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65 Years Ago, Manchester's 'Baby' Ran Electronically Stored Program

hypnosec writes that the first ever practical implementation of the stored program concept took place 65 years ago, "as the Manchester Small Scale Experimental Machine aka 'Baby' became the world's first computer to run an electronically stored program on June 21, 1948. The 'Baby' was developed by Frederic C. Williams, Tom Kilburn and Geoff Tootill at the University of Manchester. 'Baby' served as a testbed for the experimental Williams-Kilburn tube – a cathode ray tube that was used to store binary digits, aka bits. The reason this became a milestone in computing history was that up until 'Baby' ran the first electronically stored program, there was no means of storing and accessing this information in a cost-effective and flexible way."

103 comments

  1. ObSwayze... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nobody programs baby in the corner!

    1. Re:ObSwayze... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why is there no +1 sad-but-true?

  2. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Yes, quite. How is the birth of modern computing and something like an old computer in any way interesting to a geek or nerd? What we need here are more inane questions about things that take 10 seconds to Google, or more in-depth articles about what Snowdon had for lunch. Those are clearly the things only a geek or nerd could be interested in!

  3. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How is this relevant to geeks and nerds?

    Surrender your geek card immediately. How is the anniversary of the first run of an electronically stored program *not* relevant to geeks and nerds?

  4. Opportunity missed by mrspoonsi · · Score: 2

    It goes to show that early adopters are not always capitalized upon, perhaps it is understandable when you consider the UK at the end of WW2 had more pressing issues such as cities to rebuild, population to feed (food shortages were worse after the war than during..).

    1. Re:Opportunity missed by madprof · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In one sense it wasn't missed. Machines like EDSAC and LEO followed shortly afterwards but the US had a booming economy by comparison and it was a lot easier for US businesses (with the much larger internal market as well) to grow big on the back of that.

    2. Re:Opportunity missed by jonwil · · Score: 2

      I suspect the UK also didn't go as far because of the sensitivities surrounding anything derived from or connected to the Bletchley Park Enigma work (which is where many of the early British computing pioneers and work came from)

    3. Re:Opportunity missed by Vanders · · Score: 5, Informative

      In retrospect it turns out that the work on the Colossus wasn't really lost; the guys who had built the Colossus still retained the knowledge, even if they couldn't tell others about it directly, but they cross-pollinated places like Manchester and Cambridge with early knowledge and ideas. That in turn gave us machines such as the LEO, was was really a phenomenally successful line of machines and broke new ground in establishing computers are useful machines for "trivial" tasks, rather than something only a scientist would ever need.

      Computing in the UK really had a head start on the US in many ways, but in usual form it was underfunded and lacked vision; in many ways it suffered from the 50's post-war glow that "Britain Will Always Be Great". Once the Americans got in on the act they of course wiped the floor with everyone, and then socialist government meddling in the 60's just about finished off any hope of the UK compan[y|ies] being able to fight back.

    4. Re:Opportunity missed by madprof · · Score: 2

      Not at all. These were not classified, they were in open research environments. The plans for Colossus were destroyed.

      EDSAC was inspired by a trip to the US and a lot of what was developed came from the US originally.

    5. Re:Opportunity missed by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The UK had a thriving computer industry even into the '80s. Companies like Sinclair did well in the home computer market and Acorn was selling desktops that ran a multitasking GUI very cheaply, with a lot of success in the home and schools markets. The decline started as the IBM PC gained prominence. The UK tech companies found it hard to export to the US, and didn't have as large a domestic market. Selling to mainland Europe required translations, so US companies were able to ramp up economies of scale that left them unable to compete. The ones that were successful, such as ARM (an Acorn spin-off) and Symbian (a Psion spin-off), did so by selling through existing large companies that had an established supply chain.

      One of the big problems with getting large multinational companies in the UK is that it's much harder for tech companies to do well on the LSE. A startup in the US wants to get to be worth about a few hundred million and then IPO and continue to grow. A startup in the UK wants to get to be worth a few hundred million and then sell out to a big company. There are a lot of startups in the UK that make it to a few million market cap mark, but almost none that make it past the billion. A lot of this is due to different investor culture, rather than anything related to the people running the companies.

