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New Snowden Revelation: Terrorists Attempting To Infiltrate CIA
cold fjord writes "The Washington Post reports, 'The CIA found that among a subset of job seekers whose backgrounds raised questions, roughly one out of every five had "significant terrorist and/or hostile intelligence connections," according to the document, which was provided to The Washington Post by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden. The groups cited most often were Hamas, Hezbollah, and al-Qaeda and its affiliates, but the nature of the connections was not described in the document. So sharp is the fear of threats from within that last year the NSA planned to launch at least 4,000 probes of potentially suspicious or abnormal staff activity .... The anomalous behavior that sent up red flags could include staffers downloading multiple documents or accessing classified databases they do not normally use for their work, said two people familiar with the software used to monitor employee activity.'"
No need for that anymore... guess he saved them alot of effort trying to get in.
If they can make Snowden out to be a terrorist, or a supporter of terrorism, or someone who knew a terrorist, or knew someone who knew a terrorist, they will try to justify assassinating him.
or actual infiltration?
The original Bin Laden al-Qaeda is practically non-existent, its Islamist affiliates are too busy trying to win over regimes in the mideast, Hamas is trying not to piss off the US considering that Obama has been much more pro-Palestinian. Hezbollah....maybe. We're talking about a few tens of thousands of eligible individuals here, most of them with Hezbollah and Hamas.
I have serious doubts that this is anything other than the Three Letter agencies trying to project a Cold War interpretation ("big centralized nation-state entity out to get us") onto a set of data that only shows small, disparate groups who are all actually too busy trying to avoid being smashed by the US, Israel, or the Arab League.
Bunch of bitchy little girls. Good news for you, I'm a drunk and a washout already, so I can talk to whoever I want, burned or no.
- Sam Axe
Unix, an obscure operating system developed by bored researchers in an attempt to get a better game playing experience.
They won't hire you if you don't have job experience, and they won't hire you if you do.
So, all the terror networks - you, know these horrible, horrible, fanatical, devoted, well-trained, well-funded nigh unstoppable guys against only America's best of the best of the best stand a chance to defend us - failed, the Russian, Chinese, Iranian professional spies failed; but Snowden got in all easy peasy. Yeah right.
I bet US's enemies regularly send over total idiots to get caught so the real moles get to work without being bothered.
Or Snowden really is a bona fida natural born super spy, who knows.
Well duh.
I think it would be an obvious move to have the NSA monitor "our" Congress-critters. Add their staffers, all the top people in the political parties, consulting companies and lobbyists. This is a manageable target size, all composed of people who presume to control public resources.
As a group these people have caused more damage than all terrorists put together.
Bent, folded, spindled, and mutilated.
Look at who signed this.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/experts-obama-here-what-do-syria_751267.html
The same old bunch of neocon bastards that lied us into Iraq as far back as the "Open Letter to Bill Clinton back in 1998.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
And really, read the rest of the PNAC site.
PNAC morphed into the Foreign Policy Initiative
http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/about/staff
http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/about
Even during Mitt Romney's candidacy Mittens had a fucking wb page *titled* "new american century* with much of the above philosophy basically cut-and-pasted. Which shouldn't be surprising since his foreign policy "brain trust" consisted of FPI bastards. Up to and including Dan Senor (FPI and PNAC alum) on Meet The Press saying that we should bomb Iran back then.
Read. It's not conspiracy theory when it's from their own mouths.
I wouldn't put it past these bastards to hire someone to detonate a sarin bomb in Damascus to gin up an excuse for an invasion. And now they're wondering what the fuck to do now that the President just said "Well, we should have Congress' input on this."
Fuck these guys for wanting to get us involved in another war where there is no winning, just more death.
--
BMO
Yea, that's the ticket. Set the ID10T terrorist up with their very own CIA infilitrator to feed them false intel, then nuke the shit out of them.
The anomalous behavior that sent up red flags could include staffers downloading multiple documents or accessing classified databases they do not normally use for their work, said two people familiar with the software used to monitor employee activity.
Except, apparently, one Edward Snowden. Which means for all of the paranoia, someone still got through.
What about the other Snowdens that aren't whistleblowers but real, actual spies?
