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Xfce, LXDE, GNOME3 Desktops Running On Ubuntu Mir Via XMir
An anonymous reader writes "Through the use of XMir, a translation layer for running legacy X11 applications atop Ubuntu's forthcoming Mir display server, the GNOME Shell, Xfce, and LXDE desktops now run on this X.Org Server alternative. With XMir, the traditional window managers are still running while Mir treats these desktops as a single window."
gr8 b8 m8
what about mirWayland, or waylandMir?
Cool
Finally USB Display functioning?
Does KDE not work with this for some reason, or do these people just not like it?
Thousands of distros, tens of DE's and WM's, lots of different graphical toolkits, tons of libraries with significant overlapping functions, tons of system utils that do similar things, 6 or 7 common http servers, but TWO graphics servers? FRAGMENTATION! It's all gonna fly apart!
You dumbass.
Hideki!
there are actually at least 8 X servers
I mean that in the nicest way. X is obviously on the way out (long term), and something has to replace it. XWayland looks promising since it got an early lead, but I appreciate the fact that Ubuntu has made dealing with video drivers easy, and I imagine working with Valve has given them some insight to what they think is needed. I disagree with some of Canonicals positions in other areas (systemd), but I'm patient enough to wait and see a victor emerge eventually. And hopefully we can avoid a bigger fiasco than what happened with KDE4 when X starts to become deprecated.
You understood it. Nowhere in the title or summary does it say anything about FOSS.
...except X.org is just another Xserver. It's not an entirely new protocol. This is why X servers and clients from a variety of Unixen and non-Unixen can all talk to each other.
It's like HTTP.
Mir is more like Microsoft trying to create it's own web browser protocol.
You should really follow your own advice.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
OMG! It's worse than I thought! The Linux ecosystem, it's crumbling right in front of us!
Truth. He is indeed a master baiter.
Violence is like duct tape. If it doesn't solve the problem, you didn't use enough.
http://test.ubuntu-discourse.org/t/non-unity-desktops-now-running-on-xmir/479/2
Making significant headway with Mir, it probably won't be long till Red Hat hires this Canonical developer out from under them to put a kibosh on the project.
We already have that with X11. Hello higher performance 3d rendering pipeline. Never know, maybe one day the free desktop will catch up to where NeXTSTEP was in 1988.
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
If you understand the title of this story, I'm pretty sure you've never had sex.
I understand the title and I am quite sure that I get more sex than you do.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
The story is specifically about avoiding fragmentation, adding compatibility layers, so even if you don't develop for Mir it will run there. Maybe you meant goodbye fragmentation?
All the software mentioned is FOSS.
Don't be ridiculous; the whole idea of Mir and Wayland is to speed up the desktop, as X is horribly obsolete and slow. This "XMir" is just so X stuff can be run on Mir until it gets updated to run on Mir directly.
Of course, there's a whole separate issue which is that Mir competes with Wayland and fragments the Linux infrastructure, but this doesn't affect speed.
The lower the level, the worse fragmentation is. Who cares how many text editors are out there, for instance? It doesn't matter, because you can use any of them that you please.
But lower down the chain, fragmentation becomes more of a problem, because things higher up the stack rely on standardization below them to work.
How many Linux kernels are there, for instance? Only one. (There's some different versions, but they're all compatible with each other as far as running application code.) (There's also *BSD and HURD, but those aren't used nearly as much, and at least one of the BSDs actually has a Linux compatibility layer to run binary Linux applications.) Until recently, there was only one display server, X; so graphical applications and toolkits only had to work with that. Then along came Wayland, which promised to fix a lot of problems with X; this wasn't so bad: most of us knew that X was long in the tooth and a replacement had to come sooner or later, so having everyone transition from the old to the new was a doable thing. But now, stupid Canonical had to decide to fragment things with Mir, which does mostly the same thing as Wayland but in an incompatible manner, so who knows what's going to happen.
