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First Asteroid Discovered At Uranus's Leading Trojan Point

LeadSongDog writes "Space.com is reporting on a 60km comet-like body in Lagrangian orbit around the Sun, locked to Uranus's leading Trojan Point. This means a distant, but fairly accessible supply of water-ice, hence: reaction mass, hydrogen and oxygen for robotic miners if we can just get them there with an energy source. 'The sun and Earth have two Trojan points, one leading ahead of Earth, known as the L-4 point of the system, and one trailing behind, its L-5 point. The sun and other planets have Lagrangian points also, with asteroids seen at those the sun shares with Jupiter, Neptune and Mars. Scientists thought the Trojan points of Uranus, the seventh planet from the sun, were too unstable to host asteroids."

90 comments

  1. Baby, lead my trojan point in Uranus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    pls

    1. Re:Baby, lead my trojan point in Uranus by rudy_wayne · · Score: 5, Funny

      Slashdot -- Celebrating 16 years of anus jokes

    2. Re:Baby, lead my trojan point in Uranus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assteroid
      That is all.

    3. Re:Baby, lead my trojan point in Uranus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ass+Terds+Hemorrhoids=Asteroids

  2. Oh Dear by Oysterville · · Score: 5, Funny

    That headline caused the heads of many a troll to explode.

    1. Re:Oh Dear by interval1066 · · Score: 0

      Must. Resist. Temptation....

      I'm just trying to resist the temptation to make a more obfuscated story... planetary "trojan points", lagrangian orbits, reaction masses... I feel like I'm reading the minutes of the last astrophysics jamboree. I know its /. and everyone likes to compare penis sizes but do we really need the jargon? This isn't the American Journal of Astrophysicists.

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    2. Re:Oh Dear by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 4, Funny

      Warp speed, Mr Sulu.

      Yeah... THAT'S the guy you want maneuvering near Uranus...
      Oh My!

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    3. Re:Oh Dear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're weird. There's nothing particularly jargony there.
      I guess my 12-year-old might ask a couple of questions about vocabulary, but aren't we all adults here?

    4. Re:Oh Dear by Maudib · · Score: 1

      Its fine, his trojan is on point.

    5. Re:Oh Dear by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      "Warp speed, Mr Sulu."

      Mr. Sulu? You want him to race away from catty "ass-teroid" humor? I think George might be motivated to penetrate this mystery himself... Especially if he's wearing that Trojan.

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    6. Re:Oh Dear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Urectum? You nearly killled 'um!

    7. Re:Oh Dear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should not be reading this site, if you cannot do a simple google search for the phrases in question.

      Knowledge should be sought, not presented to you on a platter. Why don't you fuck off back to Gawker or Mashable and get your watered down news there.

    8. Re:Oh Dear by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Guess how big your's is measuring right now...?

      Guess what a greengrocer's apostrophe says about your education...

    9. Re:Oh Dear by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Lagrangian points are 18th century stuff, asteroids are 19th century stuff, combining them and calling the result "trojans" is more 20th century or late 20th century stuff so that makes it advanced and recent.
      Better editing would have introduced the "lagrangian point" term before mentioning L4 and L5, which are lagrangian points. The robotic mining part is space nuttery (why not mine from the giant planet itself?, there's more stuff and it's a cool idea too)

    10. Re:Oh Dear by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Guess what a greengrocer's apostrophe says about your education...

      Is suggests that he was educated with a radish. Hammered home. Sideways. Dry.

      About what is deserved for succumbing to a "Uranus" joke.

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    11. Re:Oh Dear by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      (why not mine from the giant planet itself?, there's more stuff and it's a cool idea too)

      ... and the "surface" of the planet (cloud tops, actually) is at the bottom of a deep gravitational well. That is the "why not".

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  3. Go to the Doctor... by Smivs · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...if Uranus has asteroids. He can give you some cream for it.

    1. Re:Go to the Doctor... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Of course, it's only after having asteroids that you realize how Uranus benefits from a Trojan point.

    2. Re: Go to the Doctor... by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing there would be a lot of uncomfortable probing with a sonic screwdriver and then he'd tell you Uranus has hosted quite a few unshielded Cybermen in the last couple of months.

  4. To bad it wasn't the trailing Trojan Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    If so, they should name the asteroid hamster.

    1. Re:To bad it wasn't the trailing Trojan Point by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      This post wins the entire discussion.

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    2. Re:To bad it wasn't the trailing Trojan Point by dargaud · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I respectfully disagree, since it's hanging onto Uranus' orbit, it should be named Dingleberry. Or at the very least Klingon (or Clingon).

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    3. Re:To bad it wasn't the trailing Trojan Point by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      if they name the langrange Duck Tape, would it stick?

  5. Looks like by Jmc23 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    someone forgot to wipe!

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  6. Oh boy by lesincompetent · · Score: 1

    Someone has to change that planet's name ASAP.
    Neil deGrasse Tyson are you listening?

    1. Re:Oh boy by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Someone has to change that planet's name ASAP.
        Neil deGrasse Tyson are you listening?

      It doesn't take an astrophysicist. Caelus is the roman equivalent, and less prone to bevis and butthead tag lines.

