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Natural Fluorine Does Exist ... In Smelly Rocks
scibri writes "Chemists have proved that a smelly rock is the only known place on Earth where fluorine exists in its elemental form, F2 (Abstract).
The rock is antozonite, a calcium fluoride (fluorite) mineral that is dark violet or even black in colour, also known as fetid fluorite or stinkspar. Needless to say, this rock stinks. The pungent smell is given off when antozonite is crushed, and chemists and mineralogists have argued over the origin of the stench since the early nineteenth century.
It turns out French chemist Henri Moissan, who first isolated fluorine in 1886, was right. The rock contains pockets of fluorine that are released on crushing."
Just today I went to Autozone and bought a car air freshener!
Clues from previous experiments suggested how fluorine might be formed in the rocks. The experiments exposed artificial calcium fluoride to - and -radiation, and high-energy electron beams. The samples often turned violet, because the radiation was splitting calcium fluoride apart to form clusters of calcium ions. Subsequent tests showed that bubbles of fluorine gas were also forming in the lenses.
The same process could explain the stench of antozonite, says Kraus. The mineral contains tiny amounts of radioactive uranium-238, which decays into -emitting daughter nuclides. The rocks have been lying around for 100 million years, says Kraus, which is enough time for the radioactive decay to produce the same effect as seen in the artificial fluorite experiments.
Interesting stuff to a rock nerd.
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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion
Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?
You're gonna bring out all the anti-flouride nuts.
People so worried about a massive decades long goverment flouride consipracy that can be beat by buying a water filter....
that's just the way a hardcore commie works
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2bSL5VQgM
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I remember my geology professor telling us this exact thing back in the 80's. Was College level geology professors teaching as fact something that was only a theory?
Why could they not have ran the same tests? Gas Chromatagraphs existed back then, so setting it up to crush a sample and then test the gasses released would have been trivial.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX1qiQoASlw&feature=related
Anything that bioaccumulates that is harmful in sufficient concentrations must be kept below very very low levels of intake, sufficient so that it cannot accumulate to harmful levels. Even after 40years! heck should we accept it if it took 80years?
In southern india and many parts of africa the levels of flouride in the water naturally are so high that they suffer extreme health problems including skeletal fluorosis. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4519697926101725336
So its ironic that another AC below me is complaining about people caring about a "fucking rock" when children in Africa are starving! the Irony! Do you realise that these children in Africa are drinking upto 10 to 40mg/L of fluoride in their water and have a significantly reduced IQ as a result. What do you think reducing the entire populations IQ by 15 points does, how about 30 points.
These countries are only now implementing systems to remove water fluoride which could be one of the most significant actions available to increase their own long term self sustainability by increasing their IQ ! With a reduction of 15 IQ to the population the chinese studies found 1/3 as many children in the "Advanced class in school".
the effects of fluoride on the micovilli sound suspiciously like Coeleacs disease which has suddenly exploded, and sure there may be genetic risk factors that make people react more to wheat but the hypersensitivity of the neutrophiles can be explained by Fluoride.
Asthma rates is developed countries has exploded and it is recognised that urban pollution particularly traffic pollution is a risk factor. But what is it about the exhaust? Hydrofluoric Acid explains Asthma quite well. It causes damage to the lung tissue yes, but it also causes airway hyperresponsiveness. This is called Pot-Room-Asthma among metal foundry workers, where Fluorine gets its name, as its primary role was as a Metal Flux even before it was isolated by Henri Moissan. The latin word/prefix for Flow is Flou.
This rock didnt just stink it killed! HF gas is deadly by the time you can smell it making it particularly dangerous. Do you really think you can tell you are being exposed to it chronically, over decades, when it only becomes detectable at immediately life threatening levels.
By the way the immediately life threatening levels are around 25mg/m^3, so how many mg does it actually take to kill someone ? the accidents that have occurred in Alaska where people died after drinking over fluorinated water, vomited and then drank more, repeat, until death occured. The victims showed levels in their urine at around 20mg/L, we PUT 1mg/L in the water and tell people its good for them!
Vitamin C has a major detox role in the body, and one of these is to protect from F. The experiments in India attempting to reverse Skeletal Fluorosis use 500mg + of Vit C and Vit D and E are also shown to remove it from the body, and E helps to remove it from the CNS where it concentrates.
Its more a comedy of errors than a conspiracy, along the line of governments being complicit in allowing paracetamol to be advertised as being the "safe option" and suitable for kids. From our mistakes we are figuring out more about ourselves than we could have expected.
