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HP Not Giving Up On Autonomy

Nerval's Lobster writes "After defeating a shareholder insurrection that largely stemmed from how it handled the Autonomy acquisition, Hewlett-Packard is trying to resuscitate the fortunes of that troubled analytics-software unit. In an interview, Robert Youngjohns, General Manager of the Autonomy division for HP, conceded that the controversy surrounding the acquisition and its aftermath has proven a significant distraction for the company. ... HP's ambitious turnaround plan involves focusing Autonomy technology, which can help find the right data in huge datasets, on areas such as Web content management and information governance. But it's a big question whether HP can overcome all the negative publicity swirling around Autonomy, widely seen as a poor acquisition: Back in November 2012, HP accused Autonomy's management team of using 'accounting improprieties, misrepresentations and disclosure failures to inflate the underlying financial metrics of the company.' It alerted the SEC's Enforcement Division and the United Kingdom's Serious Fraud Office (Autonomy is based in the U.K.), and announced it would take an $8.8 billion write-down on Autonomy's value. That sort of thing could make Autonomy a tough sell to companies still trying to figure out if they even need so-called 'Big Data' tools."

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  1. !oracle by h8sg8s · · Score: 2

    Despite the distractions, Autonomy has some real promise in the 'unstructured data' world. What remains to be seen is how well HP can integrate the bits into their other products. Oracle disses the acquisition but doesn't have a comparable product.

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    1. Re:!oracle by midnightramen · · Score: 1

      I do agree with this. On one of the products that I had once supported, it was fairly impressive when it worked. Unfortunately, it didn't quite scale well particularly with the largest clients. There were a bunch of moving parts of the product, some open-source, some propriety and often an issue is from one part of the chain not responding well to the load. But, it was absolutely clear that there was an obvious market for this kind of product. Perusing various documents, images, spreadsheets, audio / video files sucked in from hard drives is an enormous data mine for law enforcement, intelligence gathering and legal matters.

  2. Focus on fundamentals! by xyzio · · Score: 2, Informative

    Despite the fact that HP paid too much for Autonomy, the reasons for the acquisition are still valid. The increasing ability to store large amounts of data means that big data is big and there are many big players entering the fray. For example, Intel:
    http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/intels-big-data-push/

    Many industries benefit from Big data mining. Netflix's new series 'House of Cards' was developed based on data Netflix collected about its users to determine what they liked and it has proven to be a success:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/25/business/media/for-house-of-cards-using-big-data-to-guarantee-its-popularity.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    Of course lets not forget the dark side of big data, the NSA and FBI can use the vast volume of data they collect to create statistical profiles of the average American. Any American outside the average is obviously going to be a target for additional investigation.

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    1. Re:Focus on fundamentals! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      HP always blames someone else for their mistakes and poor judgement. What HP needs is a great big mirror.

    2. Re:Focus on fundamentals! by alen · · Score: 1

      you needed big data to make a show about corruption in Congress? i'm almost 40 and people have hated Congress as long as I can remember. Along with any president in their second term, with the exception of Bill Clinton.

      cinema follows economic and social trends. the economic malaise of the 70's was filled by disaster movies. the baby boomers coming of age in the 80's brought us action movies and high school dramas

    3. Re:Focus on fundamentals! by Shimbo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Of course lets not forget the dark side of big data, the NSA and FBI can use the vast volume of data they collect to create statistical profiles of the average American. Any American outside the average is obviously going to be a target for additional investigation.

      The Serious Fraud Office are themselves Autonomy customers, so at the moment they are scratching their heads wondering whether they can conduct the investigation ithout a conflct of interest.

    4. Re:Focus on fundamentals! by xyzio · · Score: 1

      The trick is not to make a show, but to make a good show. Quoting from the NY Times Netflix article:

      It already knew that a healthy share had streamed the work of Mr. Fincher, the director of “The Social Network,” from beginning to end. And films featuring Mr. Spacey had always done well, as had the British version of “House of Cards.” With those three circles of interest, Netflix was able to find a Venn diagram intersection that suggested that buying the series would be a very good bet on original programming.

      How does Netflix know all this from its 33 million subscribers? Big Data of course.

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    5. Re:Focus on fundamentals! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no exceptions -- People hated Bill Clinton in his second term.

    6. Re:Focus on fundamentals! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HP always blames someone else for their mistakes and poor judgement. What HP needs is a great big mirror.