This is another reason the NSA et al are foolish to dismiss Snowden as a threat, another reason why he should be embraced as a hero for shining light on a serious problem!
Peace,
Andy.
I would imagine that only US citizens can apply to work for the CIA -- there may be the odd expert from other NATO countries but forget that for now -- which means that one fifth of the candidate pool of US citizens who apply is someone 'suspicious.'
Well, I'd imagine most of the applicants are in the US military, engineers who have drifted into the military projects, and various academics and non-academic experts. Um, one in five of THOSE is a risk? How are you defining risk? Or is every Arabic speaker, brown person, someone who was ever on the university debating club a potential terrorist?
This is biology 101: you need risk tolerance otherwise if you choose your candidates from too narrow a pool --- say all military -- you risk weakening the working pool. Why? You need outliers to gain perspective otherwise you end up like that British newsman Reginald Bosanquet who struggled reading foreign names on TV each night. I understand that people who are in the military are generally of an authoritarian mindset and right wing, and agree with it as that's sorta what you need to be surviverable as a soldier in combat and likely this is the primary candidate group for the CIA but for policy, economic, cultural and scientific work, you necessarily choose from a broader group of people.
---- The above post was generated by the Turing Institute. Maybe.
Now add in all Israeli intelligence operative assigned to spy on the USA
They could have recruited them and followed them to the source. Goddamn morons over there at the CIA.
Seems like this would be standard procedure for corporate owned security and military industrial complex. Need people with connections that can make calls and channel money for the next big crisis and conflict when things get too peaceful for the defense industry to be profitable. Most of the big terrorist groups really don't do much unless somebody pays them. They may tout the banner of religion or ideology (and use that to bolster their lower ranks with ignorant peons), but to be honest they usually operate as mercenaries.
So finally, somebody actually put some light on this practice now?
Sorry, but the terrorists already have invaded every level of government in America:
Terrorist: a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.
If that doesn't accurately account for nearly every bureaucrat in the government -- the NSA, CIA, DHS, TSA, military, Pentagon, congressman, senator, mayor, governor, DoD, DoE, police, RNC/DNC -- then what the fuck does?
CIA, NSA, FBI etc will gradually lose interest in the general populace and, in the name of self-defense, gradually shift their investigative efforts onto themselves until they'll implode in a singularity of paranoia.
The anomalous behavior that sent up red flags could include staffers downloading multiple documents or accessing classified databases they do not normally use for their work, said two people familiar with the software used to monitor employee activity.
Downloading multiple files? Gee... it sounds like the NSA watchdogs are watching NSA staff so closely the typical NSA staffer has little time to do any actual work between attending regularly scheduled interrogations related the multitude of internal affairs investigations he set in motion while trying to get a bit of work done.
Only to idiots, are orders laws.
-- Henning von Tresckow
In other words, they either had a beard, have a "muslimy" name, or once touched somebody with a muslimy name.
Table-ized A.I.
Q: What do you like doing during your off time? A: l enjoy long-distance bike rides and wishing death to Israel. I mean collecting stamps.
"Terrorist" is the new "Red/Commie". Every generation needs a convenient vague Boogyman Bucket to shove people into they don't like.
Table-ized A.I.
I'm just sayin'
I don't know the meaning of the word 'don't' - J
I think the problem is EVERYTHING is labeled Top Secret and everything is a terrorist group. Is this going to embarrass Senator X? Label it top secret. Twenty years in the future, this fact MIGHT be pertinent. Label it Super Top Secret. Annoyed with someone? Label him a terrorist. Annoyed with a situation. Must be terrorists. In the rush to cover their governmental asses, everything must be labeled top secret and everyone must be spied on, because, ya know, they might become a terrorist someday. Land of the Free, as long as you do not upset anyone in power: corporate, military or government.
The CIA has been spreading terror for a long as I live.
Here's hoping that a significant portion of those intelligence employees are whistleblowers like Snowden and Manning. Whatever their personal failings, what they are doing is absolutely positive.
The US intelligence apparatus has gone way beyond the bounds of what is acceptable for a free society. We've already lost a lot of what allows us to differentiate ourselves from countries like North Korea or Iran, and every time new revelations come out, it's another opportunity for the citizens of the US to be outraged and take a stand.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I've asked everybody on the planet anonymously and nobody considers themselves to be a terrorist.