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    6. Re:Opportunity missed by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2
      EDSAC was inspired by a trip to the US and a lot of what was developed came from the US originally.

      Not exactly the whole truth: During the war, computing ideas were shared between Bletchley Park, whose interest was in language relatied stuff, and Los Alamos, whoe interest was Numerical Computing. There were many transatlantic trips, and knowledge was shared.

      After the war, the UK hid all its knowledge for security reasons. In the US, the knowledge was used for commercial profit. Its a cultural difference. The UK was ahead of the US in many ersoects in computing until the Thatcher era, wnen all the industry was trashed, morally and physically.

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    7. Re:Opportunity missed by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      The UK tech companies found it hard to export to the US

      Why?

      Selling to mainland Europe required translations

      Is that a big deal? Especially if you went for a few major languages, like German, first. I would think that European manufacturers would have been more used to the need for translations than American companies.

      P.S. Wish I had mod points to bump up your post.

    8. Re:Opportunity missed by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      in many ways it suffered from the 50's post-war glow that "Britain Will Always Be Great". Once the Americans got in on the act they of course wiped the floor with everyone,

      Isn't this pretty much the story of all great nations? They get into the habit of acting like #1 and before you know it, they're nothing but #2.

      America, fuck yeah!

      What do they say in China?

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    9. Re:Opportunity missed by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Early computers were large and delicate. Not a good combination if it needs to be shipped across the Atlantic.

      Though the "not invented here" factor probably had more to do with it.

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    10. Re:Opportunity missed by SteveAstro · · Score: 1

      Not true. The greater decline in manufacturing came under Blair and Brown. At the end of Mrs Thatcher's time as PM, manufacturing fell from 25.8 per cent to 22.5 per cent, under Blair/Brown, manufacturing accounted for more than 20 per cent of the economy in 1997, the year Labour came to power, by 2007, that share declined to 12.4 per cent.

      That ONS figures

    11. Re:Opportunity missed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do they say in China?

      It translates loosely as, "Tote dat bale, Roundeyes".

    12. Re:Opportunity missed by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      Early computers were large and delicate. Not a good combination if it needs to be shipped across the Atlantic.

      If you can ship it by road or rail without problems, you can ship it by sea.

      Though the "not invented here" factor probably had more to do with it.

      Evidence? Or are you just indulging your prejudices again?

    13. Re:Opportunity missed by Vanders · · Score: 1

      The nations of the world had just spent the past ten years shipping large, delicate items around the world, in a war zone no less. Even if that was a real issue, the obvious solution would have been to build a factory in North America. That is after all how American companies solved the problem of selling tabulators, calculators and computers in Europe.

      The problem with a lot of British computer companies was, as usual, lack of vision. LEO Computers was an offshoot from a bakers; the engineers themselves always thought that they would be "found out" by the "real" computer companies before too long, and it would all be over for them. They were proud of their work, but had a small-world, almost cottage industry attitude. It's no wonder that the Americans wiped the floor with the British and European companies.

    14. Re:Opportunity missed by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      I have no dispute with your figures - but I was referring specifically to the computer industry. Mrs Thatcher and her ministers frequently proclaimed how we were behind the Americans, even though we had more advanced hardware (transputer) and software in many areas. The public proclamations wrecked our comuter industy's image, and made funding impossible to get - even privately - because the perception was that the government did not want a British computer industry - so why invest in it?

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    15. Re:Opportunity missed by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      ICL and similar mainframes were shipped to Africa and Austraiia, and were fantastically cost effective (compared to no computer).

      It may be that the cost of shipping to America made it uneconomic to ship to a country that had a native computer industry.

      In the 60's and 70's selling from one country to another was not a widespread activity generally. People just did not expect to do it.

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    16. Re:Opportunity missed by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The UK tech companies found it hard to export to the US

      Why?