      What HP needs is to reanimate the corpses of Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard to come slap some people around and show them how to run a company. They've needed this approximately since the day they hired Carly Fiorina ca. 1999.

  3. HP cannot become another IBM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Idolizing the service economy will get you nowhere in a real hurry. They can't replicate IBM (and arguably we don't need a company like IBM in the first place).

    1. Re:HP cannot become another IBM by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Given that this is HP we are talking about, idolizing the product economy will likely get them nowhere in a shoddy, OEM-outsourced, and increasingly uncompetitive hurry.

      At least a real hurry will bear some resemblance to what HP did in the good old days....

  4. Tech Companies that should liquidate: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tech Companies that should liquidate and give the money to the shareholders:

    1. HP
    2. Dell
    3. Microsoft
    4.AMD

    Disclaimer: I thought the same about Apple in 1996.

    1. Re:Tech Companies that should liquidate: by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      1. HP - HP is an ink selling company. Sell the calculator division back to the real HP, Agilent, get rid of everything else, and keep trucking along selling ink.
      2. Dell - Should decide if they are a consumer PC, business PC or services company, and focus on one
      3. Microsoft - Should stop trying to do everything for everyone everywhere. Spin off XBox, ERP, phone, etc.. and concentrate on their core products
      4. AMD - Spin off ATI I guess - their chips seems to be very popular in HPC environments so maybe they could be a niche player there?

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  5. HP really needs to get it right now... by Anon,+Not+Coward+D · · Score: 1

    I've been always an HP fan, so i'm sad to say this.

    Long history short, HP really need to focus on a market they can serve well. Let it be big data software or hardware, but they need to hurry since they already have lost a lot of revenue over the years and some big projects didn't go well (such as HP tablets). Sadly if this adquisition is so known to be a "fraud" there will be less demand for those Big Data tools or they will have to set lower prices.

    The sad thing is that HP is really sloppy at hardware right now. I bought a HP laptop (a DV6 envy) very powerful and pretty (i was delighted by the design), BUT with windows 8. I thought "just buy it and then unistall that piece of malware" so i did buy it. BTW i tried to use W8, but i just failed to turn it off properly, (how in the world the shutdown options are in the charm bar at the desktop under "Settings"!!), to get rid of those pesky apps, to make the Metro less bloated and a lot of etc.

    After one hour of looking for a way to disable UEFI (some shady forums helped me actually) and boot from a windows 7 dvd (changing the order of the boot devices doesn't work) i tried for what it seems an hour to install windows 7. At the very last step i had an error of incompatible hardware. I just went mad, i don't get it how an OS that isn't old (last year was the most advanced windows OS) was incompatible with a brand new laptop. I asked for a refund so i got a samsung instead (not that pretty but the inside is what it counts).

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    1. Re:HP really needs to get it right now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, I just went through this same thing and had no problems. I got a DV6-7215, installed Win7 with SP1, ran several rounds of windows update, and all is working fine. All I had to do was download the driver for the wireless network card, then run Windows Update.

    2. Re:HP really needs to get it right now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sad thing is that HP is really sloppy at consumer hardware right now.

      Fixed that for you. I don't if you've noticed, but pretty much everyone are. Consumers don't want to pay what it costs to produce decent hardware, so it's a race to the bottom. HP is no exception to market forces.

      HP server hardware, on the other hand, is excellent.

      Disclaimer: I work for HP (but not in hardware)

    3. Re:HP really needs to get it right now... by Anon,+Not+Coward+D · · Score: 1

      I got a envy dv6-7280... but with incompatible software :(

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    4. Re:HP really needs to get it right now... by Anon,+Not+Coward+D · · Score: 1

      Consumers don't want to pay what it costs to produce decent hardware, so it's a race to the bottom. HP is no exception to market forces.

      Thanks for the accurate fix. Maybe i'm bad at judging good hardware but i own 2 samsung laptops (the newer has less that a month, the older 3 years) with no issues... even after i usually run heavy simulations on them. That stability along the years has made me trust samsung more than HP and i don't think they are racing to the bottom.

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    5. Re:HP really needs to get it right now... by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      Server hardware - probably.

