Cambodia To Extradite Gottfrid Svartholm

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Cambodia To Extradite Gottfrid Svartholm

Posted by timothy on Tuesday September 4, 2012 @02:55AM from the it's-because-of-my-name-isn't-it? dept.

judgecorp writes "The Cambodian authorities have said they will extradite Gottfrid Svartholm who is wanted in Sweden for his part in founding file sharing site The Pirate Bay. As there is no extradition treaty between Sweden and Cambodia, Svartholm is being extradited under immigration law, so it is not yet clear whether he will actually be sent to Sweden."

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OH, NOT EXECUTE ?? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:00 · Score: 0

Too bad !!
1. Re:OH, NOT EXECUTE ?? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:24 · Score: 0
  
  Unless he wears glasses
Extradition Laws by Quick+Reply · 2012-09-04 03:04 · Score: 5, Informative

I think that it is quite clear by now that the laws don't really matter in cases like this. The MAFIAA will get him one way or another.
1. Re:Extradition Laws by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:09 · Score: 0
  
  Seriously though, Scandanvian "jails" are pretty sweet, all things considered. look it up. I'm pretty sure I'd rather be a "prisoner" in Sweden than an average joe in Cambodia.
2. Re:Extradition Laws by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:23 · Score: 0
  
  [citation needed]
3. Re:Extradition Laws by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:27 · Score: 0
  
  Look it up.
4. Re:Extradition Laws by tnk1 · 2012-09-04 03:31 · Score: 0, Flamebait
  
  That would make sense if Gottfrid Svartholm was wanted for arrest in the US, but he's not. There's no outstanding warrants or indictments for him.
  You've been listening to Julian Assange a little too much. Another person who thinks he'll immediately be extradited to the US from Sweden for a crime that no one has indicted him for here. At least in his case, people in the US actually know who Assange is and want him prosecuted, but no one knows who Gottfrid is. Either way, neither of them are at any imminent risk of being turned over to the US.
5. Re:Extradition Laws by K.+S.+Kyosuke · 2012-09-04 03:36 · Score: 1
  
  That would make sense if Gottfrid Svartholm was wanted for arrest in the US, but he's not. There's no outstanding warrants or indictments for him.
  Of course, they don't want to scare him off. They will promptly post them once he sets his foot on Swedish soil.
  
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6. Re:Extradition Laws by Dunbal · 2012-09-04 03:41 · Score: 1
  
  A gilded cage is still a cage.
  
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7. Re:Extradition Laws by Kryptonian+Jor-El · 2012-09-04 03:43 · Score: 1
  
  Isn't an international airport considered international land, and thus no jurisdiction has full authority over it? Kinda like the situation in that bad movie 'The Terminal'?
  
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8. Re:Extradition Laws by tnk1 · 2012-09-04 03:46 · Score: 1
  
  As far as I know, he hasn't broken any criminal laws in the US, although I'm certain he'd be sued within an inch of his life if he was a US national.
  Copyright infringement is not a criminal charge in the US, and no one is going to extradite him for a civil suit. Civil suits are private matters, not ones where you will involve extradition.
9. Re:Extradition Laws by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:47 · Score: 1
  
  No, that is a myth. I dare you to commit a crime while transiting through an international terminal and see what happens.
10. Re:Extradition Laws by Tastecicles · 2012-09-04 03:48 · Score: 1
  
  nope. The soil on which an international airport sits, hence any aircraft sitting on the tarmac, is under the full legal jurisdiction of the country to which that soil is attached.
  
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11. Re:Extradition Laws by JosKarith · 2012-09-04 03:53 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Tell that to Kim DotCom.
  
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12. Re:Extradition Laws by K.+S.+Kyosuke · 2012-09-04 03:58 · Score: 2
  
  Tell that to Richard O'Dwyer.
  
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13. Re:Extradition Laws by tnk1 · 2012-09-04 04:00 · Score: 1
  
  I stand corrected. He's fucked.
  Actually, I doubt the US will get involved, but reviewing the other examples indicates it's at least possible.
14. Re:Extradition Laws by phantomfive · 2012-09-04 04:01 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  Of course, they don't want to scare him off. They will promptly post them once he sets his foot on Swedish soil.
  I seriously hope that when this doesn't happen you will wake up and realize you are completely out of touch with reality. Do you realize you just completely made that up based on purse speculation? Why would you think he'd be extradited to the US, if none of the other pirate bay people were?
  
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15. Re:Extradition Laws by Uberbah · 2012-09-04 04:31 · Score: 1
  
  for a crime that no one has indicted him for here
  The indictment is sealed.
  
  Either way, neither of them are at any imminent risk of being turned over to the US.
  Assange has stated that he will voluntarily return to Sweden if they promise not to hand him over the U.S. Rather than making such an easy promise, TPTB have put Assange's attorney on a terror watch list instead.
16. Re:Extradition Laws by Hatta · 2012-09-04 04:32 · Score: 1
  
  Cambodia has whores, do they have those in Swedish prison?
  
