Superstorm Sandy Shook the Earth

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Superstorm Sandy Shook the Earth

Posted by Soulskill on Friday April 19, 2013 @05:15AM from the shivers-down-the-spine-of-the-world dept.

sciencehabit writes "When Superstorm Sandy struck the United States on 30 October, it didn't just devastate the Eastern Seaboard, it shook the ground as far away as the West Coast, producing tiny vibrations in Earth's crust that were picked up by seismometers there. Scientists can use this activity to track the path of the storm. Now, they say that analyzing past records of these vibrations may help them discern whether climate change has influenced the amount of storminess over the world's oceans in recent decades."

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well, that's grasping by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:18 · Score: 2, Insightful

It should be simple enough to check for increased or decreased storminess through satellite images and records.
If you're trying to find another proxy then you're not getting the results you want from the available proxies.
1. Re:well, that's grasping by beschra · 2013-04-19 05:22 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  I'll feed the troll.
  One thing that's probably very difficult to measure from satellite images is energy in a storm, which I would think would be an important part of measuring storminess. I'd think that knowing how far the impact extended through the earth would be very helpful in measuring energy.
  
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2. Re:well, that's grasping by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:37 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  As per the article, they're also planning to look at data from the pre-satellite era, and can use seismic data to fill in any gaps in the satellite network.
3. Re:well, that's grasping by Troed · 2013-04-19 05:40 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Here's a graph on total cyclone energy over time. The global warming signal should be easily spotted:
  http://policlimate.com/tropical/global_running_ace.png
  
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4. Re:well, that's grasping by fustakrakich · 2013-04-19 06:00 · Score: 2
  
  Obviously Clinton's and Bush's (both) fault. Under our wonderful new stewardship it's lower than it was 30 years ago :-/
  
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5. Re:well, that's grasping by Hunter+Shoptaw · 2013-04-19 06:12 · Score: 1
  
  I'm just glad that we're utilizing the new standardized "storminess" metric to track global warming.
6. Re:well, that's grasping by Fesh · 2013-04-19 07:03 · Score: 2
  
  Looks like it fluctuates with the sunspot cycle... Needs to be controlled for that to produce any useful conclusions.
  
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7. Re:well, that's grasping by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 10:10 · Score: 0
  
  Here's a graph on total cyclone energy over a climatically insignificant period of time. The global warming signal should be easily spotted:
  http://policlimate.com/tropical/global_running_ace.png
  FTFY
8. Re:well, that's grasping by TapeCutter · 2013-04-19 12:28 · Score: 1
  
  There's also more to measuring storms than just counting tropical cyclones. Tropical cyclones need specific sea surface and atmospheric condition to form, warming things up may not necessarily change their numbers or strength, For example if for some reason upper atmosphere turbulence (jet streams) increased more than surface level turbulence you would expect less cyclones since they cannot form when a jet stream "cuts the top off". However, simple thermodynamics says the atmosphere as a whole will become more turbulent as it warms. The idea in TFA is interesting and worth investigating but insurance records of storm damage are probably a better way to detect any meaningful change in storm damage.
  
  Many climate scientists agree with Hassen's view that mid latitudes will see the largest increase in turbulence. This is because the polar caps are melting and driving cold air toward the equator, while at the same time (and for the same reason) the Hadley Cells (convection currents) are becoming more pronounced, driving hot dry air polewards. The mid latitudes is where they meet (steeper thermocline = more storms).
  
  For the inevitable trolls, it doesn't matter what you believe, your insurance company has been including AGW as a risk factor in it's actuary tables for at least a decade now.
  
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9. Re:well, that's grasping by Troed · 2013-04-19 22:12 · Score: 1
  
