to think or care about the value of what they do.

      Just think about the TSA recruitment process.

    12. Re:Corruption by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      There was no input device that I can recall, so Facebook should be out. I suppose it's possible she was looking at something else like the output of an x-ray machine, though those people stand right behind it, and she was definitely not behind an x-ray machine.

    13. Re:Corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      . . . ok, I'm semi-afraid to ask...
      "NEET"?

    14. Re:Corruption by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Unless I've missed something ghastly by not visiting urbandictionary at work, it seems pretty harmless:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEET "Not in Education, Employment, or Training".

    15. Re:Corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Porn Hunter.

      That sounds like the name for a new series on Discovery...

  8. Re:Dear India: GTFO of my internets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    codes, plz. kthxbye.

  9. Name suggestion by chortick · · Score: 5, Funny

    He could call it the State Telecommunications And Security Initiative? I'll have to check now, I'm worried that STASI might be already taken...

    1. Re:Name suggestion by corbettw · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think Government Experts Stopping Threats Against Political Organizations might work better. Granted, it's longer, but GESTAPO just rolls off the tongue easier.

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  10. Exactly! by Aardpig · · Score: 0

    Every community needs their own individual library -- it's a basic right, especially in the sub-literate parts of India.

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    1. Re:Exactly! by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      what? Libraries? I said liberties, not libraries. Also saying that something that must be given to you by somebody else is a 'right' is what leads to eventual economic and social destruction in every case the destruction happened.

    2. Re:Exactly! by hihihihi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it dosn't matter libraries or liberties.. the bastard and his government has taken care of that all.

      just take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Literacy_in_India_1901_-_2011.PNG

      for first 50 years of independence - him and people of his likes has taken complete care that masses remain illeterate. the jump seen after 1990 is *after* our oh-so-precious ministers were forced to open the economy.

      and now they want to screen the content which they may not like... i am sure they will start with wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_in_India

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    3. Re:Exactly! by Aardpig · · Score: 1

      YHBT. HAND.

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    4. Re:Exactly! by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      That's the dumbest attempt at a troll ever. What kind of a stupid 'troll' is that? The 'confuser' troll?

    5. Re:Exactly! by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      it dosn't matter libraries or liberties.. the bastard and his government has taken care of that all.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Literacy_in_India_1901_-_2011.PNG

      Brandon Harris? That bearded bastard! How did he get into Indian government?

    6. Re:Exactly! by Aardpig · · Score: 0

      Well, it got your Galtian knickers in a twist, didn't it?

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    7. Re:Exactly! by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      FYI I don't wear knickers, you clumsy clown!

  11. He's just trying to boost their economy by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He's just trying to boost the Indian economy by creating a new sector of tech support people thus supporting the bubble and burgeoning middle class in India. The migration of millions of tech support and call center jobs has created a middle class in a formerly 2 tiered country. Now that they are starting to lose those jobs due to rising wages, he's looking to expand it is all. Oh, and you got to keep the people ignorant too.

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    1. Re:He's just trying to boost their economy by hihihihi · · Score: 1

      believe me, he is not.

      he (and whoever has been in his post for last century) just want to screen out the content the government feels uncomfortable with - you know like all other megalomaniacs in history of human civilization. But people are rising (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/24/us-india-corruption-middleclass-idUSTRE77N4JO20110824) and he just want to act fast before its too late.

      and as for economy, if http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_black_money_in_swiss_banks is to be believed, "The total amount of black money deposited in foreign banks by Indians is unknown, but one estimate by R Vaidyanathan, a Professor of Finance, estimated the total at over 7,280,000 Crores (US$1.4 trillion)" (Vaidyanathan is professor at IIM B'lore, the mgmt. equiv of IIT in india).

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    2. Re:He's just trying to boost their economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's just trying to boost the Indian economy by creating a new sector of tech support people thus supporting the bubble and burgeoning middle class in India. The migration of millions of tech support and call center jobs has created a middle class in a formerly 2 tiered country. Now that they are starting to lose those jobs due to rising wages, he's looking to expand it is all. Oh, and you got to keep the people ignorant too.

      This would end up like East Germany, where one half of the population was spying on the other half. In India's case, that's a whole lot of spying.

      One expects this sort of arrant nonsense from your typical politician, but you would think that someone with "IT" in his title would have some vague idea of the ridiculousness of his proposal.

    3. Re:He's just trying to boost their economy by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 1

      you would think that someone with "IT" in his title would have some vague idea of the ridiculousness of his proposal.

      Sir, you must not deal with IT management very often.