Oh and before anyone mentions anything about the "conspiracy" as opposed to the "comedy of errors" that is water fluoridation in America consider that Japan _doesnot_ fluoridate its water. Neither dose most of europe, also calcium fluoride added to salt has 1/50 th the dissociation in water that NaF does, possibly meaning 50 times more bioavailability. Tests measuring the levels of rat urine shows that the Silicon Fluorine compounds that are in practise used may increase the urine level of F by 3 times over the same concentration of NaF in their drinking water, suggesting an increase in the level transported to the plasma by 3 times (actually more than that because its being deposited almost everywhere along
our precious bodily fluids!
between free elemental fluorine and fluoride ions, of which the latter was what was present in your fluoridated toothpaste and water. Elemental fluorine is amazingly reactive and toxic. As a result of an aerospace technology malfunction, I once saw a cloud of free fluorine drifting up a slope, setting fire to the bushes as it moved.
Fluoride ions, not so much in therapeutic concentrations. Your teeth won't turn black, and you have a better chance of keeping your natural teeth until you die than if you had not had the fluoride ion toothpaste and water. It's not a communist conspiracy, it's just plain old boring science and epidimology.
according to http://www.theodoregray.com/periodictable/Elements/009/index.s7.html , its pretty difficult to make a container to store pure F2 gas, maybe this is a way to at least transport it, assuming you have enough of the rock, or can make more of it.
Also, you smelt it? whats the safe distance you can get near this stuff (before/after you crush it) without doing nasty damage to yourself.
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And what about the guy who says that fluoride cuts up the enzymes that re-enamalize teeth?
Healthy teeth are made of calcium and phosphate, according to Gerard Judd's old site (gerardjudd.com iirc - check archive.org)... Cavities are caused by acids which dissolve tooth enamel - these are either in foods (soda, etc), or produced by bacteria. Instead of dumping a highly reactive molecule in the water, one that contributes to osteoporosis in old women, wouldn't it be better to give kids the proper supplements in their school lunches?
Incidentally, I am totally disillusioned about oral hygiene products. Plain baking soda and salt works better for me than almost every brand of toothpaste I've ever purchased, except for one. Gerard Judd recommended bar soap on his site, and that was generally okay, but I'd have to double-brush (soap followed with baking soda) to get rid of the taste.
Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly.
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People with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydropyrimidine_dehydrogenase_deficiency DDD will be much more vulnerable to the inhibition of TS and any deleterious effects due to the in vivo formation of 5FU. This is "nearly 8% of the population".
DDD may not be entirely causative but it may be an important risk factor.
We will find out soon enough if there is a link between DDD and cancers or other deleterious effects of in vivo formation of 5FU.
www.indianpediatrics.net/apr1994/439.pdf
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7875866
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1442-200X.1996.tb03536.x/abstract
3 links so as to better ensure one works.
unfortunately there are more shills than genuine posters. (dont want to think about the useful idiots who are doing everything they can to silence a rational debate by their cries of "but but my favourite medicodrama had an episode where everyone was luling at the the smelly hippy mother who was hysterical about the "fluoride vitamin" tablets/varnish etc its obviously SAFEnEFFECTIVEtm cause my Medicodrama told me so) pure insult to the intelligence.
I suggest you consider the statement of "WHY EPA HEADQUARTERS UNION OF SCIENTISTS
OPPOSES FLUORIDATION"
btw this link is hosted at the actual website
NTEU CHAPTER 280 - U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY, NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS
BEN FRANKLIN STATION, BOX 7672, WASHINGTON D.C. 20044 - PHONE 202-566-2789
INTERNET http://www.nteu280.org E MAIL Al-Mudallal.Amer@epa.gov
http://www.nteu280.org/Issues/Fluoride/NTEU280-Fluoride.htm
There is the Affidavit of Dr Albert Schatz nobel prize winner and discoverer of Streptomycin
http://www.fluorideinbeds.org/FIB/albertschatz.asp
There is some of the history of American legal action, which was never found in favour of humans in America, although it was in Germany where the water is _not_ fluoridated today.
http://sanfelipeahora.blogspot.com.au/2008/05/flouride-damage-first-lawsuits-against.html
then there is the study done by Dr Phyllis Mullenix, one of the first scientists to use computer automated animal behaviour analysis. she wrote the software herself and designed the system, and then applied it while she worked at the Forsyth research institute.
