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Google Seeks To Plant Antenna Farm In Iowa
1sockchuck writes "Google is seeking permission to place satellite antennas on land near its data center in Council Bluffs, Iowa. The 4.5 meter antennas could be used to receive content feeds from broadcast networks that could be bundled with a high-speed fiber service. The FCC filings were made by Google Fiber, which is currently laying fiber for a high-speed network in Kansas City that will provide Internet connectivity 'at speeds more than 100 times faster than what most Americans have today.'"
I could see requiring permission to place transmitters, but why for receivers?
Google's pilot studies about extremely high-speed fiber connections are extremely important, so that we can run all the decentralized encrypted darknets we will need in the future as fast as the Internet is today.
"Google is seeking permission to place satellite antennas on land"
Not to be confused with the antennas they plan to put on water, trees and birds.
All they will use that bandwidth for is farm porn and wrestling.
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Unblocks your data tubes and lets all those nourishing ads flood through.
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I think your getting confused with Iowa!
Well, at least someone from Kansas City was here on slashdot to confirm your rant.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
When I read things like this, it makes me think that the "progressives" are deserving of every bit of the antagonism that they get from the "conservatives."
How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
Better access to media and the realities of the world around them will probably help the situation there, not the opposite.
There's a reason that educated people trend liberal.
It sounds like this project is changing from just offering high speed service to offering either an RF overlay system or IPTV platform.
So, Google is going to install a cable headend in Council Bluffs, IA. This is smelling like Google is laying the groundwork to provide broadcast video via their Fiber network, and then start looking into broadcast video via the Internet. Seeing how Google is buying Motorola Mobility (not just cellular communications but also satellite and cable products), they might be trying leverage another part of the company. Owning Moto, gives them a competitive advantage to strong arm content providers. I find this curious because Google begins to become more vertically integrated and they then can strong arm other providers, or make entry into the market for true Internet based video impossible for the little guys because they would raise the cost of the reception and processing equipment via Motorola. On the flip side, this could pave the way for Internet access to be decoupled from video and pots, thus making the dumb pipe for the consumer reality because it breaks the cable oligopolies.
No, we're quite sure about evolution. It's the politicians that arent, just like every other place in the country.
From a progressive point of view, I think it makes perfect sense. The more access to the "real world" these people have, the harder it will be for the echo chamber to hold them.
How long can they remain "backward" if they are able to see the goings-on of the world around them? The fundamentalist mindset you're complaining about requires an echo chamber. This is why cults always cut themselves off from the outside world. The outside world provides too much evidence that the crap they're being fed by their chosen David Koresh or Jim Jones is just that, crap.
I honestly think that getting high-technology out into the country would be a progressive's wet dream. The rural parts of the country are so staunchly conservative in part because of their isolation. I suppose one could argue the opposite, as well, that people in urban areas are more progressive because they're forced to live in close quarters and thus have no choice but be more tolerant of those different from them, whether in looks, opinions, religion, etc.
When I was in high school, there was a Catholic grade school that fed into our public school. It was funny watching those kids, in just a few months, go fucking crazy with the freedom to act and dress that they never had before. Ditto with the kids coming in to our "city" school from out on the farms.
maybe they can get the best NHL CI HD other out of market sports like MLB EI, and NBA LP that the others don't have.
1 don't uses in demand
2. USE WGN 9 HD yes the local one (same thing as the WGN Canadian feed) and WCIU HD
3. Use the canadian HD feeds CBC (2-3 HD games at the same time) rogers sports net's East, Ontario, West, Pacific, Sports Net One, + the sports net one RSN feeds Flames, Oilers , Vancouver, Senators. The TSN feeds TSN HD and TSN 2 HD + the RSN feeds jets and habs. Also the the score HD and leafs tv HD.
4. Dual feeds for all games that have 2 feeds in HD.
5. a HD MIX channel for all as well.
As a Kansas resident I am offended. Yes, our nut bags are better at catching press than your's but that doesn't make any other places nut bags less crazy.
I know land is cheap there and you can make sweatheat deals with the local corrupticians, but really google, why not upgrade a more progressive area of the country?
