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"Piracy Filter" Blocks TorrentFreak for 4 Million Sky Customers

An anonymous reader writes "Website blocking has become a hot topic in the UK in recent weeks. Opponents of both voluntary and court-ordered blockades have warned about the potential collateral damage these blocking systems may cause, and they have now been proven right. As it turns out blocked sites can easily exploit the system and add new IP-addresses to Sky's blocklist. As a result TorrentFreak has been rendered inaccessible to the ISP's four million customers."

122 comments

  1. There we have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is why censorship of the internet is a fucking stupid idea.

    1. Re:There we have it by paziek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That depends on your point of view. I'm pretty sure there people/corporations/governments that do like it.

    2. Re:There we have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? It looks like it works: You can't access TorrentFreak.

      Seriously, what did you expect when you chose Sky for your internet provider? It was fun while it lasted, now say goodbye. Plug three Cat5 cables into your router and throw the other ends to three neighbors. If everybody did that, we wouldn't have these problems.

    3. Re:There we have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It doesn't work because TorrentFreak is a news site. Unless the war on piracy declares even speaking about filesharing fair game as collateral?

    4. Re:There we have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean, as collateral? Apart from that, I think you refuted your own argument.

    5. Re:There we have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Government officials usually have no real opinion on this due to a lack of understanding. They just act on lobby groups that are usually sponsored by Hollywood and other corporate interest groups.

    6. Re:There we have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is blocking access to news a "working" solution?

    7. Re:There we have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Government officials usually have no real opinion on this due to a lack of understanding. They just act on lobby groups that are usually sponsored by Hollywood and other corporate interest groups.

      Wait, government officials are chosen from among the people to speak for the people. You say this isn't true anymore?

    8. Re:There we have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That depends on your point of view. I'm pretty sure there people/corporations/governments that do like it.

      They like it ONLY because it usually translates to profit in someone's pockets, whether that be directly or indirectly.

      The easiest litmus test in the world to prove that fact is to put the shoe on the other foot. See how people/corporations/governments like it when it's done to them and without any form of profit or gain from it. I promise you their mentality would change.

    9. Re:There we have it by SGT+CAPSLOCK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is to be expected of what I've come to call the "Corporate Internet".

      Governments and corporations have inherited our tubes, and I think that by now they're pretty confident that it's going to be acceptable for them to control and limit the content that ordinary people have access to.

      It's been like this for a while now; once you learn the ropes and (more importantly) learn to obey all the rules, you'll fit right in!

    10. Re:There we have it by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It explains why the Linux distros in my upload queue have had a lot less activity lately.

    11. Re:There we have it by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Um, hello? It's called "Let's not only block the thing we're against, let's block any mention of that thing as well". Sort of like what the Russian government seems to be trying to do the LGBT community there.

      So, far from being "collateral damage", this means the (censorship) system is working just as intended.

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    12. Re:There we have it by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Was it ever?

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    13. Re:There we have it by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      It doesn't work because TorrentFreak is a news site. Unless the war on piracy declares even speaking about filesharing fair game as collateral?

      it's not collateral, it's the target. speaking of torrents is the target, even if the hashes weren't spoken on the site.

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    14. Re:There we have it by davydagger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      there were people/corporations/governments that though the holocaust was a good idea. /godwin, but to prove a point that every bad anti-social oppressive idea does actually work for some people, the people in charge at the expence of everyone else.

    15. Re:There we have it by davydagger · · Score: 1

      it worked like that for terrorism, communism, autism, and being unpopular(aka a WITCH)

    16. Re:There we have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Which goes against freedom of speech as well as journalism's special rights... neither a good thing. This is going further than it was intended.

      For the record I'm on Sky and the article is hosted on their domain... and I can read it. So it looks like Sky have noticed and restored access.

    17. Re:There we have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Huh? It looks like it works: You can't access TorrentFreak.

      If you bothered to RTFA*, you'd realise why you're wrong: the censorship is supposed to apply to an unrelated site, called EZTV, and has nothing to do with TorrentFreak. The owner of the blocked domain started adding the IP addresses of other, unrelated sites and at least one ISP started blocking access to those unrelated sites. With a solution as poorly implemented as this, it means a blocked site owner with an axe to grind could start blocking access to legitimate sites with very little effort.