www.fluorideresearch.org/292/files/FJ1996_v29_n2_p057-058.pdf
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9daqPRUWpMc
this whole discussion is a horrible case of americancentrisim. because americans do it it
a) must be correct ... in fact ... (dont they? no most of the rest of the world does not fluoridate, and most of china, india, africa and parts of south america are actively removing it) ... although hey im a dumb, obese, diabetic and demented american with cancer .. so it must be good for my kids. they seem fine too, theyre only adhd, asthmatic and suffering from circadian disruption/ and wont/dont sleep until 3am... but they want to really.. theyre having fun making themselves sick
b) must be universal, everyone does it
c) hey i do it and im FINE(tm)
this post is actually informative. and its only at 1 interesting so far... i guess the shills control /. .... or perhaps it is just all the americans who trust authorities so much they will happily ignore all the chronic illnesses theyre developing to save their oh so benevolent masters a couple of billion in environmental clean up costs.
fluorine waste is prohibited from being dumped in the ocean by international law. but its legal to put in the water supply.
heck forget about the fluoride, the toxic waste theyre dumping contains heavy metals. not just arsenic either (which is only as toxic as fluoride anyway, and i'd choose a little arsenic over fluoride anyway)... but POLONIUM (and others)
that POLONIUM is soooo good for your teeth, it makes them glow (wink)
Interestingly the by the time you can smell hydrogen fluoride gas or far worse fluorine gas your life is in danger.
yes the rock in the article contained fluorine gas. and gasses like hydrogen fluoride are deadly in mines, or from volcanoes.
its also known that the most dangerous of these gasses have no odor, which certainly compounds the risk of it killing you because you dont have a warning.
most of us are familiar with the smell of chlorine and i imagine that F smells similar but am not really that curious.
now the striking thing is that the level of free chlorine in drinking water is typically around 0.25ppm, much less than the 1ppm of Fluoride being forced upon everyone.
most people can smell the chlorine from tap water, and if you have trouble i suggest bringing it close to boil very briefly as it volatilizes the chemical and makes its taste more apparent.
(although chloramines which are now the norm have less of an odor)
yet the amount of Fluoride ion added to the water is higher than the amount of chlorine!!!! and almost nobody would be aware of this, after all it is virtually tasteless and odorless at 1ppm. if sure it is magnificent for public hygiene and likely kills water borne pathogens better than anything, with no risk of them developing resistance.
fluoride the antiseptic youre forced to drink! oh thats right, is for our teeth! whos teeth? oh you know children.. babies,... thats why the ADA now warns mothers to use FLUORIDE FREE water to prepare baby formula because of the risk, no not just of damaged enamel but of much more serious diseases things they dont really want to discuss. but they will sell you a lifetime of expensive treatments once you grow up. and they technically did the right thing by warning you not to give it to your baby.
http://www.naturalnews.com/021072.html
http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluoride/facts/fluoridation_facts.pdf
http://www.ada.org/4052.aspx
http://www.ada.org.au/babiesandinfants.aspx
go to the pharmacy and ask, is there a drug that you can give to anyone without worrying about the dose or their history or age or any illnesses?
www.solarnavigator.net/volcanoes.htm
http://www.whale.to/d/smith_b.html
http://fluoride-class-action.com/category/documents
then you really owe it to yourself to become more informed.
the fluorine ions in water or your stomach or blood plasma are identically as reactive as "elemental fluorine" which is monoatomic as a gas.
the difference is only the ionisation state. simply being dilute has zilch to do with the reactivity. a F- ion in your blood plasma will bond with just about anything, until there is a more thermodynamically favourable niche. mostly in your bones and joints, but almost anything it touches it damages, semipermanently, requiring an energy and resource expensive and unnecessary catabolism and anabolism, at best.
imagine taking an incredibly sophisticated machine (your body) with nanometer scale machinery consisting of interlocking intricate bending and dynamically reshaping enzymes... and pouring a bunch of diamond grit into the works. fluorine forms harder bonds so when an enzyme attempts to act on a molecule with a substituted F it often breaks the enzyme rather than the molecule.
your teeth will turn BLACK if you have water over 4mg/L. but that will be the least of your worries, as you'll also prematurely age, and most likely be bed ridden with painful bone deformities spurs and calcification (really fluorification, as it is the F- ion that substitutes for hydroxyl in calcium hydroxyapatite in the bone). thats just the start, there are an extremely long list of nasty things that Fluorine ions do to your body in sufficient concentration.
when you intake more than you can excrete its only a matter of time. even bioaccumulation of 1mg/day is going to be 3.6 grams in 10years and in 40years you'll have a greatly increased risk of arthritis, cardiovascular disease (why do you think arteries harden, hint F and Ca in the blood form insoluble CaF_2 ).