      Because, at the time, the US government would only buy from US tech companies, and most big businesses had their purchasing decisions strongly influenced by what government bought (often for interoperability reasons), which influenced small businesses (for the same reason). Marketing in the USA required a big budget to get national penetration and there wasn't an obvious place to start.

      In contrast, a tech company in California could start selling locally and then just expand slowly into more states. Their existing supply chain didn't need many modifications to sell things one or two states over. A British company trying to sell in the USA needed to establish a foothold somewhere. They needed to ship either components for assembly or completed devices to the USA.

      Selling to mainland Europe required translations

      Is that a big deal? Especially if you went for a few major languages, like German, first. I would think that European manufacturers would have been more used to the need for translations than American companies.

      P.S. Wish I had mod points to bump up your post.

      For a small company, the cost of translation can be the difference between making a profit and making a loss. You need a big investment to sell enough in France or Germany to recoup the cost of localisation. In contrast, a US company had an English-speaking audience on its doorstep and so could ramp up to economies of scale in the tens of millions of units before they needed to consider localisation. At this point, the incremental cost is sufficiently low that it makes economic sense.

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    17. Re:Opportunity missed by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      The UK tech companies found it hard to export to the US

      Why?

      IBM

      Selling to mainland Europe required translations

      Is that a big deal? Especially if you went for a few major languages, like German, first. I would think that European manufacturers would have been more used to the need for translations than American companies.

      P.S. Wish I had mod points to bump up your post.

      It isn't a big deal. The dissolution of proprietary architectures is a natural process. It even occured back then.

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    18. Re:Opportunity missed by mister_dave · · Score: 3, Informative

      Leo was developed by Lyons, a food manufacturer/wholesaler/retailer. There's a very nice book about about it, A Computer called Leo.

    19. Re:Opportunity missed by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Being #2 keeps you out of gun-sights. Don't knock it.

    20. Re:Opportunity missed by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The same thing is happening with graphene now. We always fail to capitalize on our inventions.

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    21. Re:Opportunity missed by PPH · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between putting R&D on a back burner while your economy recovers and taking an axe to what you've got. Over manufactured concerns of national security while the USA goes ahead and builds commercial versions of their version.

      And then there's Canada (nobody starving up there in the 1950s) who had to chop up their prototype supersonic interceptor at Boeing's request.

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    22. Re:Opportunity missed by cold+fjord · · Score: 3, Informative

      Computing in the UK really had a head start on the US in many ways, but in usual form it was underfunded and lacked vision;

      There was a considerable amount of important computer work done in the UK in the early years. For example, when considering Manchester's contributions one shouldn't overlook the pioneering work done with Atlas. But there is far more than that. In some cases you can trace the path of key developments we rely upon today, or that that probably most people have at least heard of, to things developed in Britain through some familiar names.

      A notable example is the computer language, "BCPL", developed by Dr. Martin Richards at Cambridge in 1966. Dennis Ritchie ported BCPL to Multics. Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie used BCPL on Multics and from it derived the language "B". Some early Unix utilities were written in the BCPL derivative B. After additional rework of B, it became C, the heart of the Unix system. And of course C has led to the widely used derivatives C++ and Objective C.

      BCPL was also used by Dr. Richards to develop the portable Tripos operating system, which was used on a variety of minicomputers. As microprocessors become ever more powerful and started forming the basis for powerful personal comptuers, Tripos was eventually selected to became the heart of the Amiga's AmigaDOS operating system.

      BCPL has been available on many systems with familiar names, including (reportedly) the Raspberry Pi.

      Classic BCPL

      To anyone interested in the whys and wherefores of C, a passing acquaintance with BCPL is worthwhile. Viewed forwards through BCPL, rather than backwards through Java and C++, many C constructs, and idiomatic C ways of doing things, just make a lot more sense.

