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Kevin Mitnick Helping Secure Presidential Elections In Ecuador

hypnosec writes "Kevin Mitnick, who was one of the most wanted computer hacker in the US at one time, is now heading a security consultancy firm – Mitnick Security Consulting, and is entrusted with the task of securing Sunday's presidential elections in Ecuador. Mitnick tweeted, '18 years ago I was busted for hacking. I do the same thing today but with full authorization. How cool is that?' His company will focus on protecting the Net Lock computer system tasked with tabulating Ecuador's elections."

85 comments

  1. e-Cuador by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    A great opportunity for a name change!

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    1. Re:e-Cuador by aphelion_rock · · Score: 1
      Kevin Mitnick Helping Secure Presidential Election...

      Vote 1 Kevin Mitnick for President

  2. Is "Securing elections" a euphemism? by Gopal.V · · Score: 2

    That guy: I can secure that election for you, very cheap & virtually bulletproof.

    I don't mean to challenge whatever white-hat work that Kevin Mitnick is doing, but the phrase does indeed strike me as something a lobbyist (or well, tout) would tell me. Perhaps I'm just cynical.

    Trust in the democratic process is as important as the actual security of the process. So I would suspect that anything Mitnick finds will be discussed behind closed doors - and it's none of my business, but this does not add any more unless I trust Mitnick (viz not at all).

    1. Re:Is "Securing elections" a euphemism? by tqk · · Score: 1

      Just shows to go ya, you can sell snow to Eskimos. USA!

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    2. Re:Is "Securing elections" a euphemism? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Trust in the democratic process is as important as the actual security of the process.

      This is something all too often forgotten in discussions around electronic voting; proponents think that adding enough security is sufficient. Transparency of the process in critical, as it can deliver that trust; that's why I (as a gadget freak) am very much in favour of paper ballots. Incredibly hard to fix on a large scale without anyone noticing, and oversight can be carried out by any citizen, not just by security experts with PhDs.

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    3. Re:Is "Securing elections" a euphemism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the election will be secured for El Grande Presidente Supremo.

      With 79.26753421% of the vote.

    4. Re:Is "Securing elections" a euphemism? by Vellmont · · Score: 1


        I don't mean to challenge whatever white-hat work that Kevin Mitnick is doing, but the phrase does indeed strike me as something a lobbyist (or well, tout) would tell me. Perhaps I'm just cynical.

      It's cynical at all. Ecuador isn't really known for being terribly trustworthy.

      http://report.globalintegrity.org/Ecuador/2008

      My feel is that Mitnick was just brought in as window dressing. I wouldn't even suspect that Mitnick would have to hide anything he finds. It's only the tabulating equipment that he's "securing", not the entire election. There's FAR more to securing elections than some silly computer system that counts things. Election fixing happens out in the polling places where few people are looking, not in some big centralised location where the counting happens.

      To actually ensure a fair election requires people monitoring polling places, not a couple guys making sure nobody hax0r3d the machine that does the counting. Mitnick is smart enough to know this, but yet is lending his name to make money. I really have no idea if elections are fair in Ecuador, but you're quite right to be skeptical of Mitnick's role in the whole thing.

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    5. Re:Is "Securing elections" a euphemism? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      No, it fits perfectly. The highest bidder to Mitnick "secures" himself a victory.

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    6. Re:Is "Securing elections" a euphemism? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Yes, it makes perfect sense that the people in power in Equador would just give some US nerd the power to decide the election.

      Mitnick's job is window dressing, nothing more.

    7. Re:Is "Securing elections" a euphemism? by dougisfunny · · Score: 1

      Well, obviously they can't harvest their own snow because it would adversely affect interstate snow harvesting commerce.

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    8. Re:Is "Securing elections" a euphemism? by tqk · · Score: 1

      Well, obviously they can't harvest their own snow because it would adversely affect interstate snow harvesting commerce.

      Ya know, with a freezer, you can grow your own? OMFG!!!111

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    9. Re:Is "Securing elections" a euphemism? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Well, obviously they can't harvest their own snow because it would adversely affect interstate snow harvesting commerce.

      Ya know, with a freezer, you can grow your own? OMFG!!!111

      Better make sure you have a license for medical snow before the power company catches up with you....

