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Taiwan's IP Office Proposes Blocking Foreign Sites Infringing Copyright

New submitter thomas8166 writes "The Taiwanese Intellectual Property Office (TIPO) recently proposed draft legislation that would empower it to block foreign websites that it deems infringing. The proposal has been likened to SOPA, and has drawn heavy criticism from website operators such as Wikimedia Taiwan. The TIPO stresses that it will only target well-known infringing sites, but Taiwanese netizens are concerned that this power can potentially be abused for political purposes."

39 comments

  1. Any blocking for any purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Any blocking for any particular purpose is fit for any other blocking purpose too. And so there is no reason at all, at all, to keep the "but only for this, we pinky-swear with a cherry on top!" promises, especially not to other pressure groups who see the blocking thing and want it, too. Such promises are just words, the blocking is the real thing, of course.

    So we cannot afford to have any blocking at all. For any purpose. Not for "noble" causes and not for plain greed, like here. If you have one, the other kinds will be sure to follow. As they have done elsewhere already. This is not surprising unless you choose to believe that your cause is somehow more special than other people's causes. It is not. You're just human, and have no right to tell other humans what access they should or should not have.

    This is one of the clearest cases yet where we absolutely have the technology but absolutely cannot afford to let anyone have it so they can lord it over the rest of us. For if we let one have it, we let everyone have it. Maybe not right away, but in time, in time. So nobody can have it, not ever.

  2. Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Chinese are worried about other people infringing their IP?

    1. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taiwan, not China.

    2. Re:Wait, what? by Rangelus · · Score: 2

      While they may share a language, a cultural history and a long term relationship, Taiwan and China differ in society, politics, economy, technology, and general development. Aside from silly politics, they aren't remotely the same country.

    3. Re:Wait, what? by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Taiwan is the name of the Island and the Republic of China is the name of the country.

    4. Re:Wait, what? by Rangelus · · Score: 1

      This is true. However, I would add that the name Republic of China is the name of the KMT government, and was brought from the mainland when they withdrew to Taiwan. At least half of the population of Taiwan has lived there for generations, arriving long before there ever was a Republic of China. In Chinese, aside from official statements, most Taiwanese people refer to their country simply as 'Taiwan'. (Yes, there is more to it that this.)

      However, Taiwan is never referred to as simply "China".

    5. Re:Wait, what? by siddesu · · Score: 1

      The Taiwanese. It is a different people, different society and different economy although they look somewhat similar. Hell, Taiwan today is a lot different from Taiwan 25 years ago, when they were the permanent target of 301 and Super 301 sanctions from the US.

    6. Re:Wait, what? by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Bah, you kids, always wanting to rename stuff just to be trendy! Its Formosa now get off my lawn!

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    7. Re:Wait, what? by Sesostris+III · · Score: 1

      It get's better. For international sporting events (etc.) it's called Chinese Taipei. Confused me when this name cropped up in the London Olympics.

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    8. Re:Wait, what? by tqk · · Score: 1

      For international sporting events (etc.) it's called Chinese Taipei [wikipedia.org].

      Cf. PRC.

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    9. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taiwan is a sovereign nation.

  3. SOPA by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    The SOPA deals with IPs especially from America

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  4. Remember Famicom clones? by _133MHz · · Score: 2

    I'm guessing this is the same Taiwan that illegally cloned tons of video game hardware and software during the late 80s and early 90s.

    1. Re:Remember Famicom clones? by aevan · · Score: 4, Informative

      It wasn't illegal. Signatories to IP agreements.

      If I remember correctly, china wouldn't sign if they let taiwan sign, and taiwan didn't hold itself accountable for if china signed. If you wanted your IP protected in taiwan you had to do a release/production there (believe some Japanese artists and such would do a limited on just to get protection from companies like SonMay).

      End result: it's only illegal if it is prohibited by law, and it (foreign IP) wasn't recognised there.

    2. Re:Remember Famicom clones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been told that Taiwan refers complaints on patents and copyright infringement to the main office in Beijing, if they originate from countries that do not recognize Taiwan as an independent nation.

    3. Re:Remember Famicom clones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is hilarious.

  5. Netizen? by bmk67 · · Score: 2

    Netizen? I've always despised that word. I can't be the only one.

    Oh, and Taiwan respecting IP rights? Snicker.

    1. Re:Netizen? by Push+Latency · · Score: 1

      You're not the only one. I still haven't discovered how to stomach portmanteaus like this one, and I don't suspect I ever will.

    2. Re:Netizen? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      It sounds so fucking dated, like a rich white guy wandering in to the projects, asking the kids: "hey, do you like the hip hops? Snoopy Doo is my favourite!"

      Cybernauts! That's the proper name for those of us who surf the information superhighway.

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    3. Re:Netizen? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I despise it too. Along with 'information superhighway' and anything using 'cyber-' as a prefix.

    4. Re:Netizen? by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      The proper name for those who surf is Penelope, unless you have a penis longer than 5 inches or were born on a Tuesday and then its Frederick.

      Oh and while i'm in a correcting mood, its not an information superhighway, its a giant series of tubes from which cats and porn blend to form a double rainbow, unless its the third Thursday of the month and its sunny in which case rule 34 applies and excess trollface is the order of the day.

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    5. Re:Netizen? by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      unless its the third Thursday of the month and its sunny in which case rule 34 applies

      To be honest, if you believe rule 34 applies only on special days you clearly have been visiting the wrong kinds of websites. Or you haven't been visiting enough of the right kinds of websites.

    6. Re:Netizen? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      Call me Fred. It was definitely a Tuesday.

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    7. Re:Netizen? by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Sorry, the rules really do need clarification but sadly the governing board was exposed to 4chan for 16 hours straight and now the only thing they are really good for is drooling on the carpet.