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    2. Re:Oh boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No worries. We are considering other names. Urectum seems to be high on the list though...

    3. Re:Oh boy by Mateorabi · · Score: 2

      According to Prof. Farnsworth they will have changed its name prior to the year 3000 to 'Urectum'.

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    4. Re:Oh boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps americans simply should starting education in school how to pronounce Uranus properly ... and while we are at it: the letter combination of "eu" like in Zeus or Europa needs fixing, too.
      No wonder the old gods are all gone if no one even is able to call them bei theor proper name :)

  7. Troll-proof headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MC Hammer memorial headline

    Anyone trying to troll that headline is going to come up looking lame.

  8. Well, it was a blast by Stiletto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Uranus" and "trojan" jokes. This is what Slashdot has become.

    1. Re:Well, it was a blast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Still downright refreshing compared to the usual libertarian politics and NSA paranoia.

    2. Re:Well, it was a blast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libertarianism is idiocy, but "paranoia" about the NSA's scope creep has been well borne out.

    3. Re:Well, it was a blast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot was really never anything better. I really only come here to troll anymore but let's be honest, there's next to no tech. Certainly no hard tech. The political opinions of the vast majority of the fucks here are a sad joke. Science is mostly a joke and what little informative information gets passed around isn't very advanced. Let's not even get into matters like IP where we're still dissecting the word "steal" after more than a decade.
       
      Slashdot is like the local Vets bar... a bunch of old guys trading the same war stories that every one of them has heard dozens of times, drinking lousy draft piss water and arguing over wether the last guy up to bat was safe or not when he got to first base.
       
      Meh. Better to just troll and at least get a bit of a chuckle out of it all.

    4. Re:Well, it was a blast by wooferhound · · Score: 1

      That's No Moon . . .

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    5. Re:Well, it was a blast by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      "paranoia" about the NSA's scope creep

      "Scope creep", singular? So there's only one person at the NSA looking at us with a periscope? As long as he's not putting it in Uranus....

  9. distant, but fairly accessible by foobsr · · Score: 1
    good luck

    CC.

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    1. Re:distant, but fairly accessible by atherophage · · Score: 1

      All based on the possibly flawed assumption comets are composed of slushy ice and rocky dusty bits. The good folks at Thunderbolts.info have for years been gathering information which suggests cometary bodies are dry rocky objects. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34wtt2EUToo&list=PLwOAYhBuU3UfvhvcT1lZA6KbSdh0K2EpH&index=3

    2. Re:distant, but fairly accessible by Zocalo · · Score: 2

      Also pretty useless, I suspect. I can't imagine that there are all that many places that we might want to go that meet the criteria of both having Uranus' L4 or L5 point on route and not having a more viable alternative refuelling stop available. Maybe that will change if (and it's a very big "if") we discover that the Kuiper belt is a vast resource of valuable minerals and develop the technology to exploit it, but until then it's just an astronomical curiousity that might provide some useful information on what we can expect to find at more accessible trojan points. I think we'll see a Monolith Burger outlet at the Jovian L4/L5 points long before anything from Earth even visits here.

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    3. Re:distant, but fairly accessible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      distant, but fairly accessible

      ... just like your mother.

      Don't tell me you weren't all thinking it.

  10. When will slashdot read the memo? by wbr1 · · Score: 1, Funny
    Due to unending tasteless jokes, Uranus is now known as Urectum.

    What the point of a trojan leading asteroids into Urectum is, I am not sure, but it sounds like...

    "Dammit Jim, I'm a physician, not your proctologist."

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  11. Stable? Unstable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The trojan points are only meta-stable anyway. So for people to say that they thought the leading trojan point of Uranus was too unstable to capture an asteroid isn't thinking clearly. When was it captured? Last year? When will it leave the trojan point? In two weeks? They need to think about what "stable" and "unstable" mean in cosmological time. It can be unstable but still last in that configuration well past the time you and I die.

  12. Planet mayhem by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    The reputation of that planet is so damaged that I actually chewed out my daughter for "getting stuck with" Uranus. "But it was such a pretty blue", the naive little grade-schooler said.

    "Next time don't dilly-dally and get in line early and pick a real planet, so that your family won't be embarrassed, you got that?"

    "Yes, Daddy. Next time I'll pick Pluto....."

    1. Re:Planet mayhem by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      The reputation of that planet is so damaged that I actually chewed out my daughter for "getting stuck with" Uranus. "But it was such a pretty blue", the naive little grade-schooler said.

      "Next time don't dilly-dally and get in line early and pick a real planet, so that your family won't be embarrassed, you got that?"

      Please tell me you're joking and/or I should be hearing a rather loud woosh right now. If not, please seek professional help before you screw up your child(ren).

    2. Re:Planet mayhem by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      It's a lesson in reality: a lesson in embarrassment, family "face", and competition. Life is cruel; you have to learn to play the game right or get stomped on. How is one going to handle future sadistic bosses or future stupid mother-in-law's without such lessons? The rainbow and sunshine times of kindergarten have moved on for such a student.