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17. Re:Extradition Laws by ks9208661 · 2012-09-04 04:37 · Score: 1
  
  The story of Van Tuong Nguyen is a counterexample.
18. Re:Extradition Laws by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 04:51 · Score: 0
  
  It's not an easy promise at all. In fact, it's a very, very difficult one. It would require changing the constitution to remove all the stuff about the independence of the judiciary. Moron.
19. Re:Extradition Laws by Rei · 2012-09-04 04:56 · Score: 1
  
  Sorry, but a bunch of random people saying something on the internet does not a fact make.
  Are you referring to the one case eleven years ago where two refugees incorrectly identified as terrorists were kicked out of the country, and using that to say "There you go, see, the whole system is horrible"? The (peer-reviewed) World Justice Project ranks Sweden the best on the planet in terms of fundamental rights. Sweden's lowest ranking is a mere #7, and that's for letting people off the hook too easily.
  
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20. Re:Extradition Laws by Rei · 2012-09-04 05:09 · Score: 1
  
  That Indian Express story is recycling of an old story. Saw that same thing a long time ago when it actually happened. Not sure why it suddenly sprung to life again.
  Even the leaked conversation of the Aussies, who Assange's followers generally cite as evidence that there was a grand jury, don't believe the indictment claim is what you're making it out to be.
  
  "Commentators have ... suggested that the source may have been referring to a draft indictment used by prosecutors to 'game out' possible charges," the embassy reported in February. "There is no way to confirm the veracity of the information through official sources."
  The last real movement on this possible indictment was 2010. *Before* the whole rape thing started.
  It gets less and less likely with everything that he will ever be indicted. The simplest way for the US would have been to wait for Assange - famous for jetsetting all over the world - to head to a non-European country which would extradite, thus avoiding EU restrictions on extradition about the death penalty or abuse. Next would have been to get him in a European country with a less restrictive extradition treaty than Sweden (like the UK), without any other complicating charges. The next best would have been to get him in Sweden before the complicating charges, which give rise to questions of prosecutorial priority. The next best would have been to get him after the charges had been announced but before Assange fled to the UK, involving a second nation's court system in the process and complicating any potential extradition further. Next best would have been before the UK court system had ruled completely in favor of re-extradition, putting a new order to send him that the US would have to find a way to get priority over. The absolute worst would be to have Assange back in Swedish custody, with an EAW, an Interpol warrant, and a Swedish arrest warrant, with any appeal from Assange having to be approved by the Swedish judiciary, the Swedish government, the UK judiciary, the UK government, the ECHR, and having guarantees of no abuse or death penalty and that the extradition is not for military or intelligence matters.
  
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21. Re:Extradition Laws by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 05:10 · Score: 0
  
  Not extradited. Yet. I'm sure he'll be dipped in fuck if he's gonna actually put that to the test to see what happens.
22. Re:Extradition Laws by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 06:16 · Score: 0
  
  This sounds like some new fangled drug lingo... might explain some of the posts in this thread.
23. Re:Extradition Laws by Darinbob · 2012-09-04 06:57 · Score: 1
  
  This guy is wanted by Swedish law, is not wanted by the US. This trope of Sweden being the next repressive police state is absurd.
24. Re:Extradition Laws by slick7 · 2012-09-04 10:03 · Score: 1
  
  I think ... the laws don't really matter in cases like this.
  Two words, Pol Pot
  
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25. Re:Extradition Laws by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 19:03 · Score: 0
  
  Are you referring to the one case eleven years ago where two refugees incorrectly identified as terrorists were kicked out of the country
  If you by "kicked out of the country" mean "placed on a U.S. plane and sent to Egypt where they got tortured" then I'm pretty sure that the listed ranking doesn't apply since it was done outside of the Swedish legal system.
  I guess you missed all those headlines when it was shown that the Pirate Bay raid was made per request from the white house and where it turned out that the police were paid by Warner Brothers and... well let's just say that whatever Mr. Svartholm was doing was probably a lot more legal than anything the police and government was doing back then.
  I can sort of understand that you forgot about those things since it happened six years ago.
26. Re:Extradition Laws by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 19:10 · Score: 0
  
  This guy is wanted by Swedish law, is not wanted by the US. This trope of Sweden being the next repressive police state is absurd.
  The Pirate Bay raid was done per request from the White House.
  Sweden had no particular interest in taking the Pirate Bay down before that request since the Swedish prosecutor had concluded that the Pirate Bay probably didn't break Swedish law.
27. Re:Extradition Laws by Rei · 2012-09-04 20:46 · Score: 1
  
  If you by "kicked out of the country" mean "placed on a U.S. plane and sent to Egypt where they got tortured" then I'm pretty sure that the listed ranking doesn't apply since it was done outside of the Swedish legal system.
  Oh, give me a break - do you think that the highest profile fugitive on the planet is just going to extrajudicially "disappear"? BTW, do you know what organization it was that revealed that Sweden terminated all refusal to work with the US any more on such programs after that incident?
  Wikileaks.
  Assange himself had routinely hailed the Swedish justice before he had to face accusations of rape. He referred to Sweden as "their shield" because of their strong laws protecting privacy and a strong independent judiciary. But suddenly, once someone accuses him of rape, all of the sudden Sweden is some nation of kangaroo courts. Amazing how that happens.
  Ref to your other claims?
  
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28. Re:Extradition Laws by tehcyder · 2012-09-04 22:44 · Score: 1
  
  Cambodia has whores, do they have those in Swedish prison?
  Didn't they make prostitution illegal in Sweden?
  
  If so, then yes, their prisons will be full of whores.
  