"Kill 'em all and let Root sort 'em out"
The sky is blue.
I'd be surprised if terrorists were not trying to infiltrate the CIA.
This actually makes the United States look good, doesn't it?
"Just look at the kinds of threats we have to deal with! If we didn't have these massive surveillance capabilities, our government would soon be overrun by terrorists!"
Is this the best we can expect from the Washington Post now that they're working "in consultation with the Obama administration"?
I don't see why people act so surprised, spies infiltrating other spy organizations has been the subject of books and films for a hundred years or more.
terrorists are trying to infiltrate my brown starfish! They want to stick their penises in my all-american asshole! If a terrorist wants to suck your dick, why not?. But don't let him stick his finger up your poop chute!
and they all ended up comprising the CIA ..
is always the most insidious enemy.
Holy shit, I never thought anyone else would notice al-Qaeda is just the Saudi wing of the CIA.
I've watched enough movies to know that is what spies do...infiltrate other spy organizations. Welcome to the first time someone sat around a fire with a bunch of people they just befriended in their freshly skinned furs to find out when they were going to be bringing their pointy sticks to the other camp of guys sitting around a fire eating their freshly butchered mammoth.
It would seem that in the English-speaking world it is considered that homosexuality is a genetical disease from within, and terrorism is a genetical disease from outside. If they want them, it is their problem.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/posts/BUGGER
Convenient paranoia in the TLAs is not new.
OMG, talk about an something Obvious. Shit, the Chinese, the North Koreans, the Russians, hell every country on Earth is trying to get their people into the CIA, and if they can't do that I'm sure they'll find some agency they can get into. If that fails there's always Industrial Espionage as well. Even a ex-CIA official thinks it's worse than in the cold war.
It's time to realize that a) we spy on the world and b) they spy on us and Industrial Espionage is probably more common than you think, even when the spies are employed to spy on companies in the same country!. http://images.businessweek.com/slideshows/20110919/famous-cases-of-corporate-espionage#slide6
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
Holy shit, I never thought anyone else would notice al-Qaeda is just the Saudi wing of the CIA.
List of prominent people which had noticed as well (some even in the US congress).
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
So I know ten people and although I can be fairly certain that none of them would ever use terror tactics one might have a negative view of the nation. Now that guy probably knows someone more likely to become violent at some point in the future. One can clearly see how easily one's name might get on some watch list. Most people are probably only a couple of layers of isolation away from knowing some sort or terror nut. And we don't even know it. I would think that a good enemy agent would give of an image of being beyond reproach and might be the guy leading the parade and carrying our flag. They surely are not stupid enough to express ideas that would make others suspect them.
Thanks.
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Men with no respect for life must never be allowed to control the ultimate instruments of death.
GW Bu
Don't ANY of us know how to read a news story and think for ourselves, anymore?
There's a methodology used to substantiate this kind of BULLSHIT claim. It can be described as shooting an arrow towards a wall, then drawing a bulls-eye around it, after the fact.
For another metaphor? Here's the word you get to drive your Mack truck through:
"Affiliated"
When you have the NYPD secretly assign all Mosques the "Terrorist Organization" label, and you have the CIA recruiting for record numbers of native Arabic speakers, for translation?
Call it "Psyop Ju-Jitsu". This is an all-star set up, to make a positive scare-tactic out of the negative public relations resulting from Snowden's revelations.
By-the-fucking-way, what else do you expect, when you let this kind of shit go down? Objective and agenda-less reporting of fact?
USA. It's like a police-state with Tesla Model S and overnight shipping, instead of Bread and Circuses.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
"because the best thing we can do is smash our own Honeypot"
Yeaah. From the Ministry of Truth. Tell me another one.
Who benefits from this story? "OOOOHHH! Snowden uncovered SCARY MUSLIMS!"
Only stupid reactionaries, who still believe Obama is a Communist, and not the tool of a Banking Elite, will fall for something this fake.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
... the NSA found 20% of CIA applicants had mentioned "shoes," "underwear," or "pressure cooker" in a phone call or email.