    3. Re:Planet mayhem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a horrible person. I hope you die.

    4. Re:Planet mayhem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a lesson in reality

      Lesson: Daddy cares more about his own imaginary embarrassment than he does about you. And this will get worse the older you get. Try to limit Daddy's role in your life.

    5. Re:Planet mayhem by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      If not, please seek professional help before you screw up your child(ren).

      He could always go to his priest to make sure that his children get properly, professionally screwed up.

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    6. Re:Planet mayhem by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Daddy is just a mirror of society.

    7. Re:Planet mayhem by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Welcome to Slashdot, dear Daughter! Don't forget to do your homework, though.

    8. Re:Planet mayhem by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Daddy is trolling, methinks.

  13. Don't forget the Dwarf Planet Ceres. by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ceres is a dwarf planet that makes up about 1/3rd the mass of the asteroid belt. It's thought to be made of rock and ice as well. So, it would have RAW materials for both building and fueling... If you don't mind all the other rocks whizzing by. Closer proximity to the sun means it's faster to use solar to split H2O closer in.

    Amazing to think of a future where fuel could be made at such sites (even out of water on the moon) and then distributed to other orbits about the solar system to fuel up on in transit. The biggest benefit of finding caches of resources like this is that they've got a much lower gravity tax...

    Uranu's trojan asteroid would be sort of like a gas station in the middle of no-where: "Slow down, pilgrim. Sun's not so bright you hafta scurry about. Time moves a bit slower for us robotic refuelers out here in the land of the midday night. One wrong move and it's 2.6 billion clicks to the nearest part store."

    1. Re:Don't forget the Dwarf Planet Ceres. by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      Rusty And Wet

    2. Re:Don't forget the Dwarf Planet Ceres. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ceres is all nice and well, and I'm not a rocket scientist to speak of. But I'd guess the probability of getting a nice hit by space debris while traveling or mining is somewhat higher amidst the asteroid belt ...

    3. Re:Don't forget the Dwarf Planet Ceres. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ceres is all nice and well, and I'm not a rocket scientist to speak of. But I'd guess the probability of getting a nice hit by space debris while traveling or mining is somewhat higher amidst the asteroid belt ...

      Yes, the probability is somewhat higher.

  14. They found a Trojan in Uranus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I checked the invariance of your Lagrangian. Hubba-hubba.

  15. Look What Happened to Pluto! by kenwd0elq · · Score: 2

    Does that mean that Uranus has not "cleared its orbit" of other objects? (That being one of the IAU's criteria for planet-hood)

    1. Re:Look What Happened to Pluto! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never liked that criterion either, but the IAU was very aware of the existence of Jupiter's and Neptune's trojan asteroids (don't know if Saturn has any) when they came up with it. So probably not.

    2. Re:Look What Happened to Pluto! by Urkki · · Score: 4, Informative

      Does that mean that Uranus has not "cleared its orbit" of other objects? (That being one of the IAU's criteria for planet-hood)

      No, on the contrary, it means Uranus has cleared it's orbit, any rocks that remain are in Lagrange points and 100% controlled by Uranus.

    3. Re:Look What Happened to Pluto! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does that mean that Uranus has not "cleared its orbit" of other objects? (That being one of the IAU's criteria for planet-hood)

      Duh, Uranus is 100 million times bigger than this thing. Unlike Pluto, which is 0.8 times bigger (whoops, smaller!) than other bodies in its orbit.

      More to the point, Uranus "controls" the orbit of this body. It has to follow in Uranus's exact resonance or it gets "cleared". Pluto can't clear shit, because it's a little ice ball just like all the other little ice balls in the Kuiper belt. In fact, it's own orbit is controlled by Neptune.

    4. Re:Look What Happened to Pluto! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this Pluto hysteria and hurt feelings about it really still a thing?

  16. Condom Joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There has to be a Trojan condom joke in there somewhere. Maybe somebody can mine Uranus for it.

  17. Re: Linux by suso · · Score: 1

    You're right that's how I ended up with two kids.

  18. Evocative.... by rayhigh · · Score: 0

    'Uranus' and 'Trojan Point'? Not that there's anything wrong with that....

  19. Negative moderation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I expect an "off-topic" rating on this post, but it seems like the whole population of Slashdot has (appropriately) used up their mod points marking things negatively in this thread. Props to you, moderators.

  20. Well, it's noce to know ... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    ... But it's hardly surprising. Uranus is a planet, and it's not in any particularly close resonance relations to any others, so you'd pretty much expect it to have some Trojan companions (double entendre resisted, almost). So that's Neptune, Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter definitely with Trojans ; Mars ... yes, three or seven, depending on who you ask ; Earth ... well allegedly yes, but there are complications like Cruithne too - a "quasi-satellite".

    It seems as if all of the Solar System's planets are obeying the universal law of gravity, with the arguable exception of Mercury and Venus. And for them (and outer dwarf planets too), the increasing complication of small spaces and/ or multiple bodies messing up relationships make it unsurprising that Trojans are rare and temporary enough to not have been found.

    It's nice work, but hardly earth-shattering. Not even Uranus-shattering.

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  21. uranus' leading trojan point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the technical term for when you drop the soap in the shower?