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CERN's LHC To Shut Down For Repair & Upgrades
hypnosec writes "CERN has revealed that the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is going into hibernation and will be shut down for a period of two years for upgrades. The LHC will go through a maintenance and upgrade phase starting in March that will bring the atom smasher up to speed with its maximum energy levels. From the article: 'The machine that last year helped scientists snare the elusive Higgs boson – or a convincing subatomic impostor – faces a two-year shutdown while engineers perform repairs that are needed for the collider to ramp up to its maximum energy in 2015 and beyond. The work will beef up electrical connections in the machine that were identified as weak spots after an incident four years ago that knocked the collider out for more than a year.'"
Time to get the Black Hole Machine ready for 1.21 Jigawatts
If computers were people, I'd be a misanthrope.
With the resolution of the NHL strike, a lot of Zambonis and their skilled operators will be shipped over to North America and thus won't be available for the regular icedowns required by the LHC track.
For how many years needs something to be known before it is no longer a revelation? Seriously, this schedule has been in the plans for several years, it was also clear from even before the initial start that before going to design luminosity (i.e. beam intensity in layman's speak) and design energy a shutdown for refurbishment would be necessary. This is no surprise at all -- after all running the world's highest energy particle collider (the LHC at 7 TeV) would necessarily teach us something about running a machine at even higher energies (the LHC which will run at 13-14 TeV starting 2014) that we didn't know before.
And the dumbasses come out of the woodwork.
I gotta ask, what the heck is powering this thing? Several nuclear reactors? I think it's time we work on Fusion reactors if they're going to upgrade at this point.
Their plans to end the world have failed, so they're retooling with more power to try again!
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To try and use the collider and have to peel the onion to deal with the unknowns. Then again, could be the Laundry at work.. ;)
Hmm... Just when they get a whiff of the Higgs they shut down. Curious. Either "those in the know" have to have some time to make sure things like the LHC don't really find it, or they need a little time to reengineer the Higgs so as to make it less detectable.
I don't really know whether it will be or any use to reply to this post, but I will take my chance anyhow.
In extremely few words, shutting down the LHC has nothing to do with finding the Higgs Boson, as of now. The data from the particle collisions is NOT processed in real time. The data is stored and processed at a much slower rate compared to that of which it is produced. Already there's TONS of data that needs to be processed and analysed. The necessary data for determining whether there truly is a Higgs Boson or not is already there, waiting only to be looked at and analysed. The fact our ability to process $DATA is slower than our ability to produce $DATA has nothing to do with 'those in the know redesigning Higgs to fit their needs'.
You should *watch less* conspiracy theory movies, and *read more* real science.
there is little chance of a resonance cascade
You should *watch less* conspiracy theory movies, and *read more* real science.
That's just what they (you) want us to think, isn't it?!
Well, I'm on to you buster! And I *know* that when the Higgs Boson was found, aliens came to visit and actually offered to solve the European debt crisis, cure cancer, bring Word peace, and give every woman on this planet at least 'C' cup boobs!
But no! You people conspired with the aliens so that you can keep power and keep all the decent sized boobed women to yourselves!
I will NOT be fooled! No sir!
Real science is boring. Where are our futuristic devices we were supposed to have since the 1940s?
I think it's WORLD peace, but who knows, perhaps the alien civilization has lasted as long as it has because it settled the choice of word processor aeons ago? Who would have thought... Rather than nuclear armageddon it was textual compatibility!
*watch fewer*, Mr. Pedant. If you're going to correct others, at least do it correctly.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
You're reading this on one.
Is there a way a 3D printer can speed that up? Or maybe we can put the LHC into a private space orbit and let the free market take over?
Yay! No black holes for the next two years!
Another upgrade, is this run by Microsoft?
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Also, this shutdown period was planned already when the LHC went into operation, two years ago.. As far as I remember anyway.
Just a quick question. How can the particles that have been produced be turned off? Also where does SARAH fit into this "shutdown" I thought with ALICE they were to help the growing findings?
Thank You
The necessary data for determining whether there truly is a Higgs Boson or not is already there
Actually that is not quite correct. To really determine whether we have a Standard Model Higgs boson we need to see its decays into things called fermions (particles that make up matter) and so far we have only see it decay into bosons (particles that create forces). The problem is that the heaviest fermions the "Higgs" can create, b-quarks, are also created by different physics that is ~a billion times more likely than a Higgs decay so it's like try to find a piece of straw in a haystack (a needle is easy if you have a big enough magnet!). The next heaviest fermions, tau leptons - a very heavy cousin of the electron - decay in a way which makes them look very much like quarks and so, to a large degree, suffer the same problem (identifying taus in the trigger is something I actually work on).
