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Search For Evi Nemeth Continues
oneiros27 writes "Although the initial search for Evi Nemeth (and some other people who didn't write Unix books) ended, family and friends of the missing crew are funding a private search effort for the crew. They've managed to get more images from DigitalGlobe of the drift area, but now need help looking through the pictures. If you've got some free time, you might be able to help save some lives."
This is an instance where you would want to have Google and its awesome machine learning and image processing skills to do the work for you. Do an image search for something like 'snake', ignore the pages with the word snake on them so you get only the ones where the Google image processing algorithm finds the subject matter ... You'll find images where you wouldn't recognize theres a snake in the picture if you weren't told.
Its REALLY impressive at this stage of the game how well it works. I'm sure there are others that have good tech, but I've never seen anything at their level.
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If they managed to get into their dinghies and survive that long, it'd be one of the most amazing feats of seamanship... right up there with the lifeboats from the Bounty or those awful voyages where 19th century whalers cannibalized each other.
You people who imagine anyone from the boat Nemeth was on is still
alive obviously have no idea about the conditions in the southern ocean.
If drowning doesn't kill you, hypothermia will, and if that doesn't kill you,
a few days without fresh water to drink will do the trick.
Unless those on board the boat were able to don survival suits and carried
food and water with them and were able to get into their life raft which may or
may not have deployed such that it could even be used, the chance that anyone
survived is as close to zero as it gets. Sure, it's nice to hope people survived,
but these people are all fish food by now.
Evi Stopped teaching Unix Sys Admin the semester I took it (you were a good teacher Tor, I just was looking forward to Emi). I remember her smiling at me going through the hallway between classes, funny how I remember that. I think I was a little star struck because she was the equivalent of an A list celebrity in the UNIX world.
I followed the link and found her book on amazon. On the cover of the book: a sailing ship with stuff floating around it.
Were they highly trained survivalists? Sorry, but they called off the search for a reason.
They called off the search because statistically it's unlikely that anyone could have survived at sea that long.
But if it were my loved ones, without proof that they died at sea, I'd still hold out the hope that perhaps they washed up on an island somewhere and are living in Gilligan's Island style Tiki huts.
This is a private effort, so you don't have to participate if you don't want to.
Then they're fine, they can just replicate everything they need.
I don't get it. The tomnod page seems to shows a map of the area, not satellite images. How are you supposed to search for anything in an empty pale blue picture?
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The HMS Endurance and Shackleton.
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is it just me or is anyone else having a lot of trouble with the site. i cant seem to get it to load properly in both firefox and chrome
people are fucking morons. hey lets build a site that doesnt work on firefox, with no diagnostic tools to tell you its broken.
for money!
...misread the title as: "Search for Evil Nemesis Continues" ?
I've been looking for a while just to help, but it would be tons more efficient if I could download about 100 square KM of images at a time - it only takes a second to tell a page has no items of interest, but many seconds to load each movement either to a new area or to scroll the minim-map any direction.
I could probably have searched the same area in a tenth the time if the transition between areas was seamless, which would enable me to allocate time to search a much larger area.
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But then the tool blocked me out and required me to create an account. I don't want to create an account. I've got too many accounts already.
If people wanted to do a "good thing" they wouldn't insist on commercializing it.
Possible sail? (4 inches from right, 2 inches from top): http://tomnod.com/nod/challenge/ninarescue2/map/207355
Not to make light of the situation, but did anyone else glance at the headline and see 'Search for Evil Nemesis Continues?'
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How do you actually get other people to see what you've found? Is it built in the tool somehow? Shouldn't I then be able to see other people's finds? Or is the whole of slashdot meant to start posting random map links to each other?
Anyway for what it's worth, what do you think of this? http://tomnod.com/nod/challenge/ninarescue2/map/207268 oblong structure around 70ft with a homogeneously white (eye-of-faith-reddish?) 10-20ft structure slightly left and above it? Top mid-right of the map (on my portrait-oriented monitor)
Is this kind of a SOS light? http://tomnod.com/nod/challenge/ninarescue2/map/203266 Also, Take a look at this: http://tomnod.com/nod/challenge/ninarescue2/map/194349
To my mind, at a minimum of 10ft (3.3 m) size of the raft, one'd be looking for objects about 5-7 pixels to my estimate
That's about right.
No seriosly, am I doing wrongs searching for so small "redish" objects?
I think so as bright sunlight on red could easily wash out to white, just look for anything around the size you mentioned that looks more "solid".
I flagged two items that were about two to three pixels wide, but looked slightly more solid than the other whitecaps you could see at times.
As I said it takes only a moment to see if the page has anything interesting or not, most are quite flat with elements only a pixel or two large, or else regular repeating wave patterns where it would be easy to discern a break in the pattern.
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Having worked recently a bit with computer vision techniques, I wonder - are there no automated tools ready for this task?
Looking into the site I see the first few tiles are really just empty ocean, should be not too complicated to automatically filter away these and only present interesting tiles to users?
Especially, finding missing people on the sea with satellite imagery is probably no new task, is there really no software ready for this?
To my knowledge, aerial photographs have always been a major tool in millitary reconnaissance since the 60s or so, surely someone somewhere put some work in to automated analysis of such photographs.
Is this really the state of the art in search and rescue? This tool is terrible. There should be some false positives built in at least to keep people interested like they do with search dogs. Make it more like a game if you're going to ask for volunteers. No zoom capabilities. No perspective. How the hell can you tell what you're really looking for with no sense of scale? The tutorial is awful and doesn't accurately depict scale. No independence to search certain grids. It should start on a real raft or boat then suggest you to jump to a spot that no one has covered yet. No Access to the raw data of the search. Tide tables, drift rates, weather reports, etc should be built in and accessible for those able to understand them. Some idea of what has been at least looked at once already would help. With the ability to look again or not in the users hands. And agonizingly slow load times for images. That's ridiculous in the age of google maps. Also they should have used unix ;)
There are no islands in that region and the weather/water is deadly cold.
Yes, with stereo-viewing two images of same area with identical
magnification taken at different times (or quick shift-viewing).
What's possible in astronomy should be possible on earth.
It looks as though Earhardt might have washed up on an island somewhere, so yeah, it seems worth holding out hope.
I was just reading the other day about some Japanese guys whose boat was blown out to sea and they eventually wound up in the US. At the time it was illegal to leave Japan, so it was decades before some of them found a safe way back in. Their families were stunned.
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Oh, this is the Nina story. Here in NZ we've been getting this in the news over the last few months, but they never mentioned that anybody 'famous' might be on board. I'd just assumed it was another recreational fishing boat that went missing.
I really, really hope they find them, dead or alive. At least there would be some closure. Just going missing all this time is like a splinter that won't heal, you know?