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  12. Lack of tolerance by benignbala · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The whole problem is because of lack of a tolerance to criticism. The actual reason is most probably someone wrote something really harsh about the policies adopted by his political party. And that is something the he couldn't take in his stride. Anyone who wants to have a public life, should also be ready to face the criticism. Curbing freedom and there by the criticism of the very people who elected you is something very cheap. And in addition to that, he had probably assumed that a large user base from India implied control of the industry. Imagine using humans to track each of those millions of posts on G+, FB, Twitter combined together. Absolutely foolish. If anything, he is tarnishing the image of the country. Hailing from India, what I sense is, he is anticipating a huge wave of protests from the people vis-a-vis the Jan Lokpal bill(a bill to fight corruption). His party is proposing a version which not really liked by a a lot of people. That bill is likely to be tabled sometime soon. And to get away from such criticism, he is going all out.

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    1. Re:Lack of tolerance by MimeticLie · · Score: 2
      "The actual reason is most probably someone wrote something really harsh about the policies adopted by his political party."

      Pretty much, yeah:

      About six weeks ago, Mr. Sibal called legal representatives from the top Internet service providers and Facebook into his New Delhi office, said one of the executives who was briefed on the meeting.

      At the meeting, Mr. Sibal showed attendees a Facebook page that maligned the Congress Party’s president, Sonia Gandhi. “This is unacceptable,” he told attendees, the executive said, and he asked them to find a way to monitor what is posted on their sites.

      From the NYT blog.

  13. Alternate schedule work plan for the masses! by Twinbee · · Score: 2

    I know - we'll get half of the population to do the screening for each user request, and the other half to actually view it immediately afterwards. The lag shouldn't be too bad - only half a minute per HTML page view.

    They can take it in turns, so that half of the population screens one week, and then following week, they're the viewers, and the other half screens.

    And the icing on the cake: it will create more work, which results in more jobs too!

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    1. Re:Alternate schedule work plan for the masses! by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      solution is to play a 30 second ad while the desi 'filterer' checks the content. if the content appears after the 30 second ad, you know its 'safe' to view.

      I know, I should not give them ideas, huh?

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  14. After some calculations..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with some old numbers:
    http://searchengineland.com/by-the-numbers-twitter-vs-facebook-vs-google-buzz-36709

    1355 employees x at €50 per month = € 67750 p/m

    Taking into account that an average workweek of +78 hours is not weird in India, it would mean that with 2 shifts working at 79 hours you would be able to cover it at a total expense of € 135500 p/m. Which would mean it would be even beneficial to do so since it cost less in maintenance and reliability lawsuits.

    Overtime is already included in the +78 hours workweek (cause without extra time they would not make €20 a month) and you can reduce costs even by only hiring woman! Since they are considered there as cheaper labor!

    I am not saying in any way that this is correct, but it is the sad and harsj reality!

  15. I think this is possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is possible at least for Youtube, obviously not for Facebook or Google. According to Youtube, there are 48 hours of video uploaded every minute. Therefore you would need 2,880 people watching 24/7 to view every video. Divide into 3 shifts of 8 hours a day, and you have 8,640 people working full time. Using a wage of 10,000 Rupees or 250USD a month, this should cost about 26 million USD.

    1. Re:I think this is possible by punit_r · · Score: 2

      Possibility aside... it is appalling that the minister wants to pre-censor all the content generated by users. What he is suggesting is that all user generated content be reviewed before it goes online. This is just intolerance to opposing views.

      Almost all social networking websites have a "report abuse" mechanism that is most probably checked by humans after some automated filtering. The point is why introduce censorship of any kind that can affect free speech in a democratic country.

      I would have given him due credit if he had asked the websites to improve their abuse check mechanisms or asked for a faster resolution of reported posts / pages. But, his suggestion is to prevent any potentially objectionable post from going online. There is no way this can be justified in a free country.

  16. Wait by AdamJS · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I understand how he can ask, say, Facebook to remove disparaging content and screen for it. Stupid and a fundamentally massive and retarded task, to be sure.

    But how in gods name did they think that ISPs have the ability to delete content on other and foreign sites?
    India's It leaders literally do not understand the internet.

    1. Re:Wait by knuthin · · Score: 1

      He's a lawyer for fuck's sake! What a sham!

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    2. Re:Wait by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      But how in gods name did they think that ISPs have the ability to delete content on other and foreign sites?

      Maybe he got the idea from these people:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_firewall_of_china

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    3. Re:Wait by AdamJS · · Score: 1

      That's not what they/he's asking for though. They demand that service providers somehow actually delete content hosted on random hosts.