      Beyond its historical importance, BCPL had intrinsic merits. In retrospect, what particularly impresses, is the elegant simplicity of its compiler. This is well documented in the book BCPL: the language and its compiler by Martin Richards and Colin Whitby-Stevens (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1979). -- more

      BCPL: A tool for compiler writing and system programming
      THE PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE B
      The Development of the C Language

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    23. Re:Opportunity missed by cold+fjord · · Score: 1
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    24. Re:Opportunity missed by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Are allotropes, strictly speaking, inventions?

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    25. Re:Opportunity missed by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      After the war, the UK hid all its knowledge for security reasons.

      A classic example of that being the invention of the RSA cipher by a guy at GCHQ. It was locked in a drawer for fear that it would be more use to the Russkies.

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    26. Re:Opportunity missed by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      If you can ship it by road or rail without problems, you can ship it by sea.

      Pity these guys weren't as smart as you, eh? I guess you know exactly which transatlantic railways go up and down with a 50 foot amplitude and which ocean freeways are more prone to sinking.

      Or are you just indulging your prejudices again?

      The mirror is over there ===>.

      You need to stand back a bit (a mile should do) or it won't fit you in.

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    27. Re:Opportunity missed by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The nations of the world had just spent the past ten years shipping large, delicate items around the world, in a war zone no less.

      Delicate? Which of the three things Ike credited meet that description?

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  5. Was it really only 65 years ago? by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wow. It's easy to forget that the entire industry of programmable computers is younger than a lot of ordinary people walking around today. It makes me wonder what entirely new industry I might see develop from nothing over my lifetime.

    1. Re:Was it really only 65 years ago? by FrostedWheat · · Score: 5, Funny

      The surveillance industry.

    2. Re:Was it really only 65 years ago? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Well, it won't be @&!$ flying cars

    3. Re:Was it really only 65 years ago? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why would anybody use Perl in a flying car?

    4. Re:Was it really only 65 years ago? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Wow. It's easy to forget that the entire industry of programmable computers is younger than a lot of ordinary people walking around today. It makes me wonder what entirely new industry I might see develop from nothing over my lifetime.

      Actually no, Computers have been around far longer.

      It's only been 65 years since the first ELECTRONICALLY STORED PROGRAM computer has been around.

      Prior to this, computers existed, but the program they ran had to be set up before hand by moving jumpers and other such things around to perform the desired operations. This could be simply be a tape of punched holes that dictate the operations (e.g., a weaving machine), a fixed function machine (e.g., the 19th century census computers built by a company we know today as IBM). Or even hardcoded (e.g., the Babbage analytical and differencing engines).

      Basically the program to be run was created, the electronics wired for it, then the computer was turned on and the program runs. When it was done, it had to be turned off, reconfigured (or new tape loaded), then turned on again. If you could reprogram them.

      65 years ago, this all changed because now the computer could get its instructions from electronic memory - as in it could load its program off storage into memory, then run it from memory while another program was loaded in after. Or you could "type" in the code into memory and have it run. This allows a lot of things we now associate with a Von Neumann architecture - including code is data and other things. Or, more importantly, the ability to debug as we know it - before debugging involved manually looking over the code and manual execution. Fix the bog, then rebuild the tape/diodes/whatever to have the new bit patterns and then repeat it. (It did mean you basically have to submit a bug-free program).

      But now, with electronically stored programs, you could "patch" the code it runs...

    5. Re:Was it really only 65 years ago? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Prior to this, computers existed, but the program they ran had to be set up before hand by moving jumpers

      Yeah? Well when you did it with gears (that you had to make yourself using a rusty tin-can lid and a blunt file) you can stand on my lawn, mmmkay?

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  6. Re:How by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    It makes sure another generation of CS people dont read too much about:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z3_(computer)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z4_(computer)
    and the life of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Zuse

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  7. Re:How by Vanders · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Z3 and Z4 are great accomplishments, and Konrad Zuse is poorly remembered, but that's nothing to do with the Baby being the first machine to run an internally stored program. It was one of the first Von Neumann architecture machines, which is why it's significant.