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29. Re:Extradition Laws by xenobyte · 2012-09-05 00:10 · Score: 1
  
  The (peer-reviewed) World Justice Project ranks Sweden the best on the planet in terms of fundamental rights.
  So, why is Julian Assange so scared of being extradited to Sweden?
  Could it be related to the fact that the US obviously have a lot to say in what happens legally in Sweden?
  After all, the infamous raid on The Pirate Bay happend just a few days after the Swedish attorney general returned from a 14 day luxury vacation in the USA paid for by the MAFIAA and the US Department of Justice. It was executed based on a warrant signed by the attorney general (who also happens to be a judge) thus breaking the basic separation of powers and thus being highly illegal. It also failed to list the laws violated as basis for it (because TPB wasn't breaking any laws at that time), and the raid itself also far exceeded the mandate set by the warrant because it only covered servers belonging to TPB and hundreds of unrelated servers were also seized, despite everything being clearly labeled.
  The government has changed in Sweden since the raid, but the new government (from the opposite political side) have strangely failed to follow up and start legal proceedings to investigate the obvious issues with the raid, despite demanding this while they were in opposition. Something is clearly rotten in the state of Sweden!
  
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30. Re:Extradition Laws by helix2301 · 2012-09-05 06:28 · Score: 1
  
  Gottfrid should have returned to Sweden to begin serving his sentence January 2nd this year, but again he failed to appear. All were sentenced to one year in prison and ordered to pay $3.6 million to entertainment companies. The Pirate Bay doesn't actually host any copyright-protected material itself. Instead, it provides a forum for users to download content through so-called torrent files. The technology allows users to transfer parts of a large file from several different users, increasing download speeds.
  
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31. Re:Extradition Laws by Uberbah · 2012-09-10 05:39 · Score: 1
  
  To bad that's another well-debunked lie.
  Moron.
32. Re:Extradition Laws by Uberbah · 2012-09-10 07:31 · Score: 1
  
  That Indian Express story is recycling of an old story. Saw that same thing a long time ago when it actually happened. Not sure why it suddenly sprung to life again.
  Not sure if you're engaging in situational reasoning. So if Assange waits it out for a couple years in the embassy, will you be demanding that he be left alone because the prosecutor's allegations are "old news"?
  
  Even the leaked conversation of the Aussies, who Assange's followers generally cite as evidence that there was a grand jury, don't believe the indictment claim is what you're making it out to be.
  Either your English isn't very good, as you claim, or you're not being honest as your own link confirms that the U.S. wants to prosecute Assange for his activities with Wikileaks.
  
  The simplest way for the US would
  It's simply time to stop pretending that the glaring flaws with this "case" do not exist. Accusers working for CIA fronts and leaving Sweden. Assange asking for and being granted permission to leave the first time this came to a prosecutor. Karl Rove working with the Swedish government. The irregularities with the prosecution. Assange making multiple offers to answer questions online or in person if Swedish prosecutors interviewed him in the U.K.
  But most of all, why are you even bothering to rationalize this anymore when Assange offered to return to Sweden in return for a promise that he would not be extradited to the U.S. An offer made over three months ago.
No way! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:07 · Score: 0

this can't happen. I just loved him in "Problem Child" and still remember him from "USA, Up All Night"
It's tough, kid, but it's life by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:12 · Score: 0, Funny

Don't forget to pack a wife.
1. Re:It's tough, kid, but it's life by LizardKing · 2012-09-04 04:09 · Score: 1
  
  Play ethnicky jazz
  To parade your snazz
  That you download from the Pirate Bay
  Braggin' that you know
  How to skip out on a charge
  Where the Swedish law's got no say
2. Re:It's tough, kid, but it's life by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 07:21 · Score: 0
  
  It's time to taste what you most fear
  Right Guard will not help you here
  Brace yourself my dear
  Brace yourself my dear
Deport NOT Extradite by OzPeter · 2012-09-04 03:13 · Score: 5, Informative

Deport and Extradite are not the same thing.
Deport - Kick out of the country and we don't care where you go
Extradite - Hand over to the authorities of another country which which you have an extradition treaty.

TFA says Deport .. TFS says Extradite. Sheesh .. I'd be embarrassed if I was paying for access to this site.

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1. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:17 · Score: 1
  
  TFA says:
  “We just know we will deport him. As to which country, that would be up to the Swedish side,” the spokesperson said.
  Why would it be up to Sweden?
2. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:21 · Score: 0
  
  I don't know but I have a feeling they may decide to deport him to the states so he can have the same treatment as Manning.
  Manning, Assange, Svartholm, all heros that should be set free.
3. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by DNS-and-BIND · 2012-09-04 03:22 · Score: 1
  
  They will deport him to another country where he will be extradited. Easy-peasy.
  I must say, I'm rather disappointed by the lack of civil disobedience in these sorts of cases recently. The perps flee jurisdictions to save their own skins, rather than show how corrupt the system is by being unjustly imprisoned. What would Dr. King say? Nelson Mandela didn't flee to Angola to escape an unfair judicial system. A fleeing perp is just another lousy criminal, a martyr is a hero forever.
  