  but insurance records of storm damage are probably a better way to detect any meaningful change in storm damage.
  In studying hurricanes, we can make rough comparisons over time by adjusting past losses to account for inflation and the growth of coastal communities. If Sandy causes $20 billion in damage (in 2012 dollars), it would rank as the 17th most damaging hurricane or tropical storm (out of 242) to hit the U.S. since 1900—a significant event, but not close to the top 10. The Great Miami Hurricane of 1926 tops the list (according to estimates by the catastrophe-insurance provider ICAT), as it would cause $180 billion in damage if it were to strike today. Hurricane Katrina ranks fourth at $85 billion.
  To put things into even starker perspective, consider that from August 1954 through August 1955, the East Coast saw three different storms make landfall—Carol, Hazel and Diane—that in 2012 each would have caused about twice as much damage as Sandy.
  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204840504578089413659452702.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
  Here is one thing the industry agrees is true: The cost from hurricane damages is increasing. That's largely because population density and the cost of coastal property increases every year.
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  "Are we really seeing more storms, or are we just recording more storms? That's the big question," says longtime expert Karen Clark, who runs her own risk-management consultancy.
  Clark says the problem is that hurricane prediction is a very young science. She notes that records documenting hurricanes go back only about a century, a data set far too small to draw big conclusions.
  She says after Hurricane Katrina — the most expensive of all documented storms — some predicted a warming cycle would produce more powerful storms. That forecast did not bear out.
  "It just shows you that we just are not that smart, you know, when it comes to what's really going on," Clark says.
  Bill Keogh, president of Eqecat, one of the major risk-modeling firms in the U.S., says that despite what it may seem, we are now in a statistically low period of hurricane activity. After Katrina, few powerful hurricanes have made landfall in the U.S.
  http://www.npr.org/2012/11/04/164185424/insurance-companies-rethink-business-after-sandy
  (Observations trump models. Always)
  
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10. Re:well, that's grasping by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-21 19:56 · Score: 0
  
  > Here's a graph on total cyclone energy over time.
  you forgot to end that sentence with: ... from a delinalist website, with no citation given, just a plot with a name.
  > The global warming signal should be easily spotted
  ... if it went back more than a few decades.
  science is a slave to context man, context.
11. Re:well, that's grasping by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-27 01:43 · Score: 0
  
  omg you observation-deniers are sooo cute! who cares about actual data when you can believe in fairytale fantasies :)
Please stop by Whatanut · 2013-04-19 05:19 · Score: 3, Insightful

Plesae stop calling it "super storm". It was unusual for that area. That is all. It was no where near has large a storm as have been seen in other places.

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1. Re:Please stop by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:35 · Score: 0
  
  Stormzilla 2: Electric Boogaloo?
2. Re:Please stop by ackthpt · 2013-04-19 05:36 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Plesae stop calling it "super storm". It was unusual for that area. That is all. It was no where near has large a storm as have been seen in other places.
  It wasn't even unusual. Storms like Sany shaped the Eastern Seaboard. Why the continued moronic assumptions history began with European settlers?
  I'm an avid hiker and camper, covering considerable area in my exploration. Very often I take the time to examin my surroundings and wonder what forces shaped them. Sometimes the truth is hidden beneath grasses and behind trees, others the truth is fully exposed in rock outcrops, valley floors and mountain ranges. The Earth didn't stop changing, either, it's constantly changing. We're just a bink in the eye of time, though we're doing a marvelous job of paving ground, digging holes and pulling carbon back to the surface.
  Enjoy the ride.
  
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3. Re:Please stop by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:36 · Score: 0
  
  it's called "super storn" because it wasn't a hurricane.
  and "tropical storm sandy" sounds weak.
4. Re:Please stop by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:37 · Score: 0
  
  It was a pretty cool storm though. Basically 3 storms all smashed together into one right over NJ and NY.
5. Re:Please stop by BlackSnake112 · 2013-04-19 05:40 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  It became super storm when it joined up with other weather systems when it hit the north east. Prior to that it was just hurricane Sandy. Also the media needed to make the storm sound very bad to the average joe. Usually hurricanes are not that strong when they hit the north east. Many people would not and did not leave. Calling it super storm Sandy makes it sound worse to make people listen. Many people did not listen and go to higher ground. I know people who work for the Verizon. They had to go in to restore service. On some coastal towns they plowed the streets to clear the sand. In the plow banks they saw bodies. Well an arm or leg poking out of the sand.
6. Re:Please stop by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:45 · Score: 1
  
  Wikipedia says it was the largest hurricane (by gale diameter) ever observed in the Atlantic basin.
  Apparently there have been larger tropical storms in the Pacific. But that's kind of apples and oranges. You could also compare Jupiter's Great Red Spot, for instance.
7. Re:Please stop by TheSkepticalOptimist · 2013-04-19 05:59 · Score: 1
  
  I prefer stormageddon, because everything these days is a 'geddon of some sort.
  