Anyway, back to your other complaints: different libraries aren't a problem. Using one library doesn't interfere with using another; applications just use whatever libraries they're linked against. System utils doing the same things isn't a problem: use the one you like, the others aren't going to keep you from doing that. Different HTTP servers is a good thing: use the one you like. Choice is a good thing, not a bad thing, as long as things are compatible. Graphical toolkits are a little lower on the stack, so that is a bit of a pain having more than one, so it's a balance between choice and standardization. Having two main ones doesn't seem so bad; 6 or 7 of them would be more of a problem. (There's more than 2 graphical toolkits, but only 2 of them are really in widespread use in Linux-land.) DEs are higher up the stack than toolkits; use the one you like. There's nothing preventing you from using KDE apps in GNOME, and vice-versa. However, DEs are lower than regular apps, usually have a lot of stuff integrated, and are the "face" seen by users, so it would be nice if Linux had its act together better in that regard. Of course, when a DE is tied directly to an incompatible display server, that really fragments things.
BTW, last I heard there were at least 3 or 4 different graphical toolkits for Windows (Win32, MFC, .NET), and those are all from the same company.
You don't know much about software, do you?
X.org wasn't a different display server, it was a fork of XFree86. Not only did it use the exact same protocol, it even used the exact same code (at least at first, though they added some new extensions later after everyone dumped XFree86 and switched to X.org).
No one (except a few morons) said that the X.org fork would be the "demise" of Linux. I remember the whole thing quite well; everyone was relieved that X on Linux would finally stop stagnating, and get some much-needed new development without that idiot Dawes holding everyone back. Within a very short time, all the distros had switched to the new fork and XFree86 became nothing more than a memory.
I remember my little brother's class was discussing something topical one day, and after getting excited about the subject my little brother was begging the teacher if he and all his class mates could "have a mass debate over the issue"....in all seriousness. Such a cute, innocent kid (about 13/14 yro at the time). The teacher, after desperately trying to hold it in, exploded in laughter. Good times.
Perhaps he's worried our 1.26% share of the desktop market might slip?
(I slept through it. Did anyone happen to notice just when Linux beat W98 in the Desktop stats? Or PPC, I'm not proud.)
Had sex once. Got bored halfway through. Went back to my Linux box. Much more interesting than trying to find nontrivial words in a language with only two words, In and Out, and one form of punctuation.
Follow the thread man. Follow the thread.
nah, we just have.deb based or .rpm based. some whackjobs use kooky shit like arch or gentoo but numbers are in the "statistical noise" range.
("are you chinese or japanese" -- Hank Hill to Laotion)
Except Wayland is being developed by 15 year X devs that understand windowing systems, and engineers. Mir is being developed by developers.
what was that saying about developers and engineers. Windows was written by developers, Unix was designed by engineers?
http://test.ubuntu-discourse.org/t/non-unity-desktops-now-running-on-xmir/479/2
This is one of those software Rube Goldberg contraptions, is what I would say if we were not talking about the land of Star-NIX, which since we are, EVERYTHING is a bloody Rube Goldberg contraption, so that assertion is really as significant and meaningful as running into a bunch of people frolicking in the sunshine and announcing that the sky is blue. It'll get a few people's attention for a second, but only because they're expecting the statement to be followed by some species of punchline, and are waiting to see if the joke pays off.
When I started screwing around with Linux, I cobbled together a bunch of scripts and managed to get my computer to make me breakfast, which was amazingly cool, but I did it from the command line, and while trying to extract the command to a text file, I accidentally deleted ~/.bash_history, and couldn't remember how the hell I did any of it. After that I had a bit of a nervous breakdown, and now I can barely remember that in BASH, 'cd..' doesn't work without a space character or an alias command to obviate the space, (which was once the first thing I did after a fresh install, that and making 'la' do 'ls -laFX --color=true' or whatever. Like I said, can't really remember, and colorls is now default anyway, saving me the trouble.
HEY EVERYONE! Aside from the lack of consequence-free fuck-fests going on behind the bedroom doors of every other house in America, aren't you GLAD it's not the sixties anymore, and we aren't on THAT side of the advent of Unix, etc., and all its descendants and their creamy goodness!
Woo! Great trade. Actually, I wish it were still the late 60's, when people gave a shit and you could fuck freely and the worst thing you might have to do is buy someone breakfast after. Now there's global warming and AIDS and SHMAIDS and BLAIDS and SARS, and H2N99 and 17 year Cicadas and Super Asian Mosquitoes and black mold, and of course mass shootings every few days with assault rifles, and people screaming about how the US president is a NAZI, and somehow at the same time a Commie, while also finding the time to be both a secret atheist and a Crypto-Muslim while conspiring with Israel to murder all the puppies and kittens... (particularly weird for a Muslim, but I digress,) and 24 hour News shows that ironically show no actual News anymore, 24 hours a day.