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4. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by Anne_Nonymous · 2012-09-04 03:22 · Score: 2
  
  >> Why would it be up to Sweden?
  Cambodia fears a replay of the Great Meatball Embargo of 1817.
5. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:23 · Score: 0
  
  read the fucking article, Timothy.
6. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by aliquis · 2012-09-04 03:27 · Score: 1
  
  Maybe because they will ask us?
  Nice of them.
  Personally I don't think Anakata is responsible for millions of other peoples copyright violation or should be punished for it. He's not the one commiting the crime (well, I guess helping make it happen is the reason they use but in my ideology/thoughts/reasoning rather than the law.)
  Imho the reason the TPB guys are targetted is that they are few and it's much easier to get acceptance for catching them rather than various people themselves (such as the one million or so Swedes who have likely used TPB in breach of copyright laws.)
  I don't think it's right that a few get punished for the act of others.
  But imho we've had shitty justice ministers.
7. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by MickyTheIdiot · 2012-09-04 03:28 · Score: 1
  
  Dr. King would be in the Supermax right now.
8. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:35 · Score: 0
  
  Deport and Extradite are not the same thing.
  Deport - Kick out of the country and we don't care where you go
  Extradite - Hand over to the authorities of another country which which you have an extradition treaty.
  TFA says Deport .. TFS says Extradite. Sheesh .. I'd be embarrassed if I was paying for access to this site.
  I think the confusion over which term applies is warranted. After all, Cambodia might not care what happens to him (they already got their bribe), but American and Swedish forces have probably already surrounded the entire Cambodian border (land and water) to make sure he ends up in a Gitmo-style prison
9. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by tnk1 · 2012-09-04 03:37 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Probably because the Swedes made the request.
  Extradition treaty or not, if the Swedes request him, and there is no bar to complying, the Cambodians can very simply comply with the Swedes' request. If he had not broken immigration law, there would probably be some protections for him, but not necessarily. In this case, the Cambodians want to deport him and the Swedes have asked for his return. There is really no reason for them to not accede to that request.
  The interesting thing with a deportation is the deporting country will generally want to place the deportee in a place where they will be able to be taken care of, usually their home country. Sweden is probably very willing to put him up, all expenses paid, in a nice jail cell. Win-win for everyone. Except for Gottfrid Svartholm, of course.
10. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by fredprado · 2012-09-04 03:40 · Score: 1
  
  If you think we need martyrs, by all means, be one yourself. Do not ask other people to be one for you.
  
  Civil disobedience does not imply in surrendering yourself, it means fighting the system. The act of not complying with government decisions as criminal sentences or arrest warrants is civil disobedience in itself.
11. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by hairyfeet · 2012-09-04 04:59 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Dr King wouldn't "say" anything, he'd been in solitary if he was lucky, in Gitmo as a terrorist if not.
  
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12. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by Rei · 2012-09-04 05:11 · Score: 1
  
  To complicate it further, what's going on with Assange is yet another term altogether, "surrender" - surrendering (under an EAW) being neither deportation nor extradition, but more like what goes on between states in the US with handing a prisoner between jurisdictions.
  
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13. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by tsotha · 2012-09-04 08:04 · Score: 1
  
  While that's technically true, there's a difference between leaving a country and being deported. When you leave it's your choice where you go next. When you're deported the government typically decides where you go - almost always to the country on your passport. In this case it would be very unusual for him to end up in any country other than Sweden. Even if it's not technically extradition, you'll be hard pressed to find a practical difference.
14. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by Rakarra · 2012-09-04 09:12 · Score: 1
  
  Manning released content he wasn't authorized to. It wasn't his role/place to do what he did and he did so knowingly. He deserves the book be thrown at him simply because when you agree to the dictates of an oath, you are bound by them. He shouldn't have entered the military if he wasn't going to live up to its requirements upon him.
  So you say there is no role out there for whistleblowers? That only outsiders can attempt to uncover because insiders have some sort of loyalty oath?
15. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by cavreader · 2012-09-04 11:14 · Score: 1
  
  Manning broke more than an oath he broke very specific military laws which are a little different than civilian laws. The US is not going to bother with Assange because they do not have a case. Although they will probably remain vague and non-committal on the issue just to keep Assange nervous. The most he could ever be charged with is receiving stolen property and even that charge would be stretching things. The maelstrom has already subsided concerning the released data and the US is not going after Assange and risk putting the spotlight back on the information release. And the US doesn't need Sweden's assistance in grabbing Assange and if they wanted him they would already have him. All this BS about Assange being extradited to the US to face charges that include the death penalty ridiculous. Sweden, along with a lot of other countries cannot and do not extradite people to a 3rd party if the death penalty is even remotely possible.
16. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by DNS-and-BIND · 2012-09-04 12:31 · Score: 1
  
  Is that actually true, or is it just what you want to believe? "Gitmo" is for terrorists captured on the battlefield, although a certain sort of person will not be dissuaded from believing otherwise.
  
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17. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by fnj · 2012-09-04 12:31 · Score: 1
  
  Civil disobedience does not imply in surrendering yourself, it means fighting the system.
  Actually, what separates civil disobedience from general resistance against unjust laws is pretty much acceptance of the consequences. Do you think Rosa Parks tried to run away before the arrival of the police who were summoned? The bus driver stood in front of Ms. Parks and told her if she didn't stand up and move, he would "have to" call the police and have her arrested. She replied that she recognized that was his prerogative, and stood her ground.
  In Sophocles' play, Antigone decides that there is an imperative higher than human law and defies a cruel regime's prohibition against burying her slain brother. She is unafraid of the consequences, does not run away, and is herself slain.
  David Thoreau, Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. all were prominently involved in developing the doctrine of civil disobediance or civil resistance where the governmental structure is too resistant to morally imperative reform. They believed that running away was not the most productive strategy for societal good. The Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski, decided on a strategy of violent intervention and self preservation to further his aims, which he believed were similar.
18. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 12:33 · Score: 0
  