  3. So you think he works like Diebold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But at least here he has the decency to refrain from telling everyone that he's going to secure the election for Bush, as Diebold did.

    USA! Number one in election fraud!!!

  4. so what does the company do? by Trepidity · · Score: 1

    Is "Mitnick Security Consulting" just the name for Kevin Mitnick as freelancer? Or is it more like a regular security company with a bunch of paid employees, with Kevin Mitnick as the brand figurehead / spokesman / PR guy?

    1. Re:so what does the company do? by osu-neko · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is an LLC, which doesn't really answer the question, but it does suggest it's on the smaller side.

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    2. Re:so what does the company do? by sedmonds · · Score: 2

      LLC range from a single owner/director to puny companies like Walmart, and General Motors.

  5. Fate of the Shuar by macraig · · Score: 1

    Considering what is at stake in the Condor region in particular and the efforts of the incumbent Presidente to hasten its demise, I hope Mitnick does exactly what he says he's doing.

  6. Convicted Felons Securing Elections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure what to think about this. In the USA a convicted felon is not even allowed to vote. In Ecuador they import them to make sure that the voting is fair. Then again, in the USA we are still arguing over trying to make voting more restrictive.

    1. Re:Convicted Felons Securing Elections by cffrost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the USA a convicted felon is not even allowed to vote.

      That is a serious shortcoming of the democratic process in the United States, as US federal and state governments seem hellbent on creating as many of these ineligible voters as possible, by way of, (for example):

      Further, ex-convicts still have a stake in American society, and as long as they're expected to pay taxes, I believe that they should have a say in how it operates. I think that this is something that should be of concern not only to convicted felons, but to every American who is not above the law, and is therefore eligible to be branded a felon.

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    2. Re:Convicted Felons Securing Elections by mtm_king · · Score: 2

      In the USA a convicted felon is not even allowed to vote.

      Wrong - http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=286

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    3. Re:Convicted Felons Securing Elections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "However, the Secretary of State's website states that persons who have "willfully failed to make three payments in a 12 month period" on any court imposed fines may have their ability to vote revoked by the prosecutor."

      From the web page you posted I found this. I guess if you get a speeding ticket and are poor you can loose your right to vote. I know it might not happen much; but the fact that it could is kinda scary.

    4. Re:Convicted Felons Securing Elections by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      Weird, I have a felony conviction and I can still vote. Are we sure we're not confusing states and the US?

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    5. Re:Convicted Felons Securing Elections by cffrost · · Score: 1

      Weird, I have a felony conviction and I can still vote. Are we sure we're not confusing states and the US?

      I did; thank you for the correction. mtm_king posted this chart: http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=286

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  7. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    His attack on Shimomura, with DNS and ARP poisoning for an rhosts exploit? Not kiddie.

    In fact, Mitnick has moderate to high "skills" in the standard of the c. 2000AD heyday.

    His real forte? Is, was and shall always be social engineering. Really, an enviable confidence player.

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    Never been known to fail..."
  8. Mitnick Is Up To His Same Old Tricks by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Mitnck is little more than a "script kiddy". Those who are not "in the know" like these Ecuadorians, have been sold a tall tale by a guy who got where he is not by hacking ability but smooth talking.

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    1. Re:Mitnick Is Up To His Same Old Tricks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mitnck is little more than a "script kiddy". Those who are not "in the know" like these Ecuadorians, have been sold a tall tale by a guy who got where he is not by hacking ability but smooth talking.

      Well then let's hope that some jail time and a couple of decades of maturity have brought forth a few more realistic motivators to keep the white hat on.

    2. Re:Mitnick Is Up To His Same Old Tricks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, some people transcend bullshit artistry. At some point, the hustle gets so good that it is indistinguishable from competence. (His last book, Art of Deception, is actually a really enlightening read irregardless). Because of his upbringings as a information and security hustler, I really can't think of a better person to take such a contract actually- providing it is in good faith.

  9. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot: Where Mitnick is a script kiddie but Limor Ladyada is a prominent electrical engineer.

  10. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    His real forte? Is, was and shall always be social engineering. Really, an enviable confidence player.

    "Congratulations, Presidente Mitnick."

  11. Compared to the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who paid the underqualified for burger flipping son of an ex president the wages of the USA president, I think they're doing OK.

