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BlackBerry Reportedly Prepping To Slash Workforce By 40 Percent

Nerval's Lobster writes "BlackBerry is preparing to slice up to 40 percent of its workforce by the end of 2013, according to anonymous sources speaking to The Wall Street Journal. The layoffs will reportedly shrink the company's overall operations and affect every department. A BlackBerry spokesperson refused to comment on the matter to the Journal. BlackBerry bet the company on the success of its new BlackBerry 10 operating system, but its first two 'hero' devices running the software — the Z10 and Q10 — failed to make much of an impact when they arrived on the market earlier this year. On Sept. 18, BlackBerry also unveiled the larger Z30, which runs an updated version of BlackBerry 10 and features a five-inch AMOLED touchscreen and larger battery. Once a dominant player in the mobile-device space, BlackBerry seemed helpless to respond as Google Android and Apple iOS slowly but surely chewed away its market-share over several quarters. As corporations adopted BYOD (Bring Your Own Device) policies, a flood of personal iPhones and Android devices helped displace BlackBerry as a mainstay of executives and office workers."

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  1. Is this a repeat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It seems like they're slashing their workforce every few months. How many people are left?

    1. Re:Is this a repeat? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

      After this? Three. They're kicking out the two other remaining people.

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    2. Re:Is this a repeat? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      I actually have a younger friend that joined them straight out of college. Quite a few of us felt that the writing was already on the wall in 2009 when he was considering them, so we tried to dissuade him from accepting their offer, but he did it anyway and then just settled in. Again and again, we tried to encourage him to leave or explore other options since he was a talented kid who could have gone to any number of places, but he kept insisting they had some cool stuff in the pipeline. We later found out he was working on the BB Torch, which was way behind its competition by the time it was released, but it's easy to comprehend why someone in his shoes might lose a sense of perspective and think it was the next big thing.

      I lost direct contact with him a few years back, but a few of my other friends keep contact with him still, and at least as of a few months ago, he was still there, apparently still insisting that everything was fine. If so, that's a corporate culture that has some real issues, since the ship is already mostly underwater at this point.

    3. Re:Is this a repeat? by ImdatS · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the insight. Unfortunately, that's exactly what I have observed working for many big companies in my life: people join, after a while they drink the local kool-aid and then stop being critical.

      I usually never criticize my company outside of the company itself. But within the company towards my superiors or peers, I'm quite critical of what we do and how we do it - provided I have an idea of how we could do it better.

      I have experienced, many times, that at certain point group-thinking starts becoming a key trait of employees and they stop looking outside - to the "real world", where there are competitors, consumers and others that need to be observed. When people start believing in their own BS, it's, unfortunately, too late. And that's what has happened in many companies I have experienced. In such a situation, trying to change the company is really quite difficult - though not impossible.

      From your explanation, your friend was young and inexperienced. I'd suggest to try to re-connect and mentor him to be critical in every company. Only with internal criticism can a company change and become better. If you are really as experienced as you seem to be, take the responsibility to mentor and coach such young people so that they are not lost in big corporations - especially if they are really brilliant people. They should not learn that the way the company works is the right way or the only right way. They should start being a lot more critical and think for themselves, through market research, critical thinking and inquiry.

      Just my two cents.

    4. Re:Is this a repeat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you dissuade him? I live in Waterloo region, a lot of RIM folks got cushy severance packages. Many of them are praying to be laid off at this point.

    5. Re: Is this a repeat? by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. You're probably better off losing contact with him.

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    6. Re:Is this a repeat? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      I thought they got rid of the twin-ceo's awhile ago...

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    7. Re:Is this a repeat? by robthebloke · · Score: 1

      The same number of people, just with fewer limbs.

    8. Re:Is this a repeat? by stewbee · · Score: 1

      So I was working for a small start up that was eventually bought by RIM. I left a few months afterwards because I passionately hated my boss (same boss as before the merger so nothing related directly to RIM). As a casual observer, I can see why your friend would want to stay. They had great benefits! Not sure if you are in Canada or US, but I am in the US. They were offering me 20 days of vacation a year. This is almost unheard of here now. Additionally, they were giving bonuses every year. The company itself I did not get much exposure to since I left so shortly afterward, but those things alone were pretty good.

    9. Re:Is this a repeat? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      They did; the two departing personnel were their last programmers.

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  2. Color Me totally unsurprised by BulletMagnet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    RIM (or Blackberry as they're known by now) rested on its laurels for far too long and let Android and iOS take over. I'm surprised they haven't just put the company up for sale and crossed their fingers someone would foolishly put in an offer.

    1. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There were no takers . . .

    2. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by larwe · · Score: 2

      Actually, they kinda have put the company up for sale. http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/12/blackberry-says-its-looking-for-a-buyer-or-a-willing-partner-forms-special-committee-to-explore-strategic-alternatives/ (Some other article on this topic quoted BB as saying they are "willing to entertain the idea of acquisition", and the author commented snarkily that this is meant in the same way that his three-year-old daughter is "willing to entertain the idea of being given a pony").

    3. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I see a number of parallels with Novell over the network server OS wars in the early 1990s. Novell had the business, and MS was a joke with WfW 3.11. However, things changed, and even though Novell moved to a better directory server approach, Windows NT's system of domains were muscling Novell out because one just needed to buy the OS and CALs, not the OS, the NOS, then the client licenses, as well as third party client software.

      I see similar with RIM over the past few years. They used to completely own the enterprise market and BES was a must have. They didn't play catch up as Windows Mobile, iOS, and Android advanced and started playing ball in the big leagues. The fact that BES isn't needed with iOS or Android, helped clinch the deal.

      Both companies owned their respective markets, but didn't adapt to changing demands, customer requirests, and overhead. Both Novell and RIM required additional backend items, compared to just running the OS as a file server, and Exchange as a mail server without needing third party add-ons.

      The fact that India forced RIM to say "uncle" and allow communications to be monitored didn't help RIM's image either.

    4. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by reeno49 · · Score: 0

      I enjoy the fact that, in a post titled "Color Me totally unsurprised", you mention how surprised you are.

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    5. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised they haven't just put the company up for sale and crossed their fingers someone would foolishly put in an offer.