  For a given value of terrorist and battlefield.
19. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by hairyfeet · 2012-09-04 13:11 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  After the president stated (and wasn't stopped or even challenged) that the POTUS has the right to kill Americans without trial? I think all bets are off. We don't even know for certain WHO is being held at Gitmo and the rendition prisons, we know that people from countries we are supposedly allied with like Canada and the UK have been tortured and held without trial, and the simple fact that you have a government that not only admits it tortures but has members of it openly bragging about it means that frankly your rights don't mean jack shit anymore.
  I would urge you to watch this video from start to finish. Just a simple little lecture, the person giving it is not a rabble rouser but an accomplished journalist and self proclaimed "little Jewish girl" who is already feeling the chilling effects like watchlists being aimed at her. Her crime? Talking about constitutional rights and what we need to do to preserve our freedoms. When openly talking about the constitution can get you put on watchlists friend then i think we both agree the shit ain't what it seems and most of those 'rights" that many here talk about are just useless platitudes. Because if you ever get into a position where you actually need those rights the state has already implemented mechanisms where they can take them away.
  
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20. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by jrumney · 2012-09-04 13:52 · Score: 1
  
  Sweden has to agree to take him. You can't deport someone to a country that isn't willing to take the person you are deporting (though if he is a Swedish citizen, I don't think Sweden has any grounds for refusal, so this is probably just a formality).
21. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 16:53 · Score: 0
  
  You can't deport someone to a country that isn't willing to take the person you are deporting
  if Mexico doesn't want its people back, we can just shoot them
22. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 19:14 · Score: 0
  
  Manning released content he wasn't authorized to.
  It can be argued that he was. The content that he released should not have been classified to begin with since it showed that the military violated U.S. law. In fact it might have been illegal to classify it in the first place.
  Manning realized that his responsibility was towards the U.S. people and taxpayers and not towards a few dirtbags in the military hierarchy that should have been put to trial a long time ago.
23. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by tehcyder · 2012-09-04 22:49 · Score: 1
  
  TFA says:
  “We just know we will deport him. As to which country, that would be up to the Swedish side,” the spokesperson said.
  Why would it be up to Sweden?
  If you deport someone, you have to decide where you're deporting them to. You don't just take them to your nearest sea border and drop them in the ocean.
  
  Normally you deport people to their country of origin, unless they are in danger of torture/death. I don't see any reason for Cambodia not to deport him to Seden.
  
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24. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by tehcyder · 2012-09-04 22:54 · Score: 1
  
  Manning released content he wasn't authorized to. It wasn't his role/place to do what he did and he did so knowingly. He deserves the book be thrown at him simply because when you agree to the dictates of an oath, you are bound by them. He shouldn't have entered the military if he wasn't going to live up to its requirements upon him.
  Utter bullshit. Military or other oaths do not trump morality and humanity. Otherwise the Nuremberg trials and the War Crimes tribunal in the Hague would be pointless and illegal.
  
  You do not and can not abdicate your responsibility to act as a decent human being by saying a few words or signing a piece of paper.
  
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25. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by tehcyder · 2012-09-04 23:21 · Score: 1
  
  Manning realized that his responsibility was towards the U.S. people and taxpayers and not towards a few dirtbags in the military hierarchy that should have been put to trial a long time ago.
  The main dirtbag being your C-in-C.
  
  He and Blair should be serving 100 year prison sentences for war crimes by now (I don't believe in the death penalty).
  
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26. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by tehcyder · 2012-09-04 23:27 · Score: 1
  
  Are you still on your summer holidays or are you bunking off school to masturbate to the Turner Diaries?
  
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27. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by tehcyder · 2012-09-04 23:41 · Score: 1
  
  Is that actually true, or is it just what you want to believe? "Gitmo" is for terrorists captured on the battlefield, although a certain sort of person will not be dissuaded from believing otherwise.
  Afghanistan only became a "battlefield" because the US invaded a sovereign country.
  
  If US troops invaded my country and started killing my neighbours, I would feel entitled to try to kill as many of them as possible. If that is your definition of a terrorist, then fuck you.
  
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28. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by fredprado · 2012-09-05 05:41 · Score: 1
  
  That may be your opinion, but it is based solely on your aesthetic sense not on any real logic. Civil disobedience is by definition just that: disobedience. It has nothing to do with any posture regarding the consequences. If running away would be counterproductive to the cause is highly debatable and dependable on the cause and several other factors, but regardless, the act itself to refuse to comply with unjust laws as you see them is civil disobedience in itself.
29. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by fnj · 2012-09-05 12:01 · Score: 1
  
  It's not a matter of opinion. It's common usage.
30. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by fredprado · 2012-09-05 14:02 · Score: 1
  
  Your overly narrow definition comes from Rawls and is just his vision of it, his opinion. There are several discordant opinions and you will see that the narrowness of his definition is pointed even in the texts you link if you bother to read them. Just to give you an example, what some Germans did, hiding Jews from the government, in WWII is civil disobedience by any meaningful definition of the term, and none of them delivered themselves (and the hidden people) for execution just to show their cause.
31. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by fnj · 2012-09-05 15:42 · Score: 1
  