      My wife uses a high-end HP business laptop, with HP business services providing support, for work. It's an absolute piece of garbage. Refuses to come out of standby. Bluescreens more than I've ever seen a modern PC bluescreen. Locks up randomly. Will take forever, or simply refuse to connect to wifi from time to time. When mirroring to a projector it will sometimes shut off the LCD, and it won't come back on until you reboot. It's been in to HP a half dozen times to be fixed with no improvement. She's not the only one in her department who has all of these problems - constantly.

      Her previous machine - a Compaq, was also a piece of garbage, but it wouldn't bluescreen or lock up, at least.

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  6. Incidentally... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't it a trifle interesting to see the language used to describe the (ostensible) owners of the company attempting to exert control over the people who are allegedly just hired to run it?

    "Shareholder revolt" in the LA Times, "Shareholder insurrection" in TFS, and this was reporting on a vote, taken by shareholders, on the board members(notably, unlike political elections, the incumbent remains in office unless at least half of voting stock votes against them, not by actually having to compete against other candidates for votes). Two of the directors barely survived, at 54 and 55 percent respectively.

    1. Re:Incidentally... by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      That's all part of the corporate culture that treats shareholders, employees, fellow citizens, etc as "little people". The only people that actually matter in that world are upper management of major corporations, lobbyists, corrupted current / former politicians, and corrupted regulators, in approximately that order. This is George Carlin's "It's a big club, and you ain't in it." Journalists spend most of their time with people in the Big Club and depend on their relationships to people in the Big Club for their careers, and thus tend to present the worldview from inside the Big Club (some also erroneously believe themselves to be part of the Big Club, but they aren't, they're PR people for the Big Club).

      This leads naturally to the idea that any challenge to the people in the Big Club from anyone outside it constitutes some sort of insurrection or revolt. The Big Club protects its own, regardless of where that challenge comes from or what the law says about who's right and who's wrong.

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    2. Re:Incidentally... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Well, the large shareholders are the ones who count. Upper management have to answer to them. Little shareholders don't matter much because individually they don't have much clout and aren't involved in decision making except for occasional proxy voting. It's only when they get together as part of a larger group (members of an investment fund) that they essentially get to veto the usual rubber stamp of approval.

      Ie, big owners of the company versus little owners of the company.

  7. does this mean HP needs a scammer to run it? by swschrad · · Score: 2

    so they allege. this would mean they need a crook to resuscitate the numbers. watch out guys, your phones are tapped and they're reading your emails now. and it's not just the board this time...

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  8. HP trying to pull an IBM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hmm - recent acquisitions tied directly to Big Data/analytics stuff...check. Acquiring EDS...check. Putting less emphasis on hardware...check.

    Looks like HP is trying to become IBM!

    I hope it works for them, but I'm worried about losing one of the last providers of half-decent hardware. Forget about the raft of consumer garbage they manufacture or OEM for Best Buy -- their business line of PCs, notebooks and servers is still solid. [1] We use a mix of HP and IBM servers, and almost all HP PCs and laptops. These two vendors, IMO, are the last ones that (a) make a decent, well-built product, (b) have the support structure in place to fix something worldwide when it breaks, and (c) support stuff with a long enough hardware lifecycle. HP is a good compromise vendor -- great hardware with...OK...support. IBM will bend over backwards to fix problems (even if their massive labyrinth of support is hard to navigate on your own,) but only with the purchase of expensive support entitlements and a much higher hardware price. [2]

    But anyway, I just don't see this working for HP the same way it did for IBM. IBM had oceans of money in reserve plus the mainframe business generating truckloads of cash every month to finance their turnaround. Plus, even though they have exited a lot of the customer facing hardware business (POS terminals, selling the PC business to Lenovo, selling the printer business to Ricoh, etc. etc.) they are still doing a lot of their own hardware engineering and own two proprietary platforms (POWER and System z/Mainframe)

    [1] By "business line", I mean the Elite PC line, the EliteBook laptop line and ProLiant servers. I hear tons of people complaning that their HP Pavillion or Envy is total crap and the support is an Indian script-reader. Well, what did you expect for a $299 disposable laptop? If you spend the money you can get decent engineering and support!

    [2] But, with that high hardware price for Flex System, System x and BladeCenter, you get US-based tech support and service technicians who have a clue. Once you find the right resource at IBM, I've never had any complaints with their service. Getting to them is the problem.....