Now that I said that, I fell better.
Sociopaths are drawn to positions of power.
Allowing any positions of power without oversight creates a perfect breeding ground for terrorists.
For example, the cult of Scientology successfully infiltrated the IRS and other government agencies and used government authority to target new victims. See Operation Snow White.
There's also Whitey Bulger who planted an agent in the FBI that he used to help him commit murder and kidnappings while avoiding local police.
One extreme case was Kim Philby who rose to the very top of the UK secret police and had been an agent of the USSR since his school days.
There's also a long list of secret police and their agents who go rogue after tasting power. The violent street gang MS-13 was originally sponsored by the CIA to fight communists. Saddam was sponsored by the US military intelligence to fight Iran. Ahmadinejad was sponsored by the CIA to overthrow Iranian nationalists. Osama was sponsored by the CIA to fight the USSR. Noriega was sponsored by the CIA to fight the communists. The list is practically endless. Even Hitler was originally sponsored by the German secret police to infiltrate the national socialist party. You can think of him as a successful Oliver North. Look up North's involvment in REX84 and their plans for martial law in the US before he was exposed.
If we want an honest and stable society, we can't allow power without accountability.
The term has always been Al-CIA-da :)
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
We are all "affiliated" with Al-Qaeda.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Funny how some of the smartest people I know were all home schooled, problem with public school is the whole 'leave no child behind' so you sacrifice the bright students to attempt to smarten up the dumb ones instead of just failing them.
Anything coming from this snowden, especially anything that would aim to cast grave doubts into the activities of OUR US Government should be seen as crap. He shouldn't even have access to release any document and anyone receiving anything from snowden who does not immediately turn it over to the US Government should also not be trusted and be investigated now.
I like when you reply and argue with yourself. It seems to be among the most productive uses of your time.
I tend to be mostly on Snowden's side and I think he is fully justified to leak
evidence of illegal activity but how does he justify leaking this new
information? I find it interesting but is he now just leaking everything?
He weakens his case as a "whistleblower" by leaking random stuff classified
or otherwise that although interesting seems irrelevent to the illegal
activities he supposably was trying to expose.
I tend to be mostly on Snowden's side and I think he is fully justified to leak
evidence of illegal activity but how does he justify leaking this new
information? I find it interesting but is he now just leaking everything?
He weakens his case as a "whistleblower" by leaking random stuff classified
or otherwise that although interesting seems irrelevent to the illegal
activities he supposably was trying to expose.
Never mind the terrorists, what about Mexican drug cartels? Their power base is just over the border, they have billions of dollars to play with, and the U.S. contains (in various ways) the only real threats to their income stream. Out of all the people with Snowden-level access to the NSA`s databases, do you really think the cartels haven`t managed to compromise at least one?
Now think about where that leaves you...LEOs getting killed in raids they knew were coming because someone discussed it on a call the NSA wiretapped, politicians and judges being blackmailed with NSA-collected details of their private lives. Anti-cartel activists in Mexico outed by NSA leaks.
*That* possibility is what Snowden`s leaking has alerted us to. The TLAs have built a surveillance system beyond what the world`s bad actors could dream of, and they have LOST CONTROL OF IT.
The communist governments of the "Red/Commie Boogyman Bucket," as you refer to it, used to rule a major portion of earth, and managed to kill 100,000,000 people in the last century. Normally bogeymen are considered to be imaginary and don't manage to kill anyone. You may be confused.
The trailer for The Soviet Story may help you understand, as will this book, The Black Book of Communism reviewed here .
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
"From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli"
Yes the label does make sense, especially in taking over a French colonial war in South East Asia. Also for some reason you seem to have missed that the Korean border was drawn by two guys in the pentagon. A very long list of things went wrong since then, mostly due to every competent potential leader of the north being in the south trying to get Korea united and getting caught off guard by a power hungry idiot, but that war would not have happened without an empire reaching out a hand over the water and drawing an arbitrary line.
There's some interesting stuff Mark Twain wrote about the Austrian-Hungarian empire when he was a journalist in Europe if you want to get some insight into why the definition fits and why the word empire is not an insult but just a label.
By depriving them of food and medical care, something a capitalistic society would never do, right?