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8. Re:Please stop by Runaway1956 · 2013-04-19 06:06 · Score: 2
  
  "It wasn't even unusual. Storms like Sany shaped the Eastern Seaboard. Why the continued moronic assumptions history began with European settlers?"
  Two thumbs up.
  We're supposed to believe that before Europeans arrived, the Americas were an idyllic paradise, that suffered no storms, no earthquakes, no wars, no famine. Ehhh - Europeans brought all those evils here, along with smallpox and polio.
  
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9. Re:Please stop by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 06:20 · Score: 0
  
  Probably another plow-driver that was on break.
10. Re:Please stop by Hunter+Shoptaw · 2013-04-19 06:23 · Score: 2
  
  Well they were going to go with "Bigger than average storm for this area, but not quite a hurricane," but then marketing got a hold of it.
11. Re:Please stop by ackthpt · 2013-04-19 06:39 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  "It wasn't even unusual. Storms like Sany shaped the Eastern Seaboard. Why the continued moronic assumptions history began with European settlers?"
  Two thumbs up.
  We're supposed to believe that before Europeans arrived, the Americas were an idyllic paradise, that suffered no storms, no earthquakes, no wars, no famine. Ehhh - Europeans brought all those evils here, along with smallpox and polio.
  Geocaching has a type of cache called Earthcache, where to log a find the geocacher must read about some feature, observe and report back to the cache owner. These really are some great eye openers in what is present, but in getting the mind working on how a feature came to be, what time was involved, how climate changed during the creation of the feature.
  
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12. Re:Please stop by Mindcontrolled · 2013-04-19 06:39 · Score: 1
  
  Well, at least it suffered no hordes of burning strawmen back then... ;)
  
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13. Re:Please stop by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 06:47 · Score: 0
  
  It became super storm when it joined up with other weather systems when it hit the north east.
  Ah, sort of like when Robert Palmer joined up with a guy from Chic and a couple guys from Duran Duran and became a supergroup.
14. Re:Please stop by Holi · 2013-04-19 06:55 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  No the whole reason it is considered a super storm is it was th combination of two storm fronts. If they had missed, regardless of the damage it would not be called a super storm. Think of the "Perfect Storm" it wasn't called that because of the amount of damage caused, but because of the potential damage do to the power it produced. And it released an incredible amount of force, just most of it was impacted on empty ocean.
  
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15. Re:Please stop by Holi · 2013-04-19 06:56 · Score: 1
  
  See my response and consider that storms are graded on their potential not actual damage.
  
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16. Re:Please stop by Holi · 2013-04-19 06:56 · Score: 1
  
  And it combined with a nor'easter but feel free to ignore that part
  
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17. Re:Please stop by Holi · 2013-04-19 06:59 · Score: 2
  
  per wikipedia it was the largest hurricane (by gale diameter) ever observed in the Atlantic basin. Kinda makes you look like an ass for your ill informed comment
  
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18. Re: Please stop by mkraft · 2013-04-19 10:09 · Score: 1
  
  It was called a Superstorm partially for insurance reasons. Most if not all insurance companies have higher deductibles for a hurricane than for a regular storm. As it wasn't a hurricane when if made landfall, people decided to call it a Superstorm rather than a hurricane to prevent insurance companies from charging the hurricane deductible.
  The other reason is that it was actually made up of three different storms by the time it hit land, of which Hurricane Sandy was one. That's why some areas got blizzard conditions.
19. Re:Please stop by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 11:14 · Score: 0
  
  they should stop using cute names then. Call a storm skull-fuck you to death storm and I bet people evacuate.
20. Re:Please stop by sexconker · 2013-04-19 11:59 · Score: 1
  
  Plesae stop calling it "super storm". It was unusual for that area. That is all. It was no where near has large a storm as have been seen in other places.
  If it had happened in any other place, no one would have given a shit.
  But since it happened in New York, the media (and New Yorkers) won't stop talking about it.
  It wasn't even a fucking hurricane!
21. Re:Please stop by sexconker · 2013-04-19 12:01 · Score: 1
  