  Utter nonsense. That's not civil disobedience. That's defying institutional tyranny and evil. That's intervention against mass murder.
32. Re:Deport NOT Extradite by fredprado · 2012-09-05 17:25 · Score: 1
  
  That was civilians disobeying the unfair (and in this case homicidal) laws approved by their democratically elected government (which by definition is not a Tyranny). If civilians disobeying laws is not civil disobedience for you, you have a problem. Seriously.
I like the suggested reads by aliquis · 2012-09-04 03:21 · Score: 1

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/08/12/220224/is-sexual-harassment-part-of-hacker-culture?sdsrc=popbyskid
"Is sexual harassment part of the hacker culture?"
Well.. Just take a look on the Facebook Wikileaks group and the posts after posts after posts regarding Assange and people who think he should get away from a rape investigation.
Funny.
1. Re:I like the suggested reads by MickyTheIdiot · 2012-09-04 03:27 · Score: 1
  
  If you are going to accuse someone of some sort of sexual deviance when the entire NSA and black ops establishment is pissed off at them there better be DAMN good proof. If not whoever makes the accusation should be held with the highest suspicion you can muster. If you think the US if puppeteering people everywhere you must be naive.
2. Re:I like the suggested reads by aliquis · 2012-09-04 03:34 · Score: 1
  
  It's just an investigation. He haven't been sentenced. (English isn't my native language but what I mean is that the court haven't decided and judged him for anything.)
  I don't know what all you wrote mean but I suppose the suspicion can be pretty low for and an investigation would still be ok. Why should they (the police) ignore an investigation? With total lack of evidence maybe it would be hard to get somewhere and hence one reason.
  People blend Swedish police wanting him for questioning in a rape case and possible extradition and whatever court cases and sentences in the US.
  Wanting to questioning him in a rape case and giving him a death sentence isn't really the same thing and the same case. The former isn't all that bad. But the words are pretty strong against it.
3. Re:I like the suggested reads by aliquis · 2012-09-04 03:36 · Score: 1
  
  And yeah sorry for possibly using the wrong words. I don't really know how it is and what words I should use. I think it's questioning? So maybe not investigation. The intent isn't to make it seem worse than it is or trash talk Assange.
4. Re:I like the suggested reads by Kryptonian+Jor-El · 2012-09-04 03:49 · Score: 1
  
  Assange isn't even wanted for sexual assault or any crime for that matter, he is wanted for questioning. He has time and time again said that he would submit to questioning via video chat, but the Swedish Government has said that is not acceptable
  
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5. Re:I like the suggested reads by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:56 · Score: 0
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_Authority
6. Re:I like the suggested reads by Goaway · 2012-09-04 03:58 · Score: 0
  
  He is wanted for questioning and arrest. You can not arrest him over video chat.
7. Re:I like the suggested reads by digitig · 2012-09-04 03:59 · Score: 0
  
  He is wanted for arrest in Sweden, and questioning whilst under arrest. Having a video chat with somebody is hardly a viable substitute for arresting them.
  
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8. Re:I like the suggested reads by tsotha · 2012-09-04 08:14 · Score: 1
  
  The concern is regardless of the outcome of the rape charges, extradition to Sweden will mean eventual extradition from Sweden to the US. If your goal was to get him to Sweden as the first step in getting him to the US, these charges are a great vehicle for the purpose - they're purely based on accusation with no associated physical evidence. Assuming the Swedes are willing to extradite him to the US, it doesn't matter if the rape case falls apart the minute he sets foot on Swedish soil. Eventually he'll be serving a long, long sentence in the US.
9. Re:I like the suggested reads by tehcyder · 2012-09-04 23:33 · Score: 1
  
  I'm fairly sure the "entire NSA and black ops establishment" could have come up with something a bit more damning for Assange if they'd really wanted to, such as planting some child porn on him, or drugs if he went somewhere that carries the death penalty for possession..
  
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Re:Are you better off than 4 years ago? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:28 · Score: 0

Hello TSA pervert. Did you rape any kids today?
Related? by leomekenkamp · 2012-09-04 03:28 · Score: 1

If you google for "gottfrid svartholm cambodia us high trade", the first hit reads:

Latest News - Cambodia Guide
www.camboguide.com > Country
5 days ago - Pirate Bay Founder Gottfrid Svartholm Arrested In Cambodia - Latest
News ... Iran, Cambodia Have High Potentials For Enhancing Ties - Latest News ....
Top U.S. trade official heads to Southeast Asia for talks - Latest News ...
Any change the first and the last item are in any way related?

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1. Re:Related? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 04:51 · Score: 0
  
  Of course not - just like how the decision to raid and prosecute TPB had absolutely nothing to do with the Swedish politicians' visit in the US shortly before... cogh, cough
What's Cambodia getting out of the deal? by uigrad_2000 · 2012-09-04 03:32 · Score: 5, Interesting

I visited a friend in Phnom Penh a couple of years ago. They have lots of "DVD shops" in any of their shopping areas. 100% of the DVDs are pirated. If you want a non-pirated DVD, you have to find an airport. I think there's also one high class mall that contains one dvd store with non-pirated DVDs and software.
Cambodia has no taxes. The money the government runs on is half bribes and half foreign aid. To bring in more foreign aid, they know they have to stop piracy, but that's their only incentive. When foreign ambassadors come to visit, they'll send out a signal to all the DVD shops, and they'll all close down. 3 days later, they all come back.