Because most likely, the people in a little area of Kansas aren't going to hit what is probably a 10 gig data cap within the first hour of connection. Run that same line to MY neighborhood, and I'll need an extra hard drive in a week (which is EXACTLY WHY this "experiment" will never get beyond a sleepy little Kansas neighborhood).
It would be cool if Google had farms like this all over the world. Then they could stream the content on YouTube. We could watch euro soccer matches for example.
Or unfiltered news from the middle east, etc.
yeah, if there's one thing this country really needs; its higher speed internet for the fundies in kansas.
What this country really needs is people whose world-view isn't completely a creation of the corporate news media.
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Will these Antennae be grown organically and do they produce waste that could be used for bio-fuel?
At least in Iowa we know how to spell "you're."
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Yeah, because we need to ONLY let like-minded people and ideas into our ivory tower echo chamber club! That'll keep those dirty outsiders out! Those primitive types, only letting like-minded people and ideas into their little... ...hang on...
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So they're laying down plain old 100 mbit copper?
This approach illustrates how a company can provide content over favorable bandwitdth/networking conditions without running afoul of typical network neutrality rules. Not saying it is good or bad yet--just noting that building special pipes/signalling systems for certain content seems to be a loophole.
Just substitute in "humans" for progressives and conservatives.
Regardless of evolved or created, humans love nothing better than talking trash about "those" people.
I actually misread that as "Google Seeks To Patent Antenna Farm In Iowa"
First of all, these are 15 feet across. That's huge. They also generate passive effects. The dish itself is a parabloic (sic) reflector, and for a unit of this size, can have unintended consequences on equipment located nearby. I don't understand quite how it all works, but the FCC requires permits for antennas above a certain db gain, and these would definately (sic) qualify for that.
It's a receive-only dish. Those don't emit RF. As reflectors, dishes have less effect than a flat surface, other than near their focus. (The focus is close to the dish, and that's where the receiving antenna and low-noise amplifier are mounted.)
From a progressive point of view, I think it makes perfect sense. The more access to the "real world" these people have, the harder it will be for the echo chamber to hold them.
How long can they remain "backward" if they are able to see the goings-on of the world around them? The fundamentalist mindset you're complaining about requires an echo chamber. This is why cults always cut themselves off from the outside world. The outside world provides too much evidence that the crap they're being fed by their chosen David Koresh or Jim Jones is just that, crap.
I honestly think that getting high-technology out into the country would be a progressive's wet dream. The rural parts of the country are so staunchly conservative in part because of their isolation. I suppose one could argue the opposite, as well, that people in urban areas are more progressive because they're forced to live in close quarters and thus have no choice but be more tolerant of those different from them, whether in looks, opinions, religion, etc.
When I was in high school, there was a Catholic grade school that fed into our public school. It was funny watching those kids, in just a few months, go fucking crazy with the freedom to act and dress that they never had before. Ditto with the kids coming in to our "city" school from out on the farms.
This Link says it all.
"Google Seeks To Plant Antenna Farm In Iowa"
I wonder what kind of fertilizer they plan to use?
Indeed. Certainly wouldn't want to give those Kansans any distraction from growing food for your portly cube dwelling butt.
Google by building a farm in tornado central and hiring engineers their is showing either ignorance of modern cable super head ends to take content feeds from the content providers.
Google does not need to build this next to the data center for distribution of live stream content. It can be rented in very fast order from L3 with multiple farms or be put on multiple network carriers with what is now a low end DIA at 100mbit/sec.
Super head ends are all satellite Feed de-encryption and IPv4 multicast converters and are not very sexy places these days...2-6 NEXUS 7K/6513Es and a whole bunch of Scitific Alantic (now Cisco) gear. The largest linups are less than 20-30gig/sec in total. (15mbit/sec is high even for combined HD/SD streams at highest rates for all but major network sports). They would be really smart to put all the commercial insets, EBS, VOD ingest in the cloud infrastructure in existing DCs if they want to recast how to distribute live streams to TVset/settops
It is also possible this is entirely for only VOD injest to their content servers as this is the industry standard way to multicast a stream to clients media servers by the providers and networks. It has been a very cheap way to get 500Gig of VOD files to 40-2000 clients without paying for wireline bandwidth. Send everything you got broadcast...think multicast... off a bird and just send out the keys to lic the content on the VOD servers.