  Wikipedia says it was the largest hurricane (by gale diameter) ever observed in the Atlantic basin.
  Apparently there have been larger tropical storms in the Pacific. But that's kind of apples and oranges. You could also compare Jupiter's Great Red Spot, for instance.
  Then Wikipedia is wrong. It wasn't an actual hurricane. It was a tropical storm.
22. Re:Please stop by Mashiki · 2013-04-19 12:37 · Score: 1
  
  We're supposed to believe that before Europeans arrived, the Americas were an idyllic paradise, that suffered no storms, no earthquakes, no wars, no famine. Ehhh - Europeans brought all those evils here, along with smallpox and polio.
  Yeah people like to conveniently forget too, that during the original decades that the settlers were landing the storms along the east coast of north america were so severe that half or more of the settlers died out on occasion.
  
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23. Re:Please stop by riverat1 · 2013-04-19 12:56 · Score: 1
  
  Sorry but when Hurricane Sandy combined with the other storm by definition it was no longer considered a hurricane or tropical storm. Nevertheless there were hurricane force winds spread out over a nearly 1000 mile diameter as it neared the coast and it was the largest storm of the type ever seen in the Atlantic Ocean. So whether you call it a hurricane or not is just a matter of semantics. It still had hurricane force winds as it hit the coast.
24. Re:Please stop by Hunter+Shoptaw · 2013-04-20 02:19 · Score: 1
  
  Probably because I was being an ass with my comment by making light of the fact that the name of it means absolutely nothing in reality.
25. Re:Please stop by sexconker · 2013-04-22 04:04 · Score: 1
  
  Sorry, but when that particular tropical storm hit the coast it was no longer a hurricane.
  Sorry, but there were no hurricane force winds when it hit the coast.
  Sorry, but when we classify storms for the landfall event, for insurance, etc., we use the landfall event, not what it was days earlier out in the ocean.
  Sorry, but when a storm collides with another storm nothing magical happens, the resulting storm front is reclassified.
  Sorry, but it doesn't matter if it's the biggest storm to hit New York in a long time, that doesn't change the definition.
  Sorry, but it wasn't a hurricane.
PAY ATTENTION TO MY PROBLEMS... apk by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:21 · Score: -1

A corrupt slashdot luser has pentrated the moderation system to downmod all my posts while impersonating me.
Nearly 230++ times that I know of @ this point for all of March/April 2013 so far, & others here have told you to stop - take the hint, lunatic (leave slashdot)...
Sorry folks - but whoever the nutjob is that's attempting to impersonate me, & upset the rest of you as well, has SERIOUS mental issues, no questions asked! I must've gotten the better of him + seriously "gotten his goat" in doing so in a technical debate & his "geek angst" @ losing to me has him doing the:
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A.) $10,000 challenges, ala (where the imposter actually TRACKED + LISTED the # of times he's done this no less, & where I get the 230 or so times I noted above) -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585795&cid=43285307
&/or
B.) Reposting OLD + possibly altered models - (this I haven't checked on as to altering the veracity of the info. being changed) of posts of mine from the past here
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(Albeit massively repeatedly thru all threads on /. this March/April 2013 nearly in its entirety thusfar).
* Personally, I'm surprised the moderation staff here hasn't just "blocked out" his network range yet honestly!
(They know it's NOT the same as my own as well, especially after THIS post of mine, which they CAN see the IP range I am coming out of to compare with the ac spamming troll doing the above...).
APK
P.S.=> Again/Stressing it: NO guys - it is NOT me doing it, as I wouldn't waste that much time on such trivial b.s. like a kid might...
Plus, I only post where hosts file usage is on topic or appropriate for a solution & certainly NOT IN EVERY POST ON SLASHDOT (like the nutcase trying to "impersonate me" is doing for nearly all of March/April now, & 230++ times that I know of @ least)... apk
P.S.=> here is CORRECT host file information just to piss off the insane lunatic troll:
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21++ ADVANTAGES OF CUSTOM HOSTS FILES (how/what/when/where/why):
Over AdBlock & DNS Servers ALONE 4 Security, Speed, Reliability, & Anonymity (to an extent vs. DNSBL's + DNS request logs).
1.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program). A truly "multi-platform" UNIVERSAL solution for added speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity to an extent (vs. DNS request logs + DNSBL's you feel are unjust hosts get you past/around).
2.) Adblock blocks ads? Well, not anymore & certainly not as well by default, apparently, lol - see below:
Adblock Plus To Offer 'Acceptable Ads' Option
http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/12/12/2213233/adblock-plus-to-offer-acceptable-ads-option )
AND, in only browsers & their subprogram families (ala email like Thunderbird for FireFox/Mozilla products (use same gecko & xulrunner engines)), but not all, or, all independent email clients, like Outlook, Outlook Express, OR Window "LIVE" mail (for example(s)) - there's many more like EUDORA & others I've used over time that AdBlock just DOES NOT COVER... period.
Disclaimer: Opera now also has an AdBlock addon (now that Opera has addons above widgets), but I am not certain the same people make it as they do for FF or Chrome etc..
3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF (non-mozilla/gecko engine based) family based wares, So AdBlock doesn't protect email programs like Outlook, Outlook Express, Windows "LIVE" mail & others like them (EUDORA etc./et al), Hosts files do. THIS IS GOOD VS. SPAM M
1. Re:PAY ATTENTION TO MY PROBLEMS... apk by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:40 · Score: -1
  