      It says the owner used TorrentFreak as a test an warned them in advance, as well as doing some experimentation with Facebook IPs. He (or she?) could have just as easily added Wikipedia or Sky's own site.

      * I guess you're on Sky and couldn't read it, right?

    18. Re:There we have it by blackest_k · · Score: 5, Informative

      you didn't read the article did you?
      It was actually a bit of clever manipulation by a torrent site who discovered sky was automatically blocking other ip addresses the torrent site was listing as alternate site addresses. So they performed a little experiment listed the torrent freak site as a mirror and sky automatically put a block on that ip address. Thus demonstrating how Sky's automatic blocking is flawed and fairly useless.

      Its a bit more complicated than that but summing up Sky thought they could automate whack a mole and instead managed to give control over blocking to the sites they want to block.

      Torrent freak were informed and agreed to be a target before hand. I think facebook was also targeted but with little to no effect due to the number of addresses assigned to facebook its believed.

    19. Re:There we have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/facetious

    20. Re:There we have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inherited "our" tubes? Who do you think it was that build those tubes in the first place? Oh, yeah, governments and corporations.

    21. Re:There we have it by reve_etrange · · Score: 2

      No, Sky has done nothing. Access is restored because EZTV stopped pointing their domain at TorrentFreak's IP, and the Sky filter is updated at some interval.

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    22. Re:There we have it by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I did read TFA.

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    23. Re:There we have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the site playing with DNS decided to stop for a bit.

      They could start again, or next time target David Cameron's web site, or your mail service, or anything. If you have Sky and didn't disable their "filter" then you're at the mercy of anybody who controls DNS for a filtered site.

    24. Re:There we have it by HiThere · · Score: 2

      Well, the USArmy and Universities put together the original internet, and Cern designed the web on top of it. Corporations, except for universities and a few other non-profits, were late-comers to the party.

      OTOH, the original internet was specifically designed to avoid centralized routing. Basically, when power grabbers took over ICANN and were blessed by the US govt. the writing was on the wall. You shouldn't be surprised by anything that has happened since then...well, actually the existence of torrents is a *bit* of a surprise, and there were a few others. All having to do with temporarily maintaining a bit of open communication.

      P.S.: Don't trust encryption. The NSA is currently putting together a "big" quantum computer, and one of the kinds of calculation that is particularly good at is prime factorization. They may not be able to crack that message THIS year.

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    25. Re:There we have it by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      Reading comprehension fail then.

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    26. Re:There we have it by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They also tried to block Facebook but it didn't work, probably because of the large range of IP addresses involved. It's a shame they gave up so easily, taking down a high profile site would have been exactly the kind of public shaming we need to make people see how stupid the whole idea is.

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    27. Re:There we have it by gomiam · · Score: 1

      Troll harder.

    28. Re:There we have it by RocketRabbit · · Score: 0

      Governments and corporations always had "our" tubes. The Internet was a US DOD project, which then became popular with universities (government run mainly) and some high tech companies, and eventually the phone companies started selling bandwidth to small ISPs, and later joined in the fun themselves.

      It's total revisionism to claim that somehow "our" tubes were taken over by the government and corporations. It seems unlikely that you could come up with a more backwards, incorrect view of the history of the net.

    29. Re:There we have it by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Nah

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    30. Re:There we have it by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Nah.

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    31. Re:There we have it by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Post the unpopular truth, get modded down. It's the Slashdot way.

    32. Re:There we have it by Sabriel · · Score: 1

      Wonder what would've happened if they'd added Sky's DNS servers to the list.

  2. Re:So, What You're Saying is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    TorrentFreak isn't a site that allows you to conduct piracy. It's a news site that posts content relevant to file sharing.

    This would be like shutting down newspapers because they speak about other crimes.

  3. This makes me think of Wrath of Khan by fey000 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "To the last, I will grapple with thee... from Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!"

    1. Re:This makes me think of Wrath of Khan by firex726 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Think you mean Moby Dick:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moby-Dick

      > Ahab ultimately dooms the crew of the Pequod (save for Ishmael) to death by his obsession with Moby Dick. During the final chase, Ahab hurls his last harpoon while yelling his now-famous revenge line:

      "to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."