it form hydrofluoric acid in the stomach and this corrodes the gut. it damages the immune system and is the number one cause of asthma, because it makes neutrophiles hyperresponsive. it damages RNA production which will decrease your bodies ability to repair itself. it depletes glutathione which is the most important antioxidant in the body and brain. it damages the kidneys. it concentrates in mitochondria and impairs their function. it also accumulates in lysosomes which is an important part of how it damages the thyroid, as the disassembly of ThyroGlobulin replete with conjugated iodo substituted tyrosine groups needs to be proteolytically digested in a lysosome to yield the T4 and also some T3.
it also substitutes on phenyl rings and then they inhibit Deiodinase enzymes (such as type II predominantly in the liver, which is how most T3 is made) and also the other types decreasing the ability to either increase arousal (by turning T4 into T3) or to decrease and wind down (by turning T3 or rT3 into T2).
it inhibits cholinesterase making it harder to relax. it changes the ratio of nucleotides, inhibiting Thymidine Synthase decreasing dTMP and impairing DNA repair and synthesis, but increasing ATP.
it inhibits countless other enzymes and systems in the body, including two of the most important enzymes for the brain, tryptophan hydroxylase and tyrosine hydroxylase.
the least you can do as a sentient male is to investigate
look for the post that discusses Dr Phyllis Mullenix
search for a copy of the book the "aging factor" by Dr Yiamouyiannis
read the affidavit by Dr Albert schatz affidavit inventor of streptomycin and one of the scientists who overlooked the chilean introduction of water fluoridation.
read what Dr John Colquhoun who was Principal Dental Officer for Auckland, New Zealand, realised.
read this www.nteu280.org/Issues/Fluoride/NTEU280-Fluoride.htm
notice that the Union of scientists at the EPA tried to challenge their own political masters. When they couldnt take it far enough they filled a grevience at the level of their own union and secured a supply of UNFLUORIDATED BOTTLED WATER FOR ALL EMPLOYEES. So they drink unfluoridated bottled water in their own offices.
find a MSDS on fluorosilicic acid and hydrogen fluoride.
Notice how many issues on an MSDS (like carcinogenicity and teratogenicity) are apparently NO DATA. they definately try to "technically tell the truth" to cover their arses. dont look and dont see.
its like the government denying that fire can burn, because theyre worried about the legal costs and impact on society.
if they admitted they knew anything about these attributes of such an important compound it would have to have a ZERO maximum contaminant level (used for catylitic cracking for oil refining).
how economically viable would electric cars be if the externalities of HF cracking and the subsequent disease in the population exposed to the exhaust become accounted for? its more toxic than lead and that was removed from petrol. what about using a different process to crack the hydrocarbons. sulphuric acid is less efficient but far safer, and it should be mandated to return to using it process.
that is all that it is about. keeping the maximum contaminant level above zero and preferably a couple of mg/L to allow them to get rid of it.
look and find out WHO said "THE SOLUTION TO POLUTION IS DILLUTION" and how recently/when they said it and what the context was!
find a list of the top 10 american corporations that use hydrogen fluoride or that sell hydroflusilicicacid.
Hydrogenfluoride which forms in the stomach when you ingest fluorides is an highly bioavailable, and is bioaccumulative and concentrates in regions of the body.
See because Hydrofluoric acid is a "weak acid" meaning it doesnt fully dissociate it will pass through cell walls in this undissociated state. then at a much higher pH like the lysosome it will more (relatively speaking cause thats what pH is, a ratio of concentrations of H+ ions) dissociate and then the charged ion F- will not pass back out of the lysosome, this leads to a concentration gradient. It also tends to accumulate in other regions of cells. In plants it is shown to accumulate in chloroplasts. In mitochondria, with less efficient DNA repair mechanisms, the concentration is particularly harmful.
I doesnt just accumulate in calcium rich tissues but also accumulates due to pH gradients, eg the alkalinity of the cytoplasm followed the acidity of the lysosome.
yes it is highly abundant in the earths crust and its something that life has had to defend virtually for all time, but we should not be adding this toxic wet scrubber waste to our drinking water. It is ILLEGAL TO DUMP AT SEA.
why is it so low in breast milk, despite the intake of the mother? (to protect the infant!) why do salmon swim up stream! (to increase the health of their offpring, because the spawn are the most vulnerable. now that 1ppm is considered "drinking water" not "deadly toxic waste" companies are allowed to dump (at a calculated rate) their waste directly into rivers. read about the canadian salmon that are going extinct because of this practise. even levels around 0.3ppm cause significant incidence of birth defects and reduction in lifespan of the reduced number that do survive spawning. in otherwords it is teratogenic. even at