Fuck, I miss the 60's. All you had to worry about was Commies and maybe gonorrhea. Penicillin still fucking worked. Sorry, just waxing nostalgic.
But yeah, this desktop that can run Ubuntu is cool too. Sure. Why is it cool again? I've forgotten.
The minute Canonical manages to get commercial driver support for lots of stuff I don't think you will be whining as much. Linux is built around choice, nobody forces you to use Mir or Wayland. So just choose whichever you like the most. And there are several Unix kernels, Linux being one of them. Trying to make a category of Linux in itself won't fly. OpenBSD was tough competition and you cannot go lower down the chain than this. It all worked out in the end, people like Gentoo bringing ports functionality from BSD.
Hell if anything I believe GTK+ and Qt were truly an issue at some point, and even then it all worked out. Fragmentation is what makes Linux extremely awesome. There is a zero bs attitude from users and developers and we have seen that quite a bit with OpenOffice and Gnome.
Never know, maybe one day the free desktop will catch up to where NeXTSTEP was in 1988.
Well, OS X/NeXTSTEP will almost have a file manager that's not completely brain damaged next release. It only took them 25 years.
Impressive troll.
Starts off sort of coherent then starts to ramble, then launches into full on irrelevant random WTFery.
There are plenty there, just not included in the base OS. Unless you count the command line.
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
I understand the title and I am quite sure that I get more sex than you do.
I keep telling you: it doesn't count if they're dead!
Though there is something to be said for such relationships: you never have to worry about your "partner" leaving you. And, they rarely argue, which is great for domestic tranquility.
How many Linux kernels are there, for instance? Only one. (There's some different versions, but they're all compatible with each other as far as running application code.) (There's also *BSD and HURD, but those aren't used nearly as much, and at least one of the BSDs actually has a Linux compatibility layer to run binary Linux applications.)
http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
Because we use Glibc the portability problems are very simple and most times it's just a matter of copying a test case for "k*bsd*-gnu" from another Glibc-based system (like GNU or GNU/Linux).
So, not really a problem if you have similar POSIX interface. How do you think Cygwin works?
If Mir becomes superior to X, X may get replaced. But I would not hold my breath.
But now, stupid Canonical had to decide to fragment things with Mir, which does mostly the same thing as Wayland but in an incompatible manner, so who knows what's going to happen.
All projects that have tried to replace X so far has failed miserably, so I'd say the odds are against both of them. If Ubuntu can do it as quickly and easily as they think then more power to them, but I'm not holding my breath. The Wayland people are mostly seasoned X.org developers, I think they know better how complicated it really is. Either way I'm curious to see what Android AIOs will do to the market, give it a big screen, keyboard and mouse then what happens? I'm not so sure X or Wayland or Mir is a requirement to winning the desktop, at least it didn't look that way for smartphones/tablets.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Man, I remember when one of my friends was so happy to have just received his masters degree, he tells us, a group of his friends, that now we have to call him master. Right away, I say, "Sure, we'll call you master. Master Baiter". After that, whenever we actually do call him master, he always says "Shut Up".
Sleep your way to a whiter smile...date a dentist!
/bin/ls and friends are part of the base OS. What else do you need?
Good god you're making me feel old. Not only have all the big three BSD OSes had Linux binary emulation for a long damn time... but I distinctly recall writing how-to's for a couple of them (that bounced around the internet and got translated into many languages I don't speak) some time LAST MILLENIUM.
No exaggeration there. The date on OpenBSD's compat_linux man page is March 1995. FreeBSD may have been a couple years earlier.
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
So, not really a problem if you have similar POSIX interface. How do you think Cygwin works?
Very, very poorly.
I remember the opposite, switch from XFree86 to Xorg was welcomed by the users instantly, as XFree86 succumbed to the same disease as the original X Consortium that XFree86 was an alternative for.
So what happened to the punch line where you sell your tape backup solution?
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Ah yes. I read the comments a bit sloppily. Thanks.
i had sex once and can guarantee that's infinite many more times than you ever will without paying for it.