    2. Re:This makes me think of Wrath of Khan by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Kahn was quoting Melville; Kirk was his whale. And Star Trek is more known to most slashdotters than Melville.

    3. Re:This makes me think of Wrath of Khan by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 0

      For the second time in less than a week, I get to pull out my trusty "Gee, you must be great fun at parties".

      Thanks for that.

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    4. Re:This makes me think of Wrath of Khan by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a quote from Moby Dick to me.

    5. Re:This makes me think of Wrath of Khan by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      In fifty more years, which work do you think will be best-known?

    6. Re:This makes me think of Wrath of Khan by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Moby Dick. But Ahab will be a thorough-going villian, intent on destroying an endangered species. And Ishmael will be an "unindicted co-conspirator".

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    7. Re:This makes me think of Wrath of Khan by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Truly so. I look for a revisionist remake of Moby Dick somewhere in the near future to replace the 1956 Gregory Peck version.

    8. Re:This makes me think of Wrath of Khan by discord5 · · Score: 1

      Kahn was quoting Melville; Kirk was his whale. And Star Trek is more known to most slashdotters than Melville.

      If anything, I'm surprised that a person who watched Wrath of Khan or First Contact wouldn't recognize the quotes and parallels immediately. Even if your native language is not English and you weren't forced to read these classics, this is classic literature that's pretty hard to ignore. If anything I'd say that next to Shakespeare's work, Melville's right up there as "most quoted classical author in sci-fi".

  4. Re:So, What You're Saying is... by ClaraBow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So very true! The masses in the UK will suddenly acquire the necessary means to get around the filters. The word proxy will become a household word, just like it has become in school that filter the internet.

  5. Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by grahammm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the blocks are applied to any IP address pointed to by a blocked site, maybe as a demonstration a blocked site should add the IP addresses of all of the major UK political parties, BBC iPlayer, Youtube, Netflix, lovefilm etc. If mainstream media sites get (automatically) blocked then perhaps the backlash might force TPTB into either removing the requirement to block or require the ISPs to use a blocking mechanism with less potential for collateral damage.

    1. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are certainly enough boobs on the UK party site to qualify for blocking anyway.

    2. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They should block sky's websites from their own customers...

    3. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by skovnymfe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They should block Slashdot, and all the sysadmins in the UK will rebel and take down the filter in their anger.

    4. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder what would happen if they add the IP address of the default DNS that the ISP's customers use...

    5. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by rb12345 · · Score: 2

      If they were aiming for truly evil exploitation of automated blocking, they wouldn't block any of those. They'd get the DVLA tax disc renewal site blocked instead and, given the automatic fines now, you'd easily upset a twelfth of Sky's userbase who'd need to switch back to manual methods. Alternatively, you'd aim to block HMRC in late January and block the rare people doing tax-returns at the last minute...

    6. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless there's a webserver on the same IP that people need to access, I'm guessing not a whole lot.

    7. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by SGT+CAPSLOCK · · Score: 1

      When you do malicious things to Sky's customers, wouldn't it make you just as or perhaps even more oppressive than the people already controlling their content?

    8. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by houghi · · Score: 1

      I have the technical knowledge to run my own DNS server.
      I do not have enough knowledge to do the following:
      Make a DNS server for a single PC. It shoudl possibly be doing the following:
      1) Work like a standard DNS server (e.g. start looking at root for SOA, then go down to find the A record for a site)
      2) Stabndard caching of 2 days for IP addresses, perhaps longer for TLDs
      3) Override DHCP settings
      4) Make it easy to install (double click should be enough)

      That way you are no longer depending on your providers DNS, nor depend on any other third party, like Google or any other third party DNS server.

      So no matter if it is done by mistake or on purpose, you are not dependent on any third party for DNS.

      Having a central DNS server used to be important as traffic was slow and expensive. Now I do not see that as an issue anymore, so the servers can be decentralized.

      Any takers?

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    9. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by rb12345 · · Score: 2

      My post certainly wasn't meant to recommend that it should be attempted! It was intended to reply to the OP's comment that:

      If mainstream media sites get (automatically) blocked then perhaps the backlash might force TPTB into either removing the requirement to block or require the ISPs to use a blocking mechanism with less potential for collateral damage.