  8. How Come.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...this machine isn't even mentioned in the Wikipedia computer entry, then? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer

    According to the wiki, the Germans were first with a calculator, followed by the Americans. The Brits are given a sentence, saying that they built the Colossus, which had 'limited programmability', but that the US machine ENIAC was really the first proper computer....

    1. Re:How Come.... by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia is a source of information but it's not necessarily the definitive source of information.

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    2. Re:How Come.... by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      ...this machine isn't even mentioned in the Wikipedia computer entry, then? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer

      Yes it is. It's in the section on "Stored-program architecture":

      A number of projects to develop computers based on the stored-program architecture commenced around this time, the first of which was completed in 1948 at the University of Manchester in England, the Manchester Small-Scale Experimental Machine (SSEM or “Baby”).

    3. Re:How Come.... by 1s44c · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...this machine isn't even mentioned in the Wikipedia computer entry, then? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer

      According to the wiki, the Germans were first with a calculator, followed by the Americans. The Brits are given a sentence, saying that they built the Colossus, which had 'limited programmability', but that the US machine ENIAC was really the first proper computer....

      Wikipedia is a fifedom not an encyclopedia. Editor's persistance beats facts a lot of the time.

      You should treat wikipedia like the smart guy down the pub who seems to know what he is talking about but he might be just making everything up.

    4. Re:How Come.... by ebno-10db · · Score: 0

      Nice anti-Wikipedia rant, but I already pointed out that the OP was simply mistaken and the article does mention Baby. Don't let that get in the way of a good tirade though. Speaking of facts, do you have any that demonstrate that Wikipedia is less accurate than highly regarded encyclopedias like Britannica?

    5. Re:How Come.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any item to do with Republicans , Democrats , Jeebuz or Bieber

    6. Re:How Come.... by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      Read a wikipedia article about any subject you really know about. Depending on who's fifedom that article falls under it might be well written, or it may be trash. Either way it's unlikely you will be able to improve it without facing protected edit wars, editors using sockpuppet accounts, flames, accusations of bias, power-tripping administrators, and all other imaginative kinds of abuse. There are exceptions but only on articles that are abandoned fifedoms.

      Try adding a well formatted and well written article on a subject that wasn't documented before. It will get deleted as not notible by a power-tripping administrator no matter what. That's hours of work just flushed in seconds by a moron on a power trip.

      I have no idea how this compares to Britannica, I've never tried to edit Britannica!

    7. Re:How Come.... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia is a fifedom

      No. The moditors (or wp:whateverTheEmoAspieFuckersCallThemselves) like to blow their own trumpet. A flute is way too quiet and subtle.

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    8. Re:How Come.... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Speaking of facts, do you have any that demonstrate that Wikipedia is less accurate than highly regarded encyclopedias like Britannica?

      Yes, go and pat your buddies' backs and laugh at them dumbass limeys while drinking beer we wouldn't wash glasses in. Still, I guess we need stronger beer to distract us from each other's teeth, or we'd have died out year ago, right?

      I'm sure that if there was an Encyclopedia Americanica it would be 100% correct. Especially about the age of the Earth and the plural of "tomato".

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  9. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it lays to rest the myth that Americans invented the computer

  10. 128 bytes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would've been enough to store *both* "What hath God wrought?" and "Come here Watson - I want to see you."

  11. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably Chinese food

  12. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It wasn't made by apple, therefore non-relevant.

  13. ... and it was called, The Ripper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or if you like, Jack the Knife...

  14. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Zuses early machines used a mechanical data memory and a tape for the program. This is about the first computer using electrically stored memory and supporting stored memory programs - a Z4 would most probably be more useful in comparison but that doesn't change the fact that the SCEM did two very important contributions to computation machines.

  15. Re:How by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

    Fine, make up your own myths if you like.

  16. Re:How by ebno-10db · · Score: 4, Informative

    it lays to rest the myth that Americans invented the computer

    It does, but it's been many years since the "ENIAC was the first electronic computer" myth was prevalent anyway.