Had sex once. Got bored halfway through. Went back to my Linux box. Much more interesting than trying to find nontrivial words in a language with only two words, In and Out, and one form of punctuation.
Oh come on now! That's enough for binary; you should be able to say anything!
So basically we have an outdated interface and replace it with some added complexity, then another layer which gives us the same outdated interface.
For a while there I had to make a choice between XSun or X.Org during installation. For the first couple of builds XSun was the better option, but then X.Org surpassed it in performance, ease of configuration and all 'round compatibility.
Years before that I had used XFree86 to varying degrees of success in config over the years on different instances of the OS. ...and before that ....what X server did I use....my memory ain't what it used to
But think of something like FreeDesktop.org: it's possible for project to work together on standards in order to guarantee that other layers in the stack would indeed treat the layer next to them as interchangable.
So it's really less about technical difference than about a vibrant will and culture of cooperation. It's very unfortunate that there are sour grapes on various fronts: Canonical has gone about Mir quite poorly, and it's unclear at this state if there is a will for compatability on Wayland and Mir teams, although this may change in the future if both become popular and users demand it.
Note that this refers not only to layers "above" but also layers "below". For example, it's not just enough that Wayland and Mir share a compatible API for servers like XMir/XWayland to run on top, but also that they allow for using the same video drivers. In this particular case, the layer below (drivers) is so problematic that it's the important one to focus on.
Higher performance than what? With DRI/DRM, X11 based systems consistently get the best framerates for given hardware compared to other OSs. Hard to argue there's much room for improvement there.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
So i guess Mir is going to actually work then har har har
Made up story. I know this because:
a) The circumstances are a variant of a very common joke.
b) 13 and 14 year old kids would know the word, and would have themselves realized the double entendre.
c) Kids would not ask to have a "mass debate", that specific phrase being used is implausible.
d) How would you have been there to observe said events?
Made up story. Loser.
It still improves Windows immensely.
as X is horribly obsolete and slow.
Oh for heaven's sake, not this again!
[Citation needed]
Oh and here's mine:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=357678
So, if X is so horribly slow and "obsolete" how come it gets better frame rates than anything else?
Seriously, for high performance stuff, Xorg (via DRM/DRI) basically allows a shared library to dump data straight at the graphics card without even the kernel; getting in the way for most of it. That is very efficient, and why X gets as good (and slightly better) frame rates than other "non obsolete" operating systems.
And do not even try to claim that this is somehow a new thing. On and off since it's inception, X11 has been the top performing GUI system (SGI in the 90's and according to the benchmarks Xorg now).
X11 deals with all the grotty stuff round the edge that isn't the domain of the graphics card very well, like wrangling windows and pointers, dealing with copy/paste and communication between clients, and also, of course, remoting. And it also knows when to get out of the way and let the efficient stuff be efficient.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
millenium - a thousand anuses, from latin 'anus'
millennium - a thousand years, from latin 'annus'
FCKGW 09F9 42
Sucks to be circumcised. A trombone can play more notes than a vuvuzela.
The minute Canonical manages to get commercial driver support for lots of stuff I don't think you will be whining as much.
Whatever makes you think that? Nvidia and AMD have had commercial drivers for years and people keep on whining for all the obvious reasons like impossible to debug crashes, EOLing support for heardware early, slow to update to new kernels, poor support for "new" features like xrandr and so on.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
I mean, the Linux community has been bitching about this too. It sounds like an Nvidia Optimus laptop. The fact of the matter is that Nvidia is the villian in this story, not Linux. Search around a bit (hint: maybe Linus has a thing or two to say).
Polishing a turd still leaves you with a turd in the end.
Using Xorg.conf for xinerama config, while maybe not ideal for grandma, wasn't terrible, and you only did it once. But, for folks like you, there is now xrandr which you can setup via xorg.conf, use your WMs hooks into it to do it all gui-ish, or just run shell commands to setup your multi-monitor layout (since it would be trivial to write [hell you could do it in a short shell script], there is probably a daemon available that will auto add a monitor when plugged in and remove it when unplugged, but I am not familiar with it if it exists).
Unfortunately xdmx only works with xinerama, and newer graphics cards only work with xrandr, so in a crappy transition period now for this. But, if you ever want to setup a video wall with 100 monitors acting as one unified display, xdmx is probably the only game in town.