      They did. Nobody wants to buy. Everyone is waiting for their evaluation to tank even further before putting in an offer for their patent portfolio (which is about the only thing of value they have left). Their next quarterly report, which is coming up soon, is going to be horrid and that will drive down their value. Someone might jump then but, more likely, everyone will wait until the second report which shows all the signs of also being terrible which will further drive down the purchase price before making a move.

      Why do you think they're cutting 40% of their workforce? They want to try to salvage their quarterly report so their purchase value doesn't evaporate.

      RIM/Blackberry is dead. The body doesn't know that the head has been cut off.

    6. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe Samsung will wait until they can buyout on the cheap. Get some of the device designs and patents. Although whatever Samsung would do with it would likely be based on Android, but carry over the keypad and Blackberry look-and-feel.

    7. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by daninaustin · · Score: 1

      Why is everyone modding this down? This analysis is on the mark. RIM was a good company and had a good product but they got lazy and were out innovated by Apple & Google. The end is near, it's only a question of whether someone buys the company or someone buys the assets after the collapse. I'm guessing it's the latter.

    8. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (long reply somehow lost "this resource no longer available' so quick bullets)

      - I suspect you didn't work on the Novell side of things back then, or were just very small business buying retail.
      - Novell CLA/MLA licencing was simpler. You bought CALs only and servers were free. Much easier to manage and typically lower cost assuming it wasn't a single geographical site.
      - MS won as they made it easier for low end resellers to sell their product. Valid reasons were close developer support and MS being easy to deal with Vs Novell arrogance. Bad reasons were that all the Novell products were streets ahead for Administrator and End User usability. Some of that is still true with a 15 year gap between versions.
      - BlackBerry 10 phones no more need BES than an iPhone. Equally (and again I'm assuming you only have personal or very small business experience) any iPhone or Android deployment still needs an EMM product....which is what BES is. BES10 supports iPhone, Android and Blackberry. BlackBerry are in the game, their major hinderance is that they left it so late which will be hard to make up.

    9. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      RIM, like many companies before them and certainly after them as well, at least subconciously felt they no longer had to innovate to stay successful. They felt like they had a lock on the corporate market and that what they were providing was exactly what the corporate environment wanted and needed.

      They failed to realize that personal devices would have as big a role in driving the enterprise as they did. Employees started carrying two phones, their personal device and a Blackberry that was corporate approved. RIM had many opportunities to see the writing on the wall and change course, but it seems at meeting after meeting they were making excuses as to why they didn't need to worry about the future.

      Up until recently I worked at a global company that still held a strict blackberrry only policy (expect for upper execs who could push to have their iPhones). Listening to the IT leadership argue why and that RIM would be around forever I am sure was the same sort of discussions RIM had internally. "We are more secure", "We are cheaper", "We provide exactly what business needs, without all the flash of an iPhone to distract", "We aren't going anywhere, enterprises won't all up and leave us".

    10. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      To be fair, the Novell comparison doesn't exactly match up... Novell at least (to their credit) diversified a little, and went all-in to Linux (albeit too late).

      Blackberry has done none of this, and (to extend the poker analogy) merely doubled-down on their own increasingly lousy hand.

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    11. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      AOL will probably buy them. It would make a perfect addition to their already sinking ship.

    12. Re: Color Me totally unsurprised by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      This. They saw the touchscreens take over and did nothing. But who can blame them after blackberries with keyboards replaced the touchscreen Palms that were oh-so-popular early to mid 2000s. But when they saw the iPhone come out they really should have kicked it into high gear after seeing how Apple completely dominated MP3 players with the greatest of ease.

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    13. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      To be fair, the Novell comparison doesn't exactly match up... Novell at least (to their credit) diversified a little, and went all-in to Linux (albeit too late).

      Blackberry has done none of this, and (to extend the poker analogy) merely doubled-down on their own increasingly lousy hand.

      Same misinformed song different singer.

      BlackBerry bought The Astonishing Tribe (They designed the UI for the G1) to redesign the BlackBerry UI.
      They also bought QNX to be the base for the new BB OS 10.
      In fact they were quite aggressive in acquiring properties to bolster their brand.

      On top of that they have diversified the BES (BlackBerry Enterprise Services) to secure iOS and Android devices.

      The problem BlackBerry has is mind share and they haven't got it anymore. The new ecosystem is actually quite impressive but without a large enough audience it is all moot. To get that mind share they will need a killer feature not available on the other systems and it's not that easy to do.

      But until BlackBerry actually announces the layoffs I am putting this one squarely in the rumor to get stock lowered for a buyout box.

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    14. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by supremebob · · Score: 1

      Perhaps Microsoft will buy them. Judging from their past investments, they seem more than willing to pony up big $$$ for formerly important cell phone manufacturers that are quickly losing market share.

    15. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by dj245 · · Score: 1

      Maybe Samsung will wait until they can buyout on the cheap. Get some of the device designs and patents. Although whatever Samsung would do with it would likely be based on Android, but carry over the keypad and Blackberry look-and-feel.

      It's not about the phone, it is about the secure email system. A lot of large conservative companies still can't break free of them because of the difficulty in controlling large numbers of android/IOS phones.

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    16. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by swb · · Score: 1

      Novell's problem was less about licensing than the fact that Netware was a "feature phone" OS that did file sharing very well and general applications very poorly. This was fine until the rise of the internet when people needed a general application platform for servers, and NT did that AND file sharing.

      Novell's NDS is STILL a superior directory service, but AD was good enough and with the ability to run server apps, directory services and file sharing over IP networks, NT was a pretty easy choice.

      Had Novell ported NDS and file sharing as services to Linux they may have had a fighting chance.

    17. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Prospective buyers are likely waiting for a large shrink in expenses, such as payroll.

      Samsung and Apple don't need all those employees that make phones that nobody buys. They already have employees that make phones people DO buy.

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    18. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      BlackBerry bought The Astonishing Tribe (They designed the UI for the G1) to redesign the BlackBerry UI.
      They also bought QNX to be the base for the new BB OS 10.
      In fact they were quite aggressive in acquiring properties to bolster their brand.

      All of those acquisitions do nothing (as in, bupkis) outside of the mobile device realm that Blackberry occupies. Nothing.