    The post is right that Baby was tremendously important for being the first computer with an electronically stored program. However if you want to debate who invented the modern computer, it's absurd to say that any one person or group did so. Histories are right to trace it back at least as far as Babbage. In the 1930's and 1940's there were numerous people and groups in the UK, US and even Germany (Zuse) that all made important contributions.

  17. Approved by Justin Beaver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Baby, Baby, Baby, Ooh! Baby, Baby, Shiny Lights! Stores few kilobytes!

  18. Re:How by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    And it didn't happen in the USA.

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  19. Re:How by ebno-10db · · Score: 2

    And it didn't happen in the USA.

    Give it a rest. The idea that Americans think Americans pioneered everything is even more of a shopworn generalization than Americans who actually think Americans pioneered everything.

  20. What "computer"? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Are you referring to those ladies with comptometers? Come on, it's 1950's, everyone knows that this contraption is called an "electronic brain". Computers are so a thing of the past.

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  21. Re:How by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

    in-depth articles about what Snowdon had for lunch

    Something posh, I'll wager. After all, he used to be Queen Elizabeth's brother in law.

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  22. Re:How by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    Two words: Al Gore.

    You'll be claiming you aren't all fat next.

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  23. Re:How by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    And it didn't happen in the USA.

    Then--like the Roman Empire and the birth of Barrack Obama--it never happened!

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  24. In days of old ... by Rambo+Tribble · · Score: 1

    ... when geeks were bold
    and punch-cards weren't invented
    we drank our joe
    by the warm tube glow
    and went on quite contented.

    1. Re:In days of old ... by cptnapalm · · Score: 1

      Someone with poetical talent should write the history of early computing as a proper epic in dactylic hexameter.

    2. Re:In days of old ... by Rambo+Tribble · · Score: 1

      No, I'm afraid that wouldn't fit in a tweet.

  25. Re:How by 1s44c · · Score: 2

    And it didn't happen in the USA.

    Give it a rest. The idea that Americans think Americans pioneered everything is even more of a shopworn generalization than Americans who actually think Americans pioneered everything.

    Yet many Americans do believe that the US invented everything and can often recall names and dates to back this up. Yet they have no knowledge of the many times the same thing was invented before. People only know what they are taught so I blame the American education system for that one.

    Amusingly Indians (from India, not native Americans) believe the exact same thing.

  26. Not to be a Doubting Thomas, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is it just me, or does it seem with each passing year, the earliest date in which something is claimed to have happened for the first time gets pushed back a year? Just about this time last year, it seems that it was 64 years ago that the first electronically stored program was run by a computer, and now they're claiming it was 65. Way to revise history, guys. Next you'll be claiming that everyone is a year older now than they were before. Where will it end?

  27. Re:How by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

    Two words: Al Gore.

    Two words: urban legend.

  28. Re:How by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

    Yet many Americans do believe that the US invented everything and can often recall names and dates to back this up.

    Concrete examples?

    Better yet, stats or studies. You can always cite anecdotes of a few people with an absurd misunderstanding of something, but inferring too much from that may be a matter of confirmation bias, or worse yet, over-generalization.

  29. Not possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As all geeks know, space exploration gave us all technology. Before 1957, people were stupid. But as soon as a test pilot went into a tin can in the upper atmosphere, he came back with the knowledge of the gods. I am very suspicious of stories that challenge that. Obviously we had no technology before we went into space.

  30. Turing's Cathedral by bbands · · Score: 1

    In the midst of a history of a similar project at Princeton by George Dyson. Despite the name of the book, Dyson's hero is Johnny von Neuman.

  31. Re:How by beezly · · Score: 1

    "I took the initiative on creating the internet".

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlco

  32. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's hope it also lays to rest the myth that we only have computers because of NASA.

  33. When I first started in this industry... by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I first started in this industry, I worked with Chris Burton who'd worked on Baby (and later led the team which rebuilt it); he had known Turing, as had another man I worked with later. Our team was led by Charlie Portman, who gets a credit in The Mythical Man Month. It's pretty amazing how close we are - two generations away - from the legendary figures who founded our industry, who built the first computers.

