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IPv6 Deployment Picking Up Speed
An anonymous reader writes "The Internet's addressing authority (IANA) ran out of IPv4 Internet addresses in early 2011. The IPv6 protocol (now 15 years old) was designed exactly for this scenario, as it provides many more addresses than our foreseeable addressing needs. However, IPv6 deployment has so far been dismal, accounting for 1% of total traffic (the high-end of estimates). A recent paper by researchers at the Cooperative Association for Internet Data analysis (CAIDA) indicates that IPv6 deployment may be picking up at last. The paper, published at the Internet Measurement Conference (IMC) shows that the IPv6 network shows signs of maturing, with its properties starting to resemble the deployed IPv4 network. Deployment appears to be non-uniform, however; while the 'core' of the network appears to be ready, networks at the 'edges' are lacking. There are geographical differences too — Europe and the Asia Pacific region are ahead of North America."
North America fails to take up an International Standard.
That's NEVER happen. Except with everything.
Thats what I want to know, IPv6 is old hat! Any respectable IP _must_ have functionality equal to TOR built right into the specs!
The year of IPv6 on the desktop!
This is not what I expected from you when facebook and google enabled it long ago ...
New Rule:
Websites are only allowed to try to garner page-views on IPv6 when all the websites that article is posted on are available over IPv6.
This is one.
I've been on native IPv6 for a couple of years on my home DSL connection. It works very well - only thing I had to do was check the 'enable IPv6' option in my modem/router and everything 'just worked'. It is rather nice not having to deal with NAT and port forwarding etc.
I'm in Australia (so within the Asia-Pacific/APNIC region, which as the summary mentions, is a bit ahead of the curve when it comes to IPv6 adoption. Most of the major sites are fully IPv6 now too (e.g. all the Google sites, Facebook, etc. etc.) But the point is, done properly, it should be a completely seamless transition to enable dual-stack (and eventually to turn off IPv4, though I'm sure that won't happen for decades!). Hell I usually forget I'm even on IPv6, unless I happen to do a ping/tracert to an IPv6 host and see all those long-ass IPs :)
C:\>tracert www.google.com
Tracing route to www.google.com [2404:6800:4006:800::1014] over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms gateway [2001:44b8:(snip!)]
2 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms loop0.lns20.cbr1.internode.on.net [2001:44b8:9010::5]
3 7 ms * 7 ms gi0-0-2.cor3.cbr1.internode.on.net [2001:44b8:9010:14::1]
4 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms te6-0-0.bdr1.syd4.internode.on.net [2001:44b8:9010:e::2]
5 11 ms * 11 ms te0-0-0.bdr1.syd7.internode.on.net [2001:44b8:b070:1::11]
6 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms gi1-2-121.cor2.syd7.internode.on.net [2001:44b8:b060:121::2]
7 11 ms * 12 ms gi6-0-0-101.bdr1.syd7.internode.on.net [2001:44b8:b070:104::1]
8 12 ms 11 ms 12 ms 2001:4860:1:1:0:1283:0:4
9 13 ms 13 ms 12 ms 2001:4860:0:1::1fb
10 13 ms 12 ms 11 ms 2404:6800:4006:800::1014
Dear Media,
Every week, there's a new apocalypse in the news.
AIDS. Global Warming. Copyright violations. Vodka enemas. Terrorism. ???. Prophet. (I mean... profit.)
The IPv6 lolocaust is not going to impress us unless there are concrete figures about exactly when and how it's going to devastate us.
Then, we can plan for it.
Until then, it reeks of hype.
Love,
The consumers
It would be nice if Slashdot itself was available on IPv6... After all, you would have thought that a site reporting on the latest and greatest in tech would have managed to adopt a technology fifteen years old by now!
IPv6 Capable operating systems: check. .........
IPv6 Capable router: check.
IPv6 Capable cable modem: check.
IPv6 Capable internet service:
Maybe one of these years the cable company will get this figured out, sigh.