  Hey everybody, I'd like to apologize for this APK crapflood. I think it's my fault -- a couple months ago I totally decimated one of his incoherent posts and proved his hosts files were slow and ineffective. I must have pissed him off because he flooded my comment with over 50 replies and then started posting shit on every slashdot story.
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2. Re:PAY ATTENTION TO MY PROBLEMS... apk by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 06:36 · Score: -1
  
  LAMO Jeremiah Cornelius you are such a stupid troll. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581857&cid=43276741
What nonsense.... by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:22 · Score: -1

I am sure some idiot 'thinktank' will throw millions away to 'study' this nonsense. And, of course get back an affirmative result. Gotta keep the money flowing.
If you REALLY wonder why nobody takes this AGW crap seriously, read this:
http://politicker.com/2013/04/governor-cuomo-says-boston-bombing-part-of-new-normal/
Wierd Weather by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:27 · Score: -1

This is more of the AGW bullshit, look at recent historical record, Sandy wasn't unusual, the MSM response was as the AGW meme die, much to their discomfort!
MFG, omb
1. Re:Wierd Weather by TemporalBeing · 2013-04-19 05:40 · Score: 1
  
  This is more of the AGW bullshit, look at recent historical record, Sandy wasn't unusual, the MSM response was as the AGW meme die, much to their discomfort!
  MFG, omb
  While I agree the AGW folks will say that the "recent historical record" was just a build up as predicted by AGW...again complete BS as we just don't have the requisite information to even confirm/deny it one way or another; but most likely it's now AGW, just a natural cycle.
  
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2. Re:Wierd Weather by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 16:44 · Score: 0
  
  again complete BS as we just don't have the requisite information to even confirm/deny it one way or another; but most likely it's now AGW, just a natural cycle.
  "They don't have evidence one way or another, therefore I'm right and they are wrong..."
This is ... by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:31 · Score: 0

This is definitely earth shaking news!!!
huh? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:32 · Score: 0

Is it April fools? You got to be kidding!
Jeremiah Cornelius: Grow up by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:34 · Score: -1

Keep embarassing yourself Jeremiah Cornelius http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581857&cid=43276741 since you posted that using your registered username by mistake (instead of your usual anonymous coward submissions by the 100's the past 2-3 months now on slashdot) giving away it's you spamming this forums almost constantly, just as you have in the post I just replied to.
1. Re:Jeremiah Cornelius: Grow up by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:41 · Score: 1
  
  Shut up, Paul.
2. Re:Jeremiah Cornelius: Grow up by Nimey · 2013-04-19 05:58 · Score: 0
  
  Paul... is that Paul Derbyshire by chance?
  If it is, hello from rec.games.roguelike.angband and alt.geek, fuckhead.
  
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Also by sunking2 · 2013-04-19 05:36 · Score: 3, Interesting

Scientists can now detect the vibrations from an ant walking. Ants must be becoming larger, more powerful, and are on the brink of world domination.
1. Re:Also by bluefoxlucid · 2013-04-19 05:40 · Score: 1
  
  There is much truthiness to this storminess.
  