      Find me something that can be used outside of that realm, and I'll be happy to concede.

      Novell's acquisitions gave it reach into selling OSes (SuSE), email (GroupWise), and stuff well outside of their original directory/auth stuff. Hell, they even own UNIX (as in, SysV).

      On top of that they have diversified the BES (BlackBerry Enterprise Services) to secure iOS and Android devices.

      Sure - way the hell after Microsoft beat them to it with ActiveSync, and by the time they even bothered, BlackBerry had a mere sliver of their former marketshare. Too little, too late - it was moot point by the time BES got that kind of feature set.

      The problem BlackBerry has is mind share and they haven't got it anymore.

      TBH, they never had it. Apps wasn't the big selling point with a Crackberry - Push email was front-and-center, and nothing else mattered. They only bothered with apps as a corporate focus (and email as secondary) after the iPhone stole its girlfriend, and Android stole its lunch-money.

      RIM is only a half-step away from being a walking corpse. Barring a vortex that sucks up the towns of Cupertino and Mountain View, California? Nothing will change that.

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    19. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Up until recently I worked at a global company that still held a strict blackberrry only policy (expect for upper execs who could push to have their iPhones).

      I think the problem is that most of those big companies also moved to eliminate phones entirely for anybody but execs, and everybody else had to bring-their-own. Well, how many employees are going to go spend their OWN money to buy a blackberry? Now IT is under pressure by local managers who have no power to buy phones but want their workforce to still be connected, and thus the enterprise features just weren't as high a priority.

    20. Re:Color Me totally unsurprised by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      You have no idea what you are talking about. QNX gave them instant OS reach into industrial, medical, and automotive realms. In fact Automotive is the next big battleground and BlackBerry is in a key position to capitalize since QNX is already installed in an impressive array of auto makers cars already. I'm not saying they WILL capitalize but until Apple launched the iPod every industry expert was singing their death knell.

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  3. Too bad by houbou · · Score: 2

    I used to love my BlackBerry.. I bet they would have wished to have been bought by Microsoft instead.

  4. RIM JOBS FALL BY 40% by bellers · · Score: 4, Funny

    Film at 11.

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    1. Re:RIM JOBS FALL BY 40% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't recall Jobs ever working at RIM.

    2. Re:RIM JOBS FALL BY 40% by peter.kingsbury · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure those films can't be viewed until after midnight...

  5. I reduced my home workforce to 0 by kawabago · · Score: 1

    Now the place is a pig sty, we're all starving, but we're on budge!

  6. Remaining 60% by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will be seated at a table for 6 at Chilis, sucking up margaritas while lamenting how badly the BB CEOs screwed up their awesome market position by not even being able to beat Microsoft to market with a smartphone.

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    1. Re:Remaining 60% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, but seriously, there's no Chilis anywhere near BB HQ.

  7. Re:i look forward to the liquidation announcement by Desler · · Score: 1

    Amateur hour is over, bitches!!

    -RIM

  8. There's a lesson in here for every tech company. by sehlat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    RIM ended up known as "lawsuits in motion" for their dependence on the government-granted monopolies we call intellectual "property." They depended on these things instead of innovating and improving their products and staying ahead of the pack. Meanwhile, iPhones and Androids kept showing up with new features, better processors, improved OSes, etc. etc.

    The moral is simple, run like hell, don't look back because something might be gaining on you, and above all, don't stop to hire mercenaries to fight for you and then relax while a bunch of hired guns save your village with Elmer Bernstein's music in the background.

  9. Too bad - Q10 is a great phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hope BlackBerry manage to salvage their device business. The Q10 is the best phone I had since the N900. The multitasking is very similar, as is the integrated messaging. And the keyboard is superb. Of course, I wish it ran linux, but apart from that, it's great.

    1. Re:Too bad - Q10 is a great phone by iONiUM · · Score: 1

      As an owner of a Q10 (though I use my S3 almost always), I agree. The phone is great. I just dislike the OS (compared to Android), and I hate that there's no apps (yes I'm sideloading, but I don't consider those "apps").

    2. Re:Too bad - Q10 is a great phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think, by definition, those are "apps". Just like an app written in Java, running on the JVM, is an "app".

  10. Re:There's a lesson in here for every tech company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "RIM ended up known as "lawsuits in motion" for their dependence on the government-granted monopolies we call intellectual 'property.'"

    This line is marked by such great stupidity that I felt compelled to reply. Blackberry was entirely hosed by a classic patent troll, NTP. You say they depended on IP rather than innovated, but can you point out how they specifically utilized IP more so than the supposed innovators. Last time I checked, Apple and Google also have patents, and happily enforce them around the world. "Please, help yourself to a fuckin' [] book, cause you're talking like a fuckin' retard." (Southpark).

  11. Blackberry OS by Terry+Pearson · · Score: 2, Informative

    Blackberry could come back as a semi successful phone manufacturer if they adopted an open platform for their hardware (i.e. Android) and build premium business apps that would be included with their phones. There simply is not enough room for another OS when so many have IOS and Android.

    1. Re:Blackberry OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's a particularly retarded comment.

      The BB10 phones *ALREADY* run Android apps. As long as some significant effort is spent to catch the Android runtime up to the latest stable variant, the app issue will be resolved. Here the BB10 OS would act as a type of hypervisor, that other OS's including Android and iOS struggling to get workable.

      A fully functional Android VM inside a highly secure and performant OS (be it BB10 or something else), is pretty compelling.

    2. Re:Blackberry OS by narcc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That argument's been around for years. It hasn't improved with age. Becoming a me-too player in a crowded market while simultaneously cutting off the few remaining advantages you have over the competition does not sound like a recipe for success!

      Less obvious, but still important, Android kinda sucks. The development tools suck, multitasking sucks, the UI is a mess, etc. The only reason that it's the dominant player is that it's cheap and far more open than other offerings.

      It was pretty obvious that Android will win in the short term -- but it will fall, and fall quickly, to any OS that's at least as open and cheap with better dev tools and UI.

    3. Re:Blackberry OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The development tools suck, multitasking sucks, the UI is a mess, etc."

      You've never seen QNX from the Unisys days.