      I mean, a firewall/filter would easily appease this person, but only because their understanding of the internet is apparently so unbelievably uninformed and stupid.

  17. crowdsource it by bityz · · Score: 1

    I've got it! Instead of paying a large number of people to censor the internet, just let people create links to the good stuff and ignore the bad stuff - soon the whole world will be acting as your censors and only the good stuff will be easy to find!

    Now to let Minister Sibal know that I will implement this system for only 1.5 million USD.

  18. Some desi feedback. by knuthin · · Score: 1

    That's what you get when you make a lawyer the "Minister for Communications & Information Technology".

    To his credit, he was also the guy who released the $35 Android tablet, but I doubt he had anything to do with it directly.

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  19. Re:Whoa, Whoa, Whoa by hihihihi · · Score: 1

    no, we cannot... who knew they could be plotting to bring scandals to public view

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  20. Indian minister wants to censor ONLY .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the pictures of his two bosses ... those who belong to the current Royal Dynasty of India .... those who have to suffixed with G !

  21. Mired in the Past by Droog57 · · Score: 1

    There's someone who is firmly rooted in the Class system in India, and is probably to old and outdated to even understand what "Social Media" is, never mind what it implies. The world is changing at an exponential rate, and old-think like this has had it's days numbered and spray painted in neon on the virtual wall. Just pray that this tidal wave doesn't end up killing like that tsunami a few years back..

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  22. Kapil is Indian politician and lawyer by ramktw · · Score: 1

    On average an Indian movie is poorly censored . They dont care for movie industry .. I wonder why they are behind youtube/FB/Google........ may be to get some money under table.

  23. YouTube already censoring by lee1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    YouTube [i.e., Google] is already providing some of the censorship this guy is asking for. Perhaps not for him yet, but certainly for the Chinese and Pakistani governments and various Muslim groups. And not just for overseas consumption: much of this censorship applies to content served in the U.S.

  24. Sounds like he is looking for an outsourcing deal by Xenious · · Score: 1

    Sounds to me like he has some humans that are just perfect for the job. I'd like to see the companies to tell him to take a flying leap and let the consumers decide what they want to read and ignore what they find offensive.

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  25. censorship by bigclass · · Score: 1

    That's not a bad idea. If we are able to censor tv and films,then web cannot be an exception

  26. Censoring ALL social media... by zwede · · Score: 1

    Unemployment: Solved.

    1. Re:Censoring ALL social media... by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Given time, it can even be shown that Unemployment was never a problem in the first place.

  27. He is preparing for the Dec Protests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The last time Indian citizens protested against the Govt for Jan Lokpal (an anti-corruption bill) the protesters made use of sms, twitter & facebook.
    A month after the protest the Govt passed a bill restricting the number of SMS that can be sent by a person to 100 SMS'es per day.
    This looks like the next step.
    No one expects fb or twitter to filter all user generated content... But it will certainly give the party in power an excuse to block these sites when the time comes.

  28. sibal is a clown by phreakv6 · · Score: 2

    Using 'think of the children' and 'hurting religious sentiments' as reasons for censoring is getting out of hand all over the world.

    this guy is a known clown. all he wants to achieve out of this is to censor all anti-congress sentiments on the indian internets which has been on an incredible rise this year. he is getting what he deserves. look at #kapilsibal and #idiotkapilsibal

    the ire is epic. the biggest democracy on the planet prides its free speech. snubbing that is going to take some doing.

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  29. The largest democracy wants censorship by ChilyWily · · Score: 1

    Very sad to see that the world's largest democracy could in fact be the 'largest censored democracy'.

    1. Re:The largest democracy wants censorship by nashv · · Score: 1

      Actually, although Kapil Sibal is democratically elected, this seems to be his own idea. I am Indian, and currently visiting Mumbai. The amount of backlash he is getting from the Indian public is astonishing. Nearly all media is heavily criticising him for this move.

      This is not a popularly supported move. And it will go away. Nothing to see , move along.

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  30. He's Been Busy by carrier+lost · · Score: 1

    Indian Minister Seeks To Censor User-Generated Content Online

    Also:

    • Orders National Oceanographic Institute to make water not wet
    • Calls on PETA to create system for herding cats
    • Instructs engineers to figure out how to nail jelly to trees
    • Insists General Electric begin installing air conditioning equipment in hell
    • Demands that the History Channel stop adding sound-effects to slient films
  31. Meeting of two great democracies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mr. Sibbal, meet Senator Ted Stevens. Living examples of stupid politicians who have no clue about technology in the two largest democracies in the world.

    1. Re:Meeting of two great democracies by tragedy · · Score: 1

      You're a little late since Ted Stevens died last year.