    1. Re:Compared to the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is a great artist, though.

  12. Re:The Truth About Trace heavy metals by Runaway1956 · · Score: 0

    Housholds - lyme disease - civil war - Germany - research - Vatican - hospitals -

    Alright, I gather that openly talking about these issues is dangerous, but FFS, could you maybe make a rational statement from which a guy might draw some conclusions? Which Civil War are you talking about? A German Civil War? A Roman Civil War? Was there a war in the Vatican? Who performed research during a Civil War?

    I'm wondering if you have Ass Burger's Disease or something like that.

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  13. Re:The Truth About Trace heavy metals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go back to Godlike Productions.

  14. Re:The Truth About Trace heavy metals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a lot more about this and other shocking verified facts here: http://www.verifiedfacts.org/

  15. He was the subject of one of my CompSci reports by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

    Back in the mid-nineties, in one of my computer courses, we had to give a lecture about someone related to computer security. I chose Mitnick. His story then was legendary. It's only gotten better since.

    And I got the highest score in the class for that assignment, so all I can say is "Go Mitnick!"

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  16. Re:The Truth About Trace heavy metals by icebraining · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's from the generator of random conspiracy theories at verifiedfacts.org. Some of them are actually pretty funny.

  17. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by C10H14N2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The fact that he nearly single-handedly got the entire world to stop calling people "con-men" and start referring to them as enviable "social engineers" is his most staggeringly astounding accomplishment. That he now seems to have parlayed that into /actual/ social engineering is frightful.

  18. computer hacker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My ass he was. He was damned good at social engineering however, which he does deserve credit for.

  19. In related news... by TED+Vinson · · Score: 5, Funny

    In related news, Kevin Mitnick is elected President of Ecuador with 121% of the popular vote.

    1. Re:In related news... by guttentag · · Score: 2

      And each of the front-runner candidates received a box in the mail labelled "POLITICIAN PORK."

      (Allegedly, Mitnick was tracking the FBI agents who were pursuing him, and would leave them boxes labelled "FBI DONUTS.")

    2. Re:In related news... by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      After securing the vote, Ecuador named their national drink after him, and then proceeded to give everyone in the country a Free Mitnick!

  20. Oh please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He should know better about aiding foreign governments who are hostile to the US after his ass was pounded by the feds.
    He's just asking for a one-way trip to a indefinite detention in a military prison. Remember, Ecuador is harboring Assange.
    So either he's incredibly naive or Ecuador is stupid and is trusting a double-agent of sorts that will help implement a digital coup to oust their leadership.

  21. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not DNS nor ARP poisoning, TCP spoofing and TCP SYN flooding. The tools to pull off the attack were written for him by another hacker, but knowing all that I still wouldn't classify him as a 'script kiddie'. His strengths were social engineering and telephone/telecom knowledge (someone in the underground with skills in that area would be known as a phone phreak) It's entertaining watching all the posers of today claim that he's a 'script kiddie', put any of them in front of a Nortel SuperNode System or any other switching system responsible for voice traffic, and ask them to perform a wiretap then watch the puzzled look in their eyes as they try to remember if their Hacking Exposed book or SANS training course covered that topic, this wouldn't be a problem for Mitnick.

    Yeah he's a bit of a media whore, yes we're tired of hearing about social engineering but a 'script kiddie', no not exactly.

  22. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the refresher on how he assumed a trusted identity. It's been a few years (ahem) since I read about this.

    Was all this really 18 years ago? We were all around 29 or 30 years old...

    The TCP attacks are easier, but nonetheless equally hackish - and don't require sharing a segment!

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    Never been known to fail..."
  23. Re:I tell you now, Ecuador, be very afraid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Frosty is correct, this can all be confirmed in The Onion.

  24. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which makes Mitnick a con-man.

  25. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by dintech · · Score: 1

    Check out his book too, it's a really fun and entertaining read.

  26. Let him stay there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I hope he stays there.

    He was busted once, got a slap on the wrist, then the fucker went out and did even more.

    Now the con-man is making $$$ off his name and rep.

    As far as I'm concerned, the con-man had his second chance; and he blew it. /. should stop publishing anything with his name in it.