    4. Re:Blackberry OS by w_dragon · · Score: 1

      Android is winning for the exact reasons that DOS won 20 years ago. It's cheap, easy to develop and distribute apps for (no mandatory app store), and runs on any hardware. It's not the best of the 4 smartphone os's by any measure, but the only actual competition is Windows Phone, which has a long way to go get before it makes real headway.

    5. Re:Blackberry OS by iONiUM · · Score: 1

      I can't really agree. I've developed for BBOS pre 10, and it was a *nightmare*. BBOS10 is a bit better, but it's not great. While nothing really compares to VS and .NET (IMO), Eclipse isn't that bad to do Android development, and I had no issues with the SDK or API. The tablet emulator, however, is so slow on Windows that it's impossible to use.

      As for the UI, I actually think Google has done a really nice job (now, in JB) on it. They enforce a lot of standards, and in general it looks "better" (YMMV) than iOS7. The biggest thing though is customization. I can customize my font, wallpaper, launcher, icons (and I have done all of those) to make it look good.

    6. Re:Blackberry OS by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Blackberry could come back as a semi successful phone manufacturer if they adopted an open platform for their hardware (i.e. Android)

      the android market has fierce competition with many players. there's no way they could jump in now and compete with the likes of samsung, asus, motorola, acer, HTC, sony, LG, and all of the chinese knockoffs. it's a game of razor thin profit margins. BB is (was) better off trying to do something different (for the same reason, i thought nokia's decision to go WP was a good idea. of course hindsight is 20/20).

      that, and there was a day when an enterprise phone would have sold, but no longer. everyone is BYOD, and people aren't going to pay (probably a premium) for an "enterprise-ready" phone. they will buy the latest, cheapest consumer device.

    7. Re:Blackberry OS by notanalien_justgreen · · Score: 2

      I make no statement about which OS is the best, but to say Android's main competitor is the Windows Phone is just silly. Hate Apple as much as you like, but Android is Apple's main competitor - Windows and BB are distant also-rans at the point. Hopefully that changes as competition is good for us.

    8. Re:Blackberry OS by acoustix · · Score: 1

      multitasking sucks

      You've got to be kidding me. BlackBerry has been doing true multitasking longer than any other major mobile OS. BB's multitasking puts iOS to shame (which has basically no multitasking) and is only rivaled by Android's multitasking which came out *after* BB.

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    9. Re:Blackberry OS by narcc · · Score: 1

      I agree that BB does multitasking significantly better than the competition. I disagree that it is rivaled by Android's approach to multitasking. I don't think it even comes close.

    10. Re:Blackberry OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um, evidently not.

    11. Re:Blackberry OS by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1

      for the same reason, i thought nokia's decision to go WP was a good idea. of course hindsight is 20/20).

      Depends what you mean by "Nokia." The smartphone division has a better chance of surviving in some form than Blackberry does; the sales may be similar in number to Blackberry's but the sales growth especially for the cheaper models like the 520 is healthy and positive.

      So long as Microsoft don't follow their usual form and crush the new acquisition through mismanagement or plain stupidity.

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    12. Re:Blackberry OS by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Windows Phone? Really?

      If you took the market share of Windows Phone, and added the market share for BlackBerry, it still wouldn't be 1/5 of Apple's market share in the same measurement period, which is still less than Android in the same period.

      Yeah, Windows Phone is Android's "only actual competition."

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    13. Re:Blackberry OS by Xest · · Score: 1

      "That argument's been around for years. It hasn't improved with age. Becoming a me-too player in a crowded market while simultaneously cutting off the few remaining advantages you have over the competition does not sound like a recipe for success!"

      Right, and the "me too" argument has been around just as long. The difference is that Android is still growing marketshare and Samsung has proven what a joke the "me too" argument is by differentiating to the point of becoming the largest cellphone manufacturer around and possibly even the most profitable.

      But worse, that argument looks even more stupid due to the fact that Blackberry's latest OS is very much a "me too" clone of Android, but because it's not Android it doesn't have any of the benefits like all the support Android has due to it's popularity. Blackberry's answer to not becoming a "me too" Android player was to become a "me too" Android player in the worst possible way? By simply copying Android badly instead of just using Android? Great lot of good that's done them.

      The fact is "me too" makes sense if you've got the ability to differentiate yourself with hardware and additional software - Blackberry does. It's hardware is (well, was) very different to what else is on the market and lots of people like it still. They could also trivially integrate Android with their business tools like BIS and have that as a differentiator too.

      Nokia should've gone to Android using it's excellent hardware as a differentiator, it didn't and now it's lost it's marketshare, lost all it's talent, been ripped up and sold off to Microsoft. Choosing WP8 instead of Android to "differentiate" itself was probably the worst business decision made this entire century in the tech industry due to the difference in relevance and success of Nokia before and after. The decline in value and worth of Nokia is almost unparalleled to any other tech company. Blackberry, if it has any sense, will avoid making the same mistake, because even if the "me too" argument had any validity it'd still be better to be a "me too" in the Android market than a joke and a failure in general like Nokia became and Blackberry is on it's path to becoming.

    14. Re:Blackberry OS by narcc · · Score: 1

      Samsung has proven what a joke the "me too" argument is

      Tell that to HTC, Motorola, LG, ...

      But worse, that argument looks even more stupid due to the fact that Blackberry's latest OS is very much a "me too" clone of Android

      Wow, not even a little bit. The two are dramatically different in just about every respect.

      The decline in value and worth of Nokia is almost unparalleled to any other tech company.

      Ignoring the "unparalleled" hyperbole, for the moment, do you honestly think they'd have done better had Elop gone with Android? Nokia had made a lot of strategic mistakes long before Microsoft came calling. Do you think Elop's infamous restructuring was "just because"? It was, at the time, a necessary effort to save the ailing company.

      To suggest that had they just switched to Android they'd be fine is laughably naive.

    15. Re:Blackberry OS by Xest · · Score: 1

      "Tell that to HTC, Motorola, LG, ..."

      But they're not differentiating on hardware like Samsung did and that's exactly the point.