      Blocking "mainstream media sites" would upset journalists more and get far more publicity. TPTB probably care more about their own sites being available and not having to pay more staff to do the work by hand. Either way, this will probably be fixed within the week.

      Answering your actual question: perhaps, but I seriously doubt the torrent site will care much either way since they can no doubt get away with blaming Sky or the content industry for the blocks anyway. The cynical view is that they'd get far more self-promotion that way too...

    10. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by Jaruzel · · Score: 1

      Your idea kinda works....

      But:
      1. What if the block filter is also blocking the IP address?
      2. What if the block filter is scanning the HTTP 1.1 request header that will contain the line 'host: <blocked-domain>' ?

      for your concept, I believe it's quite simple to configure a linux distro to be a DHCP server for your network that also does DNS and performs it's own querying of the DNS root servers, so your concept is totally doable technically, i'm just not sure how it well it would work in reality...

      -Jar

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    11. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unless there's a webserver on the same IP that people need to access, I'm guessing not a whole lot.

      Are they only blocking port 80 (and 443)? I would expect them to block all ports, including port 53.

      If you don't understand why blocking access to port 53 on your ISPs DNS would be a problem for most of the ISPs users, I think you need to hand in your geek card.

    12. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      Might this be what you're looking for?

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    13. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i don't really understand what you're trying to accomplish.
      obviously we have to start getting "complicated" with our helpful solution because
      "the man" is reading along. fortunately if you can guarantee an explanation can be
      understood beyond the 100 IQ threshold we are safe!
      so first lookup (sic) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_DNS_server_software on wikipedia.
      then inform yourself about a recursive DNS server.
      this will not solve the problem because they are blocking (probably) a IP address x.x.x.x that a script
      fetches from a dns server. if this dns server is managed by the people they are trying to block
      obviously (bristish) hilarity ensues.
      solution then are:
      if only the dns lookup is blocked ... use another one.
      if the ip is blocked .. ask some other non-blocked ip to fetch it for you. proxy or puppet on a string.
      if the ip is blocked ... ask some other non-blocked ip to fetch it for you ... like a TOR exit node.
      eztv got onion?
      there are other ways to find the hash number of a torrent?
      magenta cyan yellow green

    14. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      But the provider could trivially intercept and spoof DNS requests. Your plan needs three revisions:
      1. Support DNSSEC.
      2. Scratch the two-day cache, make it respect the TTL field as normal.
      3. Except that in the event of no-domain or fail to receive a response to a query, return the last valid signed record regardless of TTL.

      So what you end up with is a perfectly ordinary DNSSEC-complient DNS server, except that of a provider tries to block a domain this will keep on working regardless, at least until the host next changes IP.

      All this assumes that Sky's block is DNS based, of course. It probably isn't. Still, a lot of low-cost filters are, so this will at least make filter operators fork over the cash for something a bit more sophisticated.

    15. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by reve_etrange · · Score: 1

      Just install DD-WRT on your router and activate DNSMasq. You can configure specific hosts for your LAN as well as parameters such as cache duration. The local DNS cache will probably speed things up for you as well.

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    16. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      If the blocks are applied to any IP address pointed to by a blocked site, maybe as a demonstration a blocked site should add the IP addresses of all of the major UK political parties, BBC iPlayer, Youtube, Netflix, lovefilm etc. If mainstream media sites get (automatically) blocked then perhaps the backlash might force TPTB into either removing the requirement to block or require the ISPs to use a blocking mechanism with less potential for collateral damage.

      Exactly. Though I would put the BBC, Google, Facebook and other big sites on the blocklist. Maybe even the UK government IPs.

      Put the big major sites on the list. Hell, blocking Google.co.uk ought to generate a sufficient amount of backlash. Ditto Facebook. Basically any site that everyone gets access to. Maybe even Amazon.co.uk.

    17. Re:Add DNS for "legitimate" sites by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      When you do malicious things to Sky's customers, wouldn't it make you just as or perhaps even more oppressive than the people already controlling their content?

      Depends on what happens.

      If it merely means the site is unreachable, then well, not much (sites go down all the time). If it means you get a scary looking page that says "you've access a site hosting illegal materials" then conversations get started.