So to be able to see these decays we need a lot of data and it is not entirely clear whether we will have enough in the current dataset to see these decays - my best guess is that we might hit 3 sigma "evidence" but without some very clever analysis I think a 5 sigma "discovery" is unlikely. In addition we also need to measure the spin of the Higgs to confirm that it is a scalar, spin-0, particle. This again requires large statistics and again I don't know that we have enough data yet - time will tell.
The big reason for the shutdown is for the energy upgrade. If this new particle really is the Higgs then we can expect new physics out there to explain why the Higgs is so much lighter than the planck scale - the energy where gravity becomes important (the reasons behind this are complex!). This new physics may also explain what Dark Matter is so there is a great deal of hope that getting the energy up to ~13TeV (which is what is expected after the upgrade) may give us access to this new physics.
Time to get the Black Hole Machine ready for 1.21 Jigawatts
Not far off - but the LHC power consumption is only ~0.3 GW and won't change much with the higher energy since the magnets are superconducting and most of the power goes into keeping them cold. However with a 27km circumference don't expect to find it mounted in the back of a Delorean anytime soon.
No grandpa, it's a sub-atomic particle smasher.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Just when they get a whiff of the Higgs they shut down. Curious.
Not curious at all. And, as mentioned in previous posts, the shutdown has been planned for several years already. If the Higgs' energy was higher than the roughly 125 GeV it seems to have, LHC would have found it a lot sooner.
The reason for not shutting down earlier was that they wanted to be sure that if it wasn't found by the time they shut down, then the accumulated data would be sufficient to rule out the Higgs. They calculated that in order to do that, they had to run until the end of 2012.
In fact, the current run at LHC was extended after the Higgs discovery was made, for the sole reason of gathering more Higgs data.
Correct.
The shutdown was originally planned to start a month or so ago, but the run got extended to make sure we had the maximum number of collisions to sudy the Higgs boson in detail. It could not be extended more, because of issues with contracts planned long ago for this shutdown.
The LHC performed very well this year, but not above its own expectations, and therefore we have now a dataset which is big enough to say a few words about how this boson really looks like the Higgs boson, but to really characterize it further we need more data. For instance, with the data still being analysed, we know that the spin will not be unambiguously determined - well, depends on the definition; at least not with the usual 5 sigma.
In two years from now when it is upgraded and running at maximum levels will anyone think to warn Gordan Freeman??? :)
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The LHC beam tunnel is just barely big enough for the beam line and magnets. The layout is as tight as a submarine. Getting magnets in and out is a huge pain. The original intent was that it wasn't going to be necessary to do that very often. It didn't work out that way.
But after the last failure, they discovered that the electrical connections between the sections weren't as solid as they needed to be. The trouble four years ago happened because a weld wasn't good enough. A connection went non-superconducting and became resistive, and all the energy stored in the associated superconducting magnets was converted to heat. The area of the joint exploded and most of the liquid helium in the system converted to gas, blowing out a lot of cryogenic plumbing.
Because of the tight spaces, tasks which ought to be done in parallel have to be done sequentially. That increases downtime.
The unfinished US Superconducting Supercollider had tunnels big enough for railroad trains. (It was in Texas and a pork program; what would you expect?) CERN built cheaper, but they pay for it in downtime.
damn it.. where is all the anti-matter? without it how can I ever control the universe??
> CERN has revealed that the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is going into hibernation and will be shut down for a period of two years for upgrades.
Clearly they have discovered a network of interstellar wormholes and are are trying to hush it up while assembling a team of space commandos a la Richard Dean Anderson.
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All the best science is done by the US. We invented technology - radios, cars, jet aircraft, rockets. Now you see what happens if we don't keep science in the USA, where it belongs...
If you're going to correct others, at least move into the current millennium
Go back to watching FOX News, this is Slashdot.
I presume GP was joking, as none of the above were invented in the US.
The shut down is actually scheduled, and was planned long before the run that produced the Higgs boson data. You'll need to get another conspiracy theory, I'm afraid.
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Nah... he meant getting rid of the ribbon bar...
Should! Should! Should! I prefer to watch real science; Can you point me to some sources for that? I thnk I've plumbed the depths of Star Trek etc.
Or we could at least attempt to maintain sufficient precision in our language to be able to communicate cogently...