    Chris was famous in our team because we had some new Mannesman Tally inkjet printers, which could only print ASCII, and we needed them to print bitmaps. The processor in the printers was one that no-one in the team had any experience of. So Chris took the datasheet for the printer, the datasheet for the processor, a dump of the printer ROM, and a square ruled pad home with him on the train, and came back in the morning on the train with code for a new ROM for the printer, written not in assembler but in the actual opcodes (hexadecimal), in pencil on the pad. We blew them into the ROM and it worked first time printing perfect bitmaps, no errors, no bugs to fix.

    That's how good the first generation programmers were. I am still in awe of that. And he was a very modest man, very generous with his experience. I'm proud to have learned from him.

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    1. Re:When I first started in this industry... by cptnapalm · · Score: 1

      I love stories like this.

      Personally, I think such people should have appellations akin to those of ancient Greek Heroes. I could just be weird, though.

    2. Re:When I first started in this industry... by SteveAstro · · Score: 1

      He, some of MY friends were students when Tom Kilburn was head of CS at Manchester. We went to a lot of the Manchester 50 events, with our baby son. I doubt he remembers.

    3. Re:When I first started in this industry... by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      I think such people should have appellations akin to those of ancient Greek Heroes

      Given ancient Greek tastes in intimacy, that would be especially appropriate for Turing. Shame the British government didn't see it that way.

    4. Re:When I first started in this industry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good or simple?
      modifying code for a printer and having it work "perfect" is a feat, but the target was simple, the code was simple, and the fucntionality was primitive

      I think early programers get props cause, only a few of them existed, not because it was hard, but because no one else cared at the time, and they had to write stuff down in some magic code, which makes them seem like wizards ... in reality its not that hard when theres 4 instructions in the cpu, a dozen of bytes of ram, and you helped design the darn thing from the wire level up.

    5. Re:When I first started in this industry... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      That's how good the first generation programmers were. I am still in awe of that. And he was a very modest man, very generous with his experience. I'm proud to have learned from him.

      Technically, things were also a lot simpler - the ROM was probably only a few K in size, so manual disassembly was a very doable thing. In addition, a programmer had to work at the machine code level - asesmblers were often quite hard to come by (or expensive), so code being hand-assembled was common. Which isn't too bad a thing as there weren't that many instructions to assemble anyhow.

      Instruction sets were simpler (most microprocessors had under 200 instructions, many under 100).

      In addition, the systems were a lot simpler as well - the printer may do something like read a character from the I/O port, then look up the pattern in ROM and then output the pattern to the print head (which was probably a simple write-to-port, delay, write to port, delay, check printer carriage bits (end of line, etc), etc. etc. etc.

      It was all very easy to understand because things had to be simple out of necessity - software couldn't be terribly complex because there was no space, and hardware generally was simple as well - PIO mode being really common. Also, no multitasking or anything.

      These days things are much more complex - you have DMA running doing things (like reading from the I/O port), threads and tasks (even in a printer - because multiple things are going on simultaneously including generating next line of dots, advancing the paper, monitoring the laser or print head, etc).

      Basically, you can still do it all today - we still have 8 bit micros around doing simple tasks whose firmware can easily be hacked apart. Hell, go reverse some Arduino code. And you can easily hand-compile and assemble code as well - it's not that hard. Hello World is trivially simple to hand compile, and even hand-assemble (into a.out - the real masochists will be able to convert it to ELF).

  34. Re:How by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

    Let's hope it also lays to rest the myth that we only have computers because of NASA.

    Sounds like you're creating myths about myths.