...and I'm already sick of typing that many extra digits to ping something.
If you have an IPv6-only host, you can't reach slashdot.org
You can get google.com and facebook.com.
Also missing: amazon.com, microsoft.com, hotmail.com, nytimes.com, kernel.org, github.org, lwn.net etc etc.
Your IPv6 experience is going to be pretty poor.
Using aaisp.net.uk and it all just works,
Facebook, google, youtube, world of warcraft... all work perfectly on ipv6. More than half my data now goes over it without me doing *anything* to make it work :)
The game changer here is that US cell phone companies have finally figured out that 4 layers of NAT isn't exactly a great way to manage a growing network, and are switching to IPv6 for their 4G networks. That is millions of customers right there, using IPv6 without even knowing about it.
Pieces are falling into place, it's just a matter of time now. And if you lobby your ISP instead of complaining about it, you may get it native too soon enough.
BTW: for those worried about the switch, let me just mention that both ipv6.google.com and www.kame.net (common test IPv6 addresses) are reachable in *less* latency and *less* hops than their ipv4 counterparts. IPv6 rocks.
Semantics is the gravity of abstraction
ZyXEL's hardware sucks for CPE since they cannot do IPv6.
Inertia.
I work for a large company that's had a domain since the Elder Days of domain registration, and there's just no way that it'll migrate over to IPv6. Too many computers and routers (including many legacy) and there's no actual need to do it: 10.*.*.* and 196.168.*.* networks abound and work just fine.
"I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
This is insightful and I agree for the most part. However, a consumer facing a "black box" is helpless. It's better to make the box simpler and more accessible so they can fix minor problems when they arise, since they arise with every technology we have on a regular basis.
Here I disagree.
This a species of fear-inducing news articles designed to panic the consumers and induce them to put pressure on vendors, legislators and service providers.
Hence my original comment.
I've provisioned several thousand servers in the past month or so spread widely over the world and had no problems with availability of IPv4 addresses. Where's the problem? Is seems there's plenty of addresses for servers and clients can use NAT if there's a squeeze. No need for IPv6.
I have IPv6 at home, but had to disable it: a bug in NetworkManager caused it to misbehave when it encountered a IPv6 DHCP on wifi. Long story short, I had a kernel panic every 30 minutes (+/- 10 min). Windows 7 via wifi? No problem. Linux via ethernet cable? No problem. Will have to check if it was patched since I last tried it.
Suck on it, all you losers!
> its properties starting to resemble the deployed IPv4 network
Oh, so you mean there are a number of popular services, which are so well known as to be basically household names, that are only available via this protocol and no other, right? And the number of people who use the network both at work and at home rivals that of any other network, including the phone network? Right?
No?
Because that is what it would mean for the deployed IPv6 network to resemble the deployed IPv4 network.
Holding my breath I am not.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/092412-ipv6-side-262674.html
US has the most IPv6 users, North America has the most IPv6 traffic.
Sure, it's still small in absolute magnitude, but it's a start.
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/8/20/95
Doesn't switching to IPV6 virutually guarantee the **AA spies would be able to tell exactly which computer was used to download supposed infringing files?
Companies are still shipping network gear that is IPv4 only. Find me a fixed-wireless device that supports IPv6! Sure they're layer 2 devices, but the units themselves don't have IPv6 addressability.
IPv6 will take a long, long time. Maybe 10 years for major crossover. The fanbois and the advocates get shriller every day, but moving to IPv6 - even dual-stack - from an existing network is currently *hard*.
...Steve
What if the Mayans predicted the day we'd run out of IPv4 addresses?
I've been on ipv6 for 6 months or so using hurricane electric to tap into the ipv6 world. When I browse around the net, the only ipv6 sites I really come across are google and facebook..
I learned under metric, for me those "customary" units of height are very hard to grasp.
In metric, everything is in tens, you add or subtract zeros, thats it.
A meter contains 10 decimeters (rarely used), a decimeter contains 10 centimeters, a centimeter contains 10 milliliters, etc.