Table-ized A.I.
But who watches the watchers of the watchers. What are "they" hiding.
... that the NSA, CIA and friends are collecting ALL of our personally identifying information so it can be stolen from one convenient location.
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
The NSA is now doing a purge to eliminate any potential whistle-blowers from their ranks. The "Terrorist" part is just the public excuse.
Cat is out of the bag now. So who is paying Snowden's way? Hezbollah, Iran, Al Queda, China, N. Korea. He will eventually be found out and taken down. All in good time.
This looks like an opportunity to me.
You can bet that the mafia raised certain young people with the intention of getting them as spies within law enforcement agencies. The Outlaw motorcycle gang apparently went out of its way to get agents into the Florida law enforcement agencies with the intention of avoiding arrests and squirreling up convictions. You can imagine how this must work. You get a willing high school kid that fits the bill and keep him supplied with favors. It might be cars or motorcycles or girls or cash. But the deal is that they must do well in school and avoid trouble at all costs and do things that would look good for them as an employee applicant. In essence the guy will be useless at first but as he gains more and more exposure to information he can feed the club with ways to avoid convictions as well as ways to take money or make money. For example if you know of a dealer who has cash on hand the gang can strike and make quite a bit of cash with ease. Even mundane information such as who is applying to purchase an expensive gun or what address an expensive car or motorcycle lists on its registration can come in handy. And hooker arrests are of interest as well as a bit of overwhelming persuasion can take place to have her pimped out by the gang. One wonders how common this type of thing is in law enforcement agencies.
Terrorists Attempting To Infiltrate CIA
And here I was brought under the impression that they where already staffed by them.
Did everyone seriously forget that it's the other way around? The CIA created and trained a lot of these "freedom fighter" groups to install regimes in various countries over the past 70 years in the middle east. It's like most things the US Gov and it's corporate sponsors do; Arm a group of people, let them wreak chaos on an area, claim they need the intervention of the US war machine to save them, then loot them blind (unless it's a proxy war) before leaving them far worse off than they ever were.
Would it not be surprising if they did not try ?
If OP could please reply,
Why did they want us to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq? It still doesn't make sense to me. Resources?
Thank god this Snowden thing happened, else the public would have never known that terrorists were attempting to infiltrate the CIA. At least our other government branches are safe. Right guys? Right? Hello?
OK, 'Terrorists' are trying to enter the TLAs. One in five has 'significant terrorist connections'.
This reminds me of something I read in the local newspaper (run it trough a translator if you don't read Swedish) here in Sweden. A newspaper which is mostly based in TrollhÃttan, a city which has locations for GKN Aerospace, Saab and similar industries. It also has a junior college where you can study several disciplines of engineering, aerospace unsurprisingly being one of them.
Enter someone by the given name of Hussein. 16 years old, comes out in top of his class and is accepted to the GKN aerospace program, his first choice. Thus far nothing out of the ordinary, a disciplined student getting good results and seemingly on a track for a career in the field he has chosen.
Enter the American connection. Not more than half a day after he started his education he was called to the principle's office and told he was not allowed to continue his education. Not because he misbehaved. Not because he was not qualified. Only because he happens to be born in Iraq, a country which is on an American export embargo list. Given that GKN seems to have to abide by American export laws - even though we're talking about a Swedish subsidiary of a British company - they 'can not allow him to access the buildings in which American technology is handled'.
Hussein moved from Iraq to Sweden when he was 3 years old. He has lived in Sweden for 13 years. He is a Swedish citizen. He is born in the wrong country.
Are those maybe the 'significant terrorist connections' the TLAs are so worried about?
--frank[at]unternet.org
Actually given that most US Citizens qualify as terrorists for merely supporting the Constitution, having religious believes of the wrong type or otherwise "want the world to be a better place", seems sort of redundant to say "terrorists are trying to infiltrate the CIA" when all you need is US citizens applying to make that true.
Yet the system failed to detect Snowden. I'm guessing that they have the problem of having way too much information and little ability to analyze it. When you think about it they have missed quite a lot in the past few years.
Just an alternative gloss, of the same POV. Not an argument or contradiction. Amplification of one aspect.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
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