      Blocking big sites that can do this can generate some buzz, and the worst part is, you can't really tell WHICH site did it.

      Imagine someone wanting to visit the BBC, getting the scary page, then maybe they entered it wrong. Try again, scary page. Google it - well, Google's got a scary page as well.

      Eventually someone will figure out which ISPs seem to be generating false scary pages and avoid them.

      A game of whack a mole - they block a site, that site blocks another site, now Sky has ot figure out ways around it, etc. Eventually someone will make a mistake and allow through a blocked site's IP.

  6. The whole article in a post by ConaxConax · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm a Sky user in the UK, and I am here to post the text of the article:

    "Website blocking has become a hot topic in the UK in recent weeks. Opponents of both voluntary and court-ordered blockades have warned about the potential collateral damage these blocking systems may cause, and they have now been proven right. As it turns out blocked sites can easily exploit the system and add new IP-addresses to Sky’s blocklist. As a result TorrentFreak has been rendered inaccessible to the ISP’s four million customers.

    stop-blockedFollowing a High Court ruling last month, six UK ISPs are required to block subscriber access to the popular TV-torrent site EZTV.it.

    The actions EZTV faces are not the first taken against a torrent site in the UK. The Pirate Bay, KickassTorrents and several other “pirate” sites have been blocked by previous court orders and remain inaccessible by conventional means.

    However, over the past couple of days Sky subscribers noticed that the blocklist had been quietly expanded with a new site that’s certainly not covered by any court order – TorrentFreak.com.

    Our site first became inaccessible on Wednesday night, only to be unblocked 14 hours later. However, about an hour ago it was again added to the blocklist.

    The recent blocking spree is causing confusion among Sky subscribers who have no idea why TorrentFreak is longer accessible. However, we can confirm that the problem lies with Sky’s filtering software that is supposed to enforce the court-ordered torrent site blockades.

    The owner of EZTV informed TorrentFreak that he used Geo DNS to point UK visitors to TorrentFreak’s IP-address. Soon after there were reports that our website had become inaccessible to Sky users."

    1. Re:The whole article in a post by EnglishDude · · Score: 1

      You're a Sky customer? Have you ever thought about changing to a different company?

  7. The fun that can be had by TheP4st · · Score: 5, Informative

    EZTV should have their DNS servers point to SKY's IP addresses and sit back and watch as hilarity ensues.

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    1. Re:The fun that can be had by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a new major newspapers would have been good.

  8. Question: by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    How many Sky customers are reading the article?

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    1. Re:Question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question should be, can Sky customers actually read?

  9. Re:oooh, big scary corporations! by firex726 · · Score: 4, Informative

    FYI this site is not a tracker or place to download torrent files; it's a new sites that posts articles, and only articles relating to filesharing.

  10. so... what by juenger1701 · · Score: 0

    am i supposed to be surprised that it actually works? cause a piracy filter blocking a site focused on torrents isn't a huge supervise

    1. Re:so... what by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      It's not a site that gives you torrents. It's a site that gives you news. And once we block information, the slippery slope just gets lubed a bit more.

      Making information and getting it illegal is and was the hallmark of any and every dictatorship in history, from fascism to communism. Part of that right to speak is the right to listen, without, it's pointless. By that logic, even the Soviet Union had a freedom of speech, as long as you were alone and nobody would listen in. It just was not allowed to say anything when someone else could hear it.

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    2. Re:so... what by X.25 · · Score: 1

      am i supposed to be surprised that it actually works? cause a piracy filter blocking a site focused on torrents isn't a huge supervise

      What exactly is a "site focused on torrents", exactly?

      Do you even know what you are talking about, or you are working as a guy operating filter in Sky?

  11. Re:So, What You're Saying is... by mcgrew · · Score: 0

    Someone please mod that AC up!

  12. Re:Who cares? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
    TorrentFreak (which, as a Virgin Media customer, I can apparently still access without jumping through hoops) appears to be more of a blog / news site these days. From the front page, it's not even obvious that they link to illegal torrents (do they?). They do list this in their about page:

    TorrentFreak was featured on mainstream news outlets such as CNN, The Wall Street Journal, New York Times the BBC, the Guardian and the LA Times.