VZ, L3, AT&T, Comcast, and any number of smaller players like Frontier Communications could all provide these services tomorrow for a fee off dishes that they already pay for. And proably would be good choices as backup sites to kanas as you need at least 2 farm locations separated by geographic bands caused by solar and weather interference issues. The more forward thinking content networks could also provide a circuit or MPLS based feed direct to a couple of Googles DCs and bypass all needs for the Satellite sharks involvement in the path for streams of network content.
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I honestly think that getting high-technology out into the country would be a progressive's wet dream. The rural parts of the country are so staunchly conservative in part because of their isolation. I suppose one could argue the opposite, as well, that people in urban areas are more progressive because they're forced to live in close quarters and thus have no choice but be more tolerant of those different from them, whether in looks, opinions, religion, etc.
Or become less tolerant. My take is that people who actually commit crimes based on bigotry tend to be more urban. And institutionalized "reverse" racism (such as advocating reparations for historical incidents of racism) tends to be an urban belief.
I see the rural/urban thing as one of the great divisions in modern human society. And IMHO the increased urbanization of the entire world has profound effects, not all positive. Historically, this seems similar to much of China's and Europe's histories.
I'm not entirely sure this deserves a response, but you might want to double check your assumptions about the demographics of Kansas City, KS. I admit this is an assumption on my part, but you might be surprised to know that Kansas City is largely in Missouri. KCK is by comparison very small, but I admit for this topic either might technically be correct since Google has deemed it fit to fiber them both up.
There's a reason that educated people trend liberal.
I'm reminded here that credentials are a lot easier to get than intelligence and wisdom.
I would just point out for the record that Kansas City, KS and Kansas City, MO are not rural. While it is true that rural Kansas schools are facing serious problems as a result of depopulation, nobody is lining up to send their children to school in KCK or KCMO.
I think that progressives are way to concerned with moving.
There is no set destination or even a map showing how to get to the pace that does not exist.
Yet we must keep moving forward. Toward something that we should not look at.
The fact that moving is creating a worse education environment for our children and larger government debt for them to deal with has nothing to do with the direction we are moving in. It is always the fault of not moving fast enough in the chosen direction.
Sometimes I just get tired. I am really starting to believe that we will not look at what is happening till all is run by our benevolent government and we are all working for the government. Then when all is run by or massively regulated by the government and there are no evil corporations left. If all is not fun and games at that time can we please duct tape the mouths of all those who brought us here?
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
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Wow. An encrypted Slashdot post. I wonder what it means.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
By attempting to give a reasonable answer you're kind of legitimizing the parent troll's point...that the local market's (supposed) political views should be considered when "honoring" them with high speed internet. This is offensive on many levels.
Bring some of that 100 x's speed to Seaside Park in Bridgeport
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I live in a rural area, but I have plenty of access to technology (and I work at NASA...), and I'm staunchly conservative.
So, thanks for your ignorant generalization of us rural folk, you insensitive clod. Conservatives aren't always conservative because they are 'ignorant to modern ways' as you would imply... How many ignorant 'progressives' are there in the depressed impoverished city centers with plenty of access to a well stocked public library? You disgust me with your narrow-minded world view.
Unless you're one of those "The earth is 6,000 years old, Jesus rode a dinosaur to school, and Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for homosexuality" conservatives (working for NASA I highly fucking doubt it, but I admit I could be wrong there) you're not the type of conservative I'm speaking about.
I figured that was clear by my use of the term "fundamentalist mindset". Maybe things are different in your neck of the woods, but we don't consider typical conservatives "fundamentalists" around here. That's reserved for the people that want to censor books, make Christianity the state religion, ban evolution, etc.
However, out of curiosity, seeing as how you live out in the country, how many of your neighbors would you call "progressive"? I ask honestly, because in my visits to extended family that live out in the country (who are pretty much all conservative, except for the kids, who spend all their time on the internet) I don't often hear many people espousing "progressive" viewpoints. Not to say that they don't exist, but, for instance, I've rarely heard anyone come down on the progressive side of many issues out there. Especially now that we're out of Iraq (that was one thing we all agreed on, getting the fuck out of Iraq).
I live in Memphis, TN. A Progressive Heaven.
It's absolutely reverse racist, poor as poor can be, incredibly high violent crime rate, with the highest property taxes of a large city in the state.