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1. Re:What's Cambodia getting out of the deal? by Hatta · 2012-09-04 04:28 · Score: 1
  
  The proper question is, what would Cambodia get out of a high profile extradition fight?
  
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2. Re:What's Cambodia getting out of the deal? by manaway · 2012-09-04 05:23 · Score: 0
  
  I visited a friend in Phnom Penh a couple of years ago. They have lots of "DVD shops" in any of their shopping areas. 100% of the DVDs are pirated.
  The US, when it was parting ways with the British, was the same way; publishing texts with British copyright. All first world countries ignored copyrights and patents of other countries until their local publishers established themselves because there just wasn't all that much original content available. Then the newly-established country, with its now active content-producing businesses, starts making agreements with other first world publishers while harassing poorer countries for ignoring copyrights, patents, trademarks, and such.
  What should Cambodia do with Svartholm? That's Cambodia's decision.
3. Re:What's Cambodia getting out of the deal? by rubycodez · 2012-09-04 08:51 · Score: 1
  
  Look it up, Cambodia has business taxes. Cambodia has corporate income tax, and also additional taxes for companies that deal in natural resources.
Re:Are you better off than 4 years ago? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:34 · Score: 0

When the time comes. You're in the first group going up aginst the wall.
Rapists, Murderers, and Bank Robbers thank you by moniker127 · 2012-09-04 03:36 · Score: 3, Funny

I stand as chairman for the Society for Advancement of Rapists Murderers and Bank Robbers, and I would like to pledge my most sincere thanks to you, Sweedish government, for prosecuting crimes like this instead of continuing to persecute us.
1. Re:Rapists, Murderers, and Bank Robbers thank you by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:53 · Score: 0
  
  I stand as chairman for the Society for Advancement of Rapists Murderers and Bank Robbers, and I would like to pledge my most sincere thanks to you, Sweedish government, for prosecuting crimes like this instead of continuing to persecute us.
  I'll admit, I initially read that as "Society for Advancement of Rapists, Murderers and Bankers"
2. Re:Rapists, Murderers, and Bank Robbers thank you by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:58 · Score: 0
  
  Meh, same difference.
3. Re:Rapists, Murderers, and Bank Robbers thank you by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 04:43 · Score: 0
  
  Er, scratch Rapists from that ... heard of Assange I take it?
4. Re:Rapists, Murderers, and Bank Robbers thank you by jones_supa · 2012-09-04 05:18 · Score: 1
  
  You probably meant "not much difference" or "same concept". If you say "same difference", you would need to have two or more differences to compare.
5. Re:Rapists, Murderers, and Bank Robbers thank you by Rei · 2012-09-04 05:20 · Score: 1
  
  Hold now, Assange is innocent. We've all heard him say so many, many times. He's not trying to use diplomacy to get the charges dropped - quite to the contrary, he wants to go back to Sweden! He just wants guarantees (regardless of whether or not giving them would be illegal) that he won't be extradited to the US, and then he'll happily go back to Sweden to clear his name. *That's* what he's negotiating for, not to get the case dropped. Come on, Julian, tell them!.
  
  During the Telesur television interview, recorded earlier this week inside the embassy, Mr Assange said that he believes the situation "will be solved through diplomacy". He added: "The Swedish government could drop the case. I think this is the most likely scenario. Maybe after a thorough investigation of what happened they could drop the case. I think this will be solved in between six and 12 months. That's what I estimate."
  
  Oh...
  
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6. Re:Rapists, Murderers, and Bank Robbers thank you by tehcyder · 2012-09-04 23:50 · Score: 1
  
  You probably meant "not much difference" or "same concept". If you say "same difference", you would need to have two or more differences to compare.
  You are quite wrong.
  
  "Same difference" is a slightly joky English colloquialism which means "there is no difference between them". Whether it makes sense logically is irrelevant, although I suppose you could define it as meaning "the differences between A and B are the same, in that there are none".
  
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Re:Are you better off than 4 years ago? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:36 · Score: 0

Liberal Schills are out early tonight.
Re:Are you better off than 4 years ago? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 03:45 · Score: 0

ITT, people who can't figure out the loss in their purchasing power. What you think printing 16 trillion dollars has no effect on the value of your dollar? "How come I make 100k a year and can't afford to go on vacation in europe anymore?" is always a good one.
I Guess.... by avandesande · 2012-09-04 04:19 · Score: 3, Funny

I guess his 'Holiday in Cambodia' is over!

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1. Re:I Guess.... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-05 01:53 · Score: 0
  
  where you'll do what your told
Send him to the US by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 04:22 · Score: 0

He committed crimes in the US jurisdiction against US intellectual property laws, so the US has a case. And the far harsher penalties a US court would hand down will serve to make an example of him, which given that he tried to run, will be a welcome deterrent to other pirates.
Kill the Pirates!! by sdinfoserv · 2012-09-04 04:37 · Score: 1

I feel much safer sleeping at night know that people who share movies and songs are perused with the same tenacity as Nazi war criminals. The world is much safer knowing this vermin is almost apprehended. God save the queen!!
1. Re:Kill the Pirates!! by tehcyder · 2012-09-04 23:57 · Score: 1
  
  I feel much safer sleeping at night know that people who share movies and songs are perused with the same tenacity as Nazi war criminals. The world is much safer knowing this vermin is almost apprehended. God save the queen!!
  What's our Queen got to do with the insanity of US law enforcement?
  