You had me at "Just right click and click output to and select multi-monitor". Phew that was easy.
Except you didn't say that. What you propose is something that Linux was known for in the 90s, really shit complicated and borderline unusable multi-monitor support.
How many Linux kernels are there, for instance? Only one. (There's some different versions, but they're all compatible with each other as far as running application code.)
Distros generally have their own kernel build, so it practice there's a ton of kernels out there, and there's generally little if any back-compat in the kernel, and certainly no ABI compatibility (see Grek KH's readme where it is claimed that it is impossible to do, which I always found amusing, seeing as FreeBSD retains ABI compatibility with Linux). Oracle has what it amounts to its own kernel with extensions and whatnot only available to OL. Red Hat generally stays on a given kernel version and backports to it, etc.
(There's also *BSD and HURD, but those aren't used nearly as much, and at least one of the BSDs actually has a Linux compatibility layer to run binary Linux applications.)
a) Each BSD has its own kernel. b) AFAIK only FreeBSD has the Linuxulator. c) Neither HURD nor the BSD kernels are in any way related to Linux.
Until recently, there was only one display server, X;
X11 as in Xorg, Xfree, XSun, and the others? X11 is a protocol. There were alternatives to X11, mind you: Y-Windows and various Frambuffer-based systems, but none were used much. Oh, and of course, Xorg with Nvidia drivers (which replace a fair deal of the underlying Xorg stuff with Nvidia's own stuff) and without.
so graphical applications and toolkits only had to work with that.
Let's forget about the various libraries between Xorg and those graphical applications that the various toolkits (GTK, QT, WxWidgets, EFL, SDL, OpenMotif and I know I'm forgetting a few) that graphical applications link against, link against.
But now, stupid Canonical had to decide to fragment things with Mir, which does mostly the same thing as Wayland but in an incompatible manner, so who knows what's going to happen.
So you're saying that fragmentation is well and good unless Canonical does it?
Using one library doesn't interfere with using another; applications just use whatever libraries they're linked against. System utils doing the same things isn't a problem: use the one you like, the others aren't going to keep you from doing that.
Of course there's the matter of having all kinds of junk that does the same thing in different ways littering the system, but nobody cares about that.
BTW, last I heard there were at least 3 or 4 different graphical toolkits for Windows (Win32, MFC, .NET)
I don't think you understand what a graphical toolkit is.
Making significant headway with Mir, it probably won't be long till Red Hat hires this Canonical developer out from under them to put a kibosh on the project.
Significant headway? This is just X11 and Mir side by side using XMir. Something like this is possible with Wayland since at least a year, maybe even since 2011. For proof of running X11 applications under Wayland via XWayland see the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/waylandweston/videos
Yeah but now it's SHINY.
Soon these Desktops will need wayland. so they need to run wayland on Xmir to run Xfce. Have a lot of fun...
You know, your sarcasm might come off better if the fragmentation of X servers wasn't demonstrably 4 times worse than you thought. Your response just makes you look even more of a dumbass than your original "comment" and I use the term generously.
Until the application you want to run no longer supports X. But you need X for it's remote display capabilities...
Only one Linux kernel? No, that's not right. Many distributions have custom modifications in their kernels. For example, Red Hat used to use a bastard of a kernel which was basically 2.4 with 2.6 improvements stapled to it. Then there are distros which strip out non-free elements. Then there are kernels with extra drivers tossed in or minor patches applied. This not only means hardware support varies a great deal between one distro and the next (not to mention between versions of the same distro), but it also means some programs will run differently depending on which kernel is running on your distro. There are many forks of the Linux kernel and it is a real pain to support. These forks may re-base off the mainline kernel on a regular basis, but they still represent development and support problems.
I dont think this is trying to force proprietary libraries. Its just trying to add something new with a compatibility layer for the old.
The Quote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIctzAQOe44
Of course, using direct rendering, specially on a full screen application, you're bypassing the X server and it's slowness as much as possible.
Are the designs (Mir, Wayland) more amenable for creating cross-platform libraries. Maybe the new stuff brings us closer to display libraries that can hop operating systems.
Of course, using direct rendering, specially on a full screen application, you're bypassing the X server and it's slowness as much as possible.
Firstly full screen has nothing to do with it and secondly, I don't get your point.