      That's like saying Windows Phone 8 didn't differentiate because it's doing shit. Obviously it's very fucking different to Android and very much differentiates but differentiating to the extreme isn't a guarantee of success either. Samsung get it just right by providing quality hardware that people want. That's all the differentiation you need and it's a thing Nokia and Blackberry could do because their hardware is already decent quality and different enough, they just need an OS to go with it that people want.

      If differentiating via OS is the key as people like you seem to think it is then why are Blackberry, Nokia, and the Firefox phones all failing? Why are the only guys with increasing market share the ones making Android devices? Differentiating via OS doesn't work, that's not opinion, it's cold hard fact demonstrated by the sales statistics showing the only people growing marketshare are the ones who go Android.

      "Wow, not even a little bit. The two are dramatically different in just about every respect."

      This simply tells me you haven't even seen either Blackberry's latest OS or Android since version 4. Blackberry have even gone as far to copy common icons such as the 3 dots for menus and so forth. Many other UI elements are exact copies of Android.

      Sure it's very different under the hood but that's not what I'm talking about here because that's not what users see, I'm talking about the fact the UI is a poor clone of vanilla Android 4 with a few ideas stolen from iOS too.

      "Ignoring the "unparalleled" hyperbole, for the moment, do you honestly think they'd have done better had Elop gone with Android?"

      It's not hyperbole, how many other tech companies with a stable bottom line have managed to lose quite the reputation and marketshare Nokia has over the last decade? Yes it would have gone better if they'd gone Android, in fact, there were millions of ex-Nokia fans like me just waiting to buy a Nokia if they had gone with a decent OS rather than something no one gives a shit about like WP8. I still have fond memories of my old Nokia phones and I'd have loved nothing more than the quality of Nokia devices with an OS like Android and I am one of many millions in this regard. If you're from the US it's possible you don't get this because your cellphone market was utterly backwards before the iPhone but most of Europe, Africa, and Asia had some kind of Nokia device and they lost all of that by going WP8, they wouldn't have if they'd gone Android, or possibly even a renewed focus on MeeGo. Symbian was just too rusty, and no one wanted WP.

      "Do you think Elop's infamous restructuring was "just because"? It was, at the time, a necessary effort to save the ailing company."

      No it was absolutely necesssary. The problem is that Elop wasn't the person to do it and a focus on WP8 wasn't the way to go. Both these things were done to make Nokia an easy cheap takeover for Microsoft, Android was the easiest path for it to stay a strong independent company, just like Samsung.

    16. Re:Blackberry OS by narcc · · Score: 1

      Differentiating via OS doesn't work, that's not opinion

      Tell that to Apple...

      This simply tells me you haven't even seen either Blackberry's latest OS or Android since version 4.

      My first BB was a 7290, my current phone is a Z10. (While I'm a long-time user, I'm no die-hard, I'll happily give up my BB if something better comes along.) My wife and a few of my friends are Android fans and I've done some Android development. I'd like to think that I have a reasonable, if admittedly limited, familiarity with Android.

      Blackberry have even gone as far to copy common icons such as the 3 dots for menus and so forth. Many other UI elements are exact copies of Android.

      You're not very familiar with BlackBerry are you? From their gesture suite to their approach to multitasking, BB10 is about as close to Android as Android is to Windows 3.1. Given your list of similarities, you might as well claim that my car is just like a bicycle because the wheels on both are round. Or, for a better analogy, that Ubuntu Linux, Windows, and MacOS are all identical because the close icon is a little 'X' along with a host of other similar icons 'copied' from Windows 95.

      They're rather dramatically different. I honestly don't see how you can claim that they're similar at all.

      Sure it's very different under the hood but that's not what I'm talking about here because that's not what users see, I'm talking about the fact the UI is a poor clone of vanilla Android 4 with a few ideas stolen from iOS too.

      You couldn't possibly be more wrong. If they stole from anyone, it would be Palm. I've see many, and even made my own, comparisons to WebOS as far back as PlayBook OS. You'd be the first I've seen suggest that BB10 is anything like Android. Probably because BB10 is absolutely nothing like Android.

      Have you even used PBOS or BB10?

      The problem is that Elop wasn't the person to do it and a focus on WP8 wasn't the way to go. Both these things were done to make Nokia an easy cheap takeover for Microsoft

      Wait, so you're saying that Nokia purposefully tanked itself by hiring Elop and switching to WP8 so that Microsoft could cheaply and easily take them over? That doesn't make any sense.

      Android was the easiest path for it to stay a strong independent company, just like Samsung.

      See my earlier post. The only company that benefited from Android was Samsung, and there's absolutely no reason to believe that it was the OS that made them successful.

      Android isn't that great, and it's one of the worst mobile platforms for developers -- even BlackBerry has them beat there. (I know the meme, but a lot has changed over the past few years.)

      Android is on top because it's inexpensive and open. As I said before, they will fall very quickly the instant an equally inexpensive and open platform shows up that has a better UI and/or is easier to developers.

      If differentiating via OS is the key as people like you seem to think it is then why are Blackberry, Nokia, and the Firefox phones all failing?

      BlackBerry is having trouble because of the 'they're dying' meme, which is only true now because everyone believed it when it wasn't true. The hardware is solid, as is the OS and UI. Those all got high-praise from even their worse detractors (like BGR). Their weak app market and the unfounded belief that they could go under at any moment were their biggest problems.

      Nokia was, and still is, horribly mismanaged. Do you actually think switching to Android would have magically saved them? It sure hasn't helped Samsung's competitors!

      The Firefox phone didn't fail because of the OS, it failed because it was pitifully outdated at "launch" and sold (exclusively?) through eBay. Then again, it may be too early to say that it failed. It's difficult to say that it's eve

  12. Re:There's a lesson in here for every tech company by Terry+Pearson · · Score: 1

    You are right on. Tech is about innovation, not litigation.

    The moral is simple, run like hell, don't look back because something might be gaining on you, and above all, don't stop to hire mercenaries to fight for you and then relax while a bunch of hired guns save your village with Elmer Bernstein's music in the background.

    P.S. Nice "moral". If I had mod points, I would be scoring you as 'funny'.