    • 150,000+ RSS subscribers
    • Top 50 Techmeme leaderboard
    • Top 100 blogs on Technorati

    Which makes it seem like they are not a sensible thing to block. I've not visited the site for a great many years, but if you only object to the sites that you use being blocked then it's very easy for censors to creep in.

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  13. Just block facebook by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    They are evil too, even more so.. that should get about 3.9 million of their 4mil customers pissed off.

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    1. Re:Just block facebook by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Plus it'll do a lot more to protect children than the government's porn-blocking proposal.

  14. Saw similar with Virgin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A month or two back not long after they blocked TPB I was getting the same 'this website is blocked by court order' page for Golden Old Games (GOG.com) when I went there to purchase a game. It only happened for a day but I bet that was similar fallout from the blocking scheme.

    I wonder how many other people saw that? I wonder how many people who saw that then thought GOG was a pirate site charging money for old games without the correct licenses? I wonder how long before somebody sues for loss of trade over and damage to reputation over these fault filters.

  15. Re: Who cares? by amiga3D · · Score: 2

    I listen to NBC and get all the leftie info then tune in FOX and get the right's viewpoint. It makes the news interesting when you see it from both sides.

  16. Re:So, What You're Saying is... by davydagger · · Score: 2

    unless the word "proxy" is....filtered.

    for now you can "opt-out"

    but not if your at a coffee shop, cafe, library or public network.

    the UK is now in the leauge of China, and Iran as far as internet access goes.

  17. Re: Who cares? by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It makes the news interesting when you see it from both sides.

    Notice how easily they convinced you that there were only two sides...

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  18. Re:So, What You're Saying is... by classiclantern · · Score: 2

    And now you know the real reason for this bullshit. Censorship was never to protect the children. Children don't give money to politicians, corporations do. It's always been about perceived copyright violation by "Big Media." All hail our bought and paid-for ruling class. Follow the money.

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  19. Re:So, What You're Saying is... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the UK is now in the leauge of China, and Iran as far as internet access goes.

    You might want to try that again.

    I'm in China right now, and I've no trouble accessing either TorrentFreak or TPB.

    (And no, I'm not using a proxy or VPN, just a bog-standard residential connection.)

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  20. Re:Custom Hosts files get you around DNSBL's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some ISPs are blocking by IP, not domain.

  21. Re:Custom Hosts files get you around DNSBL's by RotateLeftByte · · Score: 1

    Yeah but....

    I've now come upon two separate Windows 7 systems where the \windows\system32\drivers\etc (the etc) bit was suddenly now a hidden directory.

    WTF??????

    Is this MS getting into bed with the Gov and hiding the very place where you can 'fix' your system to bypass the filters....?

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  22. Re:Custom Hosts files get you around DNSBL's by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    This time I was able to detect an APK "MY LEET HOSTS FILE YADDA YADDA" post after reading just the very first line.

    Damn, I'm getting good.

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  23. Re: Who cares? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

    It makes the news interesting when you see it from both sides.

    Notice how easily they convinced you that there were only two sides...

    I'm not sure which represents the greater tragedy--that, or the fact anyone could mistake NBC for being "leftist".

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  24. Re:So, What You're Saying is... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    An American ex-pat I work with seems to have trouble with some of the most basic of computer problems, your stereotypical person of age who didn't grow up with computers.

    Yet he has a VPN to a server back in the states so he can watch Hulu content without the stupid geobarriers. The word proxy and VPN almost already is a household word.

  25. Re:So, What You're Saying is... by xenobyte · · Score: 0

    It is truly a sad day now that it seems that the UK censors the Internet more severely than even China.

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  26. They'll switch hosting providers then.... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Per my subject: That allows this to work via hosts usage to bypass DNSBL's done by host-domain names... and will, of course, allow these filesharing sites to work vs. this also.

    * Always more than 1 way to "skin a cat"...

    ( & you can BET that's what these filesharing sites will do, or have to do, to circumvent this ).

    APK

    P.S.=> I didn't see that in the article summary here though (what you mention in using IP address based blocks) & I didn't read the source article either though - However/Again though:

    That IP addressed blocking you speak of?

