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Security Camp Is Not Space Camp, Just Based On It (Video)

The idea behind the United States Space Camp is to give kids (and some adults) a chance to do astronaut training-type things that will get them jazzed on science and technology, in addition to getting away from home for a while. Security Camp is sort of like that that, says instigator Marc Tobias, but is about security stuff rather than space, and somehow interviewer Timothy Lord didn't ask Tobias about plans to teach security, computer or otherwise, for space travelers, when he talked with Tobias at HOPE (Hackers on Planet Earth) in New York. Since Tobias is an expert in physical security (locks), and locksmithing is going to be taught at Security Camp along with electronic/hacking-type security skills, it's a good thing all participants will be checked for criminal records and tendencies before they're allowed to participate. If there are plans to make a movie about Security Camp, which Tobias didn't mention one way or the other during this interview, we hope it's better than the 1986 movie, Space Camp.

38 comments

  1. I loved Camp Counselor Joshua the best! by crazyjj · · Score: 1

    He taught us how to play Global Thermonuclear War...and chess!!

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    1. Re:I loved Camp Counselor Joshua the best! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Counselor Joshua] taught us how to play Global Thermonuclear War...and chess!!

      Counselor Lamo taught us how to weave a net of lies to catch whistle-blowers. But the best was Costumes & Stagecraft with Counselor Mitnick.

  2. Next up: Ninja Camp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first test is finding it.

    1. Re:Next up: Ninja Camp by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Pirate Camp is easier to join. You just need to bring illegally obtained booty with you to get in.

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    2. Re:Next up: Ninja Camp by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      The first test is finding it.

      So it's sponsored by the NSA.

    3. Re:Next up: Ninja Camp by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Pirate Camp is easier to join. You just need to bring illegally obtained booty with you to get in.

      I thought it cost a leg and a hand to get into Pirate Camp.

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    4. Re:Next up: Ninja Camp by Talderas · · Score: 2

      That's to get into pirate captain camp.

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    5. Re:Next up: Ninja Camp by gnick · · Score: 1

      The Ninja Security Agency?

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    6. Re:Next up: Ninja Camp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, just one drunken night in the wrong location.

    7. Re:Next up: Ninja Camp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with Pirate Camp is that it is you can only get off it by riding on sea turtles.

    8. Re:Next up: Ninja Camp by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      I found the camp, but there was nobody else there!

  3. Timothy Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every time I see it in a summary, I excitedly read it as "Time Lord". Then I just get depressed that its not. He needs to procreate, naming a son Time. Now that would be news for nerds.

    1. Re:Timothy Lord... by Tommy+Bologna · · Score: 1

      Imagine how disappointed I was when I read it as "Tracy Lords" and then realized my mistake.

    2. Re:Timothy Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never heard of her. What kind of a tardis does she have?

    3. Re:Timothy Lord... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 2

      None. She doesn't need a second box that's bigger on the inside than the outside.

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    4. Re:Timothy Lord... by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Well what's his middle name?
      Edwin?
      That means he's officially Tim E Lord

  4. I don't think it'll have the same impact. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parent: Hey son/daughter, want to go to space camp?
    Typical Recation: YAY!
    Parent: Hey son/daughter, want to go to security camp?
    Typical Recation: ...?

    1. Re:I don't think it'll have the same impact. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      I think the proper response would be to check the signature of the request.

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    2. Re:I don't think it'll have the same impact. by gnick · · Score: 1

      Typical Recation: ...?

      Is that like a vacation that you take twice?

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  5. yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Space camp for fascists!

    GOP's dream.

    1. Re:yeah! by vlm · · Score: 2

      Space camp for fascists!

      Unfortunately in the real world we already live in "security camp for fascists"... treated like children, herded from one authoritarian safety conscious activity to another by upperclassmen. If I had to spend the rest of my time stuck in a camp, I would much rather prefer space camp.

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  6. Instigator? by ripler · · Score: 1

    "instigator Mark Tobias"

    Why would you send your children to someone like this? Does he razz them for a week or two, just to see if he can start something?