  13. Blackberry won't disappear completely by VoiceOfSanity · · Score: 5, Informative

    At the company I work for, we've tested iPhones, Androids and other smartphone variations, but stay on the Blackberry for now. The main reason? Security. No smartphone can touch the level of security that a Blackberry possesses, especially for companies in which the security of data is essential. The iPhone initially was allowed, but when folks found out that they were locked down and that they had to use only the software the company mandated for security reasons, the iPhones were returned and Blackberry devices issued instead.

    Part of the complaints came because users can't understand that these are COMPANY devices, not personal devices. And the company has a stake in maintaining the security of the device and the data that resides on it. But people wanted to download whatever apps they wanted, a major security threat, or access whatever network they wanted (again, a security threat).

    BYOD may be nice for small companies, but not major ones. Especially if the major companies want to stay major companies, device security and data security will remain essential... which is why Blackberry devices will still be around for a while.

    Personally? I have a work-provided Blackberry. My personal device is a cellphone, and will remain so as long as it can.

    1. Re:Blackberry won't disappear completely by Y-Crate · · Score: 1

      BYOD is a nice idea, but even from an employee's perspective, it doesn't make much sense.

      Do you really want IT reading / archiving all non-work related emails and texts on your phone? No, you don't. Even if they're the most benign messages ever.

      I get that the company may take a peek at my computer screen at work, or MITM my gChats or quick "Do you want to meet for lunch?" emails I send out on company time on company machines, but I don't want them downloading the entirety of my private mail account, backing it up and perusing it.

    2. Re:Blackberry won't disappear completely by raindog21 · · Score: 1

      BYOD device platforms don't work that way... they are typically sandboxed solutions housed in an app (like Good Technology) or solutions which use the native email clients on the device via a separate device management and settings profile that handles things like SSL certs, enforcing password rules, setting up email settings and allowing remote wipe of the corporate data. There is no interception of 3rd party app data or personal traffic (e.g. sms, email to other accounts, etc.). The one thing that is true and unique about Blackberry's platform is that they support many more device management features than iOS or Android. You can really 'lock down' a Blackberry with an ultra-paranoid device policy (preventing things like app download or even restricting usage of the built-in 'core' apps deemed unnecessary by the enterprise). BYOD device platforms only allow corporate administrators a small subset of these features.

    3. Re:Blackberry won't disappear completely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      doesn't bb allow goverments access to communication through them explicitly. that is less secure than normal.

    4. Re:Blackberry won't disappear completely by w_dragon · · Score: 1

      No different than an ISP, in fact in some countries BB falls under ISP regulations when it comes to data retention and discovery policies. The difference is the encryption between A BB and BES, where the key is generally only passed through an internal company network on generation, which should greatly reduce the risk of an MITM attack on the public key. Of course all of this assumes there are no intentional backdoors and that the security algorithm doesn't have any weaknesses, but in theory so long as that initial public key communication has to be across a secure network then the communication from the device from that point on should be very hard to crack.

    5. Re:Blackberry won't disappear completely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wow you guys really won't give up the KoolAid. There were hundreds of you spouting the same nonsense years ago, and there are much fewer of you now.

      Your "Secure" phones are going to mean fuck-all when BB goes belly up in a few months and is sold. Why? Because you won't be able to get any more of them. You wont get support on the shitpile that is BES. Your "Secure" phone infrastructure will be so secure that nobody is going to get anything done with it.

      Security is a process. It's not a phone, or a phone maker, a brand, or a network. The real truth of security is that it's not actually about securing anything. It's about knowing with absolute certainty what the risks are and knowing with absolute certainty what your assets are doing end-to end. BB is about to have a metric truckload of uncertainty dropped in to it from orbit. The company is dying and it's owners are putting on lipstick and plastic pumps and getting ready to whore BB out to the lowest bidder.

      Your BB infrastructure is a fucking liability, and you're already behind if you don't have a plan to replace it tomorrow.

    6. Re:Blackberry won't disappear completely by sootman · · Score: 0

      This isn't like typewriter repair, where as long as there's one guy in the country who can still do it, you can get your typewriter fixed. There needs to be enough companies willing to pay for BB products and services to keep the company afloat. You might have noticed a sharp downward trend in BB's cash flow in recent years. For every company that thinks they "can't live without" BlackBerry, there are a literally a hundred others saying "yeah, we'll make do without." And that number of "we'll make do"s goes up every year.

      > The iPhone initially was allowed, but when folks
      > found out that they were locked down and that
      > they had to use only the software the company
      > mandated for security reasons, the iPhones were
      > returned and Blackberry devices issued instead.

      Ah, so you see, there are other options. And that's what you'll go back to once BB is done circling the drain. Since does I.T. worry about "user happiness" when there's "security" at stake? Here's a phone, it does email, it's all you can do, now go piss off.

      Besides, I'm sure Android will copy BB's dual work/personal mode thing soon enough. Apple? Don't count on it. They're doing just fine without, thankyouverymuch.

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    7. Re:Blackberry won't disappear completely by farble1670 · · Score: 2

      Do you really want IT reading / archiving all non-work related emails and texts on your phone? No, you don't. Even if they're the most benign messages ever.

      you watch too many movies. that's not possible on any modern OS without getting in and modifying the OS itself. you can't, by installing an application, gain unmitigated access to arbitrary resources on the device. i'm not saying it's not theoretically possible with some incredibly sophisticated software exploiting some yet undiscovered earth-shattering bugs in the OS, but if your company has that sort of resources that they can bring to bear against you, and they have a *reason* to do so, then you have bigger problems.

    8. Re:Blackberry won't disappear completely by dj245 · · Score: 2

      Part of the complaints came because users can't understand that these are COMPANY devices, not personal devices. And the company has a stake in maintaining the security of the device and the data that resides on it. But people wanted to download whatever apps they wanted, a major security threat, or access whatever network they wanted (again, a security threat). BYOD may be nice for small companies, but not major ones. Especially if the major companies want to stay major companies, device security and data security will remain essential... which is why Blackberry devices will still be around for a while.

      Statements like these seem oblivious to the reasons WHY you issue someone a Company phone. You give someone a company phone because 1. You want to be able to reach them at all times or 2. You want them to be working at all times. In either case, you want them to be in possession of the phone at nearly all times. There has always been a carrot involved to make sure that happens. The employee can use the phone for personal reasons. If I can't derive some personal utility from carrying the company phone around, it is going to stay at home more often than not. Locking down the phone completely removes the carrot- I can't even have Facebook on my company phone so I leave it behind more often than not.

