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Man Builds Fully-Functional Boeing 737 Flight Simulator In His Son's Bedroom

laejoh writes "An aeroplane enthusiast has taken his obsession a step further than most after using his son's bedroom to build a Boeing 737 flight simulator that exactly mimics the real thing. Laurent Aigon, 40, from Lacanau in France, has spent the last five years collecting and buying components from around the world with best friend and fellow enthusiast (obviously) Jean-Paul Dupuy. The pair spent thousands of euros on internet orders for bits and pieces to construct the simulator – which is so realistic that the Institute of Aircraft Maintenance at Bordeaux-Merignac Airport asked him to give a lecture on his achievement. Mr Aigon has since schooled himself in all the procedures for take off and landing and says he is able to fly his 'plane' just like a real-life pilot."

128 comments

  1. Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? :-) by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But aside all that, what a GREAT dad!

    Pretty cool. Guess after SFO, he's glad it wasn't a 777.

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  2. Awesome dad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now witness the capabilities of this fully operational 737 flight simulation!

    1. Re:Awesome dad by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1, Funny

      Just better hope he's not middle eastern, otherwise homeland security might confiscate it.

      (Yeah I know, a very un-PC joke, I level them all the time against my Iranian friend so I'm used to it.)

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    2. Re:Awesome dad by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      He's... French. In France. Please tell me that's sleep deprivation talking or something.

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    3. Re: Awesome dad by Ricwot · · Score: 1

      They're not all white Catholics, you know.

    4. Re: Awesome dad by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

      Oh, I know—although the name is somewhat suggestive of it. More importantly, Homeland Security isn't exactly a major presence in France.

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  3. Exactly mimics the real thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I didn't see any hydraulics for mimicking the pitch, yaw, and roll.

    1. Re:Exactly mimics the real thing? by camperdave · · Score: 2

      Well, yes... for certain values of "exactly".

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    2. Re:Exactly mimics the real thing? by MiG82au · · Score: 1

      You do realise that there's a big difference between simulating the sensations vs the motions of the aircraft? The motion platform does not roll with the plane because in a coordinated turn there is no sideways acceleration in the pilot's coordinate frame, just a small increase in "gravity". The smooth way airliners are flown, the only axis that is of much use is the pitch.

    3. Re:Exactly mimics the real thing? by johnw · · Score: 1

      I didn't see any hydraulics for mimicking the pitch, yaw, and roll.

      That was my first thought too, but then I thought about naval simulators. I've been in a few of those, which are very much just large rooms with a lot of screens, and usually some raked seating at the back. They don't move at all, but it's funny to watch those standing on the "bridge" as they sway from side to side to keep their feet in rough seas. Yes, real simulators move around, but a lot can be achieved without.

    4. Re: Exactly mimics the real thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What do you mean ? When I fly (passenger) I feel the take off and landing up/down dip and the left / right after take off

    5. Re:Exactly mimics the real thing? by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      I doubt it offers a fully-functional simulation of a crash landing, either.

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    6. Re: Exactly mimics the real thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hence "the only axis that is of much use is the pitch". You may want to brush up on your 6 degrees of freedom.

      As the captcha was "patriots", I should mention these degrees of freedom do not appear in the US constitution.

    7. Re: Exactly mimics the real thing? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Hence "the only axis that is of much use is the pitch". You may want to brush up on your 6 degrees of freedom.

      He just gets done saying that he can feel both pitch and roll and your response is "yes, I said you only need pitch"? Fail, fail.

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    8. Re:Exactly mimics the real thing? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      That's if it's flown correctly. If you don't make coordinated turns,you'll feel it. Without the simulator on a moving platform, you wouldn't know the difference.

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    9. Re:Exactly mimics the real thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why you shouldn't be simulating a 737. On fly-by-wire, turn coordination is often an option that you turn on and it's done for you - perfectly.

    10. Re:Exactly mimics the real thing? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      If it's an option that you can turn on, but you fail to turn it on, or that part of the system fails, you wouldn't know the difference.

      It's cute as a expensive toy. Not so hot as a pilot trainer, which seems is what he intended it to be.

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  4. No Stewart platform... by johnny+cashed · · Score: 2

    It doesn't even incorporate a Stewart platform in its implementation, lame.

    1. Re:No Stewart platform... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Without a Stewart platform to provide mechanical feedback, this is just a flight simulator with a few extra buttons.

    2. Re:No Stewart platform... by john.r.strohm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not really.

      It was proven decades ago that you didn't need a motion base under a flight simulator if your visual scene generator was good enough.

      What is interesting is that the visual scene doesn't have to be all that good.

    3. Re:No Stewart platform... by multisync · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It was proven decades ago that you didn't need a motion base under a flight simulator if your visual scene generator was good enough.

      Quite true. There was an attraction at Disneyland when I was a kid called Circle-Vision 360. It was basically a round room with screens arranged in a circle around you. They shot scenes with a 360 degree camera setup, often from the top of a car or a plane, and played them on the screens. You really felt the sensation of motion.

      The fun part was watching people leaning left and right as the motion in the scene went the other direction. There were actually hand rails for people to hang on to so they didn't topple over.

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    4. Re:No Stewart platform... by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      well technically you don't "need" the real buttons either.. but the motions is what I think of as being the qualifier for fully functional, because then it would have functional parity with full fledged commercial simulators.

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    5. Re:No Stewart platform... by stroos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It was proven decades ago that you didn't need a motion base under a flight simulator if your visual scene generator was good enough.

      Don't need it to do what? To train pilots to operate the flight management system you don't need motion much, but you don't need an outside visual for that either. Manual control behaviour on the other hand has been shown again and again to benefit from motion cues. What you claim to have been proven long ago is in fact not settled at all in the simulation community. Regulations also still require a motion system for high-end training simulators and there's a reason for that.

  5. isn't that child abuse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...using his son's bedroom to build a Boeing 737 flight simulator that exactly mimics the real thing.

    5 years of noisy jet takeoffs.

  6. ground: "say type aircraft" by NikeHerc · · Score: 2

    Interesting that they chose a Boeing a/c rather than an Airbus!

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  7. That's cool and all... by black3d · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But haven't dozens of people already done this over the years? For example - http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/04/18/2036248/man-builds-737-simulator-in-a-garage

    I had a good friend who was the chief engineer for a major multi-national telecommunications company, who laid out around half a million building a fully functional 747 cockpit in his basement - and that was back in '99. Even had a seat and controls for the navigator.

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    1. Re:That's cool and all... by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      Exactly what I was thinking. The only thing new about this is the setting.

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    2. Re:That's cool and all... by c0lo · · Score: 1

      But haven't dozens of people already done this over the years?

      I reckon this demonstrates French waiters may have the same technical prowless as US private pilots
      (and heaps more than a bunch of /.-ers how call themself geeks but all they can do is attempts of lame humor... vous defier dire ce n'est pas comme ca...
      G'day, mate, good on you!)

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    3. Re:That's cool and all... by black3d · · Score: 1

      There was no attempt at humor in my post. BTW, the person I just referenced who built one in his basement is both a geek and a Slashdotter, so really not sure what point you're trying to make? That french waiters, private pilots, AND geeks, have the same potential technical prowess? That's exactly what I was pointing out - this isn't really news as it's been done by a large variety of people already. Pretty much anyone with the time, money and passion could throw this together. But all you're pointing out is it takes a Frenchman to displace his son in the process..

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    4. Re:That's cool and all... by c0lo · · Score: 2
      The main info I added: he's a waiter with no formal training and no direct flight experience.

      There was no attempt at humor in my post. BTW, the person I just referenced who built one in his basement is both a geek and a Slashdotter, so really not sure what point you're trying to make?

      No, indeed, you didn't. My apologies for "riding" on your post with my rants
      (feelings got mixed into my main point, I realise now it was a wrong place to express my displeasure to post like:
      * Authenticity - questioning the authenticity of the seats cover
      * Too much time in his hands - questioning his sex life
      * Re: what software - implying he doesn't know what flight simulator he uses
      * Figures - complaining a photo frame isn't straight
      and these even ignoring AC posts)

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    5. Re:That's cool and all... by black3d · · Score: 1

      I see - yes, those comments do seem extremely petty in the context of what is a fairly remarkable feat of dedication, and certainly to the individual involved would be a major milestone.

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    6. Re:That's cool and all... by Maow · · Score: 1

      In fairness, the one about "Authenticity" of the sheepskin covers had a reply with a link showing a cockpit with seemingly-similar seat covers, so I learned something there.

      And the one about which software it ran was ok for Slashdot, although the reply to it, "He probably doesn't even know" was snotty.

    7. Re:That's cool and all... by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and didn't some guy in Japan build a 737 or 747 cockpit sim with such a complete cabin interior that he was asked to loan the use of it to a TV drama for a set? I remember reading something to that effect several years ago...

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    8. Re:That's cool and all... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      really not sure what point you're trying to make?

      Perhaps that the French tip well?

    9. Re:That's cool and all... by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Much easier to do today - still not cheap, but many of the components can actually be bought (USB interfaces), and companies now sell software to fully emulate many of the systems.

      One thing this system is missing is a collimated display. That adds a lot of realism from what I've heard. Those are expensive if you want to buy them, but people are starting to DIY them.

    10. Re:That's cool and all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But haven't dozens of people already done this over the years? For example - http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/04/18/2036248/man-builds-737-simulator-in-a-garage

      Your citation is divorced; the Frenchman did it for his kid. See the difference?

  8. Well, not *FULLY* functional by nadamucho · · Score: 2
  9. Lot of work by ebno-10db · · Score: 4, Funny

    This makes me feel lame - I haven't even finished redoing the bathroom.

  10. Authenticity by idontusenumbers · · Score: 1

    How authentic are the fur seats?

    1. Re:Authenticity by MiG82au · · Score: 4, Informative

      Completely. Go to airliners.net and search for 737 cockpit. You'll see sheep skin covers on all.
      e.g. http://www.airliners.net/photo/Copa-Airlines-Colombia/Boeing-737-7V3/2288558/&sid=501f1a8b3c010f0b25433bb222ebff2b

  11. The sad part is... by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

    His son has no interest in airplanes, and his dad is forcing it on him.

    I remember my dad taking the family to the airport to watch the planes take off and land for hours at a time; thank god they closed the observation area after 9/11.

    1. Re:The sad part is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If true, he's saying to his son, "Move aside. I'm going to use your bedroom for something else, something more important to me than you."

    2. Re:The sad part is... by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      This is pretty much how I interpret his actions after reading the article. It's not like he's using the son's room after the boy moved out, the kid still sleeps in a bunk bed in the corner of the room - when his dad isn't using it to show off.

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    3. Re:The sad part is... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just like model trains and boobs... claimed to be for the kids, but the dads are playing with them.

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  12. Re:I'm not going to read thef ucking artice by HideyoshiJP · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft Flight Simulator '98

  13. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

    737?

    url:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/06/sfo-airport-asiana-crash_n_3555482.html

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  14. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 0, Flamebait
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  15. what a jerk by RedHackTea · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Use your own bedroom, Dad!"

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    1. Re:what a jerk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Use your own bedroom, Dad!"

      Blatently "Mum" said no ;)

    2. Re:what a jerk by dontclapthrowmoney · · Score: 1

      No... there's no way this guy is still married.

    3. Re:what a jerk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he really wanted his son to get a good night's sleep he should have built a high speed train simulator.

  16. Not one of the better DIY jobs by EmagGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The display in particular is pretty shoddy. I've seen much much better out there in terms of DIY flightsims.

    Oh, and to this line in TFA:

    "He also has interest from a couple of major aircraft manufacturers who want to use his creation to simulate various scenarios."

    No, he doesn't. Aircraft manufacturers have no interest whatsoever in this.

    1. Re:Not one of the better DIY jobs by Deadstick · · Score: 3, Funny

      Mod parent up. Every airline has massively better simulators.

    2. Re:Not one of the better DIY jobs by MiG82au · · Score: 1

      I suspect that "major" might actually mean small manufacturers of GA aircraft in his vicinity which don't have their own simulators. The software on this simulator is probably much more flexible than a professional simulator, allowing you to fly anything albeit with an inaccurate cockpit.

    3. Re:Not one of the better DIY jobs by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      All of the various scenarios tend to wreak havoc on the simulation equipment, they'd like to test the fire extinguishers on his rig instead of theirs.

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    4. Re:Not one of the better DIY jobs by JWSmythe · · Score: 2

      That's what I was thinking too. It looked like the guy was the single source of information. He probably tells everyone the same things..

      Boeing would be the only aircraft manufacturer interested in using a Boeing simulator. They can make better ones themselves, since they have the engineers, the parts supply, and the budget, to do it right. Theirs also wouldn't include a bunk bed jammed in the corner, nor the trivialized child.

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    5. Re:Not one of the better DIY jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who has worked on such a professional simulator, I can say that the model of the aircraft can change rather swiftly. In fact, it's essentially all done on the actual flight simulator program(such as Microsoft's), which can change at the click of a button. Building in-house simulation programs are usually for very special needs. Using existing programs like Microsoft's sim make it very easy to integrate new systems.

      The hard part comes when you connect the simulation to actual avionics, and the hardest part there is the wiring. My changes on the software side are trivial, and I can support a new plane in a matter of hours, days, or at most a week. Wiring on the other hand, will take months.

      Also, it feels weird knowing you're simulating a cessna when you're sitting in a gutted C-5 cock pit.

  17. Too much time on his hands by mendax · · Score: 0

    This guy definitely has too much time on his hands. But given that this fellow seems to have this incredible obsession, how did he managed to find the time to have sex to even have a son to put in a bedroom that the poor kid can't even use except for sleeping.

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    1. Re:Too much time on his hands by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      son to put in a bedroom that the poor kid can't even use except for sleeping

      What are you talking about, this kid has got the world's greatest toy in his bedroom!

    2. Re:Too much time on his hands by mark-t · · Score: 2

      Well, it *COULD* have been a great toy... if his son seemed to show any interest in the simulator, or airplanes in general. According to TFA, it's "unclear" what his son thinks.

      As it sits right now, it's a toy for the dad. He should have constructed this in his garage... not his son's bedroom unless the boy was actively interested in this sort of thing.

    3. Re:Too much time on his hands by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You really think he lets his son even get near that?

      Your dad obviously was not obsessed with model trains. Friend of mine had to suffer from one, he had the coolest model train kit on earth (dedicated a whole room to it), but his kids were not allowed in there, he was afraid they could "ruin" it.

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    4. Re:Too much time on his hands by jelizondo · · Score: 1

      to have sex to even have a son

      A likely question from uncultured Americans!

      menage a trois is a peculiarly French custom. (accents omitted on account of /. horrible unicode support.) The man doesn't need time, he just needs a partner.

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    5. Re:Too much time on his hands by Krneki · · Score: 1

      Maybe he doesn't watch TV 8 hours a day, like all other intelligent people are doing.

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  18. What software? by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

    Does it run Flightgear?

    1. Re:What software? by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      Undoubtedly, but he probably doesn't know that.

  19. Figures by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    He can build a flight simulator, but can't straighten the pictures on the wall for an internationally circulated photograph. Figures.

    1. Re:Figures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They were knocked loose by turbulence. Geez.

  20. Call the N S A by Delirium+Tremens · · Score: 1

    Call the NSA. He is obviously trying to aid the enemy. He even hid his terrorist training equipment in his son bedroom. What a horrible father. Take his son away! Think of the children!

    1. Re:Call the N S A by doug · · Score: 1

      Aid the enemy? He's French. Doesn't that make him the enemy?

    2. Re:Call the N S A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problem then, they can just send him a plane ticket and he will come and surrender.

      captcha: inbound

  21. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It was an Airbus 757.

  22. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was an Airbus 757.

    It came in like a bus bus.

  23. Re:ground: "say type aircraft" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    On an Airbus, the controls are simply tied to LCD and haptic feedback devices. An Airbus simulator and a real Airbus cockpit are exactly the same thing--a really expensive joystick connected to an XBox. What's the fun in that?

  24. Re:I'm sure I'll hit my posting limit soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Suggest an alternative or STFU.

  25. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aha, I've been on the internet for too long to fall for tricks like that.

  26. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by john.r.strohm · · Score: 3, Informative

    It was a Boeing 777.

    VERY good airplane. (Direct quote from an American Airlines 777 First Officer: "Sweetest-flying airplane I ever flew!" Direct quote from a very senior American Airlines 777 Captain: "10 years in 757/767. First time I got in the 777, I realized they'd fixed things I hadn't realized had been bugging me.")

  27. Re:ground: "say type aircraft" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interesting that they chose a Boeing instead of a Lockheed-Martin Raptor.

  28. Ya, well... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was going to re-build my 787 simulator, but the fire department won't let me.

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    1. Re:Ya, well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You fucking asshole! Now my keyboard and monitor was sprayed with my morning coffee....

  29. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty sure that 'Airbus 757' was a joke.

    You probably won't be able to tell that you're on an Airbus, unless one of the pilots does something that invisibly alters the autopilot settings.

  30. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was an Airbus 757.

    Now, that post really calls for adding a +5 Troll rating to the mod system. Applause.

    Oh, and we'd better arrest this obvious terrorist training camp instructor, and water-board him till he sings.

  31. Re: ground: "say type aircraft" by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

    I'm sure it is a lot harder to find matching parts and know what the cockpit looks like and what features it has... when those things are likely secrets, if not classified.

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  32. Re:I'm not going to read thef ucking artice by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Hey c'mon man.. At least he got the damn thing out of the garage

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  33. Sheesh, I'm glad my dad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My dad built me a train layout. And he built it in the GARAGE. it didn't push me out of my room...

  34. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what. I've got a fully functional 737, 747, 757, 767, and 787 simulators right in my building. They come complete with mechanics and engineers. All you need to fly them is a little bit of budget. OK... a lot bit of budget.

  35. How soon before... by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 0

    And then Asiana contacts him about training their pilots on the cheap(er)? Hehe.

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  36. Re:I'm sure I'll hit my posting limit soon by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No mention of the software used anywhere and no speculation.

    One of the pictures looks like a windows desktop, so one would assume one of the Flight Simulator programs, most likely Flight Simulator X. Anyone who messes with the stuff would probably have assumed that from the setup. It's like speculating that the fuel in your car's gas tank is unleaded. It may be a technical detail, but uninteresting and a foregone conclusion anyway.

  37. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't worry, Airbuses have better safety track than Boeings. You'll be fine.

  38. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, Airbuses have better safety track than Boeings. You'll be fine.

    This,

    The biggest difference between the A330 and the B777 is that the B777 crams in an extra seat per row.

    Airline and pilot are the big factors in determining if a plane is safe or not.

    I've got my first flight in an A380 coming up and I _am_ looking forward to that (just not the other 500 passengers I'll have to be around).

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  39. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    It was a Boeing 777.

    VERY good airplane. (Direct quote from an American Airlines 777 First Officer: "Sweetest-flying airplane I ever flew!" Direct quote from a very senior American Airlines 777 Captain: "10 years in 757/767. First time I got in the 777, I realized they'd fixed things I hadn't realized had been bugging me.")

    ****** A+++++ Wuld fly again

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  40. Re:ground: "say type aircraft" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I were to spend that much time building a flight simulator, I'd build something which would (1) be much more interesting to fly and (2) that I couldn't try out otherwise as well for a fraction of the cost. Some airlines occasionally have reasonably-priced hours (around $ 100 per hour) in their flight simulators for the general public with one of their pilots helping you out to experience what the job is like. There are also some companies (in at least in Germany IIRC) that have slightly less sophisticated and thus cheaper "fly for fun" simulators you can buy hours in but those too are modern aircraft. If I were to build a simulator of my own, I would probably build a DC-3 simulator - it's such a classic workhorse of the skies and your only chance to fly one even as a passenger is in the third world or at an old aircraft air show. Now a decent simulator like that with the primitive navigation aids of the time would be real fun. Especially if somebody were to also create time-appropriate scenery...

    I guess all I need is three times the spare time that I barely have to do everything I want to do but I can plan my retirement when I see this kind of projects :)

  41. Big FS projects by Alioth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've seen several of these flight sim projects. One part of me understands completely why the people who build them build them (I have enough hobbies that others think are a complete waste of time and money to understand entirely why people building flight sims like this want to do it), but another part of my brain is saying "for the money and time invested, you can actually build your own real, flying aircraft you can pilot yourself, and the graphics and frame rate are a lot lot better!".

    Kind of reminds me. About a year before they closed Meigs in Chicago (which used to be the default start airport in Microsoft Flight Simulator), I flew in there for real in my elderly Cessna 140. I was kind of surprised when the frame rate didn't slow to about 10 fps when all the buildings of Chicago hoved into view :-)

    1. Re:Big FS projects by Bucc5062 · · Score: 1

      Completely off topic, but I was curious about the link in your sig so I clicked on it and it took me to a seemingly old site for a interesting space game. Is that still viable because I saw this "The page you requested could not be found. Perhaps it was attacked by a thargoid?" though I could link to download. Looks like fun (not that I have time).

      To your comment, I am also a Private Pilot who started out with MSFS (4.0), but progressed into the real thing. Turns out the real thing was very expensive and not something I could maintain safely so I faded back into FS and now pour money into my horses. Some folks like the idea of a simulator so they don't have to have all the "formal" training and if you screw up, its not a one shot deal. Thus a game where you, I, and others found that it was more then a game and took it to the next level.

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    2. Re:Big FS projects by quacking+duck · · Score: 2

      I've seen several of these flight sim projects. One part of me understands completely why the people who build them build them (I have enough hobbies that others think are a complete waste of time and money to understand entirely why people building flight sims like this want to do it), but another part of my brain is saying "for the money and time invested, you can actually build your own real, flying aircraft you can pilot yourself, and the graphics and frame rate are a lot lot better!".

      You might be able to build or fly your own general-aviation aircraft, but you cannot build and fly your own 737 or any jetliner, which is the type of aircraft these guys are clearly interested in.

      I flightsim myself, obviously not to such a degree, and there's another reason I do simming instead of actual flying, that I think they share as well: tinkering with the hardware and software is sometimes just as enjoyable as the actual flying. In their case it's the thrill of hunting for right parts and then integrating them into the system.

    3. Re:Big FS projects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may not be able to build your own 737, but buying one isn't so hard. A quick search at Aviation Controller turns up 10 for sale right now. Prices listed range from $325K for a 1989 w/o engines to $6.25 million for a 1992 with executive interior (only flown on Sundays by a little old lady).

  42. Qualifiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...that exactly mimics the real thing....which is so realistic that the Institute of Aircraft Maintenance at Bordeaux-Merignac Airport asked him to give a lecture on his achievement....He also has interest from a couple of major aircraft manufacturers who want to use his creation to simulate various scenarios...

    I maintain and build flight simulators and synthetic trainers all over the world, from France to China and the same again for approvals with regulators. This thing wouldn't even reach class C let alone class D so exactly mimics is bullshit, even class D can't exactly mimic everything. Even if you follow manuals to the letter, things like control workflow and timings are always off, that's why you can even get class C equipment approved even if some of the cockpit control workflow is actually wrong. There are about one hundred of these sorts of in-house setups like this in homes around the world now, even more if you include those which don't use actual cockpit components. Hardware isn't the problem these days with flight sims and synth trainers, hell, I've seen 6DOF motion class C trainers (with projected wrap-around SPOV visuals, none of this monitor crap) that run off one Core i7 system with all I/O (including motion, excluding visuals) being handled by USB! The real problem is the software, that's where all the limitations lie as too much of it is off the shelf software or components all hobbled together, even the stuff from multi-billion dollar US defence contractors whose names I'd love to spill but alas...

  43. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a pilot with more experience, one that flew both Boeing and Airbus and I'll believe you, until then, it sounds like very lame advertising.

  44. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by StripedCow · · Score: 1

    But aside all that, what a GREAT dad!

    Yes, he built a cockpit in his son's bedroom. What TFA didn't say is that the entry door is located in his own bedroom.

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  45. Re: ground: "say type aircraft" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google image search "F-22 cockpit", there are tons of images. There aren't too many things that could really be secret, aside from maybe communications frequencies, armament and stealth factor, none of which would affect making a flight sim.

  46. Re:ground: "say type aircraft" by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The choice was probably driven largely by availability of cockpit parts. There is an impressive amount of 737s out there in various states of operation.

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  47. Get out of my room! by gsslay · · Score: 1

    Yeah. Great Dad. Uses his son's bedroom as a playroom for his hobby with his pal.

    Son may be ok about it just now, but what happens when he decides he's too old for his father's toys?

  48. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by sabbede · · Score: 1
    Great dad? If, when I was growing up, my dad had decided to turn most of my bedroom into his hobby space, I would have been anything but happy. I notice that the article doesn't mention the kids age. But since it took five years to build, it's possible that his son reached the age where a boy begins to really need his privacy, if you know what I mean.

    For masturbation. That's what I mean.

    Even if the kid has not yet reached that age, I'm sure he still needs sleep. And if you've ever been working on a project even remotely as cool as this, you know there are a lot of very late, profanity laden, nights involved. Kids need sleep! Even if they say otherwise!

  49. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some a$$ once said "You didn't build that", so he's not a great dad, since he didn't build that! BuuuYa uckers

  50. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by AJH16 · · Score: 1

    I've flown on AirFrance's first A380, great plane. Yeah it's massive, but the seating was quite comfortable and the in flight entertainment options were great for a cross ocean trip from Paris to JFK. Enjoy the trip.

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  51. Re:ground: "say type aircraft" by intermodal · · Score: 1

    That's true, but many with different cockpit setups. The 737 classic and NG models have seen a huge jump in technology, even for being largely the same plane.

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  52. Without validation, it's only a cool toy by wired_parrot · · Score: 1

    Mr Aigon has since schooled himself in all the procedures for take off and landing and says he is able to fly his 'plane' just like a real-life pilot.

    No. he's proven he's able to fly his simulator, not the real aircraft. An actual training flight simulator goes through an exhaustive validation to ensure it is accurately reproducing the aircraft within the envelope of interest. While he may have been able to get real cockpit parts to get the look of the real cockpit, there's no guarantee that his simulator reproduces the real flight envelope of the aircraft accurately, or that the system components were assembled in a way as to properly reproduce the aircraft system response. And training in an inaccurate simulator can be worse than training in no simulator at all.

    Still, kudos for the DYI simulator. It's a cool grown-up toy, but it's not a training device.

  53. Re:I'm sure I'll hit my posting limit soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No mention of the software used anywhere and no speculation.

    One of the pictures looks like a windows desktop,

    That's sky. Sometimes a blue screen is just a blue screen.

  54. Parts of the story left out by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 2

    Poor journalism really. I would expect the reporter to track down the man's ex-wife for comment.

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  55. The title should be... by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

    Man generously allows son to sleep in his Fully functional Boeing 747 Flight Simulator Room

  56. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    Airbusses are nice. If you hit turbulence? They are "flexier" than Boeings. Unsettling, but smoother.

    The overhead bins are much taller, and better shaped. The ceilings seem less enclosed.

    Good planes.

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  57. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

    Sum Ting Wong

  58. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've flown on AirFrance's first A380, great plane. ... the seating was quite comfortable ...

    Uh, I don't see you telling us your gender & size. Seating is usually comfortable for someone, like maybe most asians, but it's way too close for us manly men & women...

  59. Slow news day ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why post an article about something that happened almost one year ago?

  60. Re:I'm sure I'll hit my posting limit soon by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    It looked like the default Windows 7 background (the Windows logo window). Seemed pretty clear to me.

  61. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    Well, the kid has the luxury of practicing to be a member of the mile high club I guess.

    I doubt the kid is that old. He was probably just born when the project started so it might be a few years before he is aware of that stuff. But hey, this is in France so who knows.

  62. Re:Can't That Get You Marked as a Terrorist, Now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you sound like an idiot.

  63. Re:I'm sure I'll hit my posting limit soon by MiG82au · · Score: 1

    I don't know if FSX is flexible enough to support a cockpit like that. It could also be X-Plane or Flightgear; both available on Windows.

  64. Re:I'm sure I'll hit my posting limit soon by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    Yes, and there are some others. I've seen people wire in realistic controls, what I haven't seen is someone set up a game with monitors used as the glass cockpit, though I'm sure that's out there and readily available, I've not tried or seen it, so I don't know which support it, if any.