    VERY simple to bypass for these file-sharing sites by them switching hosting providers - then you get their IP address & equate it to the host-domain name in your hosts file & voila - done (I do NOT agree with PIRACY though, by any means)...

    ... apk

    1. Re:They'll switch hosting providers then.... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No - they block the IP. It redirects to their "this website is blocked page". They hijack the route to their own servers.

      You can't fight it with a hosts file, you need a proxy.

  27. Re:So, What You're Saying is... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    *facepalm*

    He doesn't mean that the China censors torrents. He means that China censors at all. Try visiting facebook or twitter, or other websites where citizens can pick up dangerous opinions.

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  28. Re: Who cares? by Rockoon · · Score: 2

    Well, its certainly leftist from the American perspective where the right is "religious conservative" and the left is "whatever is popular today"

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  29. Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://piratebrowser.com/

  30. Heh - They used an even "sneakier" way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/08/10/1519211/the-pirate-bay-launches-browser-to-evade-isp-blockades

    * Like I said earlier here to you -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4075157&cid=44530715 "Always more than 1 way to skin a cat" (besides doing what I noted in switching their hosting providers, which hosts would work for since it's host-domain name based, but hosts won't work vs. firewall outbound/inbound ISP level rules based on IP addresses).

    APK

    P.S.=> Big "Cat & Mouse" game is all this is... you take what people want from them in this arena (computing)? They figure out a way to do an "end run" around it...

    ... apk

  31. SKY customers being blocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    SKY is operated (largely) by NEWS Corp aka Murdoch and Fox news

    So CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A BLOCK ON the SUN Newspapers Website and FOX news -

    That would at least be some positive achievement out of this shambles

    I live in the UK and I see a totally inept, totally technophobic government try to work the 21st century with 19th century tools and mentality.
    We have 2 little rich boys trying to run a country that is in a shambles because they don't understand anything - basically.
    Oh and to keep the balance - the other lot aren't much better
    Too many lawyers and PR executives and not enough techies - or anyone who has actually had to work for a living - in our government.

  32. Re:Custom Hosts files get you around DNSBL's by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    Editing the hosts file on Windows also tends to result in antivirus software triggering. Understandable: Very few users these days have reason to edit the hosts file, but it's a very common target for malware (Redirect banking sites to pick up passwords, or redirect ad banner servers to those operated by the malware authors) so any editing of the file will be flagged as suspicious. A few times I've had Windows itsself revert the file to default automatically, but that was under Vista - I don't know if 7 does that or not.

  33. Re:So, What You're Saying is... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    I merely pointed out some facts. You're free to interpret them as you wish.

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  34. Re:So, What You're Saying is... by HiThere · · Score: 1

    An excellent comment, even if you slightly miss the point. Different countries will filter different things...which, actually, is the main hope.

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    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  35. Re:So, What You're Saying is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I merely pointed out some facts. You're free to interpret them as you wish.

    You didn't point out anything; the poster said "in the same league as" then you deliberately reinterpreted that statement as narrowly as possible by claiming the connecting idea was "blocking TorrentFreak" rather than "Internet censorship."

    I'm going to assume you're not a native English speaker, since the alternative is that you don't have 2 brain-cells to rub together.

  36. Re:So, What You're Saying is... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

    the UK is now in the leauge of China, and Iran as far as internet access goes.

    Actually, China is monitoring and filtering UK's internet access. (Huawei) Welcome to you Chinese overlords.

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  37. Am I the only one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... who thinks they should have added Sky's website once they figured it out? "ISP accidentally blocks itself" might get more mainstream news attention on how poor of an idea this is.

  38. Re:So, What You're Saying is... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    Don't, whatever you do, opt out. Your name will be added to the UK Pervert Database and the next time some poor soul is raped and murdered in your area the police will be rounding up anyone who opted out of the "pornography" and "weapons and violence" categories.

    If you opt out of the "suicide and self-harm" filter you can expect a visit from an NHS mental healthcare professional. Seriously, I asked my MP about the filtering and told her not to use the example of saving a single life because it was flawed, so she used the example of saving a single life. Apparently someone said they were going to kill themselves on Twitter and the police backtraced their IP address so they could rescue them, but that wasn't good enough and she thought that the government should be monitoring Google searches.