Any windowing system needs to be able to get out of the way as much as possible for maximum performance. Xorg already does that, thus making the claims that any new system will be faster a bunch of crap.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
It won't work as binary - you can't really get it out without putting it in first, so, "Out, Out" or "In In" is not really a valid sentence.
If you can make XMir, why shouldn't you be able to make a tripple protocol display server. Mir and Wayland in the same server. Is that possible? Perhaps Surfaceflinger as well to support Android Apps.
Err, no.
DRI get X out of the way a lot, but there still areas for improvement.
Besides using DRI for rendering (or doing it client side), once done rendering a frame, the X client needs to notify the X server so it can notify the X window manager so it can do it's job and notify the X server again so the frame can actually finally show up on screen on the correct place.
And while in theory an X server could do this very quickly and efficienty, the real X.org server is quite slow.
Clients also need to talk to the X server over other things like object property manipulation.
Once more, in theory an X server could handle this quickly and efficiently, the real X.org server is quite slow.
(And full screen does help, as there's less of this going on).
All in all, Wayland won't get you higher frame rates in Portal. But it will make your desktop smoother, with less CPU/GPU usage.
And still Windows takes more than 5 times the amount of hard drive space, even before installing updates on it.
Wayland specifically isn't just about getting out of the way to speed up rendering, but to throw out old bad assumptions that cause ugliness in the brief time rendering does take to catch up.
Resizing a window is bad in Windows XP and before, worse in X, and excellent in OS X, it's not the rendering speed, it's the ugliness as the rendering catches up (random flickers, fills with gray, or old textrures off the top of my head).
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
I once had a friend say a shower would feel golden. Good times.
make a bad joke and get modded "insigthful"......yeesh.......
That's already fixed in X, it's called Backing Store, and as long as your toolkit/application actually bothers to use it, it looks lovely. Try moving some xterms around in front and behind each other really fast and see how smoothly they update, then compare with some cruddy GTK apps.
Doesn't Wayland make it three graphics servers? Not that your point is any less valid.
...the whole idea of Mir and Wayland is to speed up the desktop, as X is horribly obsolete and slow. ...
A load of crap. I speeded up my X desktop immensely, even astoundingly, by not running Unity/Gnome/KDE in favor of FVWM. Very snappy. Oh, except for all those C++ apps with their bah-zillions of constructors going off prior to displaying anything & for which Mir/Wayland will show no improvement.
OTOH, I just *love* how those who allege "X is horribly obsolete and slow" make the claim without supporting evidence.
I predict that Mir will last a lot longer than we all expect despite being made on a budget and falling to pieces by the end of its life. It will then fragment and what's left will end up in the south Pacific.
Actually, this one is true! Of course, I have no way of definitively proving that.
It does sound like it should be a common joke, doesn't it. We grew up in a very small country town in outback Australia. Total population of 25. I was one of eight kids. My cousins down the road were an eight kid family too. Together we made up most of the population of our town. =D
The internet wasn't a thing in this town - too remote. So no, 13 - 14 year olds in the middle of whoop-whoop belonging to a Christian family did not know the meaning. Our teacher did know the meaning - so did some of the more 'connected' high-schoolers. My brother did most certainly ask for a "mass debate" completely innocently. =P
I was there to observe said events because I was doing year 11 and 12 of high-school via distance-learning (learning with books and ringing teachers in cities for 'lessons' over the phone). Since our school consisted of two rooms, I could see and hear everything that was going on.
Anyway, hope you enjoyed hearing about my past. =P
Cool story, bro!
Hey, man, I don't care if you say your dog liked it... he is an animal, and that's wrong.
Tough Troll, sticking your dick in another man's asshole isn't the kind of sex we're talking about here. I'm sure you enjoy it, but most of us wouldn't. Nice try though.
Higher performance than what? With DRI/DRM, X11 based systems consistently get the best framerates for given hardware compared to other OSs.
Actually, you don't. You believe that you do, either from reading pro-Linux propaganda posted elsewhere on the Internet, or via improperly conducted testing. (Running a game in Linux at 1024x768 with no anti-aliasing, compared to Windows at 1920x1080 with 4X MSAA enabled and thus declaring Linux the winner).
Great, there's one problem down. I guess, except not really.
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
-1, I don't get it.