      Blackberry's predicted collapse is spurring a lot of big companies to pursue other options. My company is a very conservative company of about 120,000 people and they are experimenting with BYOD in the USA. It has already been rolled out 100% in Europe since the market there is easier for BYOD to implement (every phone uses the same frequencies and every phone has a SIM card). If a popular phone such as the IPhone or the Galaxy started coming with 2 SIM slots (such phones do exist already) then the program would probably be implemented fully. Wiping the user's data off the phone is the only real hiccup right now.

      Blackberry is basically cooked unless they have something really good they can roll out in the next quarter. Based on their past performance of "this product is revolutionary!!" and then unveiling a dud, betting on them is a fool's game.

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    9. Re:Blackberry won't disappear completely by VoiceOfSanity · · Score: 1

      And it's statements like this that show why the end user is oblivious as to the purpose of the phone, and who owns it. If you're given a company phone, then yes, the company is wanting to reach you pretty much whenever. But it is a COMPANY phone,not a personal phone, and no, you don't have the right to use it for your personal reasons. The same is true for your company-issued computer, you do not have the right to install whatever software you want on it or to use it to surf Facebook and/or Twitter, even if you're doing nothing during working hours. The purpose of the hardware, smartphone and computer, is to do company business with. If you want to do Facebook or Twitter or play games, do that on your personal device.

      As for wiping data off the phone, that's another plus for the Blackberry, as all I have to do is call one number in the company and state that the phone was lost or stolen, and within 30 minutes it'll be a brick.

    10. Re:Blackberry won't disappear completely by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      You have no idea how MDM works on Android and iOS. Stop posting about this subject until you educate yourself.

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    11. Re:Blackberry won't disappear completely by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      BYOD may be nice for small companies, but not major ones. Especially if the major companies want to stay major companies, device security and data security will remain essential... which is why Blackberry devices will still be around for a while.

      So, as long as major companies aren't run by short-sighted cost-cutters Blackberry will do just fine?

      Good luck with that business plan. My Fortune-500 employer went to BYOD ages ago, and it isn't likely to change that policy anytime soon. I think a few employees still have Blackberries, somewhere. Many employees simply don't check their emails unless they're at their desk, since they choose not to buy devices supported by the BYOD policy.

  14. Is it me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or there is a lot of hate for BlackBerry in the media? The z10 is a superb phone, is not flashy or 'the next big thing' but is reliable and comfortable to use, a real time OS is a blessing in a portable device (that is supposed to seamlessly ring and present the phone app while I play angrybirds and listen music), multitasking is real and robust, interface is elegant and becomes second nature within days and permissions for apps are granular (this thing alone is a deal breaker for me)

    I like options, there are some great android phones but android is to buggy, insecure and bloated with crapware from carriers, manufacturers and google for my taste, and rooting is a hassle and makes it even more insecure (why do screen capture apps require root privileges?), I get why some people love their nexus and galaxies but they are not for me. I just don't like apple's interface design philosophy of 'do less but do it right' works for granny but not for me, sure the iphone is a very good looking phone (although is getting boring) but it has a lot of little annoying design decisions that make me turn away.

    I hope windows phone and blackberry survive because I'd hate to live in world where the only choices I have just don't cut it for me.

    1. Re:Is it me? by Octorian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is a lot of hate for BlackBerry in the media, the tech blogger world, and the financial analyst world. While not all of it may be unfounded, most of it is quite excessive. If some piece of news has even a sliver of negativity, and is about BlackBerry, it will be spun as the worst thing ever for which the company should be condemned to the pits of hell. If the same news were about any other company, it might be little more than a shrugged off footnote.

      Another thing you notice among a lot of this hate, is complete ignorance of BlackBerry 10 and everything the company has done over the course of the past two years. What far too many people simply do not mentally acknowledge, is that BlackBerry 10 is a completely and fundamentally different platform from the old BlackBerry OS. On a technical level, the only thing it has in common is the brand name. You often see people remembering a bad experience with some old BlackBerry OS phone, and using that to draw an invalid conclusion about what the company is currently producing.

    2. Re:Is it me? by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

      With the BB 10 and its new personal mode, can your IT department cripple any aspect of the personal mode? If so then the new OS is just as crappy as the old OS. The OS is not the problem. It was that people were given "Smart" phones (and BB phones have long been quite smart) that have been lobotomized. So you have super senior managers who control billion dollar budgets not allowed to go to facebook because some IT person says NO. Well guess what those senior managers will go out and buy their own phone and leave their BB in their desk and just hand out their personal phone number; or swap in the SIM card. So how can a company expect to sell phones when executives everywhere felt that the phone was a personal insult.

      There is a great story where some BB exec was at a fortune 50 company and saw all these top execs getting a free BB and just not using it. But going out and buying their own $700 phone. This exec apparently went back to RIM and told the top top people there and they said BS. This was when the RIM share price was near its peak. They didn't understand that if people were tossing a free phone into their desk that their company was in big trouble.

      So if BB wants to survive they have to bite the bullet and pull the plug on IT departments being able to cripple the phones. The IT people will scream and wail but they aren't the end users. The IT people will make all kinds of empty threats but it is those top execs who get together and pick a new Phone vendor.

    3. Re:Is it me? by Octorian · · Score: 1

      And this pattern is the problem...

      You raise the question of whether something on the "new platform" is done the same way as on the "old platform"
      You then assert that this is the case, enabling a whole rant about how this is horrible, and therefore the company that made these products shall be destroyed in the most gruesome way possible.

      At no point in this are you actually showing evidence of actually knowing how the "new platform" does anything. Rather, you're jumping to whatever conclusions enable maximum negative ranting.

    4. Re:Is it me? by inking · · Score: 1

      You seem knowledgeable on the subject. Could you point me to some article that discusses specific what advantages BB10 has over the latest Android variants from the end user's perspective? I would be interested in giving it a shot, but as it stands, I am so satisfied with Android--in particular with the fact that I can run ROMs of the latest versions of the OS on a three-year-old phone--that I am somewhat weary of giving the competition a shot. It's not a rhetorical question. I would genuinely like to know.