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2. Re:Also by antdude · 2013-04-19 12:13 · Score: 1
  
  Muahahahaha! >:)
  
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News? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:44 · Score: 0

Or did it take 5-1/2 months for the waves to cross the continent?
This by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:46 · Score: 0

I came here to say the same thing. EVERYTHING shakes the world. My typing is doing it right now. Stop saying garbage like that to hype things.
1. Re:This by rwise2112 · 2013-04-19 05:51 · Score: 1
  
  I came here to say the same thing. EVERYTHING shakes the world. My typing is doing it right now. Stop saying garbage like that to hype things.
  Can you please stop typing? I'm trying to pour a glass of water!
  
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2. Re:This by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 06:09 · Score: 0
  
  Whoa, whoa, wait. It's almost like you're saying that every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Seriously, by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 05:48 · Score: 1

I'll never understand the people that are so hell bent against the possibility the global warming is real, man made, and a huge problem that we are facing today.
Say for a moment that global warming isn't real, say it's all a hoax. Would you argue our movements toward a cleaner, more energy efficient way of life is a bad thing?
Global warming is a real measurable fact. There are significant quantities of carbon in the atmosphere that we humans released by burning oil made from carbon based lifeforms that were removed from the active carbon cycle millions of years ago. For millions of years the carbon cycle was burying carbon and removing it slowly from the cycle. Then we came along and released a shit ton of it in a very short period of a couple hundred years. Yes, WE DID THIS, and we can prove it.
1. Re:Seriously, by GameboyRMH · 2013-04-19 06:02 · Score: 2
  
  It's the same old fight against environmental regulations that's been going on at least since American cities were choking on coal smog in the late 1800s/early 1900s and the companies doing the polluting said that breathing it was good for your health.
  
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2. Re:Seriously, by fredrated · 2013-04-19 06:34 · Score: 1
  
  the companies doing the polluting said that breathing it was good for your health.
  You mean it's not good for my health?
3. Re:Seriously, by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 06:41 · Score: 1, Informative
  
  "Global warming is a real measurable fact"
  No, it is not. First - where have you been the last 10 years? Hiding the decline like "Big Academia"?
  " For millions of years the carbon cycle was burying carbon and removing it slowly from the cycle"
  You don't know this. If it was being removed (and not replenished in this ambiguous guess of a time period), it should probably be gone by now, and by the 'sound' argument that a trace gas is somehow responsible for most of the heat retention of the planet, we should by all accounts be a frozen ball of ice.
4. Re:Seriously, by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 07:37 · Score: 0
  
  I'll never understand the people that are so hell bent against the possibility the global warming is real, man made, and a huge problem that we are facing today.
  
  Because if it's a big problem, then that means we have to do something about it, and maybe take responsibility, and maybe everything tomorrow may not be the same as it was for the last century and looking up. In fact, what's more scary, things may be looking bad, and we can't have things looking bad, because we're fucking Americans, and if it's not good today, well, it'll be better tomorrow, fuck you very much.
  
  Say for a moment that global warming isn't real, say it's all a hoax. Would you argue our movements toward a cleaner, more energy efficient way of life is a bad thing?
  
  Sure your fancy future cars are fine, but hey if that doesn't pan out, we've got gas, and gas has worked pretty well for a pretty long time, and surely it's going to keep doing that. Otherwise that means things might be a problem tomorrow, and we don't think about tomorrow's problems. Tomorrow will be better. And if there are problems, tomorrow's people can figure it out tomorrow.
  
  Global warming is a real measurable fact.
  
  Of course it's a fact, but whose fact? If it's one of them there fancy educated snobs, well they have an agenda, and what do facts mean then? Ad homi-what?
  Unfortunately, this is how people think; bitching about "regulation" and "environmental BS" filters through the crowds and the mentally weak start believing it without question. You may think I'm singling out Republicans here for being thoughtless mentally challenged sacks of shit with a penchant for stubborn denialism. But that's a given. The real problem is we're lost in a culture which has no foresight and promotes immediate gain over the betterment of tomorrow.
5. Re:Seriously, by Mindcontrolled · 2013-04-19 09:41 · Score: 1
  
  Why do flat out lies and/or pure ignorance get modded informative these days?
  