  9. Focus on sunk costs by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

    On the other hand, when a company pays a large amount of money to acquire something, whoever supported the acquisition it is on the hook for proving that whatever they bought was worth the money. One way those people can delay the day of reckoning on a bad investment is to convince the higher-ups that if you just give it more time and money you can make it worth something.

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  10. Autonomy knows math, but not http or html by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Having worked with Autonomy on multiple occasions, my chief complaint is that while their software may be incredibly capable in the math and statistics arenas, they can't do web development to save their souls. A virtually complete lack of comprehension of HTTP, SSL, and HTML is all you can expect from their engineers.

    It's more than the traditional "I don't want to customize my software even though I only have 20 potential clients so I will call it COTS" crap that we all hate so well. They cobble together so many layers of gunk that there is no way for them to understand what is actually happening between their servers and clients leaving them with no way to fix problems even if they wanted to.

  11. Turning around HP by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

    Would be a simple matter of returning quality to their products.
    They can start with their driver software, that alone would raise my opinion of them.

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    1. Re:Turning around HP by archshade · · Score: 1

      My experiance of HP stuff is you get what you pay for. Maybe there decent stuff is slightly overpriced but it's certainley not bad.

      I have had a few friends and family members who have had nothing but pain with there HP laptops (all of them bought them because HP was a "known brand", all of them bought Pavillions and I hated (as the resident geek) every single one. On the other hand my experiance with using HP machines in the workplace has been nothing but good, the elite books seemed always just worked and where perfect for what we used them for. I have also had some experiance with HP lab equipment (scopes/spectrum analizers/signal analizers) and love it, all of these where old though (1980s) but they where all better than the new stuff we had.

      I have recently got myself a probook - It's distinctley OK and I would have been dissapointed with it if I had payed full price but I got it with a university discount. I can not speak about support as part of the discount is that we have to deal with the university student computer service, who are really quite poor. I also had a problem with getting Debian to run on it (wifi, sound and webcam). I probably could have sorted it but took the recomended option of OpenSuse and everything is pretty nifty.

      Never had to deal with there enterprise software so cannot comment.

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    2. Re:Turning around HP by JBMcB · · Score: 2

      I have also had some experiance with HP lab equipment (scopes/spectrum analizers/signal analizers) and love it, all of these where old though (1980s) but they where all better than the new stuff we had.

      That HP still exists in the form of Agilent. They still make fantastic measurement and lab gear. They have nothing to do with the computer side of HP anymore.

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    3. Re:Turning around HP by archshade · · Score: 1

      That HP still exists in the form of Agilent. They still make fantastic measurement and lab gear. They have nothing to do with the computer side of HP anymore.

      Thankyou for this infomation, I have never been in a position where I have had any say in equipment aquirment, and have never had the money to even think about buying the stuff. Saying that I will obviousley take a serous look at the Agilent equipment and if it is as solid, and as easy to use as the old HP stuff I used it will have to have a really good compeititor to stop me recomending them.

      The other stuff that I have used has either been Tektronics stuff or custom made equipment. The Tektronics stuff never seemed bad, but always seemed a choir to use. The custom stuff worked perfectly when it worked, which was unfortunaley this was not as frequantly as I would have liked.

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  12. Fuck HP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Junk computers and shit-tastic enterprise software. I have to use not only a shitty HP laptop for my job but also several of their "enterprise" software packages as part of my job duties. Goddamn, HP sucks ass...

    1. Re:Fuck HP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not on a bet with somoene else's stolen dick, while wearing a wet-suit and a mining helmet...

  13. Feeling the push by dmstevens · · Score: 1

    That's funny--I just got a call from my HP/Autonomy rep last week for the first time in years. In addition to many other failings, Autonomy hasn't done much to keep existing customers happy. Then a big how-are-you-doing, here's-what's-new presentation today, during which I had to mute the phone to hide my laughter at the brag slide about IDOL's amazing ability to extract meaning from unstructured data.

    I'd love for my key app to have a home under a big, deep-pocketed, stable corporate daddy, but HP is not it.

  14. Lobotomy? by Y2K+is+bogus · · Score: 1

    I read that as "HP not giving up on Lobotomy".

  15. surprise? by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    They're still making printers and laptops too and I think we all know they have no business doing that either after their record the last 10 years with them.

  16. O rly? by WedgeTalon · · Score: 1

    You mean just like they were doubling down on WebOS?