      But on the third Thursday of the month (again only if its sunny) Rule 34 takes precedent above all, which means even the most innocent of websites will be under Rule 34 which will be followed by excessive trollface. Be glad you weren't there to witness what the last occurrence did to the poor Murder She Wrote fan club, many of them were so scarred that support for the right to die went up by 20%, all the supporters had to do was show them the aftermath of that fateful Thursday...poor little old ladies. Although I hear it was nothing compared to what happened to the Pokemon fan club, but at least they are young so a decade or two of therapy should straighten them right out.

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    8. Re:Netizen? by thomas8166 · · Score: 1
      Hi, original submitter here. 2 things:

      1. I was hesitant to use the word 'netizen' as well; I think it's lame too. However, I went with this decision because currently only the Internet users who have a large presence on the BBSes (the ones you have to telnet into) have raised any audible concerns; I felt "Internet user" doesn't really cut it. If you have an alternative, I'll be happy to hear about it.

      2. Unfortunately you're right about the general Taiwanese attitude towards IP. However, that's probably because the recording industry here isn't as ham-fisted as your RIAA, who seems to be suing everybody in sight. That doesn't mean it's never happened before, though; a few years ago a student was sued for uploading MP3 files at my university.

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    9. Re:Netizen? by bmk67 · · Score: 1

      1. Given the ubiquity of internet access these days, "Taiwanese people" would have fit just fine.

      2. Your points about the ham-fisted nature of the RIAA I would not argue against, however I was not speaking about the recording industry, nor was I talking about individuals downloading the latest media or game.

      What I was speaking to was Taiwan's attitude towards commercial "infringement" of foreign IP. I put "infringement" it quotes because it is (was?) lawful under Taiwanese law. I don't know if it's changed - nor do I particularly care how they choose to handle the issue. I just thought it was a bit humorous - the heavy handed approach they're suggesting, given Taiwan's history.

  6. Just make everything illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just do it - you know they want to do it - so get on with it already!

    1. Re:Just make everything illegal by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You make a good point. The problem with making so much stuff illegal is that you water down the effectiveness of the law. When only a few things are illegal then laws are very important. When there is a law against every little thing then the law becomes a joke and everyone ignores it.

    2. Re:Just make everything illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When there is a law against every little thing then the law becomes a joke and everyone ignores it.

      On a plus side, you can now sue anyone you want to.

      Opposing party/competing business doing too well? Unleash the copyright police! There ought to be unlicensed WinRAR or an .mp3 or maybe even wallpaper on one of their PCs. Doesn't even matter, though, the audit itself is a hell of disruption (and of course there are also all the minor misses in fire safety, health regulations, ...)

    3. Re:Just make everything illegal by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

      I disagree, it become far more powerful.
      With many laws you can prosecute and jail any undesirable you want, as we all break half a dozen laws everyday.

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    4. Re:Just make everything illegal by excelsior_gr · · Score: 1

      Precisely. That is why we need more laws. And they have to be so complicated that only trained professionals can understand them. Oh wait...

  7. Ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how much did that cost the riaa/mpaa?

    Can't we kick these guys off the planet yet?

  8. "can potentially be abused" by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

    Bah. There is no "potentially" there at all, everyone knows it would come to that and it would come to that FAST. Just look at MAFIAA, the Finnish Teosto, the French equivalent who's name I can't remember and so on, take a look at how often companies file DMCA take-down requests even for items that are clear fair-use.. I mean, power almost always equal money and when money is involved basic human rights and common decency get to take the hike. At this rate I'm afraid the whole notion of "fair-use" will be completely eradicated during the next few decades and the ability to claim copyright to anything will be removed completely from any entity that isn't already an established multinational super-corporation.

    1. Re:"can potentially be abused" by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      Well, we in the UK won't care, because our government will block 0/0 to eliminate anything porn, defined as "any image contain more than 7 pixels".

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  9. If it can, it will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You cannot put this kind of power into the hands of rulers and expect them to refrain from using it whenever and however it suits them. Just look at Australia, with censorship that rivals what we used to mock as "the great firewall of China"; their initiatives were begun under the guise of protecting children, and now the government has full control over what, when, and where grown adults consume information and media across the web.

    I wait with bated breath for the Aussie government shills who will dispute this.

    1. Re:If it can, it will by grantspassalan · · Score: 1

      There is one thing that ALL governments everywhere crave, and that is power, absolute power over their subjects and possibly others. All governments also know that information is power and that is why they keep wanting to censor the Internet, to keep their subjects as powerless as possible. That is also why governments want to prohibit ordinary people from having guns. Mao, one of many tyrants march across the stage of history said, "power comes from the barrel of a gun". He might have added that power also comes from a computer now that we are in the age of the Internet. Most governments know that they can't easily grab power directly, so they come up with excuses such as IP laws and other laws to "protect the children".

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  10. Taiwan proposes a "China-style block"? IRONIC! by JimtownKelly · · Score: 1

    Ironic because Taiwan is arguably a provincial part of China. In which case the rogue province is moving toward similar practice to that of the Commie Motherland. The ROC is also arguably a sovereign nation. In which case excluding foreign websites might also include standing up to the wannabe Commie Motherland.

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  11. they will abuse these powers thats why they want t by wilfredsatan · · Score: 1

    I wrote this comment in the title box I hate touch scr eens.?

  12. i only write to be read. by wilfredsatan · · Score: 1

    Under no circumstanses ever filter my comments .I can't work commputer so i f you filter my comments I can't undo it please I beg you publish every thing I write all the time for eternity.regard wilfred satan