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6. Re:Seriously, by riverat1 · 2013-04-19 13:01 · Score: 1
  
  Well, if you want to ask some current people who are experiencing the same thing you could travel to Beijing. I read an article recently that said over 1 million people in China have suffered premature deaths due to fine particle pollution, primarily soot from coal burning.
7. Re:Seriously, by riverat1 · 2013-04-19 13:10 · Score: 1
  
  In climatological terms 10 or even 15 years is pretty meaningless. Natural variation is enough to override a global warming signal in such a short time period. Get back with me in 2025 and we'll talk.
  All you have to do is look at how CO2 levels in the atmosphere has changed over those millions of years to see that the level has been slowly dropping over that time period. It's in the data.
  Without that "trace" gas the planet would be a frozen ball of ice. The main thing that supports the high levels of water vapor responsible for most of the greenhouse effect is the 15-20% of warming that is caused by CO2. Without it the atmosphere would get so cold most of the water vapor would precipitate out.
  I don't know who modded your post +1 Informative, it should be modded -1 Ignorant.
8. Re:Seriously, by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 13:30 · Score: 0
  
  Actually we do know this. The proof is in the oil. All that carbon rich oil was definitively buried and completely cut off from the carbon cycle by miles of solid earth. By tapping it and burning billions of gallons of it a day world wide we are releasing old carbon that has not been part of the carbon cycle for tens of millions of years. That is absolute, incontrovertible fact.
sensationalism by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 06:28 · Score: 1

next thing you know, they'll start saying the explosion in west, tx and the two bombs in boston were supercastastrophic uber detonations that japanese people could feel!
Please stop spamming by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 06:40 · Score: 0

Shut up, Paul
I've got 99 problems but a HOST ain't one by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 06:42 · Score: -1

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski
* POOR SHOWING TROLLS, & most especially IF that's the "best you've got" - apparently, it is... lol!
Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.
Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?
Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.
If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.
I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.
Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.
Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.
I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.
If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!
You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusiv
YUO FA'IL IT by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 07:04 · Score: -1

[idge.net] Usenet is rough7y Poor priorities, And the Bazaar paper towels give BSD credit and mortifying its corpse turned
Agreed... by emag · 2013-04-19 07:34 · Score: 1

Sandy sure rocked my world...

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obligatory comment by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 08:02 · Score: 0

Scientists can now detect the vibrations from an ant walking. Ants must be becoming larger, more powerful, and are on the brink of world domination.

And I, for one, welcome our new aphid-herding hexapodal insectoid overlords.
Sorry, couldn't resist. And yes, I'm perfectly aware that most ants don't herd aphids, and that "hexapodal insectoid" is a bit redundant. Hey, I'm new at this slashdot obligatory in-joke thing, OK?
Seismic detection of east coast hurricane in 1930s by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 08:15 · Score: 0

I have seen articles previously about a hurricane that hit the ease cost in the 1930s which was detected by west coast seismographs. Sandy's seismic activity may not be really that novel.
New York by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-19 12:22 · Score: 0

Sandy was such a problem because the coast it crossed had inadequate storm defences. The risk was known at least a decade earlier. There was no money and no political will to protect particularly New York. The risk was known. This means a Sandy size storm will happen again, as it has happened before. Maybe they should teach natural disaster history in schools.
1. Re:New York by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-20 02:39 · Score: 0
  
  Sandy was a problem for New York because New Yorkers don't know how to SHUT THE FUCK UP. They talk about how NYC is the greatest fucking place on earth and then complain what a shithole it is when it gets flooded because you are 5 feet from water! Face it people, New York City sucks and the sooner we abandon it, the better. Maybe we can relocate all of the idiots from NYC to Detroit, they've got a lot of empty space there.
Apologize for YOUR FAIL Jeremiah Cornelius by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-24 04:02 · Score: 0

APK easily destroyed your "points" here -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3674733&cid=43530007
1. Re:Apologize for YOUR FAIL Jeremiah Cornelius by Anonymous Coward · 2013-04-26 04:38 · Score: 0
  
  Paul, you fail it. Your skill is not enough.