  27. Distinction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but with full authorization

    That's sort of a critical distinction - enough that it's not really the same thing at all.

  28. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hehe, I heard the same about Captain Crunch.

  29. A Job is a job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well done.

  30. They should hire more than one hacker by elucido · · Score: 2

    Mitnick could be included on a team but Mitnick is just one guy. They should instead use around 5 hackers as consultants and at least 1 of the 5 should be a hacker who either has never been caught or who isn't a celebrity. Mitnick as a choice is cool but also seems a bit like a publicity stunt to hire him and him alone for that.

    1. Re:They should hire more than one hacker by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      The entire country is bananas, and the US is to blame for that :)

      Chiquita!

      (Just pointing out that Mitnick is not the first social engineer hired to manage politics in Ecuador)

  31. A banana republic that will collapse in hubris. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Kevin Mitnick Helping Secure Presidential Elections In Ecuador

    Wow, he can down Back Hawks with one hand, while dismembering grey berets with the other?

    "...the validity of the public debt, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned..."

    FYI, Ecuador is a quite communistic country that nationalized foreign company assets without full and immediate compensation (in and itself a legitimate casus belli per the 1956 Suez War precedent) and Ecuador also refuses to pay back the loans it took from international investors and foreign governments. It is only a matter of time before Ecuador will see a regime change and install a right-winger government that cares not for "human rights" (leftist entitlement scams) but spins up the domestic economy in order to pay back the loans and to pay the full compensation sum for the nationalizations.

    I think it needs to be made clear that leftist politics are OK in and itself, but stealing from others is not OK and the stronger countries will duly punish such behaviour and make change in the local regime if they see fit. The sanctitiy of private property is beyond human opinion, having been declared by God himself as in "Thou shall not steal!" and therefore supercedes the souverignity of countries and nations. Debts must be paid fully and nationalized wealth must be fully and immediately compensated for, else the most God-fearing country on Earth, the USA, must act!

  32. Viva el Presidente by TheMathemagician · · Score: 1

    Please can Anonymous or someone hack this election wide-open so Mitnick can be forgotten. Or better still, elect him as Ecuadorian President-for-Life.

  33. I'm happy for him. by Phoenix · · Score: 2

    No really. I am.

    Far too often we focus on the crime and the criminal and don't care one toss for rehabilitation or reintegration into society. Kevin managed to do something stupid 18 years ago, got his ass busted for it, paid his debt to society and now is taking his talents and managed to find a legit and legal way to utilize them.

    Good on ya mate.

    So I'm OK with this. He turned his life around and instead of sitting on his ass and complaining how unfair life is that he got caught, he kept his nose clean, got past his probation (which denied him access to computers), pulled himself up by his bootstraps and made something positive out of the situation.

    Whether or not his company is competent to handle that sort of job? Well that's on him and the staff he has hired.

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    1. Re:I'm happy for him. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Kevin managed to do something stupid 18 years ago, got his ass busted for it, paid his debt to society and now is taking his talents and managed to find a legit and legal way to utilize them.

      He turned his life around and instead of sitting on his ass and complaining how unfair life is that he got caught, he kept his nose clean, got past his probation (which denied him access to computers), pulled himself up by his bootstraps and made something positive out of the situation.

      Except that's not what happened. He was busted 1988, then continued to break the law and was busted again in February 15, 1995. So much for keeping his nose clean. He never would have been famous if he'd reformed when caught.

  34. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by nstlgc · · Score: 1

    Didn't he get the tools for that from Hack-Tic?

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  35. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fact that he nearly single-handedly got the entire world to stop calling people "con-men" and start referring to them as enviable "social engineers" is his most staggeringly astounding accomplishment. That he now seems to have parlayed that into /actual/ social engineering is frightful.

    Last I checked the term "con-men" was still in much more use than "social engineer".

  36. "Hacker becomes security consultant" by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

    Does this actually work out most times? A guy might be the world's greatest safecraker, but that doesn't mean he'd have what it takes to design a safe.

    .

  37. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by wed128 · · Score: 1

    Always was; He's a criminal, and should be regarded as such. I find his celebrity sickening.

  38. Re:Assange is in Ecuador's embassy by wed128 · · Score: 1

    You are welcome to emmigrate there! The first world won't miss you.