  35. Re:How by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Funny

    There's a standard template to apply to any debate about the history of computing:

    The first computer with $GIVEN_FEATURE was actually invented by $GENIUS_LONER who worked for $SOME_INSTITUTION in $CENTRAL_EUROPEAN_COUNTRY a full $N_GREATER_THAN_10 years before $GIVEN_DATE. Sadly, his invention was ignored because of $INSTITUTION_POLITICS, the inventor's $PERSONAL_FAILINGS, and meddling by the $OPPRESSIVE_REGIME. Only a single example of the system was built, and it languished in $DISUSED_BASEMENT, until was unfortunately destroyed during $WARTIME_EVENT.

  36. Re:How by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

    This was the first electronically-stored program. Earlier computers had things like tubes of mercury with vibrations travelling down them to do the same thing.

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  37. Re:How by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

    The urban legend is that Gore claimed he invented the Internet. What he actually said was poorly phrased, and typical of a politician, but no different from Eisenhower saying he took the initiative on creating the Interstate Highway system. Even Vint Cerf and Newt Gingrich have said the the urban legend is silly.

    It's not that I'm a great Gore defender, or even that I mind people using the urban legend as a joke, but it's going too far for the aptly pseudonymous Hognoxious to use it as support for his resentment of Americans.

  38. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like you're creating myths about myths.

    That's just a myth.

  39. Blathering about Manchester University. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    A billion years ago, when I was studying for my Computer Science degree at Manchester University, the design of the Mark 1 and its test machine was certainly on the curriculum. I remember an exam where I had to describe the evolution of ALUs from Mark I to Cray I. Kids these days just get a bunch of Java and Hadoop.

    I don't where 'Baby' came from, I never heard it referred to as that by the staff who worked on it. I graduated in 1990. I don't think I heard it referred to as 'Baby' until I was living in the 'States post 2000.

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  40. Re:How by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    depends on definitions. first electronic binary computer was invented by Vincent Atanasoff, but it was not a general purpose machine.

  41. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It works the other way too! Americans think that Europeans thought the earth was flat, but that is just a 19th century US thing, popularised by e.g. Washington Irving.

  42. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ABC was not a computer.

  43. Re:How by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

    Two words: Al Gore.

    Two words: urban legend.

    I'm reasonably certain that Al Gore isn't an urban legend. But if anyone could prove it, there might be 10 quid in it for charity.

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  44. Re:How by Smauler · · Score: 2

    Amusingly Indians (from India, not native Americans) believe the exact same thing.

    Proof here.

  45. First example of DRAM by metaforest · · Score: 1

    Using a CRT to scan data onto high persistence phosphor, and then use optical sensors to feed that data back to the electron gun created the first dynamic storage system. This machine not only was the first machine with electronic storage, but was the first machine to exercise an example of Dynamic Random Access Memory.

  46. Re:How by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

    It depends how you define 'modern computer'.

    If you mean 'programmable machine', Babbage's Difference Engine is usually credited as the first.

    If you mean 'electronic general-purpose computer', it was ENIAC

    If you mean 'stored-program computer' (which all modern PCs are), then it was the 'Baby'.

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  47. Re:How by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

    'Hello my dear canine friend, since you have expressed a liking of myths, I have endeavoured to place a myth within your myth...'

    And I can't think of a good ending :(

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  48. Re:How by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    aptly pseudonymous Hognoxious

    Well if only I had a capacious vocabulary like you I could have chosen a different one.

    Of course that assumes as a prerequisite that I'm capable of donating an airborne copulatory event.

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  49. Re:How by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Nobody thinks we only have computers because of NASA. It's velcro. Or do I mean post-it notes? I always get them confused because they're next to each other in the dictionary.

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  50. Re:How by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    ... in order to facilitate recursive and/or parallel mythologising?

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  51. Re:How by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

    It works, can't argue with that :-)

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  52. Re:How by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    of course it was, look up the definition of computer sometime.

  53. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ABC was not a computer. No one with any knowledge of the history of computing would call the ABC a computer: the word "computer" in that context is always taken to mean a general purpose computing device, and the ABC does not fit into that category: it was an electronic calculator. If you want to count the ABC as a computer than you have to also include a whole bunch of similar non-general purpose computing devices alongside it, including many which came before the ABC.