  7. Re:Timothy needs to go to editor camp! by Jeng · · Score: 0

    I think our best bet is to convince him he is actually good at this and he needs to start his own blog.

    If he thinks he is crap he'll never apply to a different job.

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  8. Stanford prison experiment by vlm · · Score: 3, Informative

    locksmithing is going to be taught at Security Camp along with electronic/hacking-type security skills

    How utterly uninspiring. I assumed by the title it was going to be like LARP or reality TV show or re-enactment of the Stanford prison experiment and got all excited, then the letdown. Well, it probably is a more productive way to spend your summer than reading /. and playing WoW and CoD all day. Probably.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

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    1. Re:Stanford prison experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since Tobias is an expert in physical security (locks),

      That is indeed quite a focused subject for a security camp. How about mixing pleasure with business and half-certify those poor kids into a security guard duties as well? Security assessments skills, tactics and the related laws could be a kid-compatible subjects, with training for the use of force and driving (the fun for the kids parts) redacted or virtualized with games. Fire, flood and food safety are always important subjects. Network security, starting with securing their posh home entertainment networks and ending with a red vs. blue intrusion game, would be fun for some.

  9. Re:Timothy needs to go to editor camp! by vlm · · Score: 1

    It's the only way he'll stop posting so much crap!

    Behave yourselves at /. camp or we're all going to get stuck having to sing the open source song around the campfire before lights out, or we'll have to go snipe hunting on the eco course, or even worse they'll start posting raspberry pi and ardweeeeeno stories again.

    The concept of /. camp is much more appealing than /. BI, or /. jobs, or /. dating personals, or that other stuff. Its actually kind of fun to think about what /. camp would be like. Probably a hell of a lot like HOPE, which I haven't been to in years, but ... wierder, if thats somehow possible. Like there would be a door labeled "free raspberry pi giveaway party inside" and you'd open it and instead of a party there would be a poster size goatse and then we'd all laugh at the people who fall for it and open the door. And everyone would fight to be first in line. And just like the 60s TV classic, we'd all be known as our numbers and the lower numbers would be more important.

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  10. misguided screening attempt by slew · · Score: 1

    ...it's a good thing all participants will be checked for criminal records and tendencies before they're allowed to participate.

    Although I suppose you could check for some criminal records (although most juvenile records will be sealed, so that doesn't seem to be too easy), I have no idea how to check for tendencies, But even if you could, I've always thought that there's a fine line between a tendency to want to be a criminal, and to want to be in law enforcement similar to the fine line between a black-hat and a white-hat. Also...

    If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. --SunTzu

    I think this is especially true in the security arena. Many security consultants (computer and otherwize), have dabbled on the other side and often those are the ones that know the threats the best...

  11. Space Camp the Movie was AWESOME. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Max and Jinx. friends. FOREVVVVV

  12. I'd rather do Space Camp (again) by cmdr_klarg · · Score: 1

    I attended Space Camp back in 1983 (almost 30 years ago? damn...), was by far one of the most interesting and fun things I've done. I'd love to go again with my son, but don't think he'd have the same interest as I did (he's more jock than nerd). He's almost the same age I was back then too.

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  13. jealous... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm 28, can I go?

  14. Or you could just go to ToorCamp by 4mn0t1337 · · Score: 2

    So, it isn't a kids's camp per se (although should be family friendly), but ToorCamp has been around for several years. In fact, the first one was keynoted by Emmanuel Goldstein, who runs HOPE where Tobais was interviewed. The camp is attended by InfoSec/Hacker types, so the emphasis is on security, including the physical security that Tobias is fond of. I'm going at it looks like it will be awesome.

    It's happening in a few weeks in Washington state, so if you are in the Pacific Northwest, you should go!

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  15. Official Website? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the official website? Where can we learn more?

  16. Hmm by lightknight · · Score: 1

    Killing their dreams softly...

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  17. lolwut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    stupid is as stupid does.