  39. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by warGod3 · · Score: 2

    Except he has been tried and served his time. There is such a thing as redemption.

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    "Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet." General James Mattis
  40. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You only seek redemption when you change yourself. He's still the same asshole he ever was.

  41. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by BitZtream · · Score: 1

    Yea, except he did no such thing. Try TCP Syn flood attack ... with tools written by someone else. The very definition of script kiddie.

    Mitnick NEVER had skills. He's been over blown as if he was special. Truth is, his 'skills' are absolutely shitty and the only people who think otherwise are himself, the guy who prosecuted him, and his followers that think criminal hacking is cool.

    He accomplished some social networking so long ago that no one even remembers what he did. He practiced it in a time when no one put any thought into it at all, so it was easy as cake. Not that its MUCH hard now.

    Social engineering was his real forte, but he wasn't particularly impressive with that. He simply took advantage of systems that had no protection. A con-man who saw the open hole that was the size of the Atlantic ocean. Hell he wasn't the first or the best then. He's just the moron who got caught. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

    Mitnick is about as impressive as a hacker as the locksmith who opens unlocked doors. He never has never had any 'skills'.

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  42. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Check out his book too, it's a really fun and entertaining read.

    Criminals can be good company as long as you stay on the right side of them. They generally quite like showing off to mug punters.

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  43. Re:I tell you now, Ecuador, be very afraid! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Excellent post, most informative.

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  44. Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meanwhile, in the USA, Supervisors of Elections who dare to point out security flaws in computerized voting equipment are referred to as "traitors".

  45. This would make for a great film by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    I'd be really interested in seeing another hacker group go up against him to see if he's as good as the legend says he is. And how would you know which side was successful? Certainly the outcome of the election is highly suspect. If you can prevent hacking, you also have detailed knowledge of how to stuff the ballot box.

  46. How cool? Not very... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "18 years ago I stopped someone's bleeding with a compress and saved his life. Now I'm holding myself out as a Doctor of Medicine. How cool is that?"
    "18 years ago I argued a case in small claims court [or was busted for drug possession.] Now I'm acting as a lawyer to assault and murder defendants. How cool is that?"
    "18 years ago I learned how to use an Excel spreadsheet. Now I'm a full time consultant for Microsoft Office 2013. How cool is that?"

    Any of those statements including Mitnick's, if backed by the correct education and experience, may be true. But just because one was busted as a cracker does not make one a security expert. Maybe he's gotten the chops for the job... don't know, don't care. But the main thing that makes me dubious is... the best security people I have known and worked with are very circumspect and pretty private about their work - I was when I worked in physical security. In short, Mitnick's Ego just made his job harder - how many script kiddies will now be gunning for him? And were I his client, I'd have a nice long conversation about keeping confidences of a client and how that relates to confidence in his work.

  47. Remember the Mitnick counters? by axl917 · · Score: 1

    Someone made an applet for others to use, it counted the time accumulated that Mitnick was at the time sitting in jail awaiting trial.

    Good ol' days...

  48. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    He could do about anything he wanted with phone systems - call routes, billing, you name it.

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  49. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by slick7 · · Score: 1

    Always was; He's a criminal, and should be regarded as such. I find his celebrity sickening.

    What does that make most politicians? Kevin did his time, how about the rest?

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    The mind conceives, the body achieves, the spirit manifests.
  50. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by Common+Joe · · Score: 1

    One of Mitnick's complaints is that people who serve their time usually wind up being criminals again because society blocks them at every move to try to be legitimate. I agree with him. His story about trying to rise above what he did is interesting. In fact, it's absolutely amazing that he turned out to be a good guy again. He's the rare exception. As a society, we should try to rehabilitate more people so that they can contribute to society.

    I question your statement about Mitnick. Do you feel that way about all people who are labeled "criminals"? If so, how do they turn back to the light side of the force? What if society labeled them a criminal when they really weren't?

  51. Re:Mitnick is a script kiddie by wed128 · · Score: 1

    I don't disagree with Mitnick's redemption...i disagree with us still paying attention. His only noteriety is based entirely on the crime that he committed.

    I really wish him the best; i'm just tired of reading about him.

    OffTopic: "Mitnick's Redemption" sounds like a Ludlum novel...