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2. Re:Kill the Pirates!! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-05 00:35 · Score: 0
  
  I feel much safer sleeping at night know that people who share movies and songs are perused with the same tenacity as Nazi war criminals.
  It took 50 years to find some Nazi war criminals. Most kiddy pr0n rings go on for 5-10 years before being broken up.
  The movie file sharers and Swartholm are found in Cambodia and extradited in a year or two.
  Guess where the big bribes come from.
  In fact, a Swedish police officer that was testifying as a witness in the Piratebay case on behalf of the movie industry vs Piratebay, got a top job in a movie industry company right after the trial ended. Of course, there is no connection between the testimony and the job offer. Muhahaha.
Interesting timing of the arrest by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 04:43 · Score: 1

According to Cambodia Daily, US top trade representative Ron Kirk met with ASEAN economic ministers in Siem Reap City the day he [Gottfrid] got arrested... Kinda like the decision to raid and prosecute TPB had absolutely nothing to do with the Swedish politicians' visit in the US shortly before..
1. Re:Interesting timing of the arrest by tnk1 · 2012-09-04 06:34 · Score: 1
  
  I wouldn't be surprised. Even if he was not extradited to the US, US interests are served by having him in a Swedish jail.
  Or it could be a coincidence. Either way, if the US can snare him more easily for breaking Swedish law, that doesn't seem like a particularly nefarious deed. Unless you're suggesting that Sweden should not enforce its own laws to protect him from a legal indictment in the US and possible extradition.
And if it does happen, what will YOU do? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 04:50 · Score: 0

Hmmm?
1. Re:And if it does happen, what will YOU do? by phantomfive · 2012-09-04 13:03 · Score: 1
  
  And if it does happen, what will YOU do? (Score:0) by Anonymous
  When the facts change, I change my views to match them. Only an idiot would do otherwise.
  
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WRONG!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 04:55 · Score: 0

The European Arrest Warrant was to detain for questioning. If the warrant was for questioning AND ARREST, then Sweden are in breach of international law and are in *serious* trouble. Invasion-of-soverign-state level of trouble.
The EAW allows for "arrest" as the reason for issuing the warrant, so it's not that the arrest part is missing because they aren't allowed to issue an European ARREST Warrant for the reason of arrest. Is it.
You're a rapist too! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 05:00 · Score: 0

Because I bet you didn't ask *every* time, did you. And didn't wait until she *completely woke up before frottaging, right? Then by the definition you're accusing JA of being a rapist, you are one too!
1. Re:You're a rapist too! by tehcyder · 2012-09-04 23:55 · Score: 1
  
  Because I bet you didn't ask *every* time, did you. And didn't wait until she *completely woke up before frottaging, right? Then by the definition you're accusing JA of being a rapist, you are one too!
  Oddly enough, most people do have definite permission (even if unspoken) before having sex, and don't start making love to an unconscious partner they don't know very well.
  
  Anyway, if you want to complain about Sweden's definitions of rape/unlawful sex or whatever, go ahead, but it's irrelevant to whether Assange has broken their laws.
  
  If I visit one of your fine US States where (say) oral sex is illegal and I get caught with my dick down someone's throat by a cop, I can't use "but it's not illegal at home" as a valid defence, can I?
  
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Re:Are you better off than 4 years ago? by icebraining · 2012-09-04 05:05 · Score: 1

Have you actually seen the USD/EUR rates? It's at the same levels as before the crisis/loans.

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WSJ by lexidation · 2012-09-04 05:09 · Score: 1

The Wall Street Journal referred to him yesterday as the "mastermind" behind the "notorious" Pirate Bay, which was an amusing use of language. Or alarming.
The truth is extradion just like Assange Wikileaks by NSN+A392-99-964-5927 · 2012-09-04 05:44 · Score: 1

I could have broken this story; before it was issued and I do not need to read the article as the person gets deported to Sweden and then onto the USA.
Russia Today was first out of the blocks with this! Danke Timothy and others this story is informative and some people might hate the truth but the story is exactly what it is!

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They dropped the case before. by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 07:25 · Score: 0

And the women themselves deny there was any rape.
1. Re:They dropped the case before. by Rei · 2012-09-04 10:05 · Score: 1
  
  Right, that's why they have an attorney who's pressing forward with the charges, right? Clearly they just don't know they have an attorney, poor ignorant damsels!
  
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Svartholm is not wanted for file-sharing by nickovs · 2012-09-04 08:51 · Score: 1

It's important the appreciate that the Swedish arrest warrant for Svartholm isn't for file-sharing, it's for skipping bail and fleeing after his last round of appeals failed. Irrespective of the soundness of the original trail, the guy is a fugitive with a current conviction who's sentence has not been served. The charges he will face if he is caught now are far more serious than the ones he faced with Pirate Bay.

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Except by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 10:07 · Score: 0

You technically don't need a treaty. They can say "we don't want him, we're deporting him to his home country" and stick him on a plane with a law enforcement officer, and away he goes.
Extradition route by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 11:41 · Score: 0

Methinks he's taking the Guantanamo Special, with a long and all expenses paid stay in the corner of the island where Castro don't visit.
Re:Are you better off than 4 years ago? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-04 23:01 · Score: 0

All that means is that Europe is printing euros as fast as the US is printing dollars. Have you seen the exchange rates for the US dollar versus the Canadian dollar, third world currencies, the barrel of oil, the ounce of gold, or the bushel of wheat?