Many of the folks here have an "I'm entitled" attitude, and that Obama is going to take care of them... and frankly, it's REALLY scary.
Run, they're taking over our minds now!
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-Fock you.
(p-chem joke.)
...the future crusty old bastards are already drinking the Kool-Aid.
I'm sure if Google builds it, "they" will com.
If I can generalize like you do, a majority of the "progressives" around here are the sort that live on government benefits, but that's an ignorant generalization that doesn't account for everyone. I don't quite live 'out in the country' but yes, a majority of people around here are of the conservative mindset. And those that aren't typically don't speak up about it. It is interesting to see the progressive/conservative split divided among urban and rural. But for every one of the kind of conservatives you seem to have such vitriol for there are just as many 'progressives' in the urban areas who are voting in the guy with the best handouts which is a very serious problem... Eventually, who's going to pay the taxes? I can quit my job, have some kids, and live for free with a 52" flat screen from Rent A Center... Steaks and fresh food every night, and I'm not joking I've seen it. Some of the most beautiful neighborhoods in my fair rural city are being blighted by slumlords eager to convert them to Section 8 housing. Living in a blue state, we get nailed by the higher taxes and some ridiculously excessive environmental regulations that just don't make sense 'out in the country'. That's just the tip of the iceberg of why we're conservative.
I don't quite live 'out in the country' but yes, a majority of people around here are of the conservative mindset. And those that aren't typically don't speak up about it. It is interesting to see the progressive/conservative split divided among urban and rural.
So we're in agreement, then? The majority of people are of the conservative mindset in your "not quite" rural area, and the majority of the people I've ever come across when visiting rural-living family are of the conservative mindset, so it seems like your anecdotes agree with what I said concerning rural areas being more conservative.
And what the hell are you talking about, "vitriol"? Besides the fact that I don't see what you could really call vitriolic in my post, I was talking about fundamentalists. Now, if you take exception to that, I'm sorry, but I admit I don't have much respect for the anti-science homophobic bigots. I never said all conservatives were this way, I know plenty of conservatives right here in the city that don't care about gays getting married, think abortion should be a mother's choice, etc. Hell, I actually know a gay Republican (although she's admitted she doesn't know what the fuck she's gonna do come November because none of the GOP candidates appeal to her at all, so maybe she's an Independent now).
I think you immediately jumped to a defensive you did not need to jump to. The GP himself said "fundies". Despite what you may hear to the contrary, most people don't equate conservatives with fundamentalists. Hell, most of the conservatives I know think the fundamentalists are fucking crazy. They just say it a lot nicer than I do.
And, to be totally honest...as someone who spent a few years only able to afford an apartment in an area with a lot of people on government assistance and living in Section 8 housing, there weren't many people "voting in the guy with the best handouts", because hardly any of them voted at all, even with volunteers standing out on street corners telling people that it was voting day and showing them where their polling place was, within walking distance...I know because I always vote and walked down there myself many times. Still didn't matter, the polls were always dead empty. Contrast this with the much better neighborhood I live in now, just a few miles away from there, I always end up waiting in line 30-45 minutes to vote; going after 6 PM and you're looking at an hour at least (and now that we have fucking voter-ID laws, it'll probably be two).
So I wouldn't worry too much about people voting on candidates based solely on handouts. A lot of the people I've seen collecting them don't even vote.
The nick comes from an animal character in an online rpg (a muck). Hartree Fox. ;)
HAARP started this way up in ak but maybe its a relay to underground denver complex so they can run their driverless cars and scavenge the earth for mushrooms after the the big one.. one thing should not trust this bunch
their original request to put satellite antennas on people was rejected...
I guess too many were traumatised by Cartman's satellite dish to ever make this viable option.
Well then, they were making the same joke I did. (you may know, but for others benefit...)
Hartree-Fock is a technique for computing the electronic structure of atoms and molecules.
...the future crusty old bastards are already drinking the Kool-Aid.
My background is physics and I work on a chemistry department at a university. It was a muck character I have, so I'm the one to blame for it. (Tomatoes and other missiles happily dodged. ;) Like you said, I came up with the name as a truly horrible pun that only a few would get.
Even had a suitably altered write up about the "Hartree Fox" method attached to the character description.
You've never been to Maryland then.