    5. Re:Is it me? by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

      It was a rhetorical question. I know the answer. The answer is not good. It shows that they haven't learned a thing. The OS could be 8 times faster 5 times easier to program, and be twice as easy to use but still be a complete dud because they haven't fixed the fundamentals. I didn't even go into their huge quality control issues.

    6. Re:Is it me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that IT has complete control over the phone is BB's main selling point.

      The company phone is the company's device and end to end Protection of the Company data is why IT prefers these devices and those controls.

      You may cry and whine that your FB access is locked, but if you don't like it, you go and get a personal phone to do your personal stuff. No corporate email to unapproved devices, wifi locked down with cert based auth, device encryption, remote wipe etc, these are the things that matter to IT. I could care less if an end user whines about not being able to check ESPN.

      The new BB 10 has a BYOD component where any device (ios/android/BB) can be managed by the BB server with a separate 'corporate workspace' setup by IT with your work applications and access. Personal side is still personal. Work side is encrypted and controlled by IT. So you get the best of both.

    7. Re:Is it me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If what you said actually mattered, BB/RIM wouldn't be dying.

  15. Nortel, Sun, Word Perfect, Digital, etc by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    Companies like Nortel, Sun, Word Perfect, Digital, etc have all done the multi thousand person cut with promises of trimming the fat and getting back into fighting form. But when a company has become this bloated it is because the MBAs took over the company years before. MBAs hate R&D and progress. They love to rework the old over and over, giving it new names and calling it the X initiative. So when they cut the "fat" they don't start with themselves they start with R&D and other things that are the only chances of the company surviving the experience. They are shocked when cutting 10s of millions off the payroll doesn't produce the results they are looking for; so in true MBA form they try again, and again. So what you see are these massive layoffs of 1000s at a time. If they company didn't need them then why did they hire them in the first place? Either these people were useless and the people who hired them or created those departments should be sacked first, or the people being fired are useful and thus stupid to lay off. Personally I would say to fire whomever picked QNX as the basis of the new OS. Then I would fire the people who came up with the idea of a touchscreen only BB, then I would fire whomever came up with the idea of 500 basically identical models, then I would fire whomever designed the BB App Store, then I would fire the person who came up with the BB Desktop system, but first I would fire everyone with an MBA. Fire all the MBAs and the company would be in the black in 30 days (maybe less).

    1. Re:Nortel, Sun, Word Perfect, Digital, etc by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I personally can't really believe how many people these companies have working for them. Last Time I heard about the layoffs, it was 3000 people they were letting go of. How do they even find work for these people to do? according to wikipedia, they currenly have around 12,700 employees. They need to trim some fat. That is seriously too many employees for the out put of the company. You could probably do the same amount of stuff with 1000 people if they just decided what they were going to do, and stayed on task.

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    2. Re:Nortel, Sun, Word Perfect, Digital, etc by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

      I read the same thing just as Netscape (add that to my list) collapsed. They were laying off 5000 at a go. But from what I could tell it was around 5 core guys still doing the bulk of the development. I suspect there is a Nobel in economics if you can figure out why so many companies become so flabby. Another good story was WebVan going busto. The people who went into the auction were blown away by the waste. Stacks and stacks of high end Sun servers still in their boxes. Top of the line chairs, desktops, desks, etc I read a different story about a game company start-up that blew the bulk of their money on an office renovation. Another where the CEO gave a quitting speech instead of a keynote speech, describing how it had eaten up a huge amount of management's time picking between two shades of blue for the banner of their website.

      Where I think the primary failure comes from is people can't judge how important their job is. So you have the core people doing their core things (let's say building laser guided toothbrushes) but you have marketing, accounting, QA, server admins, building security, human resources, and so on. All those people feel that without them the company would collapse; this is technically true in that if accounting stopped issuing paycheques the company would grind to a halt pretty fast. But if you have a core group of toothbrush engineers the whole laser guided thing might require a kick ass marketing department. Well those guys are going to think they are kings of the world if they break all sales records. But what if the marketing guy is always telling really ranchy jokes along with the head of engineering? The HR people don't care that much about sales, they and legal will care more about harassment lawsuits; this is due to the simple fact that they will wear it if they don't do anything. But if you looked at the big picture you would simply say, "The cost of our lawsuits will be far smaller than losing these two." But that is not what they will do. They will push to fire these two douches. These same people will come up with "Codes of conduct" that are so ridiculous that good engineers and sales people will never come. Then the QA department will double in size every time their is a bug. But the worst is when the CEO (former engineer) violates the "Code of conduct" and is forced out by the board to be replaced by the head of legal services. This guy is completely risk adverse and is 100% happy to pull their product off all store shelves every time their is an incident. Then the company outsources the whole "useless" engineering department resulting in such faulty products that result in a massive liability bankrupting the company. Then the former CEO, head of marketing, and engineering team buy up the few good patents from the liquidators to use in their hot new laser guided nose hair trimming company.

  16. No feedback loop by XB-70 · · Score: 1
    For over 12 years, I have supported RIM/BlackBerry. However, over that time, my frustration has grown and grown. Products like the 9700 were offered with all sorts of feature like GPS navigation. Sadly, they barely functioned to the point where they were unusable in the real world.

    Over time, I also discovered that calendar items were being automatically deleted as they aged - this, without any warning or prior information. Looking up past business meetings which had disappeared was pretty frightening.

    The BlackBerry World App Store has never worked properly. Rather than a one-click install, most apps crash during install while leaving partial files in the system.

    The 9700 routinely locks up due to lack of space - but there is never a warning or option to move software and data onto the MicroSD card (for example).

    All of the above is extremely frustrating to the point where I don't want to continue (let alone upgrade) with the brand but I just love the keyboard.

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  17. What the hell is wrong with you people!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I came to this thread specifically for the "rim job" jokes, and only one commenter out of 72 came through?!

    Truly a sad day in slashdot history.

  18. Buildings? by master_kaos · · Score: 1

    I wonder what is going to happen to the 28 RIM buildings in waterloo region. Hopefully traffic will be better during rush hour. Still plenty of big tech companies in the region like opentext, google, desire2learn, com dev international, christie digital, toyota, and a few others.