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/prefixes.html
Customary/Imperial units are a mess, and to make matters worse, you don't use a single unit but TWO different ones for measuring things (feet AND inches?). What the hell is an inch? half a feet? quarter? decimal? no... its freaking 1/12. OF COURSE you don't fit 12 feet in a yard, that would be too easy, its 3... AND you also don't fit 12 pica in an inch, but 6...
To make sense of your nonsense, we have to convert to a single unit first (eg. inches), and THEN move to metric, that is not a trivial mental operation for many.
Another American annoyance is paper sheet sizes. But there are many more areas for frustration in those outdated customs.
Let them sink in their isolation, is what we say here.
Artix
Your Linux, your init.
COX claims they have "plenty addrsses" and IPv6 is not scheduled for deployment "any time soon"
There is no right to feel safe thru security vaudeville at the expense of everyone's freedom, privacy and tax money.
1%
Interesting definition. So which is it: either Google, Facebook, Youtube and Netflix are not basically household names, or the deployed IPv4 network does not resemble the deployed IPv4 network.
Can you use a 24-hour clock system? Perhaps you can make use of the Celsius scale at least? It's not necessarily easy to learn to feel something reflexively, especially when everybody around you is used to something else.
I've been using a 24-hour clock system for the past two years, yet I still think of the time as "3 P.M." rather than 15:00 (or 15h or 15h00 or whatever notation you wish to use). That's just the way things work.
Likewise, I've preferred Celsius for little more than a year, but since everybody here in the US uses the Fahrenheit scale I am forced to convert to the Fahrenheit scale to make someone understand the temperature. After all, I know the mnemonic "30 is hot, 20 is nice, 10 is cold, 0 is ice" but when I personally think of temperature, I can't look at my phone and see 20 and know how it FEELS. I know how 70F feels. But 20C? Not sure exactly. I'm guessing that without completely thinking in terms of only Celsius and 24-hour time, I won't be able to make the switch. I think the same is true of other units of measure as well. After all, there have been 2-liter bottles of soda pop since I was a child, and I've been seeing 1-liter bottles of Coca-Cola in convenience stores as well as 20-ounce bottles. I didn't notice the difference until I held it in my hand because they appeared to be relatively the same pretty much. In actuality, the difference is nearly 12 fl. oz. more liquid in the 1-liter!
(warning: rant follows)
Oh, and I love how there are different "ounces" as well. Whereas you can compare a liter to a cubic centimeter (they're both units of volume), you can't necessarily compare an ounce (1/16 of a pound) and a fluid ounce (~29.6 milliliters) because one is used for weight while the other is used for volume. It would be like comparing kilograms to cubic centimeters. Two identical boxes, one filled with stuff while the other is completely empty, possess the same volume but different mass, which means the weight is different. Simply put, you can't trust that volume and weight are identical. As a result, there are two very different units that some can get confused. After all, an ounce is supposed to be an ounce, right?
I wish someone would remind me why the US doesn't even seem to attempt the adoption the much more convenient metric system because cost can't be the only factor. Several attempts have been made already, and it's taught in schools now. It should be put to practical use beyond the government sector.
I have been a captive in America my entire life. Everybody and everything uses customary units instead of metric.
The Internet's addressing authority (IANA) ran out of IPv4 Internet addresses in early 2011. The IPv6 protocol (now 15 years old) was designed exactly for this scenario, as it provides many more addresses than our foreseeable addressing needs. However, IPv6 deployment has so far been dismal, accounting for 1% of total traffic (the high-end of estimates). A recent paper by researchers at the Cooperative Association for Internet Data analysis (CAIDA) indicates that IPv6 deployment may be picking up at last. The paper, published at the Internet Measurement Conference (IMC) shows that the IPv6 network shows signs of maturing, with its properties starting to resemble the deployed IPv4 network. Deployment appears to be non-uniform, however; while the 'core' of the network appears to be ready, networks at the 'edges' are lacking.
regards.
bizworldusa