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  39. My app prevents viral hosts infestation (how) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use your antivirus rules: "Overriding" defaults by creating an "exception" rule 4 hosts to leave it alone (was a problem initially in Windows Defender in Windows 8 initially in fact)...2nd: Regarding hosts files being attacked (by malware makers):

    My app overwrites the hosts in its default location to protect vs. malware contaminating the hosts file.

    Even if/when redirected too via -> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\Tcpip\Parameters DatabasePath, since that's what I do to AVOID malware contamination the hosts file in 1 part (overwrite from a pristine copy is 2nd measure). Essentially creates almost a *NIX style 'shadow password' list file decoy in the default location - So, if anything changes it? It only reads up from where I REDIRECTED the hosts to be referenced (not the default either, it's off slower HDD & onto a "True SSD" here for faster seek/access that's based on DDR-2 RAM)). That keeps it clean, via refreshing it periodically.

    UAC helps too, but that's bypassable - BUT to supplement UAC protection (especially if you leave my program running resident in the tooltray doing automatic 12 hr. updates)? I made my program, while running, WRITE PROTECT the hosts file every 1/2 second - too fast to "unlock" it for malware to overwrite it & to update it periodically/automatically as well... It works to protect hosts alongside UAC: Especially when coupled with the fact my app updates & refreshes hosts (overwriting malicious entries by malware).

    In this case though, hosts probably won't work - ISP's got wise to that & can do DNS ip block (this article) or firewall inbound/outbound rules. Neither of which hosts combat here anymore than they do BGP tricks.

    APK

    P.S.=> 7 doesn't do it afaik! However, I *may* have created that exception rule I spoke of in my subject-line LONG ago & forgotten about it (Windows 8 initially had issues with it though)... apk

  40. War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Internet has become a war zone (Because government agencies have tried to seize control over it, and corporation want control over a lot more than their share).

    Government and corporate sites can and should be taken down using similar methods. If an ISP gets in the way, then find ways to motivate them.

  41. Re:So, What You're Saying is... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    I did not miss the point.

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  42. Re:Custom Hosts files get you around DNSBL's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's not like that in Win 7.

    Just to play devils advocate:

    It also prevents you from using the HOSTS file as an adblocker (pointing adservers to loopback) on Metro apps. It's being sold as a "security feature".

  43. Re: Who cares? by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    Well there are two major political mafias. That makes two sides. Most media outlets support either one or the other. There are some fringe groups who can't pull enough votes to matter to the media.

  44. It's a "cat & mouse" game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If tTorrentFreak switched hosting providers = new IP address (for a domain name they own @ least, or should).

    However, I imagine if caught in "wrongdoings" online, THAT host-domain name (or their right to it) could be "revoked" too.

    Who knows.

    I do know & ADMIT that hosts won't stop IP based threats or blocks based on IP address @ the ISP level, admittedly. Hosts won't stop it if they implemented firewall rules outbound/inbound @ the IP address level as well vs IP address based DNSBL (hosts = ineffective vs. BGP threats too).

    * Hosts files excel on a number of levels, but they don't solve everything... but can compliment &/or supplement things that can on the same OR other, levels.

    APK

    P.S.=> Apparently as I noted in my other post @ the same threshold reply level as yours? The TorrentFreak people put out something entirely different to combat this (TOR onion router based FF build) -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4075157&cid=44531127 ... apk

    1. Re:It's a "cat & mouse" game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TorrentFreak != The Pirate Bay

  45. possible solutions? by polyp2000 · · Score: 2

    There are a variety of solutions to these problems.using alternative DNS is one but this does not work in the case that IP addresses are blocked. Proxies may also work but in the end these are reliant on no blocks existing on the proxies network .Even then how long before proxies are blocked ?TOR seems like a good idea but in reality its a bit slow and thus you couldn't just route all your traffic through it. What is the long term solution to this?

    Does anyone have any long term predictions or ideas about how we might work around this in a way that performs well and is more future proof?

    FYI. EZTV is also blocked with BT infinity. And my VM at Bytemark cannot access either

    my fear is that what happens when Microsoft or apple start putting pressure on the government to block things